From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Thu Dec 5 21:00:16 1996 Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 18:40:40 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: this is a test Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a test this is a test _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Thu Dec 5 21:17:08 1996 Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 18:57:33 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: ANNOUNCEMENT : VHP GCNet Online Now! Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Namaskar, I am pleased to announce that now there is a network exculsively for the VHP Governing Council Members and chapter coordinators. In order to communicate messages to all the GC members all you need to do is send a message to : vhpgc-l@hindunet.org And the message will be forwarded to all! May I suggest that we use this tool to communicate programs taking place around the country and our views on organizational matters only? If some people would like to circulate general news items, then we can set up (utilize) a separate list rather than using this forum, since all the subscribers may not be interested in non-organizational matters. Happy Networking . . . regards, ajay _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Thu Dec 5 21:20:11 1996 Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 19:00:35 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Mandir : Hindu Temples Reference Center Now Online! Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Namaskar, Mandir : Hindu Temples Reference Center is a complete web site with about 100 separate documents. It is co-sponsored by GHEN (HSC) and VHP of America. Mandir contains listing of Hindu temples including Jain, Sikh, and Buddhist temples. Temples in several countries are listed with drections, maps and telephone numbers where available. A section is devoted to links to all the known Hindu Temples. Other sections include Temple Art, Temple Histories, Temple Construction and Mandir Manthan, a forum for temple related discussion. A section devoted to Resources for Temples has also been created. The URL for Mandir : Hindu Temples Reference Center is : http://www.vhp.org/vhp/temple_info/ or http://www.hindunet.org/temple_info/ We hope that the community finds these new resources to be valuable. Global Hindu Electronic Networks Home Page : The Hindu Universe http://www.hindunet.org is a comprehensive site on Hindu dharma. GHEN is a project of Hindu Students Council (http://www.hindunet.org/hsc/) Vishwa Hindu Parishad of America is the premier organization of Hindus in USA. Its web site is : http://www.vhp.org/vhp/ For additional information please write to webmaster@hindunet.org regards, ajay shah webmaster@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From rvarma@stallion.jsums.edu Thu Dec 5 23:52:55 1996 Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 22:54:44 -0600 (CST) From: Rajiv Varma To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: this is a test In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit test Ok regards, Rajiv On Thu, 5 Dec 1996, Ajay Shah wrote: > This is a test > > this is a test > > > _____________________________ > For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From SSOMANI@wpsmtp.siumed.edu Sun Dec 8 11:07:10 1996 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Sun, 08 Dec 1996 10:04:15 -0600 From: Satu Somani To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Mandir : Hindu Temples Reference Center Now Online! -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Ajay: Many thanks for your two e-mails. I am pleased to know about vhpgc-net. I am also pleased to have Hindu temples reference center addresses online. With best wishes, satu m. somani. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From SSOMANI@wpsmtp.siumed.edu Sun Dec 8 11:08:11 1996 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Sun, 08 Dec 1996 10:05:14 -0600 From: Satu Somani To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: this is a test -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit test is ok. satu m. somani _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ssodhani@lynx.dac.neu.edu Mon Dec 9 16:19:43 1996 From: Seema Sodhani Message-Id: <199612092119.QAA19808@lynx.dac.neu.edu> Subject: adress To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 16:19:22 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: from "Ajay Shah" at Dec 5, 96 07:00:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org please note that as of 12-9-96 my new email address is mjmehta@aol.com please re-direct all mail thank you mahesh mehta _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Pallod@aol.com Thu Dec 12 08:42:17 1996 From: Pallod@aol.com Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 08:42:03 -0500 Message-ID: <961212084202_369309061@emout11.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Mandir : Hindu Temples Reference Center Now Online! X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Ajay good job. May be you want to send this news to all news papers. How about sending to Hinduism Today. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Thu Dec 12 13:29:31 1996 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 11:10:08 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Mandir : Hindu Temples Reference Center Now Online! In-Reply-To: <961212084202_369309061@emout11.mail.aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mihir will be making a press release for HSC. I think an independent VHP press rlease shold go as well... Sharmaji, Gaurangbhai, what do you think? Should I write one up? On Thu, 12 Dec 1996 Pallod@aol.com wrote: > Ajay good job. > > May be you want to send this news to all news papers. How about sending > to Hinduism Today. > > > > _____________________________ > For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Thu Dec 12 15:57:28 1996 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 13:38:06 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Cc: hsc@umdnj.edu Subject: Vinoba's Commentary on Gita Online Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am pleased to announce an excellent addition to our electronically available resouces. Thanks to the efforts of one of our readers Vijay Nathani we have now been able to put the entire copy of the book by Acharya Vinoba Bhave's Commentary on Bhagwad Gita (in all 18 chapters) on-line. This book joins our other scriptues on "Hindu Scriptures Reference Center" URL : http://www.hindunet.org/scriptures/ You will also find entire copy of Ramayana, Mahabharata, Bhagwad Gira, Hanuman Chalisa, Bhaj Govindam and Vande Mataram (which I consider to be a modern day scripture). We have obtained several other cscriptures (Upanishads, strotas, shrutis etc.), so please keep your eyes open for further announcement. For any comment regarding Hindu Scriptures Reference Center please write to me at webmaster@hindunet.org. HSC Home page is http://www.hindunet.org/hsc/ VHP Home Page is : http://www.vhp.org/vhp/ And the Hindu Universe web page is: http://www.hindunet.org regards, ajay _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From nks@anuxv.mv.lucent.com Thu Dec 12 17:09:13 1996 From: nandsharma@lucent.com (Nand K Sharma) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 96 17:09:11 EST Message-Id: <9612122209.AA29115@anuxv.mv.lucent.com> Original-From: nks@anuxv.mv.lucent.com (Nand K Sharma) To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Cc: VICHARAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Mandir : Hindu Temples Reference Center Now Online! X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Ajay: Since I have not seen the contents of the proposed press release or the Hindu Temple Reference Center, it is hard to comment but I still like the idea of a press release as long as it does nto include the email or mail addresses of all VHP-A GC members ( I am not suggesting that tis was implied in your email). So, please go ahead and send the press release re. Hindu temples on behalf of the VHP-A, please send me, Gaurangji and Yashpalji an email copy of it ( may be all EB members a copy). Thanks for leading this effort. Nand Kishor. Nand Kishore Sharma _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From MJMEHTA@aol.com Fri Dec 13 05:55:01 1996 From: MJMEHTA@aol.com Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 05:54:31 -0500 Message-ID: <961213055430_1652729218@emout01.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Mandir : Hindu Temples Reference Center Now Online! X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Ajay: It is a very good idea. We need this information all the time. See you in LA Regards to Lalita Mahesh mehta _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From MJMEHTA@aol.com Fri Dec 13 05:57:22 1996 From: MJMEHTA@aol.com Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 05:56:52 -0500 Message-ID: <961213055650_1355169283@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Mandir : Hindu Temples Reference Center Now Online! X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Dear Sharmaji: It will be a very useful information on net. How do I access this information. Need some education. Regards Mahesh Mehta _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From YLakra@aol.com Wed Jan 1 16:59:21 1997 From: YLakra@aol.com Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 03:39:58 -0500 Message-ID: <970101033957_1411432446@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Ietter of the president X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 To all the members of the 'Governing council of Vishwa Hindu Parishad of America. This statement is being released to all of you to announce the appointment of Dr. Abhay Asthana as the Joint General Secretary of the VHP of America. Dr. Asthana replaces Shri Ajay Shah. Ajay Shah will help Shri Nand Kishore Sharma, V.P public relations. Ajay will concentrate in developing electronic networks on the internet. Dr. Asthana will work with Sh. Gaurang Vaishnav, general secretary of VHP of America. I welcome Dr. Asthana to the executive body of VHP and wish Ajay great success in conquering the waves of the internet. 2. All of you are aware of the periodical Hinduism Today. This news paper is now being published in a magazine form and in my opinion doing a wonderful job in spreading the message and philosophy of Hinduism and is also countering some of the false propaganda being spread against our great religion. The newspaper, among other objectives, has mentioned Hindu unity as its objective. I think we in VHP can work together with Hinduism Today in creating Hindu agenda, Hindu forum and a platform for furthering the Hindu cause in this country. With this idea in mind , I contacted Sh. Guru Shiva Subramanyam Swami, the publisher of Hinduism Today. He, through one of his disciples, showed a keen interest in working with us. They have expressed desire to use our resources in gathering and publishing news and articles etc. gathered or written by us. For example, they will like to know the people amongst us who have interest and aptitude in journalism and photography etc. So that they could the services of these people to cover certain events affecting the Hindus in this country. They are specially keen to know and write about the experience of our members working in the Hindu Students Council. I think the possibilities of areas where we could collaborate in the cause of Hinduism are limitless. I'll like to hear from you with your views and suggestions. Yash Lakra _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Pallod@aol.com Thu Jan 2 01:57:10 1997 From: Pallod@aol.com Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 12:37:53 -0500 Message-ID: <970101123752_910406662@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Ietter of the president X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Lakraji, Namashkar, wish you happy new year. I am very pleased to read your news release. I am pleased to hear the new oppointment of Dr. Asthana. Hinduism Today is widely read maaganie among hindus. I am glad that you are in tough with Hinduism Today. Working together with Hinduism Today we can strenghthen Hindu unity. If you need any help from me please let me know. I kept in touch with them. We are getting ready for Jan 12, Makar Shankkranthri festival. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Fri Jan 3 17:38:43 1997 Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 16:04:25 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Press Release: Community Resource of Hindu Temples & Scriptures Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The following VHP/HSC combined press release was sent about 10 days ago. I have seen it in at least two news papers. This is for GC's information --------------------------------- Press Release Mandir : Hindu Temples Reference Center Now Online! and Vinoba Bhave's Commentary on the Bhagavad Gita Mandir: Hindu Temples Reference Center is a complete web site with about 100 separate documents. It is co-sponsored by Global Hindu Electronics Network (GHEN), a joint project of Hindu Students Council (HSC) and VHP of America. Mandir contains listing of Hindu temples including Jain, Sikh, and Buddhist temples. Temples in several countries are listed with directions, maps and telephone numbers where available. A section is devoted to links to all the known Hindu Temples. Other sections include Temple Art, Temple Histories, Temple Construction and Mandir Manthan, a forum for temple related discussion. A section devoted to Resources for Temples has also been created. Mandir : Hindu Temples Reference Center may be accessed on the World Wide Web at: http://www.vhp.org/vhp/temple_info/ or http://www.hindunet.org/temple_info/ Also, the entire copy of Acharya Vinoba Bhave's Commentary on Bhagwad Gita (all 18 chapters) is now on-line. This book joins our other scriptures on "Hindu Scriptures Reference Center" http://www.hindunet.org/scriptures/ You will also find entire copy of Ramayana, Mahabharata, Bhagwad Gita, Hanuman Chalisa, Bhaj Govindam and Vande Mataram. We have obtained several other scriptures (Upanishads, strotas, shrutis etc.), so please keep your eyes open for further announcement. The Global Hindu Electronic Networks Home Page (The Hindu Universe) is located at: http://www.hindunet.org This is a comprehensive site on Hindu dharma. GHEN is a project of Hindu Students Council (http://www.hindunet.org/hsc/). HSC is the international forum providing opportunities to learn about Hindu heritage and culture, to serve the community through SEVA, and to raise awareness about issues affecting the community. Vishwa Hindu Parishad of America is the premier organization of Hindus in USA. Its web site is: http://www.vhp.org/vhp/ For additional information please write to webmaster@hindunet.org For any comment regarding Hindu Scriptures Reference Center please write to webmaster@hindunet.org We hope that the community finds these new resources to be valuable. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Tue Jan 7 16:35:33 1997 Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 12:41:03 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: ANNOUNCEMENT : Hindu Calendar Online Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Global Hindu Electronic Network is pleased to announce a new webpage "Hindu Calendar" on its web site, The Hindu Universe. URL for this pages is : http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_calendar/ This page contains comprehensive information about Hindu calendar, including links to "Today in Hindu Calendar", "This Month in Hindu Calendar", festival dates, including dates of importance to Sikhs and Jains, and Hindus from countries such as Nepal and Bali. Explanatory articles about Hindu era, moon days, months, and yuga are also available on this site. We would like to invite you to visit this site and bookmark it for your daily reference. Global Hindu Electronic Network is a project of Hindu Students Council (HSC). The Hindu Universe (http://www.hindunet.org) is a comprehensive web site on Hindu dharma with several thousand documents, containing broad ranging material on Hindu dharma. For more information about The Hindu Universe, please write to : webmaster@hindunet.org regards, ajay shah wembaster@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Tue Jan 7 18:45:54 1997 Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 16:25:45 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Potential Call For Action : Disneyland Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Disneyland and the Statue of Lord Ganesha Background : 1. There are statues of Lord Ganesha, as decorative pieces in Disneyland California (Temple of Doom Ride) 2. Recently, Disneyland has decided to remove the scdene where pirates chase women after purchasing them (in the Pirates of the Carribean ride) after some patrons complained that this ride was offensive to women. Objection : 1. No other religious symbols are depicted in Disneyland 2. The Hindu diety of Lord Ganesh is considered to be very auspecious by 900 million Hindus. 3. The depiction of this diety in "Temple iof Doom" is an insult to all the Hindus. Action : We are appreciateive of the sensitivity shown by Disneyland regarding Pirates of Carribean ride. We protest the depiction of sacred Hindu symbols in indiscriminate fashion. Disney should accord the Hindu dieties proper respect or remove the dieties from the "Temple of Doom" Why, one may ask, has Disney isolated Hindu dharma for the insult. ----------------------------- My Note : Please respond as to HR Net and VHP/HSC and HSS should take this issue up with Disney and press. Once I get opinions from people on this net, then I would like to form a small committee representing HRNet, HSC, VHP and HSS, and then chalk out a plan of action. The minimum plan for action would be a posting on all the newsgroup, followed by a press release, and a special section on GHEN website. --------------------------------- Here is a Hinduism Today Article -------------------------------- Here is a a backgroud article : Ganesha Graces Disneyland Is the Elephant God getting due respect? By Archana Dongre, Los Angeles Spun out of the supremely creative imagination of Walt Disney, Mickey Mouse is the central character of the fabled Disneyland. Although endowed with human-like qualities, he is still a mouse, the vehicle of Lord Ganesha since time immemorial. With this ironic coincidence, one might wonder, does the God of abundance and the abode of all artistic genius lurk somewhere in the sprawling 85-acre amusement park, casting his benevolent grace on the more than half-billion pilgrims of joy that have passed through the turnstiles of Disneyland since its doors opened in 1955? He is indeed there--thrice, in fact--as I discovered during a sweltering summer day's visit. But not all Hindus have been pleased with His less than dignified circumstances. I found Him first along the Jungle Cruise ride in the form of a giant, well-designed ten-foot grey stone statue, sitting royally since 1962 against a backdrop of green tropical forest. A few minutes into the ride, our guide erupted enthusiastically, "And now to your left you will see the Hindu deity of ..." The ride is replete with rustic, even barbaric themes, like cannibals dancing, a tribal selling human heads, a safari scene and sights of wild animals including hippos and a python. What is a refined Deity like Ganesha doing in such a place? Most Hindus I spoke with actually liked seeing Him there. It was a touch of their own culture to this masterminded, worldclass Mecca of entertainment. What about non-Hindu Americans? Their response was typically, "Oh, it's interesting," but nothing offered for or against it. More controversial is Ganesha's appearance in the breath-taking Indiana Jones ride, opened in 1995. The theme of the ride is essentially the story of a Hindu temple uncovered in the jungle by Western archaeologists, who also discover its secret of wealth and its curse. The entrance of the ride is a temple-like structure, not unlike Mahabalipuram, in South India, though old and crumbling. Snaking through the hour-long wait in line, I wound through the outside area where Hindu-looking Deities carved of stone (or cast in concrete) appear to have been removed from the temple and are being packed for shipping. Shipping where? One can conjecture they are enroute to museums or to those art dealers who pirate and sell fine sculptures from Hindu temples for hefty, selfish profits. Tall towers with Naga faces and the Naga theme are seen everywhere. Exiting the six-minute action ride, with its wild bumping and careening in a jeep-like vehicle, one is confronted with another statue of Lord Ganesha on a cart [photo above]. He is surrounded by ordinary paraphernalia of excavation and crates, treated like a piece of archeological merchandise. Views differed according to the emotional nature of the onlooker. To some people, the entire theme is the rape of a Hindu temple, as offensive as the original "Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom" movie upon which the ride is based, which grossly misrepresented the Hindu Goddess Kali, the Hindu culture, even the Hindu cuisine and eating habits. People I saw coming out of the ride were engrossed in what they saw inside or eager to go on to the next attraction. Most didn't even notice the third Ganesha statue situated outside. Hindus, however, rarely miss it. The general consensus of those I spoke with was, "It may not be offensive, but the West needs to be educated. Once they know the significance of our Deity, they will be more careful about using it in places like this." Others, such as Ravi Peruman of California, were incensed at the disrespectful treatment. Shekhar Ganapathy and Shobha Narayan, a young couple from Mumbai, were distressed by the overall temple piracy theme. "No comment," was all John McClintock, senior public relations officer for Disney, offered when questioned about Ganesha. He did say, however, that there are no other religious icons of any faith in the park; even the park's "Hunchback of Notre Dame" cathedral set is devoid of Christian symbols. Swami Atmarupananda, head of the Vedanta Society in San Diego, advised, "Hindus, especially those who are born into the religion, tend to have a let-go attitude in such situations. But if we do not stand up for the sacredness of our Deities, who will? If the connotation of where the Ganesha is situated goes against our beliefs and modes of worship, then we have to tell them about it. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From gulaniu@pacbell.net Wed Jan 8 00:27:11 1997 Message-ID: <32D28792.5C2B@pacbell.net> Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 09:27:46 -0800 From: UMA GULANI X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Potential Call For Action : Disneyland References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Ajay Shah wrote: > > Disneyland and the Statue of Lord Ganesha > > Background : > > 1. There are statues of Lord Ganesha, as decorative pieces in Disneyland > California (Temple of Doom Ride) > > 2. Recently, Disneyland has decided to remove the scdene where pirates > chase women after purchasing them (in the Pirates of the Carribean ride) > after some patrons complained that this ride was offensive to women. > > Objection : > > 1. No other religious symbols are depicted in Disneyland > > 2. The Hindu diety of Lord Ganesh is considered to be very auspecious by > 900 million Hindus. > > 3. The depiction of this diety in "Temple iof Doom" is an insult to all > the Hindus. > > Action : > > We are appreciateive of the sensitivity shown by Disneyland regarding > Pirates of Carribean ride. > > We protest the depiction of sacred Hindu symbols in indiscriminate > fashion. Disney should accord the Hindu dieties proper respect or remove > the dieties from the "Temple of Doom" > > Why, one may ask, has Disney isolated Hindu dharma for the insult. > > ----------------------------- > > My Note : Please respond as to HR Net and VHP/HSC and HSS should take this > issue up with Disney and press. > > Once I get opinions from people on this net, then I would like to form a > small committee representing HRNet, HSC, VHP and HSS, and then chalk out > a plan of action. > > The minimum plan for action would be a posting on all the newsgroup, > followed by a press release, and a special section on GHEN website. > > --------------------------------- > Here is a Hinduism Today Article > -------------------------------- > Here is a a backgroud article : Ganesha Graces Disneyland Is the Elephant > God getting due respect? By Archana Dongre, Los Angeles > > Spun out of the supremely creative imagination of Walt Disney, Mickey > Mouse is the central character of the fabled Disneyland. Although endowed > with human-like qualities, he is still a mouse, the vehicle of Lord > Ganesha since time immemorial. With this ironic coincidence, one might > wonder, does the God of abundance and the abode of all artistic genius > lurk somewhere in the sprawling 85-acre amusement park, casting his > benevolent grace on the more than half-billion pilgrims of joy that have > passed through the turnstiles of Disneyland since its doors opened in > 1955? He is indeed there--thrice, in fact--as I discovered during a > sweltering summer day's visit. But not all Hindus have been pleased with > His less than dignified circumstances. > > I found Him first along the Jungle Cruise ride in the form of a giant, > well-designed ten-foot grey stone statue, sitting royally since 1962 > against a backdrop of green tropical forest. A few minutes into the ride, > our guide erupted enthusiastically, "And now to your left you will see the > Hindu deity of ..." The ride is replete with rustic, even barbaric themes, > like cannibals dancing, a tribal selling human heads, a safari scene and > sights of wild animals including hippos and a python. > > What is a refined Deity like Ganesha doing in such a place? Most Hindus I > spoke with actually liked seeing Him there. It was a touch of their own > culture to this masterminded, worldclass Mecca of entertainment. What > about non-Hindu Americans? Their response was typically, "Oh, it's > interesting," but nothing offered for or against it. More controversial > is Ganesha's appearance in the breath-taking Indiana Jones ride, opened in > 1995. > > The theme of the ride is essentially the story of a Hindu temple > uncovered in the jungle by Western archaeologists, who also discover its > secret of wealth and its curse. The entrance of the ride is a temple-like > structure, not unlike Mahabalipuram, in South India, though old and > crumbling. Snaking through the hour-long wait in line, I wound through the > outside area where Hindu-looking Deities carved of stone (or cast in > concrete) appear to have been removed from the temple and are being packed > for shipping. > > Shipping where? One can conjecture they are enroute to > museums or to those art dealers who pirate and sell fine sculptures from > Hindu temples for hefty, selfish profits. Tall towers with Naga faces and > the Naga theme are seen everywhere. Exiting the six-minute action ride, > with its wild bumping and careening in a jeep-like vehicle, one is > confronted with another statue of Lord Ganesha on a cart [photo above]. He > is surrounded by ordinary paraphernalia of excavation and crates, treated > like a piece of archeological merchandise. Views differed according to > the emotional nature of the onlooker. > > To some people, the entire theme is the rape of a Hindu temple, as > offensive as the original "Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom" movie > upon which the ride is based, which grossly misrepresented the Hindu > Goddess Kali, the Hindu culture, even the Hindu cuisine and eating habits. > People I saw coming out of the ride were engrossed in what they saw inside > or eager to go on to the next attraction. Most didn't even notice the > third Ganesha statue situated outside. Hindus, however, rarely miss it. > > The general consensus of those I spoke with was, "It may not be offensive, > but the West needs to be educated. Once they know the significance of our > Deity, they will be more careful about using it in places like this." > Others, such as Ravi Peruman of California, were incensed at the > disrespectful treatment. Shekhar Ganapathy and Shobha Narayan, a young > couple from Mumbai, were distressed by the overall temple piracy theme. > "No comment," was all John McClintock, senior public relations officer for > Disney, offered when questioned about Ganesha. He did say, however, that > there are no other religious icons of any faith in the park; even the > park's "Hunchback of Notre Dame" cathedral set is devoid of Christian > symbols. > > Swami Atmarupananda, head of the Vedanta Society in San Diego, > advised, "Hindus, especially those who are born into the religion, tend to > have a let-go attitude in such situations. But if we do not stand up for > the sacredness of our Deities, who will? If the connotation of where the > Ganesha is situated goes against our beliefs and modes of worship, then we > have to tell them about it. > > Hello Ajay, I would strongly recommend to protest. The movie was sickkening enough. Now they come out with this. If we don't do anything about it how would they know that it is offensive to us. I would think they would have some kind of a research department before they decide to pick a theme like this. Uma Gulani _____________________________ > For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From VICHARAK@aol.com Wed Jan 8 03:48:00 1997 From: VICHARAK@aol.com Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 03:47:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970107234056_1392074867@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Potential Call For Action : Disneyland X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 01/07/1997 Dear Ajay: Namaste. thnak you for bringing this to everyone's attention. It is clear that we must act and act decisively to bud this tendency of denigrating our religious and cultural iconds either through sheer ignorance and stupidity or by maleceous design. I suggest that you talk with Nand Kishoreji, form what ever commitee is required to be formed, inform all ethnic as well as local americna newspapers and take up the matter with the Disneyland. Please keep all of us posted, and let us know, how individually we can help. Thank you. Brotherly yours, Gaurang _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From nks@anuxv.mv.lucent.com Wed Jan 8 09:51:45 1997 From: nandsharma@lucent.com (Nand K Sharma) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 97 09:51:53 EST Message-Id: <9701081451.AA22303@anuxv.mv.lucent.com> Original-From: nks@anuxv.mv.lucent.com (Nand K Sharma) To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Potential Call For Action : Disneyland X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Ajay: Within in last few days we have come across two issues that need our response One is the statue of Lord Ganesha portrayed in a disrespectful manner at Disneyland, as referred to in your mail here, and the other is the misleading and incorrect information about mutilation of women in India, a week or so ago. My view on the first issue is that we should write an official letter from VHP and HSC (perhaps tow separate letters) to the Disneyland public or customer relations office voicing our serious objections and giving a b brief background of how important and auspicious Lord Ganesha is to Hindus, and informing them that we are sending a press release on this issue to newspapers, and follow up with such a press release. If we can get temples and other Hindu organizations involved in either writing a joint or separate letters through the email network that would be even better, but we should not wait for them. We should have somebody draft the letter and the press release and circulate among few key people for quick comments before sending them. Please let me know how we can accomplish this. On the second issue, my thoughts are that we do not want to give a wide exposure to the letter with misleading info. written by the American woman (I do not recall her name) because I do not believe that her views are shared by most people. But we could respond by writing a letter to the editor of the newspaper where her original letter was published. I am interested in your views on how to handle this situation. I will try to call you this w weekend, please let me know your availability for a short phone conversation. Nand Kishore _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Shyam.R.Tiwari@scsnet.com Wed Jan 8 10:03:18 1997 Message-ID: From: "Tiwari, Shyam R." To: "'VHPALL'" Subject: Denigration of Sacred syllable Om Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 08:31:00 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namaste! If you have already received this mail, please ignore.. GAP a clothing retailer has a perfume known as "Om". The description of the perfume reads something like ....a sensual musk...I went to one of their Atlanta stores in a mall and asked the store manager about it. The store manager Eric Joule told me that the person who came out with this product had visited a monastery in Bharat. He was so much influenced by the fragrance of burning incences sticks and chanting of Om that he decided to name his new perfume "Om". When I told him what I felt like, he gave me an 800 number to call and talk to somone about this. I called the number and talked to a lady named Cristen Rbson. She told me that while deciding on this name the store has conducted many interviews with people and asked them about the use of the word Om and people were comfortable with that. But still I decided to tell her what was wrong with the use of "Om" and Faxed her what Om stands for. Here are all the numbers please call them or whatever way you think we can protest this kind of abuse of Om. GAP customer Service 1-800-3337-899 Fax (415)872-6594 Ceo: Mr. Millard Drexler (415)952-4400 Regards Shyam Tiwari _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From VICHARAK@aol.com Wed Jan 8 14:54:37 1997 From: VICHARAK@aol.com Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 14:54:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970108134520_1224503856@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Potential Call For Action : Three issues X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 01/08/1997 Dear brothers and sisters: With reference to above, we have three issues to contend with. (1) Letter to the Editor in a Michigan paper (I beleive) regarding mutilation of women in India. (2) Dinsey's audacity of putting Ganeshji's statue in Temple of Doom etc. (3) Mail from Shyam Tiwari (Atlanta chapter) regarding fragrance named OM (you would have received his email by now). Nand Kishoreji and Ajay should get going on these and ask for help from all of us as needed. I like Nand Kishoreji's idea of getting temples involved in Lord Ganesha issue; same can be done with the OM issue. this will also work positively in our efforts to build rapport with temples. Brotherly, Gaurang _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Wed Jan 8 14:55:21 1997 Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 12:35:24 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Denigration of Sacred syllable Om In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Namaskar, Thanks for the information. IMHO, we ought to concentrate our resources on one issue at a time. Since Disney issue is currently in all the mainstream media, we ought to pick it up first, and keep this issue in our mind. At the first opportune moment we should take this issue up. regards, ajay On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, Tiwari, Shyam R. wrote: > Namaste! > > If you have already received this mail, please ignore.. > GAP a clothing retailer has a perfume known as "Om". The description of > the perfume reads something like ....a sensual musk...I went to one of > their Atlanta stores in a mall and asked the store manager about it. The > store manager Eric Joule told me that the person who came out with this > product had visited a monastery in Bharat. He was so much influenced by > the fragrance of burning incences sticks and chanting of Om that he > decided to name his new perfume "Om". When I told him what I felt like, > he gave me an 800 number to call and talk to somone about this. I called > the number and talked to a lady named Cristen Rbson. She told me that > while deciding on this name the store has conducted many interviews with > people and asked them about the use of the word Om and people were > comfortable with that. But still I decided to tell her what was wrong > with the use of "Om" and Faxed her what Om stands for. > > Here are all the numbers please call them or whatever way you think we > can protest this kind of abuse of Om. > GAP customer Service 1-800-3337-899 > Fax (415)872-6594 > > Ceo: Mr. Millard Drexler > (415)952-4400 > > Regards > > Shyam Tiwari > > _____________________________ > For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From meghani@umich.edu Wed Jan 8 15:49:31 1997 Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 15:49:58 -0500 (EST) From: Mihir Meghani X-Sender: meghani@galaxian.rs.itd.umich.edu To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Denigration of Sacred syllable Om In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree with Ajay to focus on one issue at a time. HSC's Community Action Network (CAN) was created for this purpose. I think that separate pres releases from VHP and HSC should go out. Official letters from both should also go to Disneyland. Gaurang uncle, Anand Bemra, and Sharmaji have the press release list maintained by HSC. However, now we have an even more updated list which Sumir Meghani can provide (smeghani@envirolink.org). I will be out of town from tomorrow AM until Tues pm so I may be unable to actively be in this until then. However, if I need to be in any conversation on the phone then please leave a message at my house 810-788-9492 and I will get back to you. Sorry I cannot afford a beeper! Thanks, Love, Mihir _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From VICHARAK@aol.com Wed Jan 8 23:47:53 1997 From: VICHARAK@aol.com Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 23:47:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970108234342_746083832@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Denigration of Sacred syllable Om X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 1/8/1997 Dear Mihir: Thanks for the info. Nand Kishoreji and Ajay are on top of this. Brotherly, Gaurang _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From VICHARAK@aol.com Thu Jan 9 00:49:24 1997 From: VICHARAK@aol.com Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 00:49:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970108234127_171964531@emout18.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Denigration of Sacred syllable Om X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 yes, I agree in principle but just wondering if we could divide the issues between VHP, HSS and HSC? Gaurang _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From VICHARAK@aol.com Thu Jan 9 03:42:13 1997 From: VICHARAK@aol.com Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 03:42:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970109033941_578372935@emout13.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org, HHParikh@aol.com Subject: Welcome to Abhaya Asthana.. X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 61 Prospect Ave., Edison, NJ 08817 (908) 393-0183 vicharak@aol.com Communication #05 January 09, 1996 Dear Governing Council members and Chapter Presidents: Namaskaar from Gaurang. I hope this finds you in very good health and ready to go to achieve goals that we all have set for VHP of America. You have received a communication from Yash Palji regarding appointment of Dr. Abhaya Asthana as the Joint General Secretary. I would like to welcome Abhayaji in the Executive Board and assure you of dynamic leadership from him. Abhayaji has been active with VHP of America for more than 10 years and has been a member of the Governing Council for several years. He has only recently moved to Boston area from Central New Jersey. Abhayaji has been heavily involved with Youth Camps, Youth Conferences and Bal Vihars. He is a creative man with a few words and a lot of actions. His style of functioning is to take people along with him and take up the slack where and when needed. He is full of ideas and always ready to go the extra mile. Having worked with Abhayaji for a number of years, I have no doubt that this is an excellent choice for energizing the organization. It is obvious that Abhayaji will need your support and guidance. Communication is a two way street and while Abhayaji is determined to help rebuild the organization and explore the frontiers of communication as well as paying special attention to newly elected and coopted younger members of the Governing Council, his efforts will bear good results only with your cooperation. Please feel free to contact him at 617-876-2162 or at mhaa@mvjok.mv.lucent.com. Abhayaji will be looking after many of the areas of organizational work that I have been involved with, so you should not hesitate to call upon him in place of myself. You can also send him your suggestions to strengthen our base and further our aims and objectives. Abhayaji lives in Cambridge, MA with his wife Jaybahen who holds a Masters degree in Social Work and Counseling. Their daughter Shefali is in the second year at MIT and is an accomplished Bharat Natyam Dancer. Their sons Saurabh is in first year of college and Samir is in high school. Both are involved in Hindu cultural activities like playing Tabla and taking part in drama etc. Abhayaji is replacing Dr. Ajay Shah who has moved on to what started as an experiment in cyberspace and turned out to be more than a full time job of managing our presence on the Internet. Ajaybhai has been instrumental in almost single handedly creating what I would like to call an Internet empire of VHP of America and HSC. As you are aware, there is a temple site on the web, there is a Hindu Universe web site, web pages on VHP and Seva program, Support A child Project, Hindu Calendar etc. It was Ajaybhai's persistence that has made communication among the GC members by email possible. He was the one to clearly see the benefit of this tool and remained an ardent advocate of it until most of us understood and implemented what he was saying. It is a mammoth effort and I want to recognize Ajaybhai's timely contribution to VHP of America in this emerging field of communication. We all felt that Managing Internet site being a specialized area, Ajay Shah should be given all the facility to concentrate on it with undivided attention and thus came the idea of asking Abhayaji to assume the role of Jt. General Secretary. Ajay Shah also handed over reigns of Hindu Vishwa to Dr. Hemendra Acharya, another veteran on the Governing Council. Hemendrabhai is a studious thinker with excellent writing and editorial skills. He can be reached at 718-217-9145 during weekday evenings or at hacharya@faa.dot.gov. Ajaybhai will continue to guide Hemendrabhai and will write from time to time in his unique style. As of January 1, 1997, our office has moved from Berlin, CT to Houston, TX. In near future you will be notified of address, phone and fax numbers and email address of the same. Shree Virendra Parikh, National Treasurer will oversee the office management. This will allow Shree Ramesh Patel, Vice President, Seva to concentrate all his energies on promoting and expanding scope of Seva work (which includes Support A Child) here and in Bharat. You will thus see that we are moving forward; with competent members handling jobs of Internet coordination, Hindu Vishwa, Seva and Jt. General Secretaryship, office moving to Houston with a paid part-time help in an office building we should be able to impart dynamism to VHP of America. Brotherly Yours, Gaurang G. Vaishnav General Secretary p.s.: This is ent to most of the members by email. Please acknowledge the receipt. Only 18 members who do not have email are sent this by USPS. They are requested to get email services and let me know about it so that we can speed up the communication, reduce the expenses and save labor and time. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From VICHARAK@aol.com Thu Jan 9 03:43:03 1997 From: VICHARAK@aol.com Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 03:43:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970109033033_945173694@emout14.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org, HHParikh@aol.com Subject: Welcome to Abhaya Asthana X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 61 Prospect Ave., Edison, NJ 08817 (908) 393-0183 vicharak@aol.com Communication #05 January 09, 1997 Dear Governing Council members and Chapter Presidents: Namaskaar from Gaurang. I hope this finds you in very good health and ready to go to achieve goals that we all have set for VHP of America. You have received a communication from Yash Palji regarding appointment of Dr. Abhaya Asthana as the Joint General Secretary. I would like to welcome Abhayaji in the Executive Board and assure you of dynamic leadership from him. Abhayaji has been active with VHP of America for more than 10 years and has been a member of the Governing Council for several years. He has only recently moved to Boston area from Central New Jersey. Abhayaji has been heavily involved with Youth Camps, Youth Conferences and Bal Vihars. He is a creative man with a few words and a lot of actions. His style of functioning is to take people along with him and take up the slack where and when needed. He is full of ideas and always ready to go the extra mile. Having worked with Abhayaji for a number of years, I have no doubt that this is an excellent choice for energizing the organization. It is obvious that Abhayaji will need your support and guidance. Communication is a two way street and while Abhayaji is determined to help rebuild the organization and explore the frontiers of communication as well as paying special attention to newly elected and coopted younger members of the Governing Council, his efforts will bear good results only with your cooperation. Please feel free to contact him at 617-876-2162 or at mhaa@mvjok.mv.lucent.com. Abhayaji will be looking after many of the areas of organizational work that I have been involved with, so you should not hesitate to call upon him in place of myself. You can also send him your suggestions to strengthen our base and further our aims and objectives. Abhayaji lives in Cambridge, MA with his wife Jaybahen who holds a Masters degree in Social Work and Counseling. Their daughter Shefali is in the second year at MIT and is an accomplished Bharat Natyam Dancer. Their sons Saurabh is in first year of college and Samir is in high school. Both are involved in Hindu cultural activities like playing Tabla and taking part in drama etc. Abhayaji is replacing Dr. Ajay Shah who has moved on to what started as an experiment in cyberspace and turned out to be more than a full time job of managing our presence on the Internet. Ajaybhai has been instrumental in almost single handedly creating what I would like to call an Internet empire of VHP of America and HSC. As you are aware, there is a temple site on the web, there is a Hindu Universe web site, web pages on VHP and Seva program, Support A child Project, Hindu Calendar etc. It was Ajaybhai's persistence that has made communication among the GC members by email possible. He was the one to clearly see the benefit of this tool and remained an ardent advocate of it until most of us understood and implemented what he was saying. It is a mammoth effort and I want to recognize Ajaybhai's timely contribution to VHP of America in this emerging field of communication. We all felt that Managing Internet site being a specialized area, Ajay Shah should be given all the facility to concentrate on it with undivided attention and thus came the idea of asking Abhayaji to assume the role of Jt. General Secretary. Ajay Shah also handed over reigns of Hindu Vishwa to Dr. Hemendra Acharya, another veteran on the Governing Council. Hemendrabhai is a studious thinker with excellent writing and editorial skills. He can be reached at 718-217-9145 during weekday evenings or at hacharya@faa.dot.gov. Ajaybhai will continue to guide Hemendrabhai and will write from time to time in his unique style. As of January 1, 1997, our office has moved from Berlin, CT to Houston, TX. In near future you will be notified of address, phone and fax numbers and email address of the same. Shree Virendra Parikh, National Treasurer will oversee the office management. This will allow Shree Ramesh Patel, Vice President, Seva to concentrate all his energies on promoting and expanding scope of Seva work (which includes Support A Child) here and in Bharat. You will thus see that we are moving forward; with competent members handling jobs of Internet coordination, Hindu Vishwa, Seva and Jt. General Secretaryship, office moving to Houston with a paid part-time help in an office building we should be able to impart dynamism to VHP of America. Brotherly Yours, Gaurang G. Vaishnav General Secretary p.s.: This is ent to most of the members by email. Please acknowledge the receipt. Only 18 members who do not have email are sent this by USPS. They are requested to get email services and let me know about it so that we can speed up the communication, reduce the expenses and save labor and time. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From MJMEHTA@aol.com Thu Jan 9 06:19:40 1997 From: MJMEHTA@aol.com Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 06:19:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970109061947_1459383992@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org, mhaa@mvjok.mv.lucent.com Subject: Re: Welcome to Abhaya Asthana.. X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Dear Abhayaji: I am extremely hppy to know that you have accepted the responsibilty of Joint-General Secretary of VHPA. Since Ramesh patel was assigned the role of SEVA, we felt a need for replacement ver badly. Ajay has been strong on the inter-net front. Now with two proponents of internet, VHP net-working will be significantle improved. Are you in Boston on coming saturday, Jan 11. If yes, please call Madhu Jhaveri for a gathering at his home. Thanks & Regards Mahesh Mehta _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Shyam.R.Tiwari@scsnet.com Thu Jan 9 09:38:30 1997 Message-ID: From: "Tiwari, Shyam R." To: "'VHPALL'" Subject: Re: Potential Call For Action : Three issues Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 09:32:00 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namaste I think besides writing to the offending parties to voice our concern it would be a good idea to get community involved. We can submit petitions signed by people. This could have bigger impact. Regards Shyam Tiwari ---------- From: VICHARAK@aol.com To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Potential Call For Action : Three issues Date: Wednesday, January 08, 1997 2:54PM 01/08/1997 Dear brothers and sisters: With reference to above, we have three issues to contend with. (1) Letter to the Editor in a Michigan paper (I beleive) regarding mutilation of women in India. (2) Dinsey's audacity of putting Ganeshji's statue in Temple of Doom etc. (3) Mail from Shyam Tiwari (Atlanta chapter) regarding fragrance named OM (you would have received his email by now). Nand Kishoreji and Ajay should get going on these and ask for help from all of us as needed. I like Nand Kishoreji's idea of getting temples involved in Lord Ganesha issue; same can be done with the OM issue. this will also work positively in our efforts to build rapport with temples. Brotherly, Gaurang _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajadeja@BayNetworks.COM Thu Jan 9 09:50:51 1997 Posted-Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 06:50:19 -0800 (PST) From: ajadeja@BayNetworks.COM (Ajit Jadeja 1042c) Message-Id: <199701091450.JAA22049@pobox.engeast.BayNetworks.COM> Subject: Re: Welcome to Abhaya Asthana.. To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 09:50:19 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <970109033941_578372935@emout13.mail.aol.com> from "VICHARAK@aol.com" at Jan 9, 97 03:42:20 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 1/9/96 Gaurangji, Thanks for your e-mail. Now, that the office has moved from CT to Houston, can I still get a list of VHP members (in MA and NH) from Rameshbhai, or shall I contact Houston office. Ajit Jadeja > > 61 Prospect Ave., Edison, NJ 08817 (908) 393-0183 vicharak@aol.com > > Communication #05 > > January 09, 1996 > > Dear Governing Council members and Chapter Presidents: > > Namaskaar from Gaurang. I hope this finds you in very good health and ready > to go to achieve goals that we all have set for VHP of America. > > You have received a communication from Yash Palji regarding appointment of > Dr. Abhaya Asthana as the Joint General Secretary. I would like to welcome > Abhayaji in the Executive Board and assure you of dynamic leadership from > him. Abhayaji has been active with VHP of America for more than 10 years and > has been a member of the Governing Council for several years. He has only > recently moved to Boston area from Central New Jersey. Abhayaji has been > heavily involved with Youth Camps, Youth Conferences and Bal Vihars. He is a > creative man with a few words and a lot of actions. His style of functioning > is to take people along with him and take up the slack where and when needed. > He is full of ideas and always ready to go the extra mile. Having worked with > Abhayaji for a number of years, I have no doubt that this is an excellent > choice for energizing the organization. It is obvious that Abhayaji will need > your support and guidance. Communication is a two way street and while > Abhayaji is determined to help rebuild the organization and explore the > frontiers of communication as well as paying special attention to newly > elected and coopted younger members of the Governing Council, his efforts > will bear good results only with your cooperation. Please feel free to > contact him at 617-876-2162 or at mhaa@mvjok.mv.lucent.com. > Abhayaji will be looking after many of the areas of organizational work that > I have been involved with, so you should not hesitate to call upon him in > place of myself. You can also send him your suggestions to strengthen our > base and further our aims and objectives. > > Abhayaji lives in Cambridge, MA with his wife Jaybahen who holds a Masters > degree in Social Work and Counseling. Their daughter Shefali is in the second > year at MIT and is an accomplished Bharat Natyam Dancer. Their sons Saurabh > is in first year of college and Samir is in high school. Both are involved > in Hindu cultural activities like playing Tabla and taking part in drama etc. > > Abhayaji is replacing Dr. Ajay Shah who has moved on to what started as an > experiment in cyberspace and turned out to be more than a full time job of > managing our presence on the Internet. Ajaybhai has been instrumental in > almost single handedly creating what I would like to call an Internet empire > of VHP of America and HSC. As you are aware, there is a temple site on the > web, there is a Hindu Universe web site, web pages on VHP and Seva program, > Support A child Project, Hindu Calendar etc. It was Ajaybhai's persistence > that has made communication among the GC members by email possible. He was > the one to clearly see the benefit of this tool and remained an ardent > advocate of it until most of us understood and implemented what he was > saying. > > It is a mammoth effort and I want to recognize Ajaybhai's timely contribution > to VHP of America in this emerging field of communication. We all felt that > Managing Internet site being a specialized area, Ajay Shah should be given > all the facility to concentrate on it with undivided attention and thus came > the idea of asking Abhayaji to assume the role of Jt. General Secretary. > Ajay Shah also handed over reigns of Hindu Vishwa to Dr. Hemendra Acharya, > another veteran on the Governing Council. Hemendrabhai is a studious thinker > with excellent writing and editorial skills. He can be reached at > 718-217-9145 during weekday evenings or at hacharya@faa.dot.gov. Ajaybhai > will continue to guide Hemendrabhai and will write from time to time in his > unique style. > > As of January 1, 1997, our office has moved from Berlin, CT to Houston, TX. > In near future you will be notified of address, phone and fax numbers and > email address of the same. Shree Virendra Parikh, National Treasurer will > oversee the office management. This will allow Shree Ramesh Patel, Vice > President, Seva to concentrate all his energies on promoting and expanding > scope of Seva work (which includes Support A Child) here and in Bharat. > > You will thus see that we are moving forward; with competent members handling > jobs of Internet coordination, Hindu Vishwa, Seva and Jt. General > Secretaryship, office moving to Houston with a paid part-time help in an > office building we should be able to impart dynamism to VHP of America. > > Brotherly Yours, > > > > Gaurang G. Vaishnav > General Secretary > > p.s.: This is ent to most of the members by email. Please acknowledge the > receipt. Only 18 members who do not have email are sent this by USPS. They > are requested to get email services and let me know about it so that we can > speed up the communication, reduce the expenses and save labor and time. > > > > > _____________________________ > For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Hemendra.Acharya@faa.dot.gov Thu Jan 9 11:42:06 1997 X400-Received: by mta MTAdot1 in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; converted ( IA5-Text); Relayed; 09 Jan 1997 11:41:56 -0500 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; converted ( IA5-Text); Relayed; 09 Jan 1997 11:41:56 -0500 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 0024232D51FD4745-MTAdot1] Content-Identifier: 0024232D51FD4745 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Hemendra.Acharya@faa.dot.gov X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; Message-Id: <0024232D51FD4745*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=faa/s=Acharya/g=Hemendra/@MHS> Date: 09 Jan 1997 11:41:56 -0500 From: Hemendra Acharya To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org (Return requested), Shyam.R.Tiwari@scsnet.com (Return requested) Subject: Re[2]: Potential Call For Action : Three issues X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Namaste. I agree whole heartedly with the call for action on all issues and will be happy to help. Om is a sacred symbol not to be trivilized as a name for a sensual gratification product. Hemendra ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Potential Call For Action : Three issues Author: Shyam.R.Tiwari@scsnet.com at Internet Date: 1/9/97 9:42 AM Namaste I think besides writing to the offending parties to voice our concern it would be a good idea to get community involved. We can submit petitions signed by people. This could have bigger impact. Regards Shyam Tiwari ---------- From: VICHARAK@aol.com To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Potential Call For Action : Three issues Date: Wednesday, January 08, 1997 2:54PM 01/08/1997 Dear brothers and sisters: With reference to above, we have three issues to contend with. (1) Letter to the Editor in a Michigan paper (I beleive) regarding mutilation of women in India. (2) Dinsey's audacity of putting Ganeshji's statue in Temple of Doom etc. (3) Mail from Shyam Tiwari (Atlanta chapter) regarding fragrance named OM (you would have received his email by now). Nand Kishoreji and Ajay should get going on these and ask for help from all of us as needed. I like Nand Kishoreji's idea of getting temples involved in Lord Ganesha issue; same can be done with the OM issue. this will also work positively in our efforts to build rapport with temples. Brotherly, Gaurang _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Hemendra.Acharya@faa.dot.gov Thu Jan 9 11:55:19 1997 X400-Received: by mta MTAdot1 in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; converted ( IA5-Text); Relayed; 09 Jan 1997 11:54:56 -0500 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; converted ( IA5-Text); Relayed; 09 Jan 1997 11:54:56 -0500 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 0024232D522E07A3-MTAdot1] Content-Identifier: 0024232D522E07A3 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Hemendra.Acharya@faa.dot.gov X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; Message-Id: <0024232D522E07A3*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=faa/s=Acharya/g=Hemendra/@MHS> Date: 09 Jan 1997 11:54:56 -0500 From: Hemendra Acharya To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org (Return requested) (Receipt notification requested), VICHARAK@aol.com (Return requested) (Receipt notification requested) Return-Receipt-To: Hemendra Acharya Subject: Re[2]: Potential Call For Action : Three issues X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Namaste, I agree whole heartedly about making our views known effectively, but we should be vocal on all issues, not just one. We can utilize different members for different tasks. I suggest that if Nandkishoreji and Ajaybhai take the lead on it, then they should include, on the gcnet, name, address and phone number of all authorities approached on each of the three issues. That way, others can also individually write to the responsible authorities. It may be useful to contact a lawyer and explore the possibility of any legal redress. Finally, I suggest that the letter to the editor on mutilation of women be put on the net so that others can also write to the paper. There was a conference in November 1996 at Harvard University and the issue of violence against women was discussed. One of the participants presented data which showed that on the basis of population there is twice as much violence against women from their husbands or boyfriends in America than in India. This point can be emphasized in a letter of rebuttal to the Michigan paper. Hemendra Acharya ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Potential Call For Action : Three issues Author: VICHARAK@aol.com at Internet Date: 1/8/97 3:04 PM 01/08/1997 Dear brothers and sisters: With reference to above, we have three issues to contend with. (1) Letter to the Editor in a Michigan paper (I beleive) regarding mutilation of women in India. (2) Dinsey's audacity of putting Ganeshji's statue in Temple of Doom etc. (3) Mail from Shyam Tiwari (Atlanta chapter) regarding fragrance named OM (you would have received his email by now). Nand Kishoreji and Ajay should get going on these and ask for help from all of us as needed. I like Nand Kishoreji's idea of getting temples involved in Lord Ganesha issue; same can be done with the OM issue. this will also work positively in our efforts to build rapport with temples. Brotherly, Gaurang _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Thu Jan 9 13:30:49 1997 Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 11:10:25 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Denigration of Sacred syllable Om In-Reply-To: <970108234127_171964531@emout18.mail.aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IMHO, we ought to just take up one issue, take it to completion, with undivided focus. We will need all the resources we can get from all the organizations to do a creditable job on this issue. Especially considering that we do not really have an organizational frame work to take up an issue of this sort to begin with (none of the three organizations do). We will have to build up an organizational frame work, then develop a protocol to approach this and similar issues in future, figure out a way to get like-minded organizations together, along with some well known people, and then develop a means to publicize the issue. I would strongly suggest that VHP, HSC and HSS focus on just one issue at this time. Almost all successful activisms are result of single issue focus. Again, this is just my opinion, whatever everyone decides is fine with me. regards, ajay On Thu, 9 Jan 1997 VICHARAK@aol.com wrote: > yes, I agree in principle but just wondering if we could divide the issues > between VHP, HSS and HSC? > > Gaurang > > > > _____________________________ > For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From mhaa@mvjok.mv.lucent.com Thu Jan 9 17:51:56 1997 From: mhaa@mvjok.mv.lucent.com Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 17:51:51 -0500 Message-Id: <9701092251.AA03960@mvjok.mv.lucent.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Welcome to Abhaya Asthana.. Content-Type: text X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Namaste, Many thanks for all the kind words. With best wishes to all for Makar Sankranti coming up next week. Regards, Abhaya Asthana _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From VICHARAK@aol.com Fri Jan 10 15:22:03 1997 From: VICHARAK@aol.com Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 15:21:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970110152150_1174888430@emout20.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Welcome to Abhaya Asthana.. X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 1/10/1997 Dear Ajitbhai: Nice to hear from you. I am still to send you (officially) nomination form though, you are already elected! You can probably get the list form Rameshbhai if you call him over next two weeks. After that, it will be Houston. Houston may take soe time to set up, so your best bet is to call Rameshbhai as soon as possible. (860-828-4360). Regards to Rakshabahen. Brotherly, Gaurang _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From MJMEHTA@aol.com Sat Jan 11 16:51:42 1997 From: MJMEHTA@aol.com Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 16:51:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970111165148_1492652012@emout01.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Ietter of the president X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Dear Yaspalji: _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From MJMEHTA@aol.com Sat Jan 11 16:53:50 1997 From: MJMEHTA@aol.com Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 16:53:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970111165358_1857473267@emout03.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Ietter of the president X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Dear Yashpalji: As suggested by you we should explore all the avenues of working relationship with Hinduism Today. The new format and contents of Hinduism Today are better oriented to our objectives. Regards Mahesh Mehta _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From 75132.2437@CompuServe.COM Thu Jan 16 09:48:46 1997 Date: 16 Jan 97 09:47:01 EST From: "Harishkumar R. Patel" <75132.2437@CompuServe.COM> To: ALL WORKERS Subject: OFFICE MOVED TO HOUSTON Message-ID: <970116144700_75132.2437_FHI69-1@CompuServe.COM> X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 ATTENTION TO ALL WORKERS. VHP OFFICE MOVE TO HOUSTON, TX IS COMPLETE. EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY : 1) All Membership related matters to be addressed to the new office 2) SEND " ALL" CHECKS TO THE FOLLOWING " new office" - ADDRESS. VHP OF AMERICA " KESHAV SMRUTI " 4018 WESTHOLLOW PARKWAY HOUSTON, TX 77082 Ramesh R. Patel _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Thu Jan 16 15:27:57 1997 Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 13:06:50 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Some comments from the Temples Guestbook Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here is a sampling of comments on our Temples Page: regards, ajay ps : if your local temple is missing from our list, please get the information tome. ------------------------------------- When I read about this site in India Post of December 27, 1996, I could not wait to access the site. I cannot express my joy. This is the greatest New Year gift I have ever received. Keep it up HSC and VHP. You have done a wonderful job. Congratulations. The Hindu community will always be proud of You, and also thankful to you. V. N. Sharma, Dublin, OH -------------------------------------- Something The Hindus Should Be Proud Of. Keep It Up. Selian Seenivasagam Kuala Lumpur, sl Malaysia ------------ Enjoyed the site; it's certainly a wealth of information. I'm a journalist fo r an Alaska daily, and I'd be interested in learning about resources that are pe rtinent to life in Alaska for Hindus, for a story I am writing. Eric Burkett, Aanchorage, AK ------------------------------------- This is a really a great site for whole Hindu Community living in USA or anywhere in this Universe. I would like to thanks VHP and all o ther people who put their efforts to make these sites. Naresh Gupta, Canoga Park, CA -------------------------- Thank you for putting together this wonderful sight. It was both informative and pleasurable to acquaint myself with this interesting religion. Gabriel Washam, Tulsa, OK --------------------------------- Very much delighted to see the facts boldly displayed about temples and histo ry in general. We are also interpreting Geeta in terms of Science at Manashakti, REST New Way Asharm Lonavla. Thanks Best regards , G S Kelkar Research Director. ------------------------------------ _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From 75132.2437@CompuServe.COM Fri Jan 17 10:26:58 1997 Date: 17 Jan 97 10:26:04 EST From: "Harishkumar R. Patel" <75132.2437@CompuServe.COM> To: VHP-WORKERS Subject: OFFICE PROCEDURE CHANGE Message-ID: <970117152603_75132.2437_FHI56-1@CompuServe.COM> X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 To; ALL WORKERS /CHAPTER PRESIDENTS PLEASE NOTE VHP MEMBERSHIP OFFICE IDS NOW AT HOUSTON, TX VHP OF AMERICA, INC. KESHAV SMRUTI 4018 WESTHOLLW PARKWAY HOUSTON, TX 77082 EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY : (1) ALL CHECKS SHOULD BE SENT TO ABOVE OFFICE. (2) INQUIRIES FOR MEMBERSHIP SERVICESLLIKE MEMBERSHIP LISTS, ADDRESS LABELS ETC.. TO BE SENT ABOVE Please avoid delays by following above simple instructions For reasons of surity kindly acknowledge receipt of this e-mail. Sincerely; Ramesh R. Patel _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From RAMSEWAK@msn.com Fri Jan 17 21:24:35 1997 Date: Sat, 18 Jan 97 02:07:17 UT From: "PUSHPA GOSWAMI" Message-Id: To: vhpgc-l@HINDUNET.ORG Subject: RE: OFFICE PROCEDURE CHANGE X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Dear Harish Bhai received your massage regarding new address and procedures. Also ack. the receipt of you email. Thank you very much brotherly Ram Goswami ---------- From: Harishkumar R. Patel Sent: Friday, January 17, 1997 10:26 AM To: VHP-WORKERS Subject: OFFICE PROCEDURE CHANGE To; ALL WORKERS /CHAPTER PRESIDENTS PLEASE NOTE VHP MEMBERSHIP OFFICE IDS NOW AT HOUSTON, TX VHP OF AMERICA, INC. KESHAV SMRUTI 4018 WESTHOLLW PARKWAY HOUSTON, TX 77082 EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY : (1) ALL CHECKS SHOULD BE SENT TO ABOVE OFFICE. (2) INQUIRIES FOR MEMBERSHIP SERVICESLLIKE MEMBERSHIP LISTS, ADDRESS LABELS ETC.. TO BE SENT ABOVE Please avoid delays by following above simple instructions For reasons of surity kindly acknowledge receipt of this e-mail. Sincerely; Ramesh R. Patel _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From HHParikh@aol.com Sat Jan 18 08:43:13 1997 From: HHParikh@aol.com Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 08:43:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970118084316_441358682@emout20.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: OFFICE PROCEDURE CHANGE X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Received your mail regerding change of VHP office address. Best Regards, Hasit _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From RAMSEWAK@msn.com Sun Jan 19 09:26:37 1997 Date: Sun, 19 Jan 97 14:27:53 UT From: "PUSHPA GOSWAMI" Message-Id: To: vhpgc-l@HINDUNET.ORG Subject: RE: OFFICE PROCEDURE CHANGE X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 ---------- From: PUSHPA GOSWAMI Sent: Friday, January 17, 1997 9:07 PM To: vhpgc-l@HINDUNET.ORG Subject: RE: OFFICE PROCEDURE CHANGE Dear Harish Bhai received your massage regarding new address and procedures. Also ack. the receipt of you email. Thank you very much brotherly Ram Goswami ---------- From: Harishkumar R. Patel Sent: Friday, January 17, 1997 10:26 AM To: VHP-WORKERS Subject: OFFICE PROCEDURE CHANGE To; ALL WORKERS /CHAPTER PRESIDENTS PLEASE NOTE VHP MEMBERSHIP OFFICE IDS NOW AT HOUSTON, TX VHP OF AMERICA, INC. KESHAV SMRUTI 4018 WESTHOLLW PARKWAY HOUSTON, TX 77082 EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY : (1) ALL CHECKS SHOULD BE SENT TO ABOVE OFFICE. (2) INQUIRIES FOR MEMBERSHIP SERVICESLLIKE MEMBERSHIP LISTS, ADDRESS LABELS ETC.. TO BE SENT ABOVE Please avoid delays by following above simple instructions For reasons of surity kindly acknowledge receipt of this e-mail. Sincerely; Ramesh R. Patel _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From 75132.2437@CompuServe.COM Sun Jan 19 12:07:03 1997 Date: 19 Jan 97 11:57:45 EST From: "Harishkumar R. Patel" <75132.2437@CompuServe.COM> To: vhp workers Subject: NOTE: ADDRESS CORRECTION _ VHP NATIONAL OFFICE Message-ID: <970119165744_75132.2437_FHI32-1@CompuServe.COM> X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 VHP WORKERS Sorry for the double mailing - Please update the VHP NATIONAL OFFICE MAILING ADDRESS AS FOLLOWS: PLEASE NOTE: THE VHP NATIONAL OFFICE HAS MOVED TO HOUSTON , TEXAS: VHP OF AMERICA, INC. P.O. Box 441505 HOUSTON, TX 77244-1505 Phone: (281)-496-5676 Fax: ****We will follow up as soon as the fax number is available**** Please msend ALL VHP MEMBERSHIP related materials and inquiries to the address above. Send all membership checks directly to the membership office above. Send membership List requests such as: Membership Lists Current & Lapsed Members For your Region Address Labels for VHP related mailings for your state or region etc. PLEASE AVOID DELAYS BY SENDING ALL MEMBERSHIP CORRESPONDENCE AND MONEYS DIRECTLY TO ABOVE ADDRESS. Sincerely, RAMESH R. PATEL _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From HHParikh@aol.com Sun Jan 19 14:41:34 1997 From: HHParikh@aol.com Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 14:41:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970119144156_816267924@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: NOTE: ADDRESS CORRECTION _ VHP NATIONAL OFFICE X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Received your correction for vhp office. Best Regards, Hasit _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From gulaniu@pacbell.net Sun Jan 19 18:40:56 1997 Message-ID: <32E2B13E.20EA@pacbell.net> Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 15:41:50 -0800 From: Uma Gulaniu X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: NOTE: ADDRESS CORRECTION _ VHP NATIONAL OFFICE References: <970119165744_75132.2437_FHI32-1@CompuServe.COM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Harishkumar R. Patel wrote: > > VHP WORKERS > > Sorry for the double mailing - Please update the VHP NATIONAL OFFICE MAILING > ADDRESS AS FOLLOWS: > > PLEASE NOTE: THE VHP NATIONAL OFFICE HAS MOVED TO HOUSTON , TEXAS: > > VHP OF AMERICA, INC. > P.O. Box 441505 > HOUSTON, TX 77244-1505 > > Phone: (281)-496-5676 > > Fax: ****We will follow up as soon as the fax number is available**** > > Please msend ALL VHP MEMBERSHIP related materials and inquiries to the address > above. > Send all membership checks directly to the membership office above. > Send membership List requests such as: > > Membership Lists Current & Lapsed Members For your Region > Address Labels for VHP related mailings for your state or region etc. > > PLEASE AVOID DELAYS BY SENDING ALL MEMBERSHIP CORRESPONDENCE AND MONEYS DIRECTLY > TO ABOVE ADDRESS. > > Sincerely, > > RAMESH R. PATEL > > Noted new VHP address. Thanks Uma Gulani > For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Babu.Gandhi@trw.com Mon Jan 20 10:44:12 1997 Message-ID: Date: 20 Jan 1997 07:41:42 -0800 From: "Babu Gandhi" Subject: Re: NOTE: ADDRESS CORRECTIO To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Received VHP new address Regards Babu Gandhi ------------------------------ Date: 1/19/97 11:57 AM To: Gandhi, Babu From: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Received your correction for vhp office. Best Regards, Hasit _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by qmgate.trw.com with ADMIN;19 Jan 1997 11:50:53 -0800 Received: from www10.clever.net by mailhub1.trw.com; Sun, 19 Jan 97 11:43:52 -0800 Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.4/8.6.9) id OAA07114; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 14:41:36 -0500 (EST) From: HHParikh@aol.com Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 14:41:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970119144156_816267924@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: NOTE: ADDRESS CORRECTION _ VHP NATIONAL OFFICE X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Tue Jan 21 12:54:52 1997 Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 10:33:46 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: FYI : The Hindu Universe his NetGuide Gold Award Winner Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The following is from the NetGuide, one of the premier print and elecronic publication. This was sent as a mail to us : Thanks for the great job everyone in GHEN team is doing. regards, ajay ----------------------- Dear Web Site Developer: Congratulations! NetGuide has selected your site as a Gold Site -- one of the best on the Web. The Gold Award recognizes Web sites that meet our stringent criteria for overall excellence. To learn more about NetGuide, visit us at http://www.netguide.com. NetGuide has screened over 100,000 URLs and reviewed more than 50,000 sites and our Gold Award goes to only 15,000 of the Web's best sites. ------------------- _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From YLakra@aol.com Sat Jan 25 19:45:37 1997 From: YLakra@aol.com Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 19:45:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970125194521_539278072@emout17.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: OFFICE MOVED TO HOUSTON X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 congratulations on making the move. I wish you success at the new office. Yash Pal Lakra. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Fri Jan 31 18:28:18 1997 Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 16:07:14 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Request Help in Answering Questions Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Namaskar, With the website now in place, we get quite a few questions from people who want to know more about VHP or Hindu dharma. May I request 3 people from VHP-GC to volunteer to answer these questions? One person can answer all the VHP related questions (Seva, Support-A-Child, VHP-A etc), and second for Hindu dhrama related questions. The third person will be back-up and "all other questions" category, including responding to all the general messages that we get. Correspondence will be through e-mail only. We plan to promote Support-A-Child heavily in the coming months. So, earlier this mechanism is in place, the better. I will appreciate any help you can render in this task, regards, ajay _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From RAMSEWAK@msn.com Sat Feb 1 00:15:33 1997 Date: Sat, 1 Feb 97 04:08:43 UT From: "PUSHPA GOSWAMI" Message-Id: To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: RE: Request Help in Answering Questions X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Dear Ajay Bhai, I will be more than happy to work and help in any field you need help. Support A child is my pet project in Michigan and we always have Susheem Bhai for our fund raising function. The number of children being supported from Michigan speak for itself. Write back to me if you need help. Looking forward to hearing from you. Pushpa Goswami ---------- From: Ajay Shah Sent: Friday, January 31, 1997 6:07 PM To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Request Help in Answering Questions Namaskar, With the website now in place, we get quite a few questions from people who want to know more about VHP or Hindu dharma. May I request 3 people from VHP-GC to volunteer to answer these questions? One person can answer all the VHP related questions (Seva, Support-A-Child, VHP-A etc), and second for Hindu dhrama related questions. The third person will be back-up and "all other questions" category, including responding to all the general messages that we get. Correspondence will be through e-mail only. We plan to promote Support-A-Child heavily in the coming months. So, earlier this mechanism is in place, the better. I will appreciate any help you can render in this task, regards, ajay _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From VICHARAK@aol.com Sat Feb 1 19:16:01 1997 From: VICHARAK@aol.com Date: Sat, 1 Feb 1997 19:16:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970201191630_1626200652@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Hindu Vishwa April and July issues X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 February 01, 1997 Dear Sarvashree: Namaste. Hindu Vishwa issue of January, prepared by new Editor, Dr. Hemendra Acharya is out and you should be receiving it in next twotot three weeks. For the next issue, (dead line 2/20), Hemendrabhai would like to include 'Upcoming activities of chapters". Please send details of proposed activities, with name/phone # of contact person to him at hemendra.acharya@faa.dot.gov Your help will be greatly appreciated by Hemendrabhai. Also, for July issue, which will be a special 50th Independence issue, Hemendrabhai is seeking articles and appropriate material. Please contribute to this issue; also, if your chapter is planning to celebrate the Independence Day (and I am sure, you would be), let Hemendrabhai know of the details. Thanks a lot. Brotherly, Gaurang _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Babu.Gandhi@trw.com Mon Feb 3 19:48:20 1997 Message-ID: Date: 3 Feb 1997 15:17:16 -0800 From: "Babu Gandhi" Subject: Re: Request Help in Answeri To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Ajaybhai I will do my best for scriptural questions. Babubhai Gandhi ------------------------------ Date: 2/1/97 4:56 PM To: Gandhi, Babu From: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Dear Ajay Bhai, I will be more than happy to work and help in any field you need help. Support A child is my pet project in Michigan and we always have Susheem Bhai for our fund raising function. The number of children being supported from Michigan speak for itself. Write back to me if you need help. Looking forward to hearing from you. Pushpa Goswami ---------- From: Ajay Shah Sent: Friday, January 31, 1997 6:07 PM To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Request Help in Answering Questions Namaskar, With the website now in place, we get quite a few questions from people who want to know more about VHP or Hindu dharma. May I request 3 people from VHP-GC to volunteer to answer these questions? One person can answer all the VHP related questions (Seva, Support-A-Child, VHP-A etc), and second for Hindu dhrama related questions. The third person will be back-up and "all other questions" category, including responding to all the general messages that we get. Correspondence will be through e-mail only. We plan to promote Support-A-Child heavily in the coming months. So, earlier this mechanism is in place, the better. I will appreciate any help you can render in this task, regards, ajay _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by qmgate.trw.com with ADMIN;1 Feb 1997 16:42:40 -0800 Received: from www10.clever.net by mailhub1.trw.com; Fri, 31 Jan 97 21:15:08 -0800 Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id AAA16780; Sat, 1 Feb 1997 00:15:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 97 04:08:43 UT From: "PUSHPA GOSWAMI" Message-Id: To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: RE: Request Help in Answering Questions X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Hemendra.Acharya@faa.dot.gov Mon Feb 3 20:17:38 1997 X400-Received: by mta MTAdot2 in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; converted ( IA5-Text); Relayed; 03 Feb 1997 20:15:35 -0500 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; converted ( IA5-Text); Relayed; 03 Feb 1997 20:15:35 -0500 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 00EFF32F68DB7082-MTAdot2] Content-Identifier: 00EFF32F68DB7082 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Hemendra.Acharya@faa.dot.gov X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; Message-Id: <00EFF32F68DB7082*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=faa/s=Acharya/g=Hemendra/@MHS> Date: 03 Feb 1997 20:15:35 -0500 From: Hemendra Acharya To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org (Return requested), ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu (Return requested) Subject: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT : VHP GCNet Online Now! X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 TO All VHP-A GC Members and Chapter Presidents & Secretaries: Namaskar. The latest issue of Hindu Vishwa will be in your hands during next two weeks. As a new editor, I would like to get your opinion on the new issue and particularly on the Editor's Perspective. One of the objectives of Hindu Vishwa is to inform others of Chapter Activities. I therefore urge all of you to always send me your flyers or communicate some other way with me about your activities. This way other chapters will know what you are doing, and if we list the upcoming activities of all chapters, then a casual reader will be immediately impressed with all the work that VHP-A is doing. This is to our advantage, as it will help enhance our image. So please send me a writeup on upcoming events by Feb.20, May 20, Aug.20, and Nov. 20 of each year. Thanks. In the future issues of Hindu Vishwa, I am interested in including articles that either explain Hindu Philosophy, or Way of life or explain our religious and cultural traditions. I will therefore request each of you to write at least one article a year for Hindu Vishwa. If you are hesitent about writing, just scribble some notes, and I will help you with it. If you come across such articles, please pass them on to me. In every issue, I would like to include two or three such articles and so I need quite a few. August 15, 1997 marks 50 years of Indian Independence, and so I would like to devote the entire issue of August 1997 to this subject. Alternatively, one or two articles about Indian Independence Movement, and related subjects can be published in each issue of Hindu Vishwa during 1997-1998. I would therefore like your help on this project in two ways: (1) Please let me know about any VHP-A activity in your area celebrating 50 years of Independence, This will include a description of the program, cosponsors etc and Text of speeches, if possible. (2) If you come across a good article or can write an article on what Indian Independence means, and what is our vision for the 21st century, please send it to me. I am interested to know your impressions of this issue of Hindu Vishwa and your suggestions, and comments for imprevements. I have requested many things to you but I can publish a good issue of Hindu Vishwa only if I have access to good articles that fulfill VHP-A's goals. Thanks for all your help. Hemendra Acharya ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: ANNOUNCEMENT : VHP GCNet Online Now! Author: ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu at Internet Date: 12/5/96 9:30 PM Namaskar, I am pleased to announce that now there is a network exculsively for the VHP Governing Council Members and chapter coordinators. In order to communicate messages to all the GC members all you need to do is send a message to : vhpgc-l@hindunet.org And the message will be forwarded to all! May I suggest that we use this tool to communicate programs taking place around the country and our views on organizational matters only? If some people would like to circulate general news items, then we can set up (utilize) a separate list rather than using this forum, since all the subscribers may not be interested in non-organizational matters. Happy Networking . . . regards, ajay _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Shyam.R.Tiwari@scsnet.com Tue Feb 4 09:15:18 1997 Message-ID: From: "Tiwari, Shyam R." To: "'VHPALL'" Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 09:12:00 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namaste Here is an article from the Times of India dated Feb 4, 1997. Hindu fundamentalism in U.S. growing: NRI By Vidyadhar Date The Times of India News Service MUMBAI: ``Hindu fundamentalism has grown rapidly in North America in the last few years. Students are being organised on the basis of religion. However, some secularists are strongly opposing this trend,'' according to Vinod Mubayi, a physicist working for the U.S. department of nuclear energy. Mr Mubayi, who hails from Mumbai, is active in promoting inter-religious understanding and harmony among Indian communities in the U.S. Mr Mubayi said there were two Hindu student councils in the U.S. in 1989. Now there are 54. The fundamentalists take advantage of the cultural vacuum in which the second generation of Indians in the U.S. have grown. This generation has grown away from the Indian milieu. It is difficult to organise youngsters around a Maharashtra mandal or a Gujarati sabha which the older generation of Indians in the U.S. set up. So, the fundamentalists are exploiting religion. They begin by organising classes teaching the Gita. ``The fundamentalists find new ways of collecting money and send it to India. They sought huge discounts from the major telephone company AT & T on the ground that the Indians were giving a huge business to the company,'' Mr Mubayi said. When some of us threatened to cancel our subscriptions and the company found that the issue was becoming a problem for their image, they backed out of the deal,'' Mr Mumbayi said. The fund collection drive became known when two groups among the fundamentalists levelled charges of misappropriation against each other. Mr Mubayi interacted with activists in Mumbai on Saturday at a meeting organised by the Centre for Study of Society & Secularism. He said a few groups like NRIs for secularism and democracy and FOIL (forum of Indian leftists) were actively opposing fundamentalism. The first group issued a paid statement in Indian newspapers, signed by 500 persons, deploring the demolition of Babri masjid. Most of these progressive people interact through Internet.``We are trying to project an alternative to the fundamentalist campaign,'' Mr Mubayi said. Computer engineer R.P. Singh, who died of cancer a few years ago, was one of the major activists in the campaign for secularism. A foundation formed in his memory was now helping secular causes and persons in need of financial help in India. ``When Asghar Ali Engineer, noted scholar came to the U.S. a few years ago, I got many calls from secular NRIs and his meetings were held in 16 cities in 28 days,'' Mr Mubayi said. Half of the taxi drivers in some areas in the U.S. were from the Indian sub-continent, found working there unsafe and they helped each other irrespective of religion. The fundamentalists had been working in the U.S. since 1970. They were taking advantage of the popular trend of encouraging multiculturalism in the U.S., Mr Mubayi said. Mr Mubayi said among the Muslims from India living in the U.S. some were secular and some fundamentalists. An engineer from IIT, Powai, had started offering Namaz five times a day and had suddenly become quite withdrawn. Mr Engineer said Indian Muslim fundamentalists in the U.S., much less resourceful than the Hindus, sent money for setting up a chain of madarassas, religious schools, mainly in Assam. The money was raised mostly in Chicago and Los Angeles. Regards Shyam Tiwari _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Tue Feb 4 15:13:16 1997 Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 12:52:06 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: VHP/HSC In India Today Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit January 31 issue of India Today (North America Edition) has year in review article. They have mentioned, growing influence of VHP-A and HSC in USA. This is thesecond time in as many months that India Today has mentioned us. That combined with the LA Times coverage, and Times Of India coverage once again proves that we are now gradually transitioning from the pages of ethnic media to the mainstream media. regards, ajay ps : Well, now we just have to live up to their expections :-) _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Pallod@aol.com Tue Feb 4 19:32:48 1997 From: Pallod@aol.com Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 19:32:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970204192753_-1643647598@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT : VHP GCNet Online Now! X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Hemendrabhai Namashkar, Beth Kulkarni has written 2 page article about Houston chapter. We will e-mail in 10 days. Keep up the good work. Hinduism Today has good article aout our web page in March issue. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From VICHARAK@aol.com Fri Feb 14 00:25:59 1997 From: VICHARAK@aol.com Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 00:10:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970214001053_819632598@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Fwd: FWD>> Fw- Special Mess X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 2/12/1997 Dear GC mmebers: The attached is an important piece of information (courtesy: Jitendra Goel, President, Southern California chapter). Though it says February 13 as the deadline, please email your protest even if it is late. Brotherly, Gaurang --------------------- Forwarded message: From: Jitendra_Goel@qmail4.nba.TRW.COM (Jitendra Goel) To: gokula@aol.com (GOKUL Agarwalla), d.colonna@ieee.org (DOMINIC Colonna), priya.cratsley@fdc-tssg.com (PRIYA CRATSLEY), anurag.goel@att.com (Anurag Goel), ggoel@tcs.com (Gaurav Goel), kabir@cyberverse.com (Kabir Goyal), VGOYAL@aol.com (VIREN GOYAL), viren.goyal@usiny.mail.abb.com (Viren Goyal), gulaniu@pacbell.net (UMA GULANI), 103655.2733@compuserve.com (D.D. Khandelwal), sudesh.kumar@sandiegoca.ncr.com (sudesh kumar), vkumar@austin.ibm.com (Vandana Kumar), s.maas@ieee.org (Steve Maas), TejasMehta@aol.com (Tejas Mehta), harshpande@aol.com (HARSH PANDE), JShah.El_Segundo@xerox.com (Jawahar Shah), jyothi@primenet.com (Sherry), penumaka@isi.com (Srinivas), vicharak@aol.com (Gaurang Vaishnav), svishnu@mail.att.net (Sandeep Vishnu) Date: 97-02-12 19:54:13 EST Mail*Link(r) SMTP FWD>> Fw: Special Message - Possible Local... -------------------------------------- Date: 2/12/97 7:13 AM From: Steve Young FYI -------------------------------------- Date: 2/11/97 2:13 PM From: EAnderson@davd.com Please write a email letter to the address below. EA ______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ Subject: Fw: Special Message - Possible Local Telephone Interne Author: GSchmitz at Davidson-RAD Date: 2/11/97 1:36 PM ______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ >> >> >Important to all of us, we cannot let this happen: >> > >> >I am writing you this to inform you of a very important matter >> >currently under review by the FCC. Your local telephone company has >> >filed a proposal with the FCC to impose per minute charges for your >> >internet service. They contend that your usage has or will hinder the >> >operation of the telephone network. >> > >> >It is my belief that internet usage will diminish if users were >> >required to pay additional per minute charges. The FCC has created an >> >email box for your comments, responses must be received by February >> >13, 1997. Send your comments to isp@fcc.gov and tell them what you >> >think. >> > >> >Every phone company is in on this one, and they are trying to sneak >> >it in just under the wire for litiagation. Let everyone you know hear >> >this one. Get the e-mail address to everyone you can think of. >> >isp@fcc.gov >> > >> >Please forward this email to all your friends on the internet so all >> >our voices may be heard! >> >> >> =================================================== > ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by qmgate.trw.com with ADMIN;11 Feb 1997 14:01:15 -0800 Received: from artemis.davd.com by mailhub1.trw.com; Tue, 11 Feb 97 14:05:45 -0800 Received: from hermes.davd.com (hermes.davd.com [198.147.119.24]) by artemis.davd.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA22830; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 21:59:02 -0800 (PST) From: EAnderson@davd.com Received: from ccMail by hermes.davd.com (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 0000FDBB; Tue, 11 Feb 97 13:58:29 -0800 Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 13:47:30 -0800 Message-ID: <0000FDBB.1320@davd.com> Return-receipt-to: EAnderson@davd.com Subject: Fw: Special Message - Possible Local Telephone Interne To: 0007597417@mcimail.com, a9jackson@aol.com, amedalc@snds.com, amedbsh@snds.com, amiri@sfsu.edu, amwilliams@ccgate.hac.com, au@compwr.com, bak@fortek.com, blgilbert@fielding.edu, brigette.fornis@trw.com, bsexy@tamu.edu, carl.conliffe@trw.com, cdreynolds@ccgate.hac.com, cgriffin@phx.mcd.mot.com, charles@mamacass.sp.trw.com, chisomh@baxter.com, cjupiter@cccd.edu, clmorris22@aol.com, Cooper_Krystal/edu_sb-supt-schools_roy-c-hill_is@eee.org, countblood@aol.com, david.porter@anderson.ucla.edu, DAVIS.GREGORY@SMA1.MCCLELLAN.AF.MIL, dionm@uci.edu, dmccray@cccis.com, dray@leland.Stanford.EDU, dtbonner@ccgate.hac.com, dtuitt@ix.netcom.com, dward@eng.morgan.edu, eddie_correa@es.xerox.com, eddief@themall.net, edward_tellis@beqm.sp.trw.com, ehines@bellmicro.com, esprings@scuacc.scu.edu, freemanr@mizar.usc.edu, fyreball@pacbell.net, gdewey@vais.net, GodChild1@aol.com, gt1876a@prism.gatech.edu, happy4ari@aol.com, hchiz@aol.com, HDBLACKMAN@asu.edu, HOLLOWAY@gate1.sbcc.cc.ca.us, holomatg@assembly.ca.gov, jam6jam@aol.com, january@clt.infi.net, jazz@voicenet.com, jdrayton@dolphin.upenn.edu, jhenders@eng.wayne.edu, jjones@ei.org, jnt895@aol.com, jsimbai@ball.com, jwilliam@ladc.lockheed.com, JWS5%Mkt%BayPen@go50.comp.pge.com, jzzynme@gnn.com, kjones@mail.arc.nasa.gov, KMILLS@corp.cuc.com, ksprings@sv.edelman.com, LaCherie.Watson@alliedsignal.com, lanab15@aol.com, ligonde@stripe.Colorado.EDU, luis_polanco@PTP.hp.com, luvmyday@earthlink.net, markeef@microsoft.com, Mike.Mo@worldnet.att.net, mlawton@stdntpop.lmu.edu, moni1913@aol.com, neroda@nv.doe.gov, norton@eci1.ucsb.edu, oglover@tti.com, overjoyd@leland.Stanford.EDU, raina.gilliam@trw.com Content-Description: cc:Mail note part _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From HHParikh@aol.com Fri Feb 14 07:46:46 1997 From: HHParikh@aol.com Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 07:46:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970214074646_-1207227982@emout14.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org cc: isp@fcc.com Subject: Re: FWD>> Fw- Special Mess X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 I strongley protest new law requiring to pay per min charges for internet usage. I request all internet user to join in to protest and force FCC to withdraw. All telephone compnies also be told and must srongly protest against this passege, must be stopped immedieatly. Best Regards, hasit _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From p479@hopi.dtcc.edu Fri Feb 14 12:06:10 1997 Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 12:05:55 -0500 (EST) From: HARISH C PANDYA To: isp@fcc.gov cc: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Games played by local telephone co. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Sir, Is there any way we can save us fron the rip off by local telephone companies. On one side our president want Internet to be available to every one in our nataion. On the other side the telephone companies want to ripo us off. Please do not allow them to add any more charges. They are already ripping us. Look what we paid 20 years ago and what we are paying now. Our income has not increased in that proportion. So please do not allow any increase of rates for Internet services. Thanks _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Shyam.R.Tiwari@scsnet.com Fri Feb 14 12:25:52 1997 Message-ID: From: "Tiwari, Shyam R." To: "'VHPALL'" Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 12:20:00 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namaskar Bandhu Here is an article from New York Times. If US acts on it, in future this might have good implications for all the world religions. Regards Shyam Tiwari February 14, 1997 ON MY MIND / By A.M. ROSENTHAL Questions Unasked Why are Communist and militant Islamic dictatorships persecuting Christians? Why are Western democracies reacting so passively -- or not at all? What can be done to ease the repression? Every government knows Protestants and Catholics are persecuted in a score of countries. For trying to worship openly and as their religion teaches, Christians are arrested and tortured by the thousands -- and many killed. Among countries with the most vicious records is the one that the West courts most lustfully, China. Also on the list are American "allies" -- like Saudi Arabia, where U.S. troops helping the monarchy survive or American workers making it richer cannot worship openly or display symbols of their religion. Just this week, Reuters reported that 1,000 Pakistani Christian families were driven from their homes by Muslim rioters -- village looted and churches set afire. But the obvious questions above are never answered by Western governments and persons of power -- nor asked. The hounds of Heaven pursue with the answers. Dictatorships, for all their brutish swagger, are terrified by free thoughts and minds. They threaten the control without which dictators fear to govern. By definition, free worship is an enemy. Freedom of worship is proclaimed in international agreements on human rights. The West has eliminated the support of those rights as a foreign policy. The overriding policy, suffocating all others, now is trade. Freedom is not a menu. Democracies cannot convince dictators that political persecution is permissible but that it will struggle against religious persecution -- or the reverse. Dictatorships do have a human rights policy. Act against any variety of our oppressions and we will punish you with loss of trade. The West answers forthrightly: Yes, master. Much can be done to ease oppression, and not long ago was. During the Soviet empire, U.S. ambassadors and visiting officials regularly met in Moscow with dissidents. The oppressed knew, and so did the Kremlin, that they had a powerful ally. Beijing has cowed Americans into fleeing from Christians and others it imprisoned for crimes of the mind. The U.S., which denounced the Soviet gulag, now gives military honors to the killers of the Chinese gulag. The new U.S. policy of betrayal of religious and political rights was shaped by companies doing business with the dictatorships. They turned President Clinton right around -- his back now to his own promises. An American movement for persecuted Christians is just developing. An Administration advisory committee on religion met for the first time yesterday. Tremble, Beijing. Why has there been no powerful U.S. constituency for persecuted Christians as there was for Soviet dissidents and South African blacks? The answer is in our stars -- our business, political and intellectual leaders -- and in ourselves. American businessmen supported Soviet Jews and evangelicals when no big trade deals were at risk. Liberal American intellectuals and politicians also supported them -- and the boycott against apartheid. Now intellectuals and some religious organizations find the movement for Christian religious freedom too conservative on other matters; all together now, wrinkle noses. Do we really need a political litmus test for supporting religious freedom? Members of the movement for Christian oppressed tell of other problems. They say that Christians do not often enough see themselves in oppressed Christians far away, as a Jewish industrialist remembering the Holocaust might see something of himself in a persecuted Jewish sweeper in Yemen. And ministers in the movement are sometimes lectured that the blood of the martyrs is the seed of the church. Christian theology is not my specialization. I only know all prisoners for freedom are intertwined in their chains. Who can believe that their sufferings will not ease if the chairmen of Boeing, General Motors, Morgan Guaranty and Microsoft, and U.S. Presidents and secretaries of state past and present, rise to say that the altar must stand higher than the cash register, and pledge to make it so? And if they fail in their duty to do this, where is it written that the rest of us are absolved from doing ours? Home | Sections | Contents | Search | Forums | Help Copyright 1997 The New York Times Company ----------------------------------------------------------------------- - _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Fri Feb 14 14:12:30 1997 Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 11:50:44 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Fwd: FWD>> Fw- Special Mess In-Reply-To: <970214001053_819632598@emout09.mail.aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is what is called a "spam" or a worthless chain lettrer on internet. Please do ignore this message. Its only use is to create confusion and generate a lot of messages to the phone company (as arevange for something).... regards, ajay On Fri, 14 Feb 1997 VICHARAK@aol.com wrote: > 2/12/1997 > > Dear GC mmebers: > > The attached is an important piece of information (courtesy: Jitendra Goel, > President, Southern California chapter). Though it says February 13 as the > deadline, please email your protest even if it is late. > > Brotherly, > > Gaurang > --------------------- > Forwarded message: > From: Jitendra_Goel@qmail4.nba.TRW.COM (Jitendra Goel) > To: gokula@aol.com (GOKUL Agarwalla), d.colonna@ieee.org (DOMINIC Colonna), > priya.cratsley@fdc-tssg.com (PRIYA CRATSLEY), anurag.goel@att.com (Anurag > Goel), ggoel@tcs.com (Gaurav Goel), kabir@cyberverse.com (Kabir Goyal), > VGOYAL@aol.com (VIREN GOYAL), viren.goyal@usiny.mail.abb.com (Viren Goyal), > gulaniu@pacbell.net (UMA GULANI), 103655.2733@compuserve.com (D.D. > Khandelwal), sudesh.kumar@sandiegoca.ncr.com (sudesh kumar), > vkumar@austin.ibm.com (Vandana Kumar), s.maas@ieee.org (Steve Maas), > TejasMehta@aol.com (Tejas Mehta), harshpande@aol.com (HARSH PANDE), > JShah.El_Segundo@xerox.com (Jawahar Shah), jyothi@primenet.com (Sherry), > penumaka@isi.com (Srinivas), vicharak@aol.com (Gaurang Vaishnav), > svishnu@mail.att.net (Sandeep Vishnu) > Date: 97-02-12 19:54:13 EST > > Mail*Link(r) SMTP FWD>> Fw: Special Message - Possible > Local... > > > > -------------------------------------- > Date: 2/12/97 7:13 AM > From: Steve Young > FYI > > -------------------------------------- > Date: 2/11/97 2:13 PM > From: EAnderson@davd.com > > > Please write a email letter to the address below. > > EA > > ______________________________ Forward Header > __________________________________ > Subject: Fw: Special Message - Possible Local Telephone Interne > Author: GSchmitz at Davidson-RAD > Date: 2/11/97 1:36 PM > > > > > > ______________________________ Forward Header > __________________________________ > > >> > >> >Important to all of us, we cannot let this happen: > >> > > >> >I am writing you this to inform you of a very important matter > >> >currently under review by the FCC. Your local telephone company has > >> >filed a proposal with the FCC to impose per minute charges for your > >> >internet service. They contend that your usage has or will hinder the > >> >operation of the telephone network. > >> > > >> >It is my belief that internet usage will diminish if users were > >> >required to pay additional per minute charges. The FCC has created an > >> >email box for your comments, responses must be received by February > >> >13, 1997. Send your comments to isp@fcc.gov and tell them what you > >> >think. > >> > > >> >Every phone company is in on this one, and they are trying to sneak > >> >it in just under the wire for litiagation. Let everyone you know hear > >> >this one. Get the e-mail address to everyone you can think of. > >> >isp@fcc.gov > >> > > >> >Please forward this email to all your friends on the internet so all > >> >our voices may be heard! > >> > >> > >> =================================================== > > > > > ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ > Received: by qmgate.trw.com with ADMIN;11 Feb 1997 14:01:15 -0800 > Received: from artemis.davd.com by mailhub1.trw.com; Tue, 11 Feb 97 14:05:45 > -0800 > Received: from hermes.davd.com (hermes.davd.com [198.147.119.24]) by > artemis.davd.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA22830; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 > 21:59:02 -0800 (PST) > From: EAnderson@davd.com > Received: from ccMail by hermes.davd.com > (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 0000FDBB; Tue, 11 Feb 97 13:58:29 > -0800 > Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 13:47:30 -0800 > Message-ID: <0000FDBB.1320@davd.com> > Return-receipt-to: EAnderson@davd.com > Subject: Fw: Special Message - Possible Local Telephone Interne > To: 0007597417@mcimail.com, > a9jackson@aol.com, > amedalc@snds.com, > amedbsh@snds.com, > amiri@sfsu.edu, > amwilliams@ccgate.hac.com, > au@compwr.com, > bak@fortek.com, > blgilbert@fielding.edu, > brigette.fornis@trw.com, > bsexy@tamu.edu, > carl.conliffe@trw.com, > cdreynolds@ccgate.hac.com, > cgriffin@phx.mcd.mot.com, > charles@mamacass.sp.trw.com, > chisomh@baxter.com, > cjupiter@cccd.edu, > clmorris22@aol.com, > Cooper_Krystal/edu_sb-supt-schools_roy-c-hill_is@eee.org, > countblood@aol.com, > david.porter@anderson.ucla.edu, > DAVIS.GREGORY@SMA1.MCCLELLAN.AF.MIL, > dionm@uci.edu, > dmccray@cccis.com, > dray@leland.Stanford.EDU, > dtbonner@ccgate.hac.com, > dtuitt@ix.netcom.com, > dward@eng.morgan.edu, > eddie_correa@es.xerox.com, > eddief@themall.net, > edward_tellis@beqm.sp.trw.com, > ehines@bellmicro.com, > esprings@scuacc.scu.edu, > freemanr@mizar.usc.edu, > fyreball@pacbell.net, > gdewey@vais.net, > GodChild1@aol.com, > gt1876a@prism.gatech.edu, > happy4ari@aol.com, > hchiz@aol.com, > HDBLACKMAN@asu.edu, > HOLLOWAY@gate1.sbcc.cc.ca.us, > holomatg@assembly.ca.gov, > jam6jam@aol.com, > january@clt.infi.net, > jazz@voicenet.com, > jdrayton@dolphin.upenn.edu, > jhenders@eng.wayne.edu, > jjones@ei.org, > jnt895@aol.com, > jsimbai@ball.com, > jwilliam@ladc.lockheed.com, > JWS5%Mkt%BayPen@go50.comp.pge.com, > jzzynme@gnn.com, > kjones@mail.arc.nasa.gov, > KMILLS@corp.cuc.com, > ksprings@sv.edelman.com, > LaCherie.Watson@alliedsignal.com, > lanab15@aol.com, > ligonde@stripe.Colorado.EDU, > luis_polanco@PTP.hp.com, > luvmyday@earthlink.net, > markeef@microsoft.com, > Mike.Mo@worldnet.att.net, > mlawton@stdntpop.lmu.edu, > moni1913@aol.com, > neroda@nv.doe.gov, > norton@eci1.ucsb.edu, > oglover@tti.com, > overjoyd@leland.Stanford.EDU, > raina.gilliam@trw.com > Content-Description: cc:Mail note part > > > > > > _____________________________ > For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Babu.Gandhi@trw.com Fri Feb 14 18:29:02 1997 Message-ID: Date: 14 Feb 1997 14:58:59 -0800 From: "Babu Gandhi" Subject: Re: Fwd: FWD>> Fw- Spe To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Ajay Please prepare to speak for five minutes at the wedding about Shreyas. Can you please inform G.C. members about Shreyas's wedding to Dr. Swati on 16Feb. on my behalf, thanks. Babubhai Gandhi ------------------------------ Date: 2/14/97 1:35 PM To: Gandhi, Babu From: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org This is what is called a "spam" or a worthless chain lettrer on internet. Please do ignore this message. Its only use is to create confusion and generate a lot of messages to the phone company (as arevange for something).... regards, ajay On Fri, 14 Feb 1997 VICHARAK@aol.com wrote: > 2/12/1997 > > Dear GC mmebers: > > The attached is an important piece of information (courtesy: Jitendra Goel, > President, Southern California chapter). Though it says February 13 as the > deadline, please email your protest even if it is late. > > Brotherly, > > Gaurang > --------------------- > Forwarded message: > From: Jitendra_Goel@qmail4.nba.TRW.COM (Jitendra Goel) > To: gokula@aol.com (GOKUL Agarwalla), d.colonna@ieee.org (DOMINIC Colonna), > priya.cratsley@fdc-tssg.com (PRIYA CRATSLEY), anurag.goel@att.com (Anurag > Goel), ggoel@tcs.com (Gaurav Goel), kabir@cyberverse.com (Kabir Goyal), > VGOYAL@aol.com (VIREN GOYAL), viren.goyal@usiny.mail.abb.com (Viren Goyal), > gulaniu@pacbell.net (UMA GULANI), 103655.2733@compuserve.com (D.D. > Khandelwal), sudesh.kumar@sandiegoca.ncr.com (sudesh kumar), > vkumar@austin.ibm.com (Vandana Kumar), s.maas@ieee.org (Steve Maas), > TejasMehta@aol.com (Tejas Mehta), harshpande@aol.com (HARSH PANDE), > JShah.El_Segundo@xerox.com (Jawahar Shah), jyothi@primenet.com (Sherry), > penumaka@isi.com (Srinivas), vicharak@aol.com (Gaurang Vaishnav), > svishnu@mail.att.net (Sandeep Vishnu) > Date: 97-02-12 19:54:13 EST > > Mail*Link(r) SMTP FWD>> Fw: Special Message - Possible > Local... > > > > -------------------------------------- > Date: 2/12/97 7:13 AM > From: Steve Young > FYI > > -------------------------------------- > Date: 2/11/97 2:13 PM > From: EAnderson@davd.com > > > Please write a email letter to the address below. > > EA > > ______________________________ Forward Header > __________________________________ > Subject: Fw: Special Message - Possible Local Telephone Interne > Author: GSchmitz at Davidson-RAD > Date: 2/11/97 1:36 PM > > > > > > ______________________________ Forward Header > __________________________________ > > >> > >> >Important to all of us, we cannot let this happen: > >> > > >> >I am writing you this to inform you of a very important matter > >> >currently under review by the FCC. Your local telephone company has > >> >filed a proposal with the FCC to impose per minute charges for your > >> >internet service. They contend that your usage has or will hinder the > >> >operation of the telephone network. > >> > > >> >It is my belief that internet usage will diminish if users were > >> >required to pay additional per minute charges. The FCC has created an > >> >email box for your comments, responses must be received by February > >> >13, 1997. Send your comments to isp@fcc.gov and tell them what you > >> >think. > >> > > >> >Every phone company is in on this one, and they are trying to sneak > >> >it in just under the wire for litiagation. Let everyone you know hear > >> >this one. Get the e-mail address to everyone you can think of. > >> >isp@fcc.gov > >> > > >> >Please forward this email to all your friends on the internet so all > >> >our voices may be heard! > >> > >> > >> =================================================== > > > > > ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ > Received: by qmgate.trw.com with ADMIN;11 Feb 1997 14:01:15 -0800 > Received: from artemis.davd.com by mailhub1.trw.com; Tue, 11 Feb 97 14:05:45 > -0800 > Received: from hermes.davd.com (hermes.davd.com [198.147.119.24]) by > artemis.davd.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA22830; Tue, 11 Feb 1997 > 21:59:02 -0800 (PST) > From: EAnderson@davd.com > Received: from ccMail by hermes.davd.com > (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 0000FDBB; Tue, 11 Feb 97 13:58:29 > -0800 > Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 13:47:30 -0800 > Message-ID: <0000FDBB.1320@davd.com> > Return-receipt-to: EAnderson@davd.com > Subject: Fw: Special Message - Possible Local Telephone Interne > To: 0007597417@mcimail.com, > a9jackson@aol.com, > amedalc@snds.com, > amedbsh@snds.com, > amiri@sfsu.edu, > amwilliams@ccgate.hac.com, > au@compwr.com, > bak@fortek.com, > blgilbert@fielding.edu, > brigette.fornis@trw.com, > bsexy@tamu.edu, > carl.conliffe@trw.com, > cdreynolds@ccgate.hac.com, > cgriffin@phx.mcd.mot.com, > charles@mamacass.sp.trw.com, > chisomh@baxter.com, > cjupiter@cccd.edu, > clmorris22@aol.com, > Cooper_Krystal/edu_sb-supt-schools_roy-c-hill_is@eee.org, > countblood@aol.com, > david.porter@anderson.ucla.edu, > DAVIS.GREGORY@SMA1.MCCLELLAN.AF.MIL, > dionm@uci.edu, > dmccray@cccis.com, > dray@leland.Stanford.EDU, > dtbonner@ccgate.hac.com, > dtuitt@ix.netcom.com, > dward@eng.morgan.edu, > eddie_correa@es.xerox.com, > eddief@themall.net, > edward_tellis@beqm.sp.trw.com, > ehines@bellmicro.com, > esprings@scuacc.scu.edu, > freemanr@mizar.usc.edu, > fyreball@pacbell.net, > gdewey@vais.net, > GodChild1@aol.com, > gt1876a@prism.gatech.edu, > happy4ari@aol.com, > hchiz@aol.com, > HDBLACKMAN@asu.edu, > HOLLOWAY@gate1.sbcc.cc.ca.us, > holomatg@assembly.ca.gov, > jam6jam@aol.com, > january@clt.infi.net, > jazz@voicenet.com, > jdrayton@dolphin.upenn.edu, > jhenders@eng.wayne.edu, > jjones@ei.org, > jnt895@aol.com, > jsimbai@ball.com, > jwilliam@ladc.lockheed.com, > JWS5%Mkt%BayPen@go50.comp.pge.com, > jzzynme@gnn.com, > kjones@mail.arc.nasa.gov, > KMILLS@corp.cuc.com, > ksprings@sv.edelman.com, > LaCherie.Watson@alliedsignal.com, > lanab15@aol.com, > ligonde@stripe.Colorado.EDU, > luis_polanco@PTP.hp.com, > luvmyday@earthlink.net, > markeef@microsoft.com, > Mike.Mo@worldnet.att.net, > mlawton@stdntpop.lmu.edu, > moni1913@aol.com, > neroda@nv.doe.gov, > norton@eci1.ucsb.edu, > oglover@tti.com, > overjoyd@leland.Stanford.EDU, > raina.gilliam@trw.com > Content-Description: cc:Mail note part > > > > > > _____________________________ > For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by qmgate.trw.com with ADMIN;14 Feb 1997 11:26:59 -0800 Received: from www10.clever.net by mailhub1.trw.com; Fri, 14 Feb 97 11:18:26 -0800 Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id OAA09031; Fri, 14 Feb 1997 14:12:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 11:50:44 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Fwd: FWD>> Fw- Special Mess In-Reply-To: <970214001053_819632598@emout09.mail.aol.com> Message-Id: X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Fri Feb 14 20:15:35 1997 Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 17:53:57 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Cc: babu.gandhi@trw.com Subject: Wedding Bell From Shreyas and Swati Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It is my distinct pleasure to inform the GC of VHP that Shreyas Gandhi, who is son of Babubhai Gandhi, a GC member and a key HSC volunteer in Southern California is getting married to Swati, who is a medical doctor from Bharat on Sunday Feb 16. Shreyas has a Masters degree in Electrial Eng., and is also working towards MBA. Babubhai, and his entire family are very active in all the Hindu and Bharat related activities in Southern California. Shreyas was the founding member of Cniversity of California - Irvine chapter, and taught Hindi and Gita while undergraduate student. On behalf of VHP and HSC family, I would like to extend a hearty congratulations to Shreyas and Swati as they embark upon this wonderful journey in life. E-mail compliments to Babubhai can be sent to : babu.gandhi@trw.com regards, ajay _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From cbando@lynx.dac.neu.edu Sat Feb 15 16:25:12 1997 From: Chandan Bandopadhyay Message-Id: <199702152125.QAA25841@lynx.dac.neu.edu> Subject: Swamy China Jeer of Vijayawada, Andhra Pradesh To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 16:25:30 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org namaskar, I was wondering what is the view of Swamy China Jeer of Vijayawada, Andhra Pradesh on VHP/RSS. thanks.... Forwarded message: From daemon Sat Feb 15 16:22:07 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970215161918.007e9480@po9.mit.edu> X-Sender: asthagir@po9.mit.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 16:19:19 -0500 To: cbando@lynx.dac.neu.edu, cbanerj@annapurna.ccs.neu.edu From: Anand Asthagiri Subject: Swamy China Jeer of Vijayawada, Andhra Pradesh Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I also received this mail... [all these people are responding via our home page to which we've had about 700 visitors!] >Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 19:21:01 -0500 >From: Tejaswi Raparla >Subject: Swamy China Jeer of Vijayawada, Andhra Pradesh >To: asthagir@MIT.EDU >Organization: World Bank >X-Url: http://www.mit.edu/activities/hsc/home.html > >-- >The World Bank, 1818 H St. NW, Washington DC 20433, U.S.A. >http://www.worldbank.org +1(202)477-1234 > > >I understand that Swamy China Jeer may be visiting USA this summer. He is >an authority on Bhagavad Gita and can give several lectures. He also >started a non profit org. in USA called JET ( I can provide email >address). Would your group be interested to invite him for lectures. His >travel from India would be covered by some other organization which is >inviting him. I can bear the costs from that place to your University. >You would really enjoy his lectures. I can provide some additional info. >There are some recorded lectures in English (I recorded when he visited >Washington D.C. in June). > >Regards > >Tejaswi > ______________________________________________________________________ Anand R. Asthagiri http://mit.edu/asthagir/www HOME: OFFICE: 143 Albany St. #209A Bldg 56-389, MIT Cambridge, MA 02139 Cambridge, MA 02139 (617)225-7146 (617)258-9488 Chandan cbando@lynx.neu.edu **************************************************************************** * "This life is short, the vanities of the world are transient, but they * * alone live who live for others, the rest are more dead than alive" * * - Vishwa Vivek * **************************************************************************** _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Tue Feb 18 05:18:06 1997 Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 02:56:35 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Emergency - Out of Country Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Due to some family circumstances, which I just found out, I am leaving for Bharat in next four hours. If you have some work for me pending, my apologies, but I will get to it after I come back in next 2-2 1/2 weeks regards, ajay ps : please note that the Disney campaign is still on. If you have any further information, please send it to Nandkishor Sharmaji (I hope it's ok with him), and I will catch up as soon as I return _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From rvarma@stallion.jsums.edu Tue Feb 18 09:45:47 1997 Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 08:47:32 -0600 (CST) From: Rajiv Varma To: VHP Governing Council Subject: Article by Vijay Parshad - "Culture Vultures" Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The attached article is being sent to illustrate the mindset of Hindutva's opponents. This one specifically mentions VHP-A, and Hindutva work in the U.S. -Rajiv ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 18 Feb 97 15:50:53 EST From: Ashok V Chowgule Subject: Culture vultures Title : Culture vultures Author : Vijay Prashad Publication : Communalism Combat Date : February, 1997 On 11 June 1995, at a Satyanarayan temple in New York City, the New York shakha of the Hindu Swayamsewak Sangh held a Hindu Sangathan Diwas (Hindu Unity day). Dr.Yash Pal Lakra, president of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad of America (VHPA), was the keynote speaker. The Sangh advertised the event with a quotation from Swami Vivekananda: "You are a Hindu when the distress of anyone bearing that name comes to your heart and makes you feel as if your own son were in distress." What "distresses" a group of professional Hindu migrants to the United States? For what must this group of Hindus be "united"? What does the VHPA do in America and what is the nature of the Hinduism imparted by its workers? These are not questions which this brief note can answer. Instead, I will offer an analysis of those Hindu migrants who take comfort in the withered arms of the VHPA. America turns to migrants from South Asia for their labour, not for their lives. In 1965, the United States revised its immigration laws to encourage technical and scientific experts to migrate and overhaul its scientific and military establishment. These migrants came for their expertise, not to make American society more diverse. On the contrary. America was at that moment emerging from a decade of racial struggle whose principal result was an illiberalism among whites towards 'racial' and cultural difference. The migrant from the subcontinent came to work hard and to uphold an economy which began to crumble under the weight of intensified military spending n the 1980s (during which time the US outspent the USSR in Cold war II). Each day, however, these migrants are assailed by a society unable to deal with people who speak with a different accent, who have different shades of skin, colour, who enjoy different music and food and who have their own ways of social interaction. In 1987, Navroze Mody was beaten to death during a spate of racial incidents in New Jersey. In 1994, a South Asian student was savagely attacked in Rhode Island because he played a Bhangra tape at a party. America enjoys the technical and manual labour of these subcontinental migrants, but America is unable to take the lives of these migrants into its heart. For this reason, the migrants search for ways to recover their own dignity as well as ways to protect their children from what they sometimes see as an overly hostile society. The new syndicated Hindu movement which began in the 1960s in India soon turned its eyes to North America and Britain. In North America, the VHPA was founded in 1970 to gradually spread to about 75 cities with a membership in the thousands. The VHPA is able to grow because it responded (perversely) to the contradictions of the, Hindu migrant. First, it offered a way for the migrants to reconstruct their dignity as a people with a great culture which is superior to American culture. The VHPA fought a bigoted culture with its own bigoted version: "if you say your culture is better, we'll say our culture is better." Rather than negotiate the weaknesses in all our cultural experiments, the VHPA reinforced the idea of the separation of 'Hindu' and 'America' and thereby further segregated the consciousness of the Hindu migrant from American society. For example, the VHPA encourages Hindu women to avoid professionalism, warns Hindu teenagers to eschew sexual and social relations with non-Hindu youth. Hindus are urged to five epic lives which serves as a mode of social control against the youth as well as against women. The youth are alienated from the re-sources which might help them to live in a multicultural nation and a complex world. Gandhi, in 1925, offered the best riposte to the VHPA's static idea of 'culture': "it is good to swim in the waters of tradition, but to sink in them is suicide." Tradition must build upon our contemporary contradictions not be a thing which we must wield dogmatically against our own collective interests. The second manner in which the VHP was able to draw support was by its offer to socialize the youth. American society is under attack from the rapaciousness of transnational capital which knows that it can sell whatever the market will bear regardless of ethics. Parents are fighting a defensive battle against the weight of these corporations. Hindu parents do not join in what should be a collective battle to reconstruct society along the lines of compassion; rather, many withdraw into Hindu enclaves where they send their children to VHPA summer camps to be trained in the way of the new syndicated Hindu Dharma. At these camps whose numbers are growing, the VHPA teaches the youth shlokas, stories from Epic literature, Hindi, yoga, bhajans, dance, and the rituals of a Brahmanical Hinduism. The VHPA sells these camps as cultural and, in fact, sells itself as a cultural organization. Of course, those who know of the activities of the VHP in the subcontinent (destroying the historical mosque at Ayodhya and participating in sectarian violence) know that they do not simply do cultural work. At the Tenth Hindu Conference in New York City in 1984, a resolution urged "all the Hindus of the world - back home and abroad - to act in a broad and nationalistic manner rising above their personal beliefs and creeds, parochial languages, and provincial and sectarian considerations such as Gujarati, Punjabi, Tamilian, Telugu, Bengali, Jains, Sikhs, etc." The VHPA offers the Hindu (and Sikh and Jain!) migrant an easy task: give money for work in India, to help those Hindus who are in "distress". The money rolls in (the VHPA does not reveal the amounts). Biju Mathew, editor of Sanskriti, a secular and democratic journal published in New York City, estimates that the minimum "saffron dollars" sent to India between January 1992 and December 1993 was Rupees 12.5 million. The money travels to do 'good work', which, to those of us who have some idea of the VHP in India, means towards such activities as purchasing conversions, engineering sectarian conflicts and funding political candidates. The VHPA asks American Hindus to be nationalistic: that nationalism, however, allows the migrant to be innocent as the VHP takes their devotion ("saffron dollars") and puts it to work in the imaginary homeland (India) where people are not comforted by Hinduism, but where they are slaughtered in its name. The tragedy of the Hindu migrants is their inability to reconstruct their traditions to suit a difficult context. America is, of course, not all bad. There are many who try to fight against bigotry and injustice, but they are an ignored minority. There are those subcontinentals who found organisations to help the migrant recover dignity and to help the 'accidental Americans'(their children) find a comfortable place in America. These groups such as FOIL (Forum, Concerned South Asians, SAKHI) shun the bigotry of the VHPA in favour of an egalitarian world which must be built in our image. Those of us who migrate here from India are Indians whatever we do and in our cultural kit, things Indian remain. Indian Americans must draw from our various cultural resources in order to produce philosophies adequate to our concrete problems. That is the purpose of culture: as a resource of hope, not a weapon for self-flagellation. (The writer is assistant professor of International Studies, Trinity College, Hartford, and a member of the Forum of Indian Leftists (FOIL), USA _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From bbg@mdc.net Tue Feb 18 20:07:13 1997 Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 19:55:28 -0500 Message-Id: <199702190055.TAA09190@netway1.mdc.net> X-Sender: bbg@mail.mdc.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From: "Brij B. Garg" Subject: Please take care when addressing your message X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear GC Member, Kindly consider the following cautions: (1) Please avoid using the Cc: field when sending the mail to vhpgc-l@hindunet.org By just using the To: field, you avoid leaking out the net address. You can certainly send the same message to others via a separate email. (2) When sending mail, if it does not concern all the GC memebers, then please address it to the individual member's email address. (3) When forwarding email to GC members, it will be nice if you can edit the unnecessary characters from the stuff you are forwarding (obviously, you may want to save the references etc.). Thank you for using this resource thoughtfully. Brotherly yours, -Brij _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From cbando@lynx.dac.neu.edu Wed Feb 19 00:50:37 1997 From: Chandan Bandopadhyay Message-Id: <199702190551.AAA02626@lynx.dac.neu.edu> Subject: Info Needed:Swamy China Jeer of Vijayawada, Andhra Pradesh To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 00:51:01 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org NAMASKAR EVERYONE, I was wondering if any of you could tell me the view of Swamy China Jeer of Vijayawada, Andhra Pradesh on VHP/RSS. It'd be very helpful if you could provide some info about thie Swami, if you had any. thanks a lot.... Chandan cbando@lynx.neu.edu **************************************************************************** * "This life is short, the vanities of the world are transient, but they * * alone live who live for others, the rest are more dead than alive" * * - Vishwa Vivek * **************************************************************************** _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Shyam.R.Tiwari@scsnet.com Thu Feb 20 11:25:43 1997 Message-ID: From: "Tiwari, Shyam R." To: "'VHPALL'" Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:24:00 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namste Here is an Article from NYTimes February 20, 1997 Canada's Torn Sikhs: In a Holy Place, Unholy Rage By ANTHONY DePALMA SURREY, British Columbia -- Chairs and tables are lined up on one side of the big community room at the Guru Nanak Sikh Temple and long red floor mats on the other. Members of the temple eat their post-prayer meals of lentils and flat bread in silence, some sitting on chairs, others cross-legged on mats. But not long ago, this same Sikh temple across the street from a McDonald's Restaurant in this suburb about 20 miles southeast of Vancouver was the scene of a violent confrontation that many here interpreted as an extension of old religious disputes to life in a new world. Deeply orthodox members of the temple reportedly lashed angrily at other members with knives, clubs and ceremonial swords, slicing through one man's ear, dislocating an executive committee member's arm, smashing a teen-age girl over the head and stabbing a man in the side -- all because of a dispute over whether the Sikh Code of Conduct requires members to sit on floor mats or allows them to use chairs. Or was it? "This is not a table and chair issue," said Harmohinder Singh Bains, a brawny 38-year-old member of the temple. "The whole thing is about power, ego and money." Bains, who is clean shaven and wears gray cowboy boots, is what is known as a "lightly burdened" Sikh -- that is, he does not wear a turban or let his beard and hair grow uncut. Sikhism is a religion that arose in the Punjab region of India from the teachings of a 15th-century guru named Nanak, who laid down its tenets of equality, monotheism and self-restraint. Interpreting those ideas and the Code of Conduct is left up to each community. This has been a source of endless conflict both in the Punjab and in the many new places where Sikhs live. Bains belongs to the faction of reform-minded Sikhs who in December 1995 wrested control of the temple -- one of the largest in Canada -- and its $1 million a year in contributions from an executive committee dominated by orthodox Sikhs that had been in power for more than a decade. "The Western media refer to them as fundamentalists but really they are just hooligans out to cause trouble," Bains said. But the president of the committee until the last election, Piara Singh Natt, a trucking company executive, bristles at the term "fundamentalist." "Is it fundamentalism to adhere strictly to what we are told to do by the highest authorities in Sikhism?" Natt said in an interview. Since the confrontation at the temple, Natt has stayed away, preferring to listen to services on the radio while praying in his spacious home several miles away. He wears his hair and beard long, and in the middle of an interview at home he unbuttoned his shirt to show the small brass and steel dagger called a kirpan that he, like many devout Sikhs, wears every minute of the day, even while he sleeps, as a symbol of readiness to defend the faith. "This was a very unfortunate incident," Natt said of the clash over chairs and mats. "Yes, people were slashed. But not with swords. And not with kirpan. They used utensils from the kitchen." The Royal Canadian Mounted Police had to break up the fight. They arrested five Sikhs for assault and attempted murder and have warrants out for four others. The Mounties, who occupied the temple for several days and searched it, using dogs, found more ceremonial swords and weapons stashed away. The Mounties relinquished control only after both sides agreed to a compromise that allowed both chairs and mats to be used until the executive committee can reach a permanent solution. Now, on the back wall of the dining hall, there is a sign in Punjabi prohibiting "proselytizing or speeches with respect to the issue of the use and presence of chairs vs. mats." But the settlement is only temporary, as may be the peace. Sikhism is based on ideals of equality, Bains said, and the traditional meal after prayers is an important demonstration that all temple members are equal. Therefore, no one's head should be above another's. And there are the accusations by the "lightly burdened" that their predecessors are really trying to regain control of the temple and of the cash box where the faithful leave their donations. Bains and others contend that the previous administration had funneled money to India in support of militant groups fighting for the creation of a Sikh homeland, known as Khalistan, in the Punjab. "And if it wasn't going there, the money had to be going into somebody's pocket," Bains said. Natt flatly denied that even a penny had ever been taken from the temple treasury or sent to the militants. He said that his followers support the idea of an independent Sikh homeland, but he said, "I do not preach violence." This is not the first time Canada has found itself embroiled in Sikh disputes. In 1985, a bomb went off on an Air India jumbo jet heading from Vancouver to India. The jet crashed into the sea off the coast of Ireland, killing all 329 people aboard. Most were Canadians of Indian descent, and officials have attributed the bombing to retaliation over India's attack on a Sikh shrine in 1984. Last December, the Mounties' lead investigator said he expected to charge several suspects in the 1985 bombing by late winter or early spring. The Mounties have long said they suspected that Sikh militants from Vancouver were responsible for the bombing, although they have never suggested that anyone from Guru Nanak Temple was involved. The walls of the dining hall at the temple are covered with gruesome paintings of decapitations and other horrors that Indian Moguls once used to suppress the Sikhs. Alongside the paintings are modern photographs showing Sikh separatist warriors in India brandishing Ak-47s and other assault weapons. The photographs seem eerily out of place in a religious building, especially one that so recently witnessed such an outburst of violence. Bains tried to explain that the photographs do not glorify violence and that for Sikhs, violence is condoned only when every other measure has failed. "Yes these photographs show violence," he said, "but it is a different kind of violence." Later, he tried again to explain the presence of the photographs. "Actually," he said, "the people who put the pictures here were from the other committee." Regards Shyam Tiwari Copyright 1997 The New York Times Company _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Mon Mar 10 14:15:01 1997 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 11:52:54 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Back From Bharat Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Namaskar I am back from Bharat now, and I am going through my e-mail messages. If there are any issues that you have pending with me, please be assured that by the end of the week I will attend to them. I will also be sending a brief report on Hindutva related activities, and the people I talked with regarding our work in Bharat in next few days. regards, ajay ps : for those who knew, my Mama (Dr. V. C. Sanghani), who had attended GV2000, and Pittsburgh VHP conferences passed away. He was like a father to me, since I had grown up at my Mama's place. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Babu.Gandhi@trw.com Mon Mar 10 17:45:37 1997 Message-ID: Date: 10 Mar 1997 14:22:57 -0800 From: "Babu Gandhi" Subject: Re: Back From Bharat To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; Name="Message Body" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Message Body" X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Ajay May God give us strength to bear this loss. My hearty consolation. Babubhai ------------------------------ Date: 3/10/97 12:07 PM To: Gandhi, Babu From: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namaskar I am back from Bharat now, and I am going through my e-mail messages. If there are any issues that you have pending with me, please be assured that by the end of the week I will attend to them. I will = also be sending a brief report on Hindutva related activities, and the people = I talked with regarding our work in Bharat in next few days. regards, ajay ps : for those who knew, my Mama (Dr. V. C. Sanghani), who had attended GV2000, and Pittsburgh VHP conferences passed away. He was like a father to me, since I had grown up at my Mama's place. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: = owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by qmgate.trw.com with ADMIN;10 Mar 1997 11:50:12 -0800 Received: from www10.clever.net by mailhub1.trw.com; Mon, 10 Mar 97 = 11:20:29 -0800 Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id = OAA02745; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 14:15:05 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 11:52:54 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Back From Bharat Message-Id: = X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Babu.Gandhi@trw.com Mon Mar 10 19:41:06 1997 Message-ID: Date: 10 Mar 1997 16:23:50 -0800 From: "Babu Gandhi" Subject: Re: Back From Bharat To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; Name="Message Body" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Message Body" X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org = 3/10/97 = 5:20 PM RE>>Back From Bharat ------------------------------ Date: 3/10/97 3:22 PM To: Gandhi, Babu From: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Ajay May God give us strength to bear this loss. My hearty consolation. Babubhai ------------------------------ Date: 3/10/97 12:07 PM To: Gandhi, Babu From: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namaskar I am back from Bharat now, and I am going through my e-mail messages. If there are any issues that you have pending with me, please be assured that by the end of the week I will attend to them. I will = also be sending a brief report on Hindutva related activities, and the people = I talked with regarding our work in Bharat in next few days. regards, ajay ps : for those who knew, my Mama (Dr. V. C. Sanghani), who had attended GV2000, and Pittsburgh VHP conferences passed away. He was like a father to me, since I had grown up at my Mama's place. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: = owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by qmgate.trw.com with ADMIN;10 Mar 1997 11:50:12 -0800 Received: from www10.clever.net by mailhub1.trw.com; Mon, 10 Mar 97 = 11:20:29 -0800 Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id = OAA02745; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 14:15:05 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 11:52:54 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Back From Bharat Message-Id: = X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: = owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by qmgate.trw.com with ADMIN;10 Mar 1997 14:47:20 -0800 Received: from www10.clever.net by mailhub1.trw.com; Mon, 10 Mar 97 = 14:50:42 -0800 Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id = RAA05840; Mon, 10 Mar 1997 17:45:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: 10 Mar 1997 14:22:57 -0800 From: "Babu Gandhi" Subject: Re: Back From Bharat To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: ATTACHMENT; filename=3D"Message Body" _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From VICHARAK@aol.com Mon Mar 10 22:29:30 1997 From: VICHARAK@aol.com Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 22:29:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970310222907_107901377@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Shree Sanghaniji X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Dear Ajay: Namaste. While I am happy that you are back, I am saddened by the passing away of your mama. I did not have good fortune to meet him but if he raised a dedicated worker like you, he must be a very special person. I pray to God to grant his soul eternal peace. Please convey my condolenses to your cousin sister (Sangita?) whom I have met. Brotherly, Gaurang _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From nks@anuxv.mv.lucent.com Wed Mar 12 07:04:13 1997 From: nandsharma@lucent.com (Nand K Sharma) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 97 07:04:03 EST Message-Id: <9703121204.AA15940@anuxv.mv.lucent.com> Original-From: nks@anuxv.mv.lucent.com (Nand K Sharma) To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Back From Bharat X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Ajay: I am very sorry to hear about the pasing away of your Mamaji, who was so instrumental in raising you and was such a dedicated worker for the Hindu cause. May God give you and your family strength and courage to bear his loss, and may He grant peace to Dr. Sanghani's soul. I will talk to you in a few days when you have had a chance to catch up. Nand Kishore _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Fri Mar 14 16:13:44 1997 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 13:51:56 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: List of 1998 Hindu Festivals Needed Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have received the following request. If someone can help in next few days, I'd really appreciate it. regards, ajay ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 26 Feb 97 14:48:11 -0800 From: Biju Rao To: editor@rbhatnagar.ececs.uc.edu Subject: (no subject) Hi: Do you by any chance have a list of festival dates for 1998. We need to have them included in our college calender to allow Hindu students to take the day off if they choose. Thanks, Biju Rao ---------------------------- http://www.williams.edu:803/Economics/biju/biju.htm _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From MJMEHTA@aol.com Sun Mar 16 06:58:31 1997 From: MJMEHTA@aol.com Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 06:57:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970316065757_-2074452164@emout14.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: List of 1998 Hindu Festivals Needed X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Ajay: Please try Dr. Shardanand in Maryland. This chapter publishes calendar every year. You may find this information. Regards Mahesh _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Babu.Gandhi@trw.com Mon Mar 17 15:27:20 1997 Message-ID: Date: 17 Mar 1997 10:44:36 -0800 From: "Babu Gandhi" Subject: Re: List of 1998 Hindu Festi To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; Name="Message Body" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Message Body" X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Ajay I will do that . It will require some predictions and adjustments as = Panchag for 1998 may not be avalable for sometime. Babubhai Gandhi ------------------------------ Date: 3/14/97 1:26 PM To: Gandhi, Babu From: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org I have received the following request. If someone can help in next few days, I'd really appreciate it. regards, ajay ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 26 Feb 97 14:48:11 -0800 From: Biju Rao To: editor@rbhatnagar.ececs.uc.edu Subject: (no subject) Hi: Do you by any chance have a list of festival dates for 1998. We need to have them included in our college calender to allow Hindu students to take the day off if they choose. Thanks, Biju Rao ---------------------------- http://www.williams.edu:803/Economics/biju/biju.htm _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: = owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by qmgate.trw.com with ADMIN;14 Mar 1997 13:21:03 -0800 Received: from www10.clever.net by mailhub1.trw.com; Fri, 14 Mar 97 = 13:19:07 -0800 Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id = QAA26264; Fri, 14 Mar 1997 16:13:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 13:51:56 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: List of 1998 Hindu Festivals Needed Message-Id: X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Tue Apr 1 20:21:05 1997 Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 17:59:47 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Website recognition in Hinduism Today Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Namaskar, Hinduism Today has recognized VHP-A's website Mandir : Hindu Temples Reference Center in its March 1997 issue If you have not yet visited this site, please visit http://www.vhp.org/temple_info/ Tell your friends and family about it as well! Here is the article ---------------------------- TEMPLES On Screen Odyssey Planning a pilgrimage and can't decide where to go? Locate temples around the world at the "Mandir: Hindu Temples Reference Center," a project of the Hindu Students Council and VHP of America. "Mandir" will point you in the right direction, with maps, addresses and telephone numbers of Hindu, Jain, Sikh and Buddhist temples. But plan on staying awhile at http://www.hindunet.org/temple_info/. There are not only temple construction and history links but scriptures, a panchang, a festival calendar and even instructions on how how to become a Hindu. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From cbanerj@ccs.neu.edu Wed Apr 2 15:46:52 1997 From: Chandan Bandopadhyay Message-Id: <199704022046.PAA06119@denali.ccs.neu.edu> Subject: Updates on Freedom Festival 1997 Programs To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 15:46:34 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namaste, > Following is to inform you regarding the latest progress of Freedom Festival > 1997 programs. Please feel free to send any comments, guidance & sugestion. > > Regards, > > Kanchan Banerjee > (617) 227-3023 > cbanerj@denali.ccs.neu.edu > > > > BROCHURE: > > First set of brochures were printed and the second version is soon to be > printed. If you've not received/seen it yet, or you want some, please contact > Nutan Mehta: (713) 495-9629; nutan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu. > > EVENTS: > > Seminars: (50 one day seminars are targeted in US & Canada till March '98) > We already had 3 seminars : Florida, Boston and Ann Arbor. Many more are > planned. For more information please contact Jwalant Lakhia:(810) 926-1513; > jlakhia@umich.edu. > > Regional Conferences: > > May 30 - June 1: Georgia Tech, GA > Sept:(2nd Week) Ann Arbor, Michigan > Sept 26-28: MIT, Boston > To be decided: Washington D.C. > Oct (3rd week): Toronto > Dec/Jan: Houston (together with HSC Annual Meet) > > We have not decided any conference in West Coast or NJ/NY area yet. > > Some expected guests for these conferences are: Shri Atalji Bajpai, > Shri Prakash Singh Badal, Sri T.N.Seshan, Shri Arun Shourie from Bharat, > > Local senators & governors and university presidents > > For more information please contact:Chandan Bandopadhyay: 617-227-3023; > cbando@lynx.neu.edu. > > > PUBLIC RELATIONS > > 1)Vinod & Kanchan met Indian Ambassador Naresh Chandra & Dy. Ambassador > Shyamla Kowshik > * They will come to our programs as gust speakers > * They will help getting resources including documents, pictures, films, > speakers from Bharat > * The office was given the `big picture' of HSC. > > 2)Kanchan, Dinesh, Vipul met with National Federation for Indian-American > Associations (NFIA) president Subhas Razdan in Atlanta. NFIA is officially > appointed by the Indian Embassy (Govt.) as an agency to provide support to > various programs that are being organized for 50th anniversary. NFIA is > officially sponsoring Freedom Festival programs of HSC. > > 3)Swami Chidanandaji (force behind the Encyclopedia of Hinduism, Pittsburgh) > of India Heritage Foundation (IHF) has officially sponsored Freedom Festival > programs. > > > Advertisements: > > Planning to put full/half page ads in April in the following newspapers: > India Post, News India Times, India Abroad & Hinduism Today. > > For more information contact: Anand Parekh, (313) 995-8691;akpmich@umich.edu > > WEB PAGE: > > ff97 WEB page is ready. Please check it out: www.freeindia.org > > email adress: ff97@freeindia.org > > For more info contact Ajay Shah (619) 484-4564;ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu > > FUND > > We have a total budget of $250,000 for ff97 programs. > > Raised $22,000 to date; we are in dire need of money now. PLEASE HELP IN ANY > WAY YOU CAN! > > For more info please contact: Vipul Parikh, (313)769-2840;vpar@umich.edu > > STUDY CENTER > > Monthly/Bi-monthly study centers to study Bharat's history & culture have > started in several Places including Boston, Ohio and Michigan. More will start > soon. For syllabus and course matrial and other information please contact: > Rashmi Gupta (330) 869-2197; rgupta@neoucom.edu > > SURVEY > > Survey questionaires are being prepared for a survey among the college > professors (both Indian and non-Indian) of various selected departments > (e.g. South Asian studies, religion, history, economics, pol. Sc., Social > studies etc.). The purpose is obvious: > to get a picture of academicians' perspective on various issues > related to Hindu Culture and Bharat, identify, communicate with, network and > use their expertise to promote HSC's goals. > > For mor info contact Kanchan Banerjee. > > > ESSAY COMPETITION > > HSC's ff97 related essay & arts competition has been announced. For more info > please contat: Rajiv Pandit (708) 386-7826; rpandit@luc.edu > > > CULTURAL SHOW > > It is understood that a show speaks louder than a lecture on a subject. We have > been thinking to introduce Cultural shows aiming at education as well as > entertainment of people. These shows can potentially bring money as well as > publicity for HSC as well. Here is some good news. > > The "Prabhat Kala' group of dance (in USA based in San Francisco) is world > famous. They performed in GV2000 programs which was highly apprciated by > people of all ages. They have choreographed `Dharma Bhumi" a 90 minute dance > drama based on Bharat's history. The narration is in English with Sanskrit > songs and not pure classical form but improvised ballet styles. The artists > are all professional. > > In order to do these shows, we need support from all our Sangh Parivar > Organizations locally. > > They normally charge $5-6 thousand for each show. They are well known in North > America. Last few shows had minimum 700 and maximum 1200 audience size. If HSC > can organize these shows in various cities (minimum 4) it will serve all > purposes mentioned in the first paragraph. They will charge $3000 per show, > plus we will have to take care of the transportation, motel & food for them > which will be on an average $2000 per show. Also, for publicity, a rough > amount per show will be $1000. > > Total expencce will be roughly $6000 per show > (average). If we have tickets for 15, 25, 50, 100, averaging at $30 we > need to have 200 people per show to break even. According to the producer, > there show in Chicago drew 1200 people and they raised $120, 000 (includes > some donations) from one show! > > It is a great opportunity for us to educate people about our history and > culture, raising some money and having heavy publicity for HSC/ff97 programs. > Please send your opinions on organizing these events. > > Potentially we can have these porgrams in the following cities: > > Atlanta, Boston, Chicago, D.C., Detroit, Houston, L.A, NY, Pittsburgh, Toronto. > > The group can do three shows per > week (Friday, Saturday, Sunday) if travelling from one place to the other is > not very difficult. For example: they can do it in Boston on Friday evening, > in New York Saturday evening and D.C. on Sunday. They will travel by Grey > Hound to local areas and will purchase season/monthly group pass from > bus/airlines to reduce the costs. > > For more info please contact: Haimanti Banerjee, (617) 227-3023; > chb7334@acs.bu.edu > > INDIA DARSHAN: > > Exhibit: > > 30 paintings are being made in Delhi depicting various events > and great personalities form our history. Total cost for this paintings will > be $6000. The main painter is Prof. Advait Garanayak, an art school teacher. > Paintings will be in the USA by end of April. We are closely working with > Sangh office in Delhi (we have a signed contract with the painter). Vipul > Gupta is working on creating the rest of the posters which will include > various historical figures from pre-British period and special section from > British period. We are trying to have as many as 50 great freedom fighters > in the posters (total 8-10 posters). Copies of these will be available to all > regions by end of May. Many other organizations are looking for these > posters. Wherever it is applicable either we will sell the set to them or lend > them in exchange of donations or we will put it up ourselves in various > programs organized by others. Another idea is to publish a 16-month > calendar (to sell) on Freedom Leaders of Bharat in various ages using the > same material. We can get technical support from VHPA Maryland who > publishes a calendar each year. > > For more information please contact Vipul Gupta, (770) 416-6594; > gupta@norcross.mcs.slb.com > > Slide Shows: > > There are three slide shows we're working on with the help of > Harishji Pandya (DE). 1)Bharat's Gifts > (India's contributions to human civilization including math, sciences and > spirituality) 2)Bharat through ages (an overall history of Bharat from pre- > Vedic time till now) 3)Bharat's struggle against the British (a history of > modern struggle for independence 1757 - 1947). Budget for each show is > $3000. The shows are expected to be ready by mid May. The shows will > require two slide-projectors with a dissolving unit and audio system > including tape-player. The whole show is automated. Professionally done > with professional narration and background music. Copies will be available > to various regions by end of May (approximate cost per copy will be > $300). Our main difficulty now is both money and material. We will do one > at a time according to availability of fund. We are working very hard to > collect photographs and documents. Same as the exhibition, we will have > copies available to other organizations. > > For more information please contact Kanchan Banerjee. > > > GLOBAL FREEDOM PRAYER MEET: (GFPM) > > Following is the latest information being sent to all: > > On 15th August (Friday) Midnight, Indian Standard Time (Thursday Aug > 14, 2:30 PM EST), when the actual 50th year of independence will start, > people around the world the world will hold a prayer meet in there own > country at whatever time it is at that time. > > The time table would look like this: > > India Midnight (15th) > Australia 6:30 AM (15th) > Japan 4:30 AM (15th) > Moscow 7:30 PM (14th) > UK 8:30 PM (14th) > Kenya 5:30 PM (14th) > S. Africa 6:30 PM (14th) > > USA/Canada 2:30 PM EST (14th) > 1:30 PM MST > 11:30 AM PST > > Request your own country/state/county/city/town to announce this > year/month/week/day as India year/month/week/day. Request the head of > state/city/town to attend this program and have it at the main office of the > state/city/town (e.g. State House, City/Town Hall) and have Indian flag > raised. > > Program Content/Format: > > Assemble in a large place (preferably an open public place ) such as near > the city/town hall, main assembly place on college campus. > > * Hoist the Indian Flag > * Hoist the flag of the native country > * Sing Vandemataram (Indian national song) to salute Bharat Mata > (Mother India) > * Read messages from various renowned personalities from around the > world. > * Prayers (from various faiths) for the freedom, peace & prosperity of > Bharat and the rest of > the world > * Salute those great leaders who sacrificed their lives for freedom (put a > flower on the alter of > freedom fighters) > * A prayer for those innocent millions who lost their dignity and lives due > to inhuman oppressive > forces followed by one minute silence. > * Sing Janaganamana adhinayaka (Indian national anthem) > * National anthem of the native land. > > Proposal is being made that we will publicize it through all possible media. > We will prepare a package containing an Indian flag, format of the > program, sample letter to the head of state/city etc, copies of > Vandemataram and Janagana and a text to read during the event. It can be > mailed to any individual or organization for a price ($10) to individuals > and organizations. Shri Arvind Santji is helping in this matter and he > is willing to coordinate the whole thing from New York. > > We already have contacted organizations in Kenya, South Africa, Trinidad, > Netherlands and UK regarding this event. Also, we are asking all local Parivar > and non-parivar organization to organize this program. > > For more information please contact Kanchan Banerjee. > > > OTHERS: > > T-Shirts: Several designs related to Bharat's freedom and leaders are being > printed. For more information contact Rakhi Israni, (713) 797-0801; > rxi10688@Bayou.uh.edu > > Information Booklet: This approximately 100 page booklet will contain a)Most > commonly asked questions & answers about Bharat and culture b)Brief > history of Bharat c)Bharat contribution in the world. This book will > be printed in Bharat and will be made available to people and > organizations at a very cheap rate. Expected print date: End of June > 1997. For information contact:Murali Kothanadaraman: mkoth@ctp.com > PLEASE SEND YOUR INPUT & SUGGESTIONS ON ALL ABOVE! > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Wed Apr 2 16:04:25 1997 Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 13:42:55 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Accesses to Teple Page Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Namaskar You will be glad to know that in 4 mounts, from December till March (1996/7), 6560 people have vsited, Mandir : Hindu Temple Reference Center sponsored by VHP of America. This does not count the total hits, or pictures, or icons or secondary pages. Just the access to the main page. Considering that December is usually a "light traffic" month, no. of hits on our site are significant. regards, ajay _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Wed Apr 2 16:51:26 1997 Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 14:30:02 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: CFA : Disfiguring of Shree Krishna On Aerosmith Album Cover Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Amrican Hindu Anti-Defamation Coalition : Call For Action ------------------------------------------------- WWW : http://www.hindunet.org/anti_defamation/sony/ E-mail : ahadc@hindunet.org ------------------------------------------------- Namaskar, Aerosmith, a rock group has released a new music CD called "Nine Lives" This CD is produced by Columbia Records, a subsidiary of Sony. The cover of this CD depicts a picture of Lord Krishna's battle with Kaliya. The picture of Shree Krishna is disfigured, a woman's upper body with a blouse has been used to replace Shree Krishna's upper body, and the head of Shree Krishna is replaced by that of a cat. This representation is very insulting to Hindus everywhere in the world. Hindus are protesting this insensitive act of Sony/Columbia/Aerosmith in a united manner, and we urge you and your organization to join American Hindu Anti-Defamation Coalition (AHADC) formed for this purpose You can get more information from the AHADC Web site : --------------- http://www.hindunet.org/anti_defamation/sony/ -------------- There is an on-line protest book, which you can sign. Also, e-mail addresses of Sony/Columbia/Aerosmith are listed on the above page, with sample protest letters. We also urge all the Hindu organizations and temples to join the American Hindu Anti-Defamation Coalition. A sign-up form is provided on the website, you can also print out this form and take it to your local temple and have their officials sign it. We sincerely hope that Hindus will unite and protest disfiguring of their revered Lord Krishna. Ajay Shah, Chetan Tanna and Vaani Chawla for American Hindu Anti-Defamation Coalition (ahadc@hindunet.org) convened by Vishwa Hindu Parishad of America _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From VICHARAK@aol.com Wed Apr 2 21:51:35 1997 From: VICHARAK@aol.com Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 21:51:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970402214845_-602257816@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Good job on Temple page X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 04/02/1997 Dear Ajayji: Namaste. Very heartened to know the results. I have been receiving a number of compliments and questions based on the temple site as well as Support A child page. You and your team deserve congratulations. Keep it up and continue educating all of us. Brotherly, Gaurang _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From HHParikh@aol.com Thu Apr 3 07:00:24 1997 From: HHParikh@aol.com Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 06:59:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970403065952_2013931656@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Accesses to Teple Page X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Dear Ajay, Very happy to know that such acesses is available and I will share this news with intrested groups who can directly provide communication to you. Congratulation on a good work you and your group is doing. Please let me know if I can of any help. Best Regards, Hasit _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Hemendra.Acharya@faa.dot.gov Thu Apr 3 10:55:31 1997 X400-Received: by mta MTAdot1 in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; converted ( IA5-Text); Relayed; 03 Apr 1997 10:33:58 -0500 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; converted ( IA5-Text); Relayed; 03 Apr 1997 10:33:58 -0500 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 02F673343CDE6064-MTAdot1] Content-Identifier: 02F673343CDE6064 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Hemendra.Acharya@faa.dot.gov X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; Message-Id: <02F673343CDE6064*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=faa/s=Acharya/g=Hemendra/@MHS> Date: 03 Apr 1997 10:33:58 -0500 From: Hemendra Acharya To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org (Return requested), ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu (Return requested) Subject: Re: Accesses to Teple Page X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Namaskar, Pleased to know about the usefulness of the Temple Page. I have included information about this in the next issue of Hindu Vishwa also. Hemendra ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Accesses to Teple Page Author: ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu at Internet Date: 4/2/97 4:29 PM Namaskar You will be glad to know that in 4 mounts, from December till March (1996/7), 6560 people have vsited, Mandir : Hindu Temple Reference Center sponsored by VHP of America. This does not count the total hits, or pictures, or icons or secondary pages. Just the access to the main page. Considering that December is usually a "light traffic" month, no. of hits on our site are significant. regards, ajay _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Thu Apr 3 12:33:29 1997 Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 10:11:23 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: CFA : AHADC Response Pathetic Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Namaskar, We have, for the first time in the USA, embarked upon the task of gathering all the Hindu organizations and interested individuals to fight the insult to Hindu dharma and Hindu symbols. For this purpose, we have formed American Hindu Anti-Defamation Coalition. However, I have noticed that none of the participants of this forum have signed the protest note on this page. Perhaps, no one has used the tools on the web page to contact Sony/Columbia/Aerosmith either. May I urge you to please visit the website http://www.hindunet.org/anti_defamation/sony/ If out of 1 million Hindus, we do not even get 500 Hindus to sign the letter, there is hardly any chance that a corporation such as Sony or Wal-Mart will listen to us regards, ajay _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From MJMEHTA@aol.com Fri Apr 4 05:30:18 1997 From: MJMEHTA@aol.com Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 05:25:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970404052517_1021227941@emout17.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: CFA : AHADC Response Pathetic X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Dear Ajay: You have taken lead to to form AHDC which is the need of the hour. Congratulations. However, please remember that you will be required to do very hard work to reach a point when AHDC will be taken seriously by others. I am sure you recognize that to start some work is much better than thinking without action but making the work successful is even much better than starting it. Please find ways to ENROLL people to our cause. Regards Mahesh Mehta _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From HHParikh@aol.com Fri Apr 4 07:16:07 1997 From: HHParikh@aol.com Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 07:15:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <970404071533_922057758@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Accesses to Teple Page X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Congratulation on successful introduction of temple site. I visited it with some difficulty since I am not good in reaching out to various web site. Still learning and will improve. best regards, hasit _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Mon Apr 7 19:49:52 1997 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 16:28:12 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Shree Krishna's picture Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Namaskar, As I had indicated in my previous message VHP-A has undertaken the the formation of "American Hindu Anti-Defamation Coalition". For the first time in USA, we have been able to muster the support of 2 lawyers and sevral Hindu organizations in this significant cause. In 3-4 days, we have about 150 people who have signed the on-line protest book, sadly though, insignificant no. of people from VHP-GC have signed this protest book. Nor have I heard from anyone from VHP-GC contacting local organizations/temples to get them enrolled. May I once again urge VHP-GC members to access the webpage : http://www.hindunet.org/anti_defamation/sony/ and 1. sign the protest book 2. printout the letter (on AHADC letterhead) and sign up the temples and other organizations If this can be accomplished in next one week or so, it will really help our cause. regards, ajay _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From MJMEHTA@aol.com Tue Apr 8 05:36:29 1997 From: MJMEHTA@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 05:35:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970408053555_808472655@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Shree Krishna's picture X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Dear Ajay: I did sign on for anti-defamation . How do I know if the mail was received and whether it was the type of response you were looking for ? I would like to know this. Thanks Mahesh _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Thu Apr 10 19:13:53 1997 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:52:17 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: ANNOUNCEMENT : GHEN & Amar Chitra Katha Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Namaskar, It is my great pleasure to announce that Global Hindu Electronic Networks and India Publishing House have reached an agreement whereby, GHEN now has a right to put Amar Chitra Katha books on the world wide web on various sites that it operates. Amar Chitra Katha is an Indian classic, it presents Hindu dharma and great Indian heros in a cartoon format. For hundreds of thousands of children, Amar Chitra Katha is their first introduction to Hindu dharma and history of Bharat. We plan to digitize most of the Amar Chitra Katha titles over the years. We will start with the freedom fighters, and then move to the Hindu dharma related titles. We believe that inclusion of Amar Chitra Katha is a significant step towards creating "Hindu Universe for Kids" web site. Our readership will increase many fold when ACK goes on line. If you know if businesses who would like to advertise on Amar Chitra Katha pages, please let me know. Please tell your friends and family to visit Hindu Universe : http://www.hindunet.org Free India : http://www.freeindia.org regards, ajay _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Vartalapa@aol.com Fri Apr 11 10:54:35 1997 From: Vartalapa@aol.com Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 10:54:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970411105211_-866682446@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Shree Krishna's picture X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Ajay, Since coming back from Bharata, a couple of weeks back, I have had an incredible time. First my husband then I had to be hospitalized, he had a bad infection and I some Gallbladder trouble! Any way, the good news is, our second daughter had a son on the 4th of April --- name is Nishant Kheterpal. As you can tell, a lot has gone on, in three and a half weeks!!! My three months in Bharata were heavenly. Now I know why I have no desire for" Heaven"! I spent 3-4 weeks @Samskrit Bharati in Bangalore studying. I recomend their program to any one interested in some familiarity with samskrit. As you must know they are runing 10 day programes in the US too. I took photographs of some temples I visited for Gaurang bhai"s use, as requested by him.I am impressed by your efforts and would like to help sign the petitions, however I could not figure out what to do exactly. May be that is the reason for the low participation. Remember my generation is not very computer oriented! Please do forward this to all GC members, if you think it is O.K. I have tried very hard to get in touch with Kanchan but to no avail.Let me know if he is still around. Earlier he had asked me to help with some youth activities, to which I had said yes.I sent $ 500.00 to HSC for their activities for our 50th year of independence. Would like some up date on that too-or a way to get this info. Hope to hear from the appropriate people soon. Best wishes, Renu S Malhotra _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From YLakra@aol.com Fri Apr 11 14:39:58 1997 From: YLakra@aol.com Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 14:39:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970411143822_-1770494038@emout11.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT : GHEN & Amar Chitra Katha X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Dear Ajay, this is a wonderful news. This is another feather in your cap. keep up the good work. Yash. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From VICHARAK@aol.com Sun Apr 13 07:35:22 1997 From: VICHARAK@aol.com Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 07:34:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970413073450_547824660@emout11.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Amar Chira Katha X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 04/13/97 Dear Ajay: Namaste. It indeed is a milestone. I assume that you would be making an announcement to all the ethnic media about this. This may be forwarded to our Temple site as well. with our expanding presence on the internet, we would need to create an infrastructure to handle various issues such as responding to querries in timely fashion, providing updates etc. so as to remain effective and competitive. Good luck and congratulations for this achievement. Brotherly yours, Gaurang _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From MJMEHTA@aol.com Sun Apr 13 08:49:38 1997 From: MJMEHTA@aol.com Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 08:49:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970413084906_1055814410@emout11.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Shree Krishna's picture X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Dear Renubahen: Welcome. Hope you and your husband are in much better health now. Regards Mahesh Mehta _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Vartalapa@aol.com Sun Apr 13 11:33:44 1997 From: Vartalapa@aol.com Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 11:33:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970413113310_2082200401@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Addopt a village etc. X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Mahesh Bhai, I thank you for your concern. We are better, however some investigations are still going on -- it is a investigative world ,without conclusions it seems.My question pertains to the Adopt a village program, that I pledged $ 1750.00 for. Unlike our western counter parts I have not heard any more from the person. Could you please tell me what to do? Only people of our origins have such a casual attitude towards charitable support. Actually, I want to visit these places coming Dec.-- Mar. The gentlman had said it could be arranged. If I remember correctly, you told me you hsd gone there and recomend it. So please advice. In my previous note I asked for instructions on how to sign the protest, I have not heard yet. I am sure some simple instructions will facilitate our response. Did I miss the instructions or am I to know ? Again advice please. Regards,Sincerely Renu S Malhotra _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From VICHARAK@aol.com Tue Apr 15 03:04:48 1997 From: VICHARAK@aol.com Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 03:04:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970415030409_839444080@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org cc: samvad@del2.vsnl.net.in (balkrishnanaik) Subject: Sad news X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 04/14/1997 Dear GC members and Chapter Presidents: Namskaar from Gaurang. I have the responsibility of sharing this sad news with you. We are saddened to inform you of untimely death of two past members of the Governing Council of VHP of America. Dr. Mulesh Swami of Orangeburg, South Carolina passed away in late February after a brief illness. He had served the Governing Council in late eighties and early nineties. Dr. Swami, a soft spoken man was very articulate and had strong desire to see the Hindu society united. VHP of America shares the grief of his wife, Rasikabahen and family members. May God grant his soul everlasting peace. Shree Mahesh Shukla of Charlotte, NC died on March 10th. He was an ardent worker and instrumental in introducing VHP to Charlotte area. He served on the Governing Council in mid and late eighties. It was ironic that on March 8th and 9th, he was with Dr. Mahesh Mehta, escorting him to all the programs. VHP has lost a valuable asset in his sudden departure. Our heartfelt condolences to Mrs. Uma bahen Shukla and the family and our prayer to God for eternal peace for the departed soul. VHP of America has lost two valuable workers who had barely crossed sixty year mark. We pray for eternal peace for the departed souls. You may send your condolences to: Sushree Rasika Swami Sushree Uma Shukla 767 Windsor St., NW 6232 Sharon Acres Rd. Orangeburg, SC 29115-5340 Charlotte, NC 28210 Tel. : 803-536-2965 Tel.: 704-552-9264 Brotherly, Gaurang G. Vaishnav General Secretary _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From MJMEHTA@aol.com Tue Apr 15 05:37:01 1997 From: MJMEHTA@aol.com Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 05:36:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970415053629_-1402588480@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Addopt a village etc. X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Dear Renubahen: Namaste The project is "One Teacher One room Schools." Shri Anand Mohan Agarwala is our coordinator from GC. Please talk with him for your desire to visit this area. He will be very happy to make arrangements. His tel. 201-822-9355. I understand your feelings about the casual attitude. I have a long experience to deal with it. However, this particular family has devoted 25 years in tribal service. Regards Mahesh Mehta _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From MJMEHTA@aol.com Tue Apr 15 05:47:57 1997 From: MJMEHTA@aol.com Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 05:47:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970415054724_-200476990@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Fwd: Addopt a village etc. X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Re: Addopt a village etc. Date: 97-04-15 05:41:31 EDT From: MJMEHTA To: MJMEHTA I forgot to tell you about the sign on procedure. The best person to help will be Ajay Shah. If you enter the net and enter the following address, you will see the subjetc. Click that and you will see a blenk form. You can type your protest and send. Please try. http://www.hindunet.org/anti_defamation/sony/ Thanks mahesh _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From MJMEHTA@aol.com Tue Apr 15 05:51:22 1997 From: MJMEHTA@aol.com Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 05:50:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970415055051_-301147197@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Addopt a village etc. X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Dear Renubahen: I forgot to answer your second question. The best person will be Ajay Shah. Please enter Internet. And try http://www.vhp.hindunet.org/anti_defamation/sony/ You get a blank form. Enter your protest and send. Mahesh _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Tue Apr 15 18:13:57 1997 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 14:52:16 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: 1300 and Counting...have you signed? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Namaskar So far about 1300 people have signed the protest to Sony Corporation/Columbia Records/Aerosmith requesting that the cover of Nine Lives, which has a distorted picture of Shree Krishna be changed. This has turned out to be a genuine mass movement. It is also encouraging that this project is directly carried out under the VHP-A banner, and yet we see no hesitation in community support. However, there is some danger that VHP-A will not be able to gain much organizational benefit out of this movement if we do not sign up the temples and other Hindu organizations to join us in our endevor. May I request the GC members to contact their local temples and Hidu organizations and request them to sign up as members of American Hindu Anti-Defamation Coalition? This is really necessary if we were to strengthen our PR and build a network of temples that may be useful not just for similar projects but for variety of projects regards, ajay _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Vartalapa@aol.com Wed Apr 16 11:05:04 1997 From: Vartalapa@aol.com Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:10:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970416101043_973787800@emout01.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: 1300 and Counting...have you signed? X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Ajay, I signed but do not have any temple or even an asso. in G.R. Will try for individuals. Renu S Malhotra _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Wed Apr 16 18:59:45 1997 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:38:01 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: NEWS FLASH : SONY Apology!! Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Namaskar, We have just received a message (on the answering machine of our lawyer), from the SONY corporation that they will issue an apology to the Hindu community, and replace the cover of the CD by Aerosmith. SONY said that they could not "ignore the messages from thousands of Hindus" More details as they become available . . . . This is the first, and most important victory for "American Hindu Anti-Defamation Coalition", convened by VHP of America. regards, ajay _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Babu.Gandhi@trw.com Wed Apr 16 19:19:23 1997 Message-ID: Date: 16 Apr 1997 16:17:32 -0700 From: "Babu Gandhi" Subject: Re: NEWS FLASH : SONY Apolog To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; Name="Message Body" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Message Body" X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Thanks. I called few organisations. Conratulations. Babubhai Note; Will talk to you further on last night topic. ------------------------------ Date: 4/16/97 4:08 PM To: Gandhi, Babu From: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namaskar, We have just received a message (on the answering machine of our lawyer), = from the SONY corporation that they will issue an apology to the Hindu community, and replace the cover of the CD by Aerosmith. SONY said that they could not "ignore the messages from thousands of Hindu= s" More details as they become available . . . . This is the first, and most important victory for "American Hindu Anti-Defamation Coalition", convened by VHP of America. regards, ajay _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: = owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by qmgate.trw.com with ADMIN;16 Apr 1997 13:20:35 -0700 Received: from www10.clever.net by mailhub1.trw.com; Wed, 16 Apr 97 = 16:01:54 -0700 Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id = SAA10295; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 18:59:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:38:01 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: NEWS FLASH : SONY Apology!! Message-Id: = X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From p479@hopi.dtcc.edu Wed Apr 16 20:36:15 1997 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 20:36:10 -0400 (EDT) From: HARISH C PANDYA To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Sad news In-Reply-To: <970415030409_839444080@emout19.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for your massage of sad news. However I did not get the address corretly. Could you send the address again. Please write them seperately. Brotherly yours Harish Pandya _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Wed Apr 16 21:11:13 1997 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 14:24:17 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Death Ritest : For the webpage... Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org One of our readers has requested the following, could someone help? Thanks= .. ----- Forwarded message: From:=09nop27439@mail.telepac.pt (Ant=F3nio Jr.) Reply-to:=09nop27439@mail.telepac.pt To:=09vicharak@aol.com Date: 97-04-09 07:44:53 EDT Would appreciate detailed info on the above topic.Enjoyed reading about Hindu Universe. Alves Junior _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From nks@anuxv.mv.lucent.com Thu Apr 17 07:10:39 1997 From: nandsharma@lucent.com (Nand K Sharma) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 97 07:10:31 EDT Message-Id: <9704171110.AA06944@anuxv.mv.lucent.com> Original-From: nks@anuxv.mv.lucent.com (Nand K Sharma) To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: NEWS FLASH : SONY Apology!! X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Ajay: This is great news indeed. Can we somehow utilize this event (in ethnic or general media via a press release or news item) to publicize our efforts on this issue while thanking the SONY corp. for being sensitive to a Hindu issue, a win-win situation. We can perhaps get a little publicity for vigporously pursuing a Hindu issue. Thanks for your persistent efforts. Now perhaps we can get back to the Ganesh statue issue and try to strengthen the coalition, which did not happen for Sony Aerosmith issue. More later. Nand Kishore _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From cbanerj@ccs.neu.edu Thu Apr 17 10:23:41 1997 From: Chandan Bandopadhyay Message-Id: <199704171423.KAA21878@denali.ccs.neu.edu> Subject: Re: NEWS FLASH : SONY Apology!! To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:23:37 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: from "Ajay Shah" at Apr 16, 97 03:38:01 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namaste, This is a major victory. Everybody involved desreves our hearty congrats. I think, now is time to reach out to as many Hindu/Indian organizations as possible on this occasion and go back to Ganeshji in Disney issue and work on that as well. Regards, Kanchan _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Vartalapa@aol.com Thu Apr 17 11:37:01 1997 From: Vartalapa@aol.com Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 11:36:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970417113552_-1702697760@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: NEWS FLASH : SONY Apology!! X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Ajay, Congratulations!!! I am proud of you ! Renu S Malhotra _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Vartalapa@aol.com Thu Apr 17 11:46:46 1997 From: Vartalapa@aol.com Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 11:46:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970417114603_-200209031@emout14.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: NEWS FLASH : SONY Apology!! X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Kanchan, I am almost as happy to know you still exist, as I am for Sony apology! each year you call or send info. then never return my messages.If a working Nani amma can manage a few minutes (I have two grandchildren now), surely you can return my message. Anyway hope to hear soon. with love, Renu S Malhotra _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Thu Apr 17 12:09:19 1997 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 08:47:30 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: NEWS FLASH : SONY Apology!! In-Reply-To: <9704171110.AA06944@anuxv.mv.lucent.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sony Corporation will be putting the advertisement in the newspapers, in Bharat and USA, apologizing to Hindus and AHADC and VHP-A. We will be sending a press release today, a copy of which is being sent to VHP-GC Net separately After we get all that Sony has promised us, we will send them a letter of thanks as well, we have already thanked them in our press release. We have to do some organizational groundwork before the next issue is taken up, more on that in coming days . ... regards, ajay On Thu, 17 Apr 1997, Nand K Sharma wrote: > Ajay: > > This is great news indeed. Can we somehow utilize this event (in ethnic or > general media via a press release or news item) to publicize our efforts > on this issue while thanking the SONY corp. for being sensitive to a Hindu > issue, a win-win situation. > We can perhaps get a little publicity for vigporously pursuing a Hindu issue. > Thanks for your persistent efforts. Now perhaps we can get back to the Ganesh > statue issue and try to strengthen the coalition, which did not happen for > Sony Aerosmith issue. More later. > > Nand Kishore > > _____________________________ > For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Thu Apr 17 12:35:57 1997 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 09:14:06 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Press Release : AHADC Efforts Leads to Sony Apology to Hindus Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org AHADC Efforts Leads to Sony Apology to Hindus : Offending CD Cover to Be Withdrawn Immediately For Immediate Press Release ----------------------------------------- American Hindu Anti-Defamation Coalition Convened By Vishwa Hindu Parishad (World Hindu Council) of America E-mail : ahadc@hindunet.org Phone : (619) 484- 4564 or (619)674-7470 Fax : (619) 674 7471 Web : http://www.hindunet.org/anti_defamation/sony/ ------------------------------------------ The American Hindu Anti-Defamation Coalition (AHADC), is pleased to=20 announce that on April 16, 1997, the senior lawyer for Sony Music &=20 Entertainment, Inc., New York, (Sony), Mr. Joseph Salvo, contacted the attorney for AHADC, Mr. Chetan=20 P. Tanna, and issued an apology on behalf of Sony/Columbia to the entire=20 Hindu community for the offensive cover of the CD "Nine Lives" by a rock=20 group, Aerosmith. The cover of the CD "Nine Lives" portrayed a distorted and offensive=20 picture of Hindu God, Shree Krishna, which infuriated thousands of=20 Hindus around the world. Over 10 Hindu organizations, representing=20 thousands of Hindus had joined the AHADC in its protest against the=20 Sony/Columbia/Aerosmith trio. The AHADC had set up a protest site, (http://www.hindunet.org/anti_defamation/sony/) which was visited by about 10,000 people in two weeks, and over 1,400=20 persons signed individual on-line protest letters to SONY, Columbia and Aerosmith, and=20 several stores selling this CD. Sony's senior counsel said, "Sony could not ignore thousands of messages from the Hindus around the world, and had decided to immediately stop=20 the production of said CD.=94 AHADC and SONY Corporation, have verbally agreed that : 1. As of today, SONY will stop manufacturing the CD, until the cover is=20 changed. 2. SONY will try to recall the CDs from the market as much as possible. 3. SONY will provide the AHADC with the new cover for AHADC's approval=20 before publication. SONY will not use any Hindu religious symbols in any form. 4. SONY will issue a public apology to the Hindus in the Hindu/India=20 related publications, in the U.S., as well as in India, and also on the=20 SONY website called SonyOnLine. (www.music.sony.com.) The AHADC appreciates SONY's decision in response to the protest by the Hindu community around the world. The AHADC would especially like to=20 thank Blockbuster Music for assuring us earlier that they will not sell=20 the CD, unless the offensive cover was changed. The AHADC believes that SONY's actions are the due to the unity,=20 determination and hard work by the Hindu community. We thank the Hindu=20 organizations, who joined the AHADC, and all individuals who signed the=20 online protest and/or sent e-mail and letters to SONY/Columbia/Aerosmith=20 and to the stores selling this CD. A notable aspect of this protest=20 movement was that we received support also from our non-Hindu friends=20 and well-wishers! The AHADC was convened by VHP of America (World Hindu Council of=20 America), represented by Ajay Shah, Chetan P. Tanna, Vaani Chawla, and=20 Rajiv Dutta. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Thu Apr 17 12:48:37 1997 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 09:26:53 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Cc: Anand Kamlesh Parekh Subject: And a Vote of Thanks... Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Namaskar, First and foremost, thanks to all individuals on their efforts on this issue, all the calling and letter writings etc. Thanks to Viraj-ji, who along with Chetan Tanna and Vaani Chawla) independently brought this issue to everyone's notice Thanks to all the parivar organizations, who formed the core of this effort. Thanks to Anand Parekh, who sent out all the press releases. Thanks to Chetan Tanna, Vaani Chawla and Raj Dutta, who although are not active in our day-to-day activities (yet!!), worked hard on this issue. Thanks to HSC for providing the GHEN facilities and funding, which was instrumental in our movement. Thanks to all VHP-A members who signed up various temples and organizations to be a part of AHADC And finally, we have now launched a formal Hindu Anti-Defamation movement. regards, ajay _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Teleprime@aol.com Thu Apr 17 13:35:25 1997 From: Teleprime@aol.com Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 13:34:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970417133440_51474208@emout14.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: NEWS FLASH : SONY Apology!! X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Nand ji, I suggest that VHP issue a press releasae to all Indian ethnic media. This will get us some good publicity. Raj Dave' 17/April/1997 _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Thu Apr 17 14:08:20 1997 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:46:36 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: NEWS FLASH : SONY Apology!! In-Reply-To: <970417133440_51474208@emout14.mail.aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Namaskar Raj The press release is issued as VHP-A It says press release by : American Hindu Anti-Defamation Coalition (Convened by Vishwa Hindu Parishad of America) regards, ajay On Thu, 17 Apr 1997 Teleprime@aol.com wrote: > Nand ji, > > I suggest that VHP issue a press releasae to all Indian ethnic media. This > will get us some good publicity. > > Raj Dave' > 17/April/1997 > > _____________________________ > For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From cbanerj@ccs.neu.edu Thu Apr 17 14:40:13 1997 From: Chandan Bandopadhyay Message-Id: <199704171840.OAA01848@denali.ccs.neu.edu> Subject: A timely article by Dr. Frawley To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 14:40:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > American Institute of Vedic Studies > PO Box 8357, Santa Fe NM 87504 > Dr. David Frawley (Vamadeva Shastri), Director > email vedicinst@aol.com - web consciousnet.com/vedic > > A Call for an Intellectual Kshatriya = > > By David Frawley (Vamadeva Shastri) > = > > We live in the age of the information revolution, which has taken a quant= > um leap since the = > > introduction of computers. The information flood is changing the nature o= > f the society in = > > which we live in ways that we do not yet know and for which there is no p= > recedent. This = > > information revolution is in many respects an information war, with diffe= > rent groups = > > struggling to put their views out to the general public as the truth. It = > is often a disinformation = > > war as well, with groups trying to discredit those who have different vie= > ws, using the media = > > as their weapon. = > > = > > In this contest whoever puts out information first usually gains credibil= > ity by defining the = > > field. Whoever puts out information in the most sophisticated and high te= > ch manner has the = > > best audience and generally the best success in promoting their agenda. I= > n the media realm = > > packaging is more important than content and strong assertion often takes= > the role of real = > > proof. People tend to believe what has a well presented in the media, eve= > n if it is otherwise = > > biased or limited. Billions of dollars are being poured by various vested= > interest groups into = > > this information war, with religious and political groups making great ef= > forts to represent = > > themselves in this new global arena. Advertisement, public relations, and= > lobbyists are hard = > > at work, often to the highest bidder, to give a good image and strong med= > ia presence to their = > > clients, if the price is right. = > > = > > We live in a mass media dominated society, with daily exposure to some so= > rt of radio, = > > television, computer, newspaper or magazine. It has been said that the me= > dia is the message, = > > that the media itself has made itself into the focus of our lives. The me= > dia has become our = > > mind. Many of us spend more time taking in media information that interac= > ting with other = > > people or with the world of nature. These media images serve to build up = > our minds down to = > > a subconscious level. They program our behavior, a fact that advertising = > has long known and = > > sought to benefit from. = > > = > > =0D > > > Now the Western information and media culture is spreading throughout the= > entire world, = > > including what is called the third world, with the globalization of the w= > orld economy. Even = > > villages are now getting television and the other trappings of Western mo= > dernity. India, = > > China, and Asia in general are being brought under the influence of the m= > edia world. = > > = > > Unfortunately, this Western media and commercial culture continues the s= > ame goals and = > > influences as previous colonial forces, which only fifty years ago lost h= > old in Asia. This = > > commercial culture seeks to supplant native and traditional cultures with= > a Western model, = > > not only in terms of practical conveniences but in terms of thought and b= > elief. It attempts to = > > Americanize or Europeanize the world. Western religious groups, particula= > rly Christian = > > Evangelical groups, are learning to use the media for their advantage as = > well, doing = > > preaching and proselytizing, and broadcasting their mass rallies through = > the media. Yet = > > Christians as a whole use the media in Asia to promote their agenda over = > native Asian = > > religions, which the media often stereotypes as primitive. = > > = > > Islamic groups are also realizing the power of the media and spending lar= > ge sums to = > > influence public opinion in the Western world, stressing the humanistic s= > ide of Islam. The = > > Islamic lobby in the United States is one of the largest lobby groups in = > the country. In = > > Islamic countries the power of the media is recognized both for good and = > ill. The media is = > > strictly controlled by the state to project an Islamic image, and portray= > Islam only in a = > > positive light, while striving to keep the Western media and its views ou= > t. = > > = > > In the context of India the question arises where are Hindus in this info= > rmation war and = > > media presentation? The answer is that, with a few notable exceptions, Hi= > ndus generally are = > > not present or only feebly present, apologetic or half-hearted in their s= > elf-presentation in the = > > information field. The image of Hindus and of Hinduism that prevails in t= > he information age = > > is created by non-Hindus and by anti-Hindu forces, not only by intention = > but also by default = > > because Hindus themselves seldom challenge wrong views or provide an alte= > rnative. In this = > > way Hinduism is being eroded, particularly in the minds of young Hindus, = > who seldom find = > > their religion represented, or who find it denigrated in the media world = > around them that is = > > rapidly becoming their reality. = > > = > > Since independence India has been dominated by Marxist and socialist thin= > king that has = > > viewed Hinduism, with its spiritual and religious values, as its main ene= > my. Now gradually a = > > more commercial influence is arising with economic liberalization, but it= > similarly is trying = > > to undermine and replace Hindu culture, with its self-sufficiency and spi= > rituality does not = > > make for an easy commercial target. Hindu culture, which managed to survi= > ve as the = > > predominant model in India even through a thousand years of domination by= > first Islamic and = > > then European Christian influences, finds itself under a new threat, less= > overt but perhaps for = > > that very reason more dangerous. = > > = > > The intelligentsia of India since independence has been often self-righte= > ously anti-Hindu and = > > naively accepting of Western ideologies, often merely echoing or imitatin= > g the old colonial = > > and missionary propaganda against their own venerable complex religion th= > at appears alien to = > > these disenfranchised souls. The result is that the ruling political part= > ies of India have done = > > little to protect the dominant culture of the country from media distorti= > ons but have in fact = > > often encouraged these. They have used anti-Hindu propaganda projected th= > rough the media = > > both in the West and in India to try to keep Hindus suppressed and afraid= > of asserting = > > themselves, so that there is no Hindu challenge to their power. The resul= > t is that Hinduism = > > continues under siege and often with little defence, particularly in this= > new battleground. = > > Even Hindu religious groups and leaders are often more concerned about th= > eir own particular = > > faction and seldom willing to come to the defense of the culture as a who= > le. = > > = > > Clearly unless this situation is corrected the future of Hinduism is thre= > atened or at least = > > diminished. While several Hindu groups have noticed this problem, it stil= > l has yet to be faced = > > and addressed in a complete manner. Hindu society is becoming aware of th= > eir difficulty but = > > it has yet to really awaken and deal with it in the real world. = > > = > > The front line of the battle in the world today is no longer on any parti= > cular battlefield with = > > the exchange of bullets or bombs. It lies now in the media and in the inf= > ormation field, = > > which can be quite as deadly and poisoning in its results as any battlefi= > eld. Even the battles = > > that are fought with weapons gain much more importance if the media is th= > ere. A few people = > > killed in Israel can become world news and shape global strategies becaus= > e of the media. = > > Dozens of people killed in Sudan or China, where there is no media, will = > have no effect. = > > = > > In this information war a different kind of warrior is necessary and a di= > fferent strategy is = > > required. This is not an entirely new issue because there has always been= > something of an = > > information war in the clash of cultures, nations and religions that has = > occurred throughout = > > history. But today it has much more importance in the information age and= > has become the = > > central issue. = > > = > > Each culture has its intellectual defenders. These are its great thinkers= > who articulate its = > > cultural values. These intellectual defenders serve to challenge negative= > views of the culture. = > > They also serve to present a more favorable image of the culture and defi= > ne its future. = > > Hindus traditionally had their Kshatriya or warrior class to defend them.= > There has always = > > been an intellectual Kshatriya as well, those who defend the culture from= > attack in the realm = > > of ideas, which usually precedes or accompanies physical attack. = > > = > > However Hindus today have failed perhaps more than any other group to cre= > ate a defense for = > > their culture in the media world. Hindus are routinely portrayed through = > stereotypes of caste, = > > dowry deaths, widow burning, strange cults, poverty and superstition. The= > worship of Shiva = > > appears in the New York times as the phallic cult of the God of destructi= > on. Krishna is = > > portrayed in Western universities as an erotic God with questionable mora= > ls. Brahmins = > > appear in the Western media as rich landowners oppressing their poor slav= > e Shudras, right = > > out of communist propaganda stories. = > > = > > The world mass media seldom considers any Hindu point of view. Though Hin= > dus are the = > > third largest religion in the world, and the largest non-biblical traditi= > on, in many = > > presentations of world religions Hindus are left out or denigrated as pol= > ytheists, idolaters and = > > animists. Some universities in the West teach that Hinduism is not a reli= > gion at all but a = > > collection of cults mainly of a primitive nature. Such schools also teach= > that India as a nation = > > was created by the British and was otherwise just a collection of warring= > states with little in = > > common. = > > = > > Though India is the largest democracy in the world and the second most po= > pulated country, it = > > has no permanent seat on the U.N. Security Council. In events of global i= > mportance neither = > > an Indian or a Hindu point of view are given much consideration. In Bangl= > adesh Hindus are = > > under siege and frequently have their property taken from them. In Pakist= > an Hindus have = > > been almost entirely eliminated. In neither country has there ever been a= > ny prominent Hindu = > > leaders or government officials. In Fiji Hindus are routinely oppressed. = > In Malaysia they = > > have to accept an inferior position, where Hindus can be converted to Isl= > am but no Muslims = > > can become Hindus. When Hindus work in Islamic Gulf countries Hindus have= > to hide their = > > religion. Saudi Arabia requires that India send only a Muslim ambassador = > and India has = > > always meekly complied, bowing down to a nation with 1/20 its population!= > = > > = > > In India itself foreign missionary activity is perhaps at its highest poi= > nt in history, = > > particularly targeting tribal groups, even to the extent of encouraging t= > hem to secede from = > > the nation and form Christian states. In South India Catholic priests rou= > tinely dress up like = > > Hindu Swamis and go to the villages speaking of Yoga and Vedanta in order= > to convert = > > Hindus to Christianity. Yet Hindus seldom raise a voice and the world har= > dly knows of these = > > facts. And, most strangely, it is the media of India that works probably = > the hardest to = > > suppress knowledge of these goings on. = > > = > > In America the large Islamic lobbyist money works to promote a positive i= > mage of Islam and = > > does not hesitate to denigrate Hindus or India. In England Pakistanis org= > anize to create a = > > political influence and bend their politicians to criticize India on Kash= > mir, while Hindus in = > > the same country, in perhaps larger numbers and affluence, do little to c= > ounter this. There = > > are many other examples of the same phenomenon, a Hindu indifference to t= > he media that = > > puts them at a disadvantage even in their own country. = > > = > > =0D > > > What Hindus need today, in fact what the whole world needs is an intellec= > tual Kshatriya or = > > intellectual warrior class (bauddhika kshatriya). It needs a group of ded= > icated workers and > activists who uphold the Dharma against this media and information onslau= > ght. Such individuals > must be above commercial manipulation and self-promotion, working tireles= > sly to counter this = > > disinformation flood. = > > = > > Yet this movement must start in India and in the Hindu community itself t= > o be really = > > credible. For example, when Hindus in America complained against media di= > stortions of = > > Hindu groups in India to the New York Times they were told that the infor= > mation came from = > > Delhi itself. Clearly the change must start in India to have any real eff= > ect, but this can be aided > by the activities of Hindus all over the world. = > > = > > In India the English language media is generally anti-Hindu and often pro= > -Marxist. The = > > universities in India are frequently dominated by professors whose heart = > is not in the Dharma = > > of their country but in Western materialism. Kerala and Bengal today rema= > in under the yoke = > > of communist governments. In Kerala Hindu workers are being killed. In Be= > ngal Hindu = > > sadhus are commonly attacked. It is no wonder that Hindus outside of Indi= > a are subject to = > > oppression, when Hindus in India itself are under siege. = > > = > > The Vedas say that Brahma or spiritual power and Kshatra or political pow= > er must go = > > together. When Brahma or spiritual power develops it creates an appropria= > te Kshatra or = > > social power to extend its influence into society. It provides a dharmic = > order to our human = > > relations, both individual and collective. If Brahma or spiritual power f= > ails to impact the = > > social order and raise the social Dharma, then it is a sign that this Bra= > hma or spiritual power = > > itself has failed, that it is not legitimate or real. = > > = > > Sri Krishna, the great avatar, worked throughout his life to create a dha= > rmic Kshatriya, an = > > order of noble souls who could establish and sustain a dharmic social ord= > er. He was willing = > > to promote a great battle, a civil war among the Kshatriya themselves, to= > allow his = > > handpicked dharmic Kshatriya followers to gain power. He purified the Ind= > ian Kshatriya with = > > the blood of a dharmic war. Because of his great achievement a Kshatriya = > order was = > > established that maintained a dharmic society for many centuries. This ex= > ample should not be = > > lost on us today. The Kshatriya of India today, its social and political = > leaders, require a = > > similar dharmic purification, perhaps not a Kurukshetra in the literal se= > nse but a purification = > > from false values and egoistic practices that are rampant everywhere. = > > = > > Let us also look at the example of the great Swami Vidyarananya of Sringe= > ri, an Advaitin = > > and a Mayavadin, who yet inspired two Hindu Kshatriyas would had become M= > uslims to = > > reconvert to Hinduism and found the great Hindu kingdom of Vijayanagar to= > protect the = > > Dharma. Would not one say that if all is Maya or illusion, why would a gr= > eat Swami start a = > > kingdom? Such a question shows a profound misunderstanding of Hindu Dharm= > a. One can = > > only transcend the world by fulfilling one's dharma and one's karma, and = > even if one has = > > done so for oneself, one still has the duty to others to teach, guide and= > raise the world. Let = > > us also look at the example of Samartha Ramdas, who inspired the great Ki= > ng Shivaji. = > > = > > Unfortunately so far modern India has created a Prime Minister of this so= > rt of inspiration. = > > Many modern Hindus, taking up an excessive view of non-violence, have rej= > ected the idea of = > > any Hindu Kshatriya altogether. They have felt that Hindus should not hav= > e an army and = > > should not defend themselves against violence, but should rather offer th= > emselves meekly to = > > their enemies. This attitude has naturally led to the idea that Hindus sh= > ould not even = > > challenge media distortions of them. = > > = > > However in the Vedic view a country cannot exist without a Kshatriya orde= > r, which is the = > > pillar of the society. The Mahabharata states that if there is not a righ= > teous Kshatriya = > > rulership that employs the danda or is willing to punish adharma, then th= > e people will end up = > > eating each other. In the information age we could say that if Hindus do = > not create an = > > intellectual Kshatriya then the people will end up destroying themselves = > with false beliefs and = > > propaganda. = > > = > > If a dharmic Kshatriya is not created through the force of Brahma or spir= > itual knowledge, = > > then the law is that an adharmic Kshatriya will come to fill in the vacuu= > m. This is exactly = > > what occurred not only in modern India but throughout the rest of the wor= > ld. After the = > > excessive non-violence in the Indian independence movement no genuine Ksh= > atriya could or = > > was created in the country. This left the country prey to a false Kshatri= > ya, based mainly upon = > > Marxist ideals, mixed with war lord temperaments, such as we have found i= > n communist = > > countries, who similarly have misled the people and prevented the real gr= > owth of the nation. = > > = > > One must remember the example of the Sikhs in India. Originally a purely = > spiritual = > > movement, they were forced to take up arms and to adapt a Kshatriya order= > by the cruel = > > oppression perpetrated against them by the Muslim rulers of the time, in = > which torture and = > > genocide was the rule of the day. In this way they grew and flourished an= > d became a force to = > > be reckoned with. = > > = > > Unfortunately India as a whole at that time did not take up the call of S= > ikh Dharma, which = > > was the call for a real Kshatriya revival. The resurgent voice of Hindu D= > harma that both = > > Brahma and Kshatra are required, that spiritual knowledge must create a s= > trong social order = > > and discipline, was muffled. This movement of a new spiritual Kshatriya o= > f modern Hindus, = > > which the Sikhs began, needs to be completed today, not only for the gene= > ration of Hindu = > > society but for the revival of Sanatana Dharma or the universal tradition= > of truth throughout = > > the world. But it must be completed not so much in the field of arms as i= > n the field of ideas. = > > The only Kshatriya that can carry the day today is the intellectual Kshat= > riya. = > > = > > =0D > Hindus must create a new intelligentsia that has the power to overcome an= > d absorb the = > > alienated and Western dominated intellectuals of India. Hindus must proje= > ct an intellectual = > > view that is articulate and compelling. They must bring the influence of = > Sanatana Dharma to = > > the intelligentsia of the world. For a culture that has produced such thi= > nkers as the Vedic = > > seers, Upanishadic sages, Kapila, Buddha, Patanjali and Shankara, and in = > the modern times = > > Sri Aurobindo and Ramana Maharshi, this is certainly possible. In fact we= > can find in such = > > great modern figures of India as Sri Aurobindo and Swami Vivekananda good= > models of = > > intellectual Kshatriya as well as spiritual masters. Clearly the success = > of Hindus in such = > > intellectual fields as science, computers, engineering and medicine shows= > that they have the = > > capacity. What is lacking is the motivation, the guidance, and perhaps th= > e inspiration. = > > = > > Another mistake Hindus have made is being too accommodating under the gui= > se of synthesis, = > > which erodes clear thinking. Under the guise that all religions are one H= > indus hesitate to = > > develop a proper criticism, however justified, of the exclusivist creeds = > working to convert = > > them, and of other adharmic actions done in the name of religion in the w= > orld. There is also = > > the danger that in trying to attract minorities into their fold Hindu gro= > ups in India will seek = > > to appease minorities rather than to help them in a dharmic way. The true= > Kshatriya will help = > > and lead, giving a positive direction for others to follow, not merely ap= > pease and = > > accommodate in order to gain popularity. A true Kshatriya is devoted to d= > harma and cannot = > > be won over by name, fame, influence or money. = > > = > > The youth in particular need to be awakened to this call for an intellect= > ual Kshatriya. They = > > have the idealism and the vision of the future, as well as the vitality, = > but this needs to be = > > directed not only by a spiritual urge but one that addresses the problems= > of society as well. = > > To be truly relevant, particularly to the youth, this intellectual voice = > must address not only = > > the social issues of today but environmental problems, the role of scienc= > e, and the future = > > evolution of humanity. = > > = > > An intellectual Kshatriya must not merely be defensive but creative and e= > xpansive. It must = > > project a positive view of Hindu Dharma, and give it a futuristic vision.= > Its purpose is not = > > merely to adjust present or historical wrongs but chart out a new directi= > on for all to follow. = > > In this regards Hindu intellectuals must go to the universal roots of the= > ir tradition and find a = > > compelling vision that can gather people of all backgrounds, helping them= > break through = > > limited and unspiritual beliefs, toward a yogic vision of humanity. This = > is not to water down = > > Hindu Dharma but to revitalize it in the world today. This new Kshatriya = > must be willing to = > > spread Hindu Dharma in a dynamic way along the lines of the old Vedic imp= > ulse, krinvanto = > > vishwam aryam, make all the world noble. = > > = > > Such an intellectual Kshatriya must be based upon deep thought. It cannot= > be developed = > > through mere rhetoric, character assassination, or slogans. It requires n= > ot only a well thought = > > out critique but a positive program of action. It requires not only a Hin= > du examination of = > > religion, science and politics, but the creation of a Hindu alternative t= > o existing systems. It = > > also requires a model for revitalizing Hindu society itself. = > > = > > For those who wish to take up the role of intellectual Kshatriya there is= > much that can be = > > done. An intellectual Kshatriya must challenge media distortions, whether= > in schools, books, = > > newspapers, or in the media or the internet. It must also produce genuine= > information = > > expressing the truth of Sanatana Dharma, whether relative to history, art= > , politics, religion or = > > philosophy. This means a new revival in the field of Hindu education, whi= > ch is perhaps the = > > key factor. = > > = > > This Hindu intelligentsia must be willing to debate with other groups, in= > cluding exposing = > > their distortions and wrongs beliefs. It must resurrect the tradition of = > tarka or intellectual = > > debate that makes the darshanas or philosophies of Hinduism so significan= > t. It must create a = > > forum in which everything is critically examined so only truth remains. I= > n short, it must = > > wield the sword of viveka or discrimination, discerning the true from the= > false, and not = > > bowing down to ignorance anywhere. = > > = > > This new intellectual Kshatriya must also throw up an ethical challenge, = > which the challenge = > > of dharma, exposing the danger of exlusivist religious cults, materialist= > ic political = > > philosophies, and unchecked commercialism. The West throws its ethical ch= > allenge to the = > > world, criticizing other countries, including India, for a lack of human = > rights. This requires a = > > Hindu response. Let us take an obvious example, the same America that tri= > es to speak for = > > human rights and democracy all over the world is also the biggest weapons= > seller and arms = > > supplier in the world. The biggest buyers of these weapons are the Gulf O= > il producing = > > Islamic states, none of which are democracies and none of which have good= > human rights = > > records, yet none of which are under any American imposed sanctions. Clea= > rly the Western = > > voice of human rights is not truly dharmic but motivated by commercial an= > d nationalistic = > > interests. Hindus need to create an ethical alternative to such questiona= > ble Western = > > humanitarianism. = > > = > > For it to truly develop Hindu groups must cultivate and honor their intel= > lectual Kshatriya, = > > which not only includes listening to them but promoting their views, and = > funding their work = > > if necessary. They must stop hiding in the veil of spirituality and allow= > ing the forces of = > > adharma to rule the world and even pontificate over their religion, telli= > ng them what it is and = > > what it is worth. = > > = > > In Western intellectual circles the talk today is of a "clash of civiliza= > tions." This is mainly = > > spoken of as a clash between the West and Islam, or a clash between the W= > est and Chinese = > > culture. In this clash of world civilizations the Hindu has been recogniz= > ed as one of the = > > players but has already been written off as minor. Why is this the case? = > Because the Hindu = > > voice has only a small place in the world sphere whether politically, eco= > nomically or = > > intellectually. Clearly without an intellectual Kshatriya Hindus will not= > likely be part of this = > > churning out of a new world order. = > > = > > Now such may not be pleasant items for Hindus to hear. Should we rather n= > ot speak of = > > Rama and Krishna and forget this turmoil of Kali Yuga, some might say? Tr= > ue spirituality is = > > not an escape but a transcendence. A truly spiritual person can face the = > facts of the world, = > > however unpleasant, without having to turn away or without losing inner c= > omposure. This is = > > also the message of Rama and Krishna, if we really look at their lives an= > d actions. = > > = > > There are those who may fear that an intellectual Hindu Kshatriya may pro= > mote a new Hindu = > > fundamentalism or oppression of minorities in India. The Hindu Kshatriya = > tradition is not = > > one of aggression but of protection, not of forcing conversion to a relig= > ion but upholding the = > > Dharma. It is a tradition of holding to truth and creating a culture in w= > hich freedom to = > > pursue truth, not only in the outer world, but in the religious realm, is= > preserved. Is this not = > > what the global age really requires? It is time for that Kshatriya to ari= > se again. The extent = > > that it does will be the measure of the future of India and perhaps of an= > y dharmic revival in = > > this generally adharmic world. Let us hope that this call is heeded! Who = > is there to answer = > > it? = > _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From nks@anuxv.mv.lucent.com Thu Apr 17 17:17:44 1997 From: nandsharma@lucent.com (Nand K Sharma) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 97 16:46:53 EDT Message-Id: <9704172046.AA26986@anuxv.mv.lucent.com> Original-From: nks@anuxv.mv.lucent.com (Nand K Sharma) To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: NEWS FLASH : SONY Apology!! X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Raj Dave ji, So nice to hear from you after a long time. I had the same reaction as you did, and sent an email to Ajay earlier this morning to that effect. I just saw another email from him, and he informed me that he has already sent a press release on behalf ot he Anti-Hindu Defamation Coalition to several news papers. Also, Sony Corp. is going to issue an apology to Hindus the world over about this misuse in the next few days. Thanks to Ajay and his team that his issue got resolved rather quickly. We also have to appreciate the sensitivity of the Sony Corp., and we will be sending them a thank you letter as well. As you know there are other similar issues e.g. Ganesha statue in Disneyland ride as well as Om fragrance which we need to continue to work on. However, the resolution of this issue gives us a much needed boost. I hope we can keep in frequent touch. More later. Brotherly, Nand Kishore _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Babu.Gandhi@trw.com Thu Apr 17 17:38:01 1997 Message-ID: Date: 17 Apr 1997 14:36:11 -0700 From: "Babu Gandhi" Subject: Re: Death Ritest : For the w To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; Name="Message Body" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Message Body" X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply to: RE>Death Ritest : For the webpage... I will try to answer specific questions if you write in detail or call 310-812-9133 Thanks Namaste Babubhai Gandhi ------------------------------ Date: 4/16/97 6:18 PM To: Gandhi, Babu From: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org One of our readers has requested the following, could someone help? = Thanks.. ----- Forwarded message: From: nop27439@mail.telepac.pt (AntUnio Jr.) Reply-to: nop27439@mail.telepac.pt To: vicharak@aol.com Date: 97-04-09 07:44:53 EDT Would appreciate detailed info on the above topic.Enjoyed reading about Hindu Universe. Alves Junior _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: = owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by qmgate.trw.com with ADMIN;16 Apr 1997 17:59:07 -0700 Received: from www10.clever.net by mailhub1.trw.com; Wed, 16 Apr 97 = 18:13:12 -0700 Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id = VAA15701; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 21:11:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 14:24:17 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Death Ritest : For the webpage... Message-Id: = X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From VICHARAK@aol.com Thu Apr 17 19:32:49 1997 From: VICHARAK@aol.com Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 19:32:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970417193059_1120258785@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org cc: samvad@del2.vsnl.net.in (subhashg.deo) Subject: Re: M.Swami & M. Shukla X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 04/17/1997 Dear Brothers & Sisters: My attention is drawn to the fact that the addresses I provided for Rasikabahen Swami and Umabahen Shukla wer intertwined (I do not know why- some notepad error, I believe.). Here I send them agian in proper format. My apologies and also thanks to Harishbhai Pandya for drawing my attention to this. Brotherly, Gaurang G. Vaishanv Here are the addresses: Sushree Rasika Swami 767 Windsor St., NW Orangeburg, SC 29115-5340 Tel.: 803-536-2965 Sushree Uma Shukla 6232 Sharon Acres Rd. Charlotte, NC 28210 Tel.: 704-552-9264 _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From VICHARAK@aol.com Thu Apr 17 20:18:09 1997 From: VICHARAK@aol.com Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 20:17:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970417201644_-1803282798@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org cc: samvad@del2.vsnl.net.in (ashokjisinghal) Subject: Re: Sony Issue X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 04/17/1997 Dear Governing Council Members and Chapter Presidents/Cordiantors: Namaste from Gaurang. I join all of you in the happiness ensuing out of SONY corporation's decision to stop selling Aerosmith CD with the offensive cover and deciding to tender apolgies to the Hindu society. This has far reaching significance. One, if we are united with a purpose, results would be achieved. Second, time is of essence in public issues of this nature. Quick action rather than long philosophical discussions does yield desirable results. Third, Multinational corporations with high stakes in Bharateeya market will be sensitive to emotions of Hindus. Fourth, People not connected with VHP of America, even some Muslims ( I saw at least one name in a quick glance of protest letters) and Christians have suported us. This means that we have taken first step in attracting other organizations to our work. Now, it is up to each one of us, individually and collectively to build on this success and build true rapport with temples and Hindu minded organizations in the USA. Fifth, issues of these nature will come up from time to time- e.g., we still have on our hand issue of Shree Ganeshaji's statue in the Disneyland as well OM fragrance- and we will need a well structured organization with capability of crack commando team to identify the issues, weigh their importance, plan strategy and take the issue to its logical conclusion. This is not a one man job! You must offer your services, if you are so inclined, or/and identify people in your community with special talents and interest to strengthen this effort. Remember, there are umpteen number of articles and broadcast derogatory of Hindu society, Hindu Dharma and Bharat.. and then there are Pat Robertsons! Lastly, this herlads birth of American Hindu Anti-Defamation Coalition with a BANG!! While many people have worked on this issue, Ajay Shah from VHP of America team deserves appreciation and thanks from all of us. He was quick to identify the opportunity, plan a strategy and work at it relentlessly. Surely, Ajay has proved the benefit of being on Internet, of which he has been an advocate for a number of years. Also, our thanks go out especially to Chetna P. Tanna, Vani Chawla and Rajiv Dutta for being in the forefront of this fight and giving us valuable legal guidance and assistance. Ajay, a job well done! Please continue with the same vigor and foresight. Brotherly yours, Gaurang G. Vaishnav General Secretary _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ragarwal@mednet.med.miami.edu Fri Apr 18 15:44:56 1997 From: ragarwal@mednet.med.miami.edu Date: Fri, 18 Apr 97 15:50:06 EST Message-Id: <9703188614.AA861403459@mednet.med.miami.edu> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re[2]: NEWS FLASH : SONY Apology!! X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 congratulations to every hindu and to Ajay in particular. We must utilize this as much as possible morally as well as financially if possible. I agree SONY may understand the language of $ more clearly than mere words of apology. Good news! Ram Prakash Agarwal ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: NEWS FLASH : SONY Apology!! Author: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org at smtpmed Date: 4/17/97 7:10 AM Ajay: This is great news indeed. Can we somehow utilize this event (in ethnic or general media via a press release or news item) to publicize our efforts on this issue while thanking the SONY corp. for being sensitive to a Hindu issue, a win-win situation. We can perhaps get a little publicity for vigporously pursuing a Hindu issue. Thanks for your persistent efforts. Now perhaps we can get back to the Ganesh statue issue and try to strengthen the coalition, which did not happen for Sony Aerosmith issue. More later. Nand Kishore _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From YLakra@aol.com Fri Apr 18 18:54:21 1997 From: YLakra@aol.com Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 18:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970418185343_-734638901@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Press Release : AHADC Efforts Leads to Sony Apology to Hindus X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Dear Ajay, congratulations. You did it. This was a very commendable effort on your part. You deserve the credit for this tough job accomplished in an organized way. Yash . _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From VICHARAK@aol.com Sat Apr 19 00:09:08 1997 From: VICHARAK@aol.com Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 00:08:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970419000832_-1368739626@emout01.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Congrats from Bharat X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 04/18/1997 Dear GC members & Chapter Presidents: The following is received from VHP, New Delhi (on behalf of Mananiya Ashokji Singhal). Brotherly, Garuang ==================================================== " Dear Shri Gaurangji, We send you a warm hearted abhinandan for the withdrawal of the obnoxious Nine Lives CD released by Sony. Many from this country had immediately joined the issue(including this writer, Shri Gautam Chatterji and Shri Jai Bhan Pawaiya, Bajarang Dal President) thanks to the Internet connection. Subhash G. Deo Directoe, Media Centre" _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From VICHARAK@aol.com Sat Apr 19 00:12:37 1997 From: VICHARAK@aol.com Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 00:12:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970419001202_-1702506408@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Interesting news.. X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 4/18/1997 Following is from headlines of IndiaWorld on 4/18/1997. Microphones for azaan cause sound pollution: Calcutta High Court (IE) The court rejected the prayer of 12 Muslim organisations for using microphones during azaan (call for prayer) and the two Ids in a year. Uttar Pradesh: Lucknow ban on Moharram march to stay, says Mayawati (IE) The follows disturbances earlier in the week. Gaurang _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Vartalapa@aol.com Mon Apr 21 11:06:22 1997 From: Vartalapa@aol.com Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 11:05:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970421110543_572651201@emout20.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Interesting news.. X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Gaurang Bhai, Nice to see us getting organised & getting results! I wonder if you read my letter telling about our Grandson, Nishant"s birth. Also I took some photographs of Temples for your use. Do let me know what I should do with them. Are you coming to Detroit on May 10th? Regards, Renu S Malhotra _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Vartalapa@aol.com Mon Apr 21 11:24:39 1997 From: Vartalapa@aol.com Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 11:24:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970421112400_-1199972782@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Sony Issue X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Gaurang Bhai, Namaskaar, It good to see us getting organised & responding! I wonder if you read my letter about the birth of our grandson, Nishant? Also I brought some photographs as requested by you of some temples I visited. Please advice what you want done. May be I will see you at Detroit on May 10th. With regards, Renu S Malhotra _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ragarwal@mednet.med.miami.edu Tue Apr 22 09:42:42 1997 From: ragarwal@mednet.med.miami.edu Date: Tue, 22 Apr 97 09:47:42 EST Message-Id: <9703228617.AA861727326@mednet.med.miami.edu> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: please help! X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Yesterday, I went to Wall Mart and noticed that they have a lot of Nine lives CDs on display and sale. Whwn I told the manager that they should be off the shelf as Sony has recalled them, she said, that she had no information and no direction from their Head Office. I Think Sony is making us a fool, they already have brought out millions of CD's and making money. In my opinion we should make them financial liable for this. Then and then only they will listen. What action should we take against the Wall Mart in question? Please let me know. Thanks Ram Prakash Agarwal _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From nks@anuxv.mv.lucent.com Tue Apr 22 17:19:17 1997 From: nandsharma@lucent.com (Nand K Sharma) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 97 17:19:01 EDT Message-Id: <9704222119.AA21744@anuxv.mv.lucent.com> Original-From: nks@anuxv.mv.lucent.com (Nand K Sharma) To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: please help! X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Ajay: I believe the first step following the information from Agarwalji re. A Aerosmith Albums in large numbers at Walmart is to inform Sony's lawyer about this fact. It is possible that it may take them several weeks before they can inform all thier outlets about recalling albums, but we should find out from Sony throught their lawyer as to what their game plan is about taking these offensive (to Hindus) albus off the shelves. Can you or our lawyer follow up on this and inform the vhpgc/hindunet people? Thanks Nand Kishore _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From SSOMANI@wpsmtp.siumed.edu Wed Apr 23 10:27:21 1997 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 09:21:43 -0600 From: Satu Somani To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Interesting news.. -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bhai Gaurang: I have not talked to you nor I sent you any message nor I interacted with the e-mail from so many dedicated worker of VHP of Ame. I should be participating in the internet activity which I would do now onward. We recently had a meeting in Chicago and Dr. Lakra presented the overview of many aspects VHP activities. We wish to have similar meeting in Springfield which would cover Central and Southern Illinois mid size cities and towns of Illinois, such as Carbondale, Matton, Charleston, Decatur, Bloomington, Peoria, Macomb. Each of these towns have Universities. Hopefully, we can expand our activities. We have talked to Dr. Lakra about it. We want either he or you or Dr. Mehta to participate in this meeting. We scheduled for May 18, but we will have to postpone it. I will call you about it later on. I am just leaving for Washington DC. I have been invited by US Congress to testify on "Gulf War Syndrome" on April 24, thursday. I have written quite a bit on nerve agents in my book on Chemical Warfare Agents. I will also be talking about Interaction of exercise and drugs. I have quoted Susruta in my written testimony. Susruta, the father of Indian Medicine, Ayurveda (600 B.C.), described the effects of exercise on health " EXERCISE IS ESSENTIAL FOR GOOD HEALTH, AND IT IS THE ONLY WAY TO REDUCE FAT, GAIN STRENGTH: IT SHOULD BE FOLLOWED BY MASSAGE. A MAN SHOULD EXERCISE UP TO THE ONSET OF RAPID BREATHING EVERY DAY IN ALL SEASONS; MORE THAN THIS MAY MAKE HIM ILL. STRONG WINDS AND HOT SUN MUST BE AVOIDED." (Translated by G.D.Singhal and T.J.S. Patterson, 1993, from Susruta Samhita IV.24.38.51, 75-85). This quote has a meaning for Gulf War veterans that physical exertion has potentiated the effects of drugs and chemicals. In fact I quoted this in my recent book on "Pharmacology in Exercise and Sports". This quote is being appreciated by some scientists who work in the exercise field-basic research. This is just for your information. Pl send me your tel. no. With best wishes, Satu Somani. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From SSOMANI@wpsmtp.siumed.edu Wed Apr 23 10:30:21 1997 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 09:25:01 -0600 From: Satu Somani To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Press Release : AHADC Efforts Leads to Sony Apology to Hindus -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bhai Lakraji: I am just leaving for Wash. DC. I will call you after my return. We will have to postpone the meeting. Satu _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From nks@anuxv.mv.lucent.com Thu Apr 24 16:53:08 1997 From: nandsharma@lucent.com (Nand K Sharma) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 97 16:52:07 EDT Message-Id: <9704242052.AA01644@anuxv.mv.lucent.com> Original-From: nks@anuxv.mv.lucent.com (Nand K Sharma) To: ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Cc: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: PR issues X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Ajay: Following your wonderful accomplishment of the successful resolution of the Sony "Aerosmith" album issue, I had sent you an email based on Ram Prakashjji Agarwal's email that he had seen lots of these albums in his local Walmart store. I do not know if you had received that mail and had a chance to follow up with the Sony lawyer who had originally called our lawyer. Please advise. Also, you had sent a press release to several news papers. Was it published? May be our VHP GC members from different areas can respond to this question. There was another good suggestion made by Vijay Pallod and communicated to me by Sh. Virendra Parikh, and that was to send a letter to various Hindu org.s including temples describing how VHP took a leadership role in mobilizing Hindu opinions working through the coalition and getting this issue resolved to our satisfaction. This will help in our future interactions with them. Please let me know what you think of this, and how we can proceed. For the next issue of Ganesha statue in the "Temple of Doom" ride at the Disneyworld, I would like to suggest that in addition to the Internet we should get a petition/letter addressed to the Disneyworld Public Relations Dept. or even their President on the Hindu Coalition letterhead as you and I had discussed several weeks ago. Many organizations or their board members still do not use Internet, and working with them with a well-drafted letter will prove to be more effective at least in the short range. If we have such a letter in the next few days, then I can take the next step of engaging our GC members in contacting their local Hindu organizations and drumming up support/get them to sign the petition etc. Please let me have your comments on this as well. What help do we need to make this happen. This weekend I will be in Detroit but I would like to followup with you next week. I will await your email response in the mean time. Best wishes. Nand Kishore _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ragarwal@mednet.med.miami.edu Thu Apr 24 17:28:46 1997 From: ragarwal@mednet.med.miami.edu Date: Thu, 24 Apr 97 17:33:39 EST Message-Id: <9703248619.AA861928084@mednet.med.miami.edu> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: PR issues X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 I agree that this accomplishment should be advertised or brought to the notice of most of the Hindus as an effort of VHP -HSC etc. Last week we had a Ramnavaumi celebration in Miami area which was attended by about 250 people. I made this announcement as the effort of our pariver through AHADC. It was received very positively. At least in our areas we can annouce it in temples and other gatherings because time is more important for such things. Ram Prakash Agarwal ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: PR issues Author: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org at smtpmed Date: 4/24/97 4:52 PM Ajay: Following your wonderful accomplishment of the successful resolution of the Sony "Aerosmith" album issue, I had sent you an email based on Ram Prakashjji Agarwal's email that he had seen lots of these albums in his local Walmart store. I do not know if you had received that mail and had a chance to follow up with the Sony lawyer who had originally called our lawyer. Please advise. Also, you had sent a press release to several news papers. Was it published? May be our VHP GC members from different areas can respond to this question. There was another good suggestion made by Vijay Pallod and communicated to me by Sh. Virendra Parikh, and that was to send a letter to various Hindu org.s including temples describing how VHP took a leadership role in mobilizing Hindu opinions working through the coalition and getting this issue resolved to our satisfaction. This will help in our future interactions with them. Please let me know what you think of this, and how we can proceed. For the next issue of Ganesha statue in the "Temple of Doom" ride at the Disneyworld, I would like to suggest that in addition to the Internet we should get a petition/letter addressed to the Disneyworld Public Relations Dept. or even their President on the Hindu Coalition letterhead as you and I had discussed several weeks ago. Many organizations or their board members still do not use Internet, and working with them with a well-drafted letter will prove to be more effective at least in the short range. If we have such a letter in the next few days, then I can take the next step of engaging our GC members in contacting their local Hindu organizations and drumming up support/get them to sign the petition etc. Please let me have your comments on this as well. What help do we need to make this happen. This weekend I will be in Detroit but I would like to followup with you next week. I will await your email response in the mean time. Best wishes. Nand Kishore _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From VICHARAK@aol.com Thu Apr 24 23:37:45 1997 From: VICHARAK@aol.com Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 23:37:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970424233738_-31649255@emout18.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: More sad news.. X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 04/24/1997 Dear brothers and sisters: Namaste from Gaurang. I regret to inform you that Shree Yogeshbhai Naik's mother passed away today in Bharat after a very brief illness. She was 70 years old. Yogeshbhai has left for Bharat and will return on May 9th. You may contact him/Nitignabahen at 167 Keats Ave., Elizabeth, NJ 07208. Tel. # (908) 289-8077. Early last month, Shree Girish Gandhi's mother in law passed away in Bharat at the age of 68. You may contact Girishbhai and Bakulabahen at 4 McBride Way, Bridgewater, NJ 08807. Tel. # 9908) 722-8818. On behalf of all of us, I offer heartfelt condolences to the bereaved families and pray to Ishwar for granting eternal peace to the departed souls. Brotherly, Gaurang _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Fri Apr 25 17:54:40 1997 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 14:33:04 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: PR issues In-Reply-To: <9704242052.AA01644@anuxv.mv.lucent.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Namaskar My e-mail ws down, so I do not know when this message was first sent. If there is a delay in response, my apologies. On Thu, 24 Apr 1997, Nand K Sharma wrote: > Ajay: > > Following your wonderful accomplishment of the successful resolution of the > Sony "Aerosmith" album issue, I had sent you an email based on Ram Prakashjji > Agarwal's email that he had seen lots of these albums in his local Walmart > store. I do not know if you had received that mail and had a chance to follow > up with the Sony lawyer who had originally called our lawyer. Please advise. 1. Sony lawyer has sent our lawyer an apology from Aerosmith, but not SONY it self yet. Although he had promised this verbally 2. We are continuing the process until we get a formal letter of apology from SONY 3. We are contacting major stores and chains almost daily, trying to request them to get the CD off the shelves. So far, Blockbuster Music is the only chain which has done this. K-Mart has said that Aerosmith is not going to manufacturing, but they have not yet pulled the CD from their own shelves. So what can we do? Well, we in our own communities can go to Wal Mart, K-mart etc. and tell the manager that we as Hindus find this CD offensive, we know that Aerosmith has formally, in writing apologized, so the store ought to pull the CD from the shelf. This is the community action that must go on in each community. > > Also, you had sent a press release to several news papers. Was it published? I have received phone calls from all major Indian/US newspapers. In may of the papers this is a first page news. I doubt that any major newspaper has missed this story. But, I would like to : 1. find out if any news paper has missed this story 2. if possible get a clipping from hte various newspapers > May be our VHP GC members from different areas can respond to this question. > There was another good suggestion made by Vijay Pallod and communicated to me > by Sh. Virendra Parikh, and that was to send a letter to various Hindu org.s > including temples describing how VHP took a leadership role in mobilizing > Hindu opinions working through the coalition and getting this issue resolved > to our satisfaction. This will help in our future interactions with them. > Please let me know what you think of this, and how we can proceed. > Sure. THis is worht doing. We have a fairly extensive listing of temples on our Temple Home page, I think that VHP office should take up the task of sending the letter > For the next issue of Ganesha statue in the "Temple of Doom" ride at the > Disneyworld, I would like to suggest that in addition to the Internet we Organizationally speaking, I do not, at this time believe that we should take up any high profile issue any time soon. Here is why : 1. We still need to do some mop-up work on the SONY/Aerosmith issue. This will take a few more weeks. 2. We need to follow a mass campaign with a consolidation effort. E.g., devise an orgnizational structure, methodology etc. for AHADC. 3. Do ground work. E.g., get supporter database, pr database etc. in correct order for future work 4. Make sure that people do not perceive us as taking issue after issue, just for the sake of publicity. So, even though the issue is genuine it needs to be spaced out. Of course, we do need to be very careful about taking up the issue, so while Ganesha issue is really important and significant, it may still need to be put on the back burner for a while (for strategic reasons). Nand Kishorji has also mentioned about the letter being sent to the heads of th organization etc. on Ganesha issue. I already have a letter to be sent to all the organizations etc. (and I had e-mailed/faxed this letter to everyone). So be assuted that all the ground work required for the Ganesha issue is already done. But IMHO, the time is not right...yet!! So what kind of issue should be taken up next? I would suggest that the next issue that is taken up does not involve as much people-to-people work as it does require work on the legal etc. aspects on our part. E.g., there is a judge in Alabama who allows 10 commandments based prayers in his court room but not Hindu prayers. Now, we as AHADC/VHP-A can file friend of the court petition etc. SO we will still stay in the nws, but since we will not be involved in any mass action program, other than those of us involved int he legal affaiirs will get a chance to consolidate the gains made in Aerosmith action. I do not foresee us taking up more than 2-4 major issues a year at least for now. We are in this for a long haul... regards, ajay _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From HHParikh@aol.com Fri May 2 14:17:09 1997 From: HHParikh@aol.com Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 22:00:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970501215922_-1333403864@emout11.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: PR issues X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Ajay, Congratulation to you and your team sor a successful conclusion to the issue of Sony/Aerosmith record. I have read a good reporting by India Abroad on this issue (though they have put into very much inside. I will forward it to you by mail. I agree on new project as well as Ganesh project to do good homework and do it right. I have shared your thoughts to our local community members and now will forward earlier letter to local organization for their support. Once again congratulation for the good work, keep it up. Thank you and Best Regards, Hasit PS: Sorry for delayed reply since Conn Chapter of VHP had organized satsang during April 23rd to April 29th with Swami Pratygbodhanandaji of Arsha Vidya Gurukulam. Four day Swamaji talked on "Vision of the Geeta" ten selected verses, and talked for two days on Bhagawatam. I will provide more details in few days to you all. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ghen@www10.clever.net Sun May 4 23:15:20 1997 From: VICHARAK@aol.com Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 23:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970504231407_1820003255@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-list@hindunet.org cc: kulkarni@hal-pc.org (bethkulkarni) Subject: Fwd: News Release-Texas Chapter Annual Dinner MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org 05/04/1997 Dear G.C. members and Chapter Presidents: Namaste. I am pleased to forward you this report form Houston chapter. It not only shows the consistent efforts of this chapter and its success but also their ability to promptly put out a well written press release about the event. I urge you to take a leaf from the book of Houston and report your activities (which I know that many of you are doing under VHP banner) for consumption of the media as well as for the use of this office. Well done Houston chapter! Brotherly, Gaurang G. Vaishnav General Secretary VHP of America --------------------- Forwarded message: From: kulkarni@hal-pc.org (Beth Kulkarni) To: VICHARAK@AOL.COM Date: 97-04-30 02:29:08 EDT I am sending you this news release at the request of Vijay Pallod. Beth _____________________________________________ Vishwa Hindu Parishad of America Texas Chapter News Release - April 27, 1996 Prepared by Beth Kulkarni, (713) 467-3022. Photos provided by Vijay Pallod, (281) 368-5360, x 113. VHP and HSS Youth–Active Participants in Service Project Fundraising The Annual Dinner of the Texas Chapter of Vishwa Hindu Parishad of America was held Saturday, April 26, 1997, at 7 p.m. at the Gaurang Hall in northwest Houston. The purpose of the dinner was to raise funds for Hindu Students Council’s Freedom Festival 1997 and VHP-A Seva projects. In large part this fund raising program was by the youth of the community and for youth, here and in Bharat (India.) The success of the dinner, to many, lies not only in the fact that it grossed over $35,300 for charity, but that it involved the whole-hearted participation of many young people who are already becoming the leaders of their generation. The popular patriotic song “Vande Mataram” was presented by Vandan Nayak and Group. Shri Subhash Gupta, Chapter President, welcomed the guests and spoke of Vishwa Hindu Parishad’s objective to unify Hindus. He mentioned the role of VHP in the recent protest movement which led Sony and the rock band Aerosmith to replace the CD “Nine Lives” label offensive to Hindus with a non-offensive one. The Master of Ceremonies was Dr. Kamlesh Lulla, flight scientist at NASA. Throughout the evening Dr. Lulla provided inspiration and enthusiasm, whether recounting his childhood in India, his experiences at NASA or announcing the many pledges and donations. He quoted a text he has studied while he was a young professor who wanted to know more about the ancient history of India: “National feeling did not exist in India (Hindu nation) and even the martial class had little sense of patriotism.” Dr. Lulla went on to say that “this challenge we face was the same over one thousand years ago. The victory over SONY is a small step forward but we have a long way to go. But all long marches begin with a small step. Let us go further in the cause of unity.” Presentation of the plans and activities for the Freedom Festival 1997 Project of the Hindu Students Council was made by Sandeep Gupta, HSS Coordinater for the Southwest region, and members of the University of Houston Chapter of HSC. Bharat Darshan, a slide presentation incorporating writings from both Indian and Western writers was also coordinated and narrated by HSC members. A special treat was the reading of short essays by three elementary and middle school students on “What I like about India.” Visits with family as well as seeing the temples and zoos were mentioned by the youngsters. Bhava Geet was sung by Sujata Amin and Nikita Malani, young students of Prakash Nayak at Keshav Smruti. Fundraising appeals were made by Dr. Yaswant Pathak-RSS worker coordinating the Africa region and currently touring the US and meeting with all HSC chapters., Dr. Meena Parikh of Victoria, Ms. Rakhi Israni-law student at University of Houston, and Amit Misra-a founding member of HSC and local attorney. Amit recalled performing Lakshmi pooja alone in his dorm room during his first Divali away from home. A year and a half later, in April 1991, the HSC inaugural meeting was held in New Jersey . “Only six years later, and we have dozens of chapters across the country with thousands of active members.” Although the program indicated that the Seva program slide presentation would be by M. B. Shintri, a local CPA and college instructor, it was actually by his ninth grade daughter Gauri, who asked her father to allow her the opportunity to share this information with the 300 attendees. Her enthusiasm for the Seva projects was evident. Gauri’s leadership abilities have been strengthened by her weekly involvement in HSS Shaka for several years. Hindu youth award presentations were nominated by organizations having an organized youth program. They were recognized for their volunteer service and for their “making their parents and their organizations proud of them.” Dipam D. Patel and Jignesh G. Patel (Bochasanwasi Akshar Purusottam Swaminarayan Sanstha), Vairavan S. Subramanian, Jr. (Sri Meenakshi Temple), Rajat Chopra (Vivekananda Vedanta Society), Amol Desai and Radhika Makecha (Chinmaya Mission Houston), Jignesh A. Jain (Jain Society of Houston), Neal Kamal Kathuria (Arya Samaj of Houston), Gauri Shintri and Rishi Master (Vishwa Hindu Parishad of America-Texas Chapter) were honored. Vinod Patel, local pharmacist and businessman, presented the awards. Mr. Patel noted that the emphasis on youth activities and the way in which VHP defends Hinduism were two of the aspects of VHP that he appreciates. Following a delicious vegetarian dinner catered by India’s, there was a program of patriotic songs by the Vandan Nayak group. The vote of thanks was by Shri Virendra Parikh, overall coordinator of the program and national treasurer of VHP of America. Thanks to the generous donations of many families and individuals, the Texas Chapter of Vishwa Hindu Parishad of America will be able to provide generous support for the Hindu Students Council’s Freedom Festival 1997 and VHP-America’s Seva projects. Even some elementary school children were inspired and gave donations from their allowances. Subhash Gupta expressed the feeling of many of the adults, stating that “our generation feels a great deal of pride and satisfaction in seeing the young people taking such an active role in the program.” _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From p479@hopi.dtcc.edu Mon May 5 00:11:57 1997 Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 00:11:38 -0400 (EDT) From: HARISH C PANDYA To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Fwd: News Release-Texas Chapter Annual Dinner In-Reply-To: <970504231407_1820003255@emout19.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Congratulations Texas Chapter. Job Well done. Harish Pandya _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From HHParikh@aol.com Mon May 5 07:30:20 1997 From: HHParikh@aol.com Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 07:29:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970505072947_-1064672699@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: PR issues X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 In a message dated 97-05-02 14:39:13 EDT, you write: << Ajay, Congratulation to you and your team sor a successful conclusion to the issue of Sony/Aerosmith record. I have read a good reporting by India Abroad on this issue (though they have put into very much inside. I will forward it to you by mail. I agree on new project as well as Ganesh project to do good homework and do it right. I have shared your thoughts to our local community members and now will forward earlier letter to local organization for their support. Once again congratulation for the good work, keep it up. Thank you and Best Regards, Hasit PS: Sorry for delayed reply since Conn Chapter of VHP had organized satsang during April 23rd to April 29th with Swami Pratygbodhanandaji of Arsha Vidya Gurukulam. Four day Swamaji talked on "Vision of the Geeta" ten selected verses, and talked for two days on Bhagawatam. I will provide more details in few days to you all. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >> _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Babu.Gandhi@trw.com Tue May 6 12:08:05 1997 Message-ID: Date: 6 May 1997 09:03:44 -0700 From: "Babu Gandhi" Subject: Re: Fwd: News Release-Texas To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; Name="Message Body" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Message Body" X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Harishji I need your mailing address. Babubhai Gandhi ------------------------------ Date: 5/4/97 9:24 PM To: Gandhi, Babu From: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Congratulations Texas Chapter. Job Well done. Harish Pandya _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: = owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by qmgate.trw.com with ADMIN;4 May 1997 21:07:57 -0700 Received: from www10.clever.net by mailhub1.trw.com; Sun, 4 May 97 = 21:19:01 -0700 Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id = AAA26636; Mon, 5 May 1997 00:12:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 00:11:38 -0400 (EDT) From: HARISH C PANDYA To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Fwd: News Release-Texas Chapter Annual Dinner In-Reply-To: <970504231407_1820003255@emout19.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From p479@hopi.dtcc.edu Tue May 6 19:53:09 1997 Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 19:53:04 -0400 (EDT) From: HARISH C PANDYA To: Babu Gandhi cc: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Fwd: News Release-Texas In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear BabuJi Jai Shri Ram Thanks for remembering me. Where is Harish Dhru thise days. I have been trying to get in touch with him since Holi. I have 213-257-3079 as his home phone. I have left message on that number but there is no reply from there. Could you let me know his correct phone number. My address is Harish C. Pandya 26 Keith Street Newark, DE 19713 Brotherly yours Harish Pandya On 6 May 1997, Babu Gandhi wrote: > Harishji > I need your mailing address. > Babubhai Gandhi > ------------------------------ > Date: 5/4/97 9:24 PM > To: Gandhi, Babu > From: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > Congratulations Texas Chapter. Job Well done. > Harish Pandya > > > _____________________________ > For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > > ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ > Received: by qmgate.trw.com with ADMIN;4 May 1997 21:07:57 -0700 > Received: from www10.clever.net by mailhub1.trw.com; Sun, 4 May 97 21:19:01 -0700 > Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id AAA26636; Mon, 5 May 1997 00:12:20 -0400 (EDT) > Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 00:11:38 -0400 (EDT) > From: HARISH C PANDYA > To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Subject: Re: Fwd: News Release-Texas Chapter Annual Dinner > In-Reply-To: <970504231407_1820003255@emout19.mail.aol.com> > Message-ID: > X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > > > _____________________________ > For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Pallod@aol.com Tue May 6 20:19:48 1997 From: Pallod@aol.com Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 20:19:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970506200309_550325062@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: News Release-Texas Chapter Annual Dinner X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Thanks for your comments. I will mailing pictures and other information this week. Please include Beth name in our press releases. At present I am working on 14 International Ramayan conference. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From HHParikh@aol.com Thu May 8 07:45:42 1997 From: HHParikh@aol.com Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 07:45:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970508074507_1289787282@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: News Release-Texas Chapter Annual Dinner X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Thank you Gaurangbhai for the news release on Texas Chapter's activity. Congratulation to all for job well done, hope this can provide insperation to many more Chapters. Today we had an excellent oppertunity to meet Shri Yashvant Pathakji at my home and shared his experiences of his HSC tour. I have short audio tape if anyone is intrested. Pl. let me know if you like to have a copy. Best Regards, Hasit _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Thu May 8 19:49:48 1997 Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 16:28:02 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Urgent (fwd) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have receied the following from Bharat. Any takers? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 14:13:36 -0700 From: vvsharma To: Ajay Shah Subject: Urgent Hare Krishna Dear Ajay Shah, BJP MLA Shri Mangal Prabhat Lodha, is visiting USA somewhere in late May, 1997, along with 5 associates. Mangalji is a strong advocate of Hindutva, and would like to meet like-minded people in the US. It would be nice if we can coordinate something, so that he can hold meetings with NRIs and speak with them. Mangalji's, itenary is currently not available, but if you are interested, and can arrange for meetings with the Indian Community, who are in favor of Hindutva, I shall send it to you. Treat this as extremely urgent, and let me know. Sincerely, Vishal Sharma. PS I may be out of India from 30th April, 1997 to 5th May, 1997. So if my reply is delayed, please do not be confused. This matter is of utmost urgency. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From cbando@lynx.dac.neu.edu Fri May 9 01:00:10 1997 From: Chandan Bandopadhyay Message-Id: <199705090500.BAA09778@lynx.dac.neu.edu> Subject: How Sony fooled AHADC and what we can do To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 01:00:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ------------- How Sony fooled AHADC and what we can do *----------------------------------------------------------------------* ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 7 May 97 13:06:59 EDT From: "Viraj Sardesai" Subject: How Sony fooled AHADC and what we can do +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Sony's disfiguring of Krishna's picture on the album 'Nine Lives' It has been nearly 3 plus weeks since the verbal apology was advertised all over the nets to the applause of HRs and others. But the cat with 'Nine Lives' had already slipped thru the net. Even now the written apology has not been received and of course no note came on HRinfo or other nets on that. Obviously, once the victory was claimed the support and need to maintain signature and letter writing campaign disappeared. No one will sign on to a campaign that is over, right ? But the written apology as well as those promised in Indian and US newspapers never arrived. Why would they, if the pressure on Sony was eased by the early victory declaration by Ajay Shah and Chetan Tanna and VaaNi. Now AHADC is threatening stronger action ! What will it be ? Gandhian hunger strike, or satyagraha or fast unto death ? The album is not doing that great anyway, only one song in # 22 slot few weeks ago. You create a ruckus, you bring the album into headlines, its sales soar, Sony profits. They did not give an apology, forget about they seeking your opinion on future releases. So who is smarter Sony or ..? Those showering accolades, will you now shower criticism too ? Or is it a family matter ? So lesson no. n ... Never ever claim victory until the surrender is in initialed. Yet, there is a way. There is a proverb -- if you close the nose, mouth will open. Only way, Sony will respond is if AHADC takes actions which will hurt Sony's motive behind the release -- profits. If you resort to violence, or protests they benefit. So that is no way. Here is what you do .. get the copy of the picture printed on the cover and original ISKON picture with color laser copiers. Write a letter addressed to all prominent Hindu singers in India and give them proof how Sony insulted Hindu sentiments and appeal to Indian singer's Hinduness to ask for a boycott by them of Sony. If not we should appeal that atleast they should double their fees when dealing with Columbia/Sony. You approach the singers thru Mangeshkars, you may /just may be will succeed. And you HAVE a contact to Mangeshkars. Once the major singers in India agree, you got Sony by the you know what. Of course thinking has always been optional. Your friendly house critic Viraj ------------------------------ Chandan cbando@lynx.neu.edu **************************************************************************** * "This life is short, the vanities of the world are transient, but they * * alone live who live for others, the rest are more dead than alive" * * - Vishwa Vivek * **************************************************************************** _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Fri May 9 13:21:31 1997 Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 09:59:26 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: How Sony fooled AHADC and what we can do Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Namaskar, Since Chandanda has chose to post the article by a supporter of Hindutva but a consistent opponent of VHP and RSS on VHP GC Net, and chose to skip my response to this original post, I guess, I have to do it my self. Omissions, IMHO, whether intentional or otherwise can create confusion.. When a mass movement is undertaken, there are many reasons why it is undertaken, and why each step is taken etc. What is victory is also a subjective issue. E.g., most people in VHP EB and GC know that the clearly predefined *organizational* objectives of the AHADC led movement were 1. Start a Hindu Anti-Defamation movement in USA 2. Have this movement run under the name of VHP-A 3. Contact and build a database of supporting organizations 4. Contact and build a database of supporting individuals 5. Gain organizational recognition in mass media (front page on every major newspaper xcept IA, also reporting in TOI, IE etc.) 6. Gain recognition in US mainstream media 7. Ensure that the mega-corporations recognize the Hindu concerns 8. Produce tangible results, which would galvanize the Hindu community towards movements such as this (I was very encouraged by the reports that Houston program recognized this movement). I urge VHP-GC to judge the success/failure of AHADC against these pre-defined objectives I am sure that there are enough people, inside and outside, who are going to scrutinize and criticize this, or any other movement. I say to them, you are important and you are welcome, it keep those of us who are working on projects such as these on our toes. Thank you! Now, here is my original response to Viraj Sardesai : ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Ajay Shah To: Viraj Sardesai Cc: hr talk Subject: Re: How Sony fooled AHADC and what we can do AHADC has planned more actions. more details will follow. However, your details are somewhat incorrect. Sony did send a written apology, only that the written apology issued by SONY (on its letterhead) was issued by Aerosmith, and propagated by SONY's PR department and legal department. The project was a success, because it was for the first time, a major gobal multi-national. It was also widely publiciszed, globally..first for the Hindu Anti-Defamation movement. From Houston to LA and NY to Chicago, I hear of a new "Can DO" spirit of Hindus due to the success of AHADC's movement. On Wed, 7 May 1997, Viraj Sardesai wrote: > > But the written apology as well as those promised in Indian and US newspapers > never arrived. Why would they, if the pressure on Sony was eased by the > early victory declaration by Ajay Shah and Chetan Tanna and VaaNi. SONY did send the Aerosmith apology...however, more action is being planned > > Now AHADC is threatening stronger action ! What will it be ? Gandhian hunger > strike, or satyagraha or fast unto death ? The album is not doing that great > anyway, only one song in # 22 slot few weeks ago. You create a ruckus, you > bring the album into headlines, its sales soar, Sony profits. > And more BLAH BLAH BLAH of your anti-Mahatma Gandhi ramblings . . . No SONY lost in the publicity battle. Album was no. 1 before the protest not after that. Sales have not sored. Your statements are, baseless (without actual numbers). > So who is smarter Sony or ..? I would guess that you are... > > Those showering accolades, will you now shower criticism too ? Or is it a > family matter ? > Please do...."family" is now used to your constructive criticism :-( > So lesson no. n ... Never ever claim victory until the surrender is in > initialed. We had our reasons to issue the press releases we issued. They may not be palatable to some or all, but as > > Here is what you do .. get the copy of the picture printed on the cover and > original ISKON picture with color laser copiers. Write a letter addressed to > all prominent Hindu singers in India and give them proof how Sony insulted > Hindu sentiments and appeal to Indian singer's Hinduness to ask for a boycott > by them of Sony. If not we should appeal that atleast they should double > their fees when dealing with Columbia/Sony. You approach the singers thru > Mangeshkars, you may /just may be will succeed. And you HAVE a contact to > Mangeshkars. Thanks...this is (finally) a good suggestion > > Of course thinking has always been optional. So is nasty criticism..I suppose. > > Your friendly house critic Your friendly in-house recepient of the criticism... > Viraj > regards, ajay _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From dfrv@sunset.backbone.olemiss.edu Sun May 11 10:16:51 1997 Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 09:16:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Rajiv Varma X-Sender: dfrv@sunset.backbone.olemiss.edu To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: FYI: Attack on Dada Athavale Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jagdish Parikh Newsgroups: alt.india.progressive Subject: Protest of Award to Pandurang Shastri Athavale Date: 3 May 1997 21:09:31 GMT ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 21:41:52 -0400 Reply-to: DATPERS - DAlit & Tribal PEoples Resource Site From: Sam Lanfranco Subject: Protest of Award to Pandurang Shastri Athavale To: DATPERS@YORKU.CA ----------------------------------------------------------------- Objections to Templeton Prize Award to Pandurang Shastri Athavale ----------------------------------------------------------------- With the award scheduled for May 6th, numbers of Dalit Groups and others around the globe are protesting the award being given Pandurang Shastri Athavale. During Nelson Mandela's visit to India, and in response to requests from dalit, untouchable, and other groups, Mandela had a visit to the Athavale Centre deleted from the list of visit activities. The following documents consist of: 1. A 'clip' is taken from the Web Page of the Templeton Foundation. 2. Letter from Council for Social Justice (Ahmedabad), to Ambedkar Centre for Justice and Peace (Toronto) - protesting the award. 3. Letter from Ambedkar Centre for Justice & Peace to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II asking that the ceremony be postposed while H.R.H. looks into the issue ----------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Clip from http://www.templeton.org/ TEMPLETON FOUNDATION PRESS RELEASE FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Donald Lehr (212) 967-8200 March 5, 1997 11:00 Hours (New York) Eastern Standard Time PANDURANG SHASTRI ATHAVALE WINS 1997 TEMPLETON PRIZE FOR PROGRESS IN RELIGION NEW YORK, March 5, 1997 -- Pandurang Shastri Athavale, founder and leader of a spiritual self-knowledge movement in India that has liberated millions from the shackles of poverty and moral dissipation, has won the 1997 Templeton Prize for Progress in Religion. The announcement of the award was made at a news conference today at the Church Center for the United Nations. In honor of the 25th anniversary of the prize, H.R.H. Prince Philip will present the award to Athavale at a public ceremony, scheduled to be held in Westminster Abbey on May 6th. Begun in 1972 by renowned global investor Sir John Templeton, the prize is given each year to a living person who has shown extraordinary originality in advancing humankind's understanding of God and/or spirituality. The Templeton Prize -- valued at 750,000 pounds sterling, about $1.21 million -- is the world's largest annual monetary award. With less than 20 co-workers in 1954, Athavale (pronounced Ah-TAH-vah-lee), 76, began bhaktiferi (devotional visits) to the villages around Bombay to spread a message of love for God and love for all people, considered by the workers to be God's children. Believing in self- knowledge as the preliminary condition for an inner growth that leads to a loving, enlightened, social concern and outreach, Athavale initiated the practice of swadhyaya -- a Sanskrit word that roughly translates to self-study. Swadhyaya (pronounced swah-DEE-ah) has spread to nearly 100,000 villages across India and is estimated to have directly improved the lives of 20 million people. Based on the Bhagavad Gita (Song of God), the holiest text in the Hindu religion, Athavale's philosophy asks people to recognize the inner presence of God which, he says, leads to a sense of self-esteem as well as an awareness of the divine presence within all persons. Again and again throughout India and other parts of the world, this belief that all persons are divine brothers and sisters in the family of God has led to the betterment of individuals and communities. [more material on web site: http://www.templeton.org/ ] ---------- Response from India ----------------------------- Letter Sent by Council for Social Justice [spelling errors as sent]: Council for Social Justice 236/2. Dr. Ambedkar Street, Near Futti Masjid, Dariapur, AHMEDABAD, 380 001 INDIA 1st May 1997 To: Mr. Yogesh Varhade Ambedkar centre for justice & peace, P.B. No. 846, Station - P, Toronto, Ontario Canada Dear Brother Yogesh Varhde, As per our telephonic talk, I send you excerpts from Pangurang Athvle's Sanskrit Chintan. The book in its tenth edition having ten thousand copies, publised by Vallabhdas J. Zaver, Satvichar Darshan, Vimal Jyoti, 6/8, Dr. Wilson Street, V.P.Road, Mumbai - 400004 in june 1994. The casteist, racist, facist, anti-women and anti-dalit ideas of Pandurang, which have been exposed in the excepts [from Pandurang Athavale's Sanskriti Chintan and attached as four pages to the letter] will shock all humanitarian, liberal freedom-loving people across the continent and will create justful anger against the Brhaminic Hitler of India. For us the Templeton Award being given to Athavle is like giving an award of non-vioilence to the Butcher. Let civilized society know that they are giving volumius amount and award of international prestige to such kind of a person like Athavle who is a Hitler in disguise. We support your good cause of protesting the presentation of the Templeton Award to Athavle. Like minded people in India and Gujarat will also demonstrate and mobilize against Brahminic - racist ideology. We are publishing a book titled 'Vulture's Thoughts on Culture' Please keep us informed about the developments in this regard, yours sincerely (Valjibhai Patel, Secretary) ----------------------------------- Poster's Note: The four pages of quotes from Athavale are a defense of caste, slavery, child brides, attacking the notion of 'rights', opposing women's liberation, limiting women's schooling such that "they should be taught [only] linguistic." and noting the uselessness of teaching them geometry and algebra. He referes to the (quote) "Caste system is a beautiful thing...Shudras created from legs and Brhamins from mouth... What a beautiful metaphor." He declares "Equal opportunity a fraud. "Chatur varna Vyashta (four graded caste system) comprises all ways for the making of socialist nation." ... etc. etc. ----------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- AMBEDKAR CENTRE FOR JUSTICE AND PEACE - Message to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth asking for a postponement of the award ceremony --------------------------------------------------------------------- By Fax: Toronto, 30th April 1997 [Through H.E. Romeo LeBlanc, Governor General of Canada Attention: Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II London, Great Britain RE: H.R.H. Prince Phillip presenting The John Templeton Foundation Award 1997 to Pandurang Shastri Athavale in Westminister Abbey on May 6th, 1997 - POSTPONEMENT REQUEST Your Majesty: We appreciate highly the philanthropic work done by the Royal Family and its contribution to Humanity. We praise also the good work done by The John Templeton Foundation to promote the religion and science for humanity as it happened in the past through this award. Unfortunately, the selection committee failed to get all aspects of [the] contribution of Mr. Athavale including his firm blief and propagation of [the] Caste System, the practice of Untouchability and maintaining [the] "status quo' for the most marginalized people in the world - The Untouchables - 250 million in South Asia. His associates also maintain the practice of not even drinking a cup of water or eating and socializing [with untouchables] except [to have them 'singing in temples as children of God". His book "Cultural Thinking (Sanskrit Chintan) 1987, reprint '95" states clearly that "Caste System is good and must be maintained" (article enclosed {in Fax to London]). The Untouchables are still segregated, in all villages in India, including area of Athavale's work. This fact is hidden because [the] 100% controlled High Caste Hindu press in India is glorifying Athavale for keeping Caste System in-tact and thus maintaining SLAVERY. When Mr. Nelson Mandela visited India in 1994. he had to cancel his visit to [the] Athavalae Centre due to its discrimination. We have [a] lot of evidence which shows that Athavale's CLAIM of creating Castelss SOCIETY is untrue and baseless for he believes in Hindu Religion which states ALL HUMAN BEINGS ARE NOT BORN EQUAL? Royal Family will definitely consider these facts for their above participation and H.R.H. Prince Phillip will be kind enough to ask for postponement of award ceremony till the evidence is verified. Dalits (Untouchables) in Great Britain and around the world are very UPSET and they are sure that the western civil society will not be the party to promote racism. With all the due respect to H.R.H. Prince Phillip and The Templeton Foundation, Dalits in Great Britain will arrange a protest march at the ceremony place if their request for postponement goes unattended, I am informed. Would you be kind enough to look into this and let us know if your request is headed, along with acknowledgment for this letter. Our Centre will certainly be thankful for your kindness. Yours sincerely in struggle for just society, Yogesh Varhade, President, ACJP [ENCL: Article on Athavale's writings, Ottawa Citizen newspaper article on Yogesh Varhade and ACJP, Press Release from U.S. dalit support group.] --------- end of ACJP letter to the Queen --------------------- end of posting - posted by Sam Lanfranco _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From VICHARAK@aol.com Mon May 12 20:14:22 1997 From: VICHARAK@aol.com Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 20:13:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970512201240_1290304935@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: ajay@hindunet.org cc: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org, ashnug@aol.com (ramgoswami) Subject: Re: How Sony fooled AHADC and what we can do X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 5/12/1997 Dear Ajaybhai: No need to even answer some of these criticisms. It is always easy to sit in armchair and second guess other's work. We Bharatiyas are very good at that any way. As one of our inspirers once said: " Our people know exactly what Morarjibhai (the then Prime Minister) should do or what Adavniji should do etc.; only they do not know what they should do". Keep up your efforts; I have no doubt in my mind that all the members of VHP GC look on your achievement in this reagrd with pride. Brotherly, Gaurang _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Babu.Gandhi@trw.com Mon May 12 20:57:02 1997 Message-ID: Date: 12 May 1997 17:55:19 -0700 From: "Babu Gandhi" Subject: Re: How Sony fooled AHADC a To: ajay@hindunet.org, vhpgc-l@hindunet.org, "ramgoswami" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; Name="Message Body" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Message Body" X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Ajay The awkening you have created has made these critics awake, hopefully = they will realise the next step is to do the work. Congratulations on the well start. Babubhai Gandhi ------------------------------ Date: 5/12/97 5:27 PM To: Gandhi, Babu From: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org 5/12/1997 Dear Ajaybhai: No need to even answer some of these criticisms. It is always easy to sit = in armchair and second guess other's work. We Bharatiyas are very good at = that any way. As one of our inspirers once said: " Our people know exactly = what Morarjibhai (the then Prime Minister) should do or what Adavniji should = do etc.; only they do not know what they should do". Keep up your efforts; I have no doubt in my mind that all the members of = VHP GC look on your achievement in this reagrd with pride. Brotherly, Gaurang _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: = owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by qmgate.trw.com with ADMIN;12 May 1997 17:13:41 -0700 Received: from www10.clever.net by mailhub1.trw.com; Mon, 12 May 97 = 17:16:31 -0700 Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id = UAA00599; Mon, 12 May 1997 20:14:36 -0400 (EDT) From: VICHARAK@aol.com Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 20:13:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970512201240_1290304935@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: ajay@hindunet.org cc: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org, ashnug@aol.com (ramgoswami) Subject: Re: How Sony fooled AHADC and what we can do X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From cbando@lynx.dac.neu.edu Mon May 12 21:07:39 1997 From: Chandan Bandopadhyay Message-Id: <199705130107.VAA02822@lynx.dac.neu.edu> Subject: Clarification To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 21:07:34 -0400 (EDT) Cc: ajay@hindunet.org, ashnug@aol.com In-Reply-To: from "Babu Gandhi" at May 12, 97 05:55:19 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namaste, I agree with Babuuncle. We should not forget that our greater critics are not outside of us, but within us. By doing this we can certainly identify our true friends. It was indeed a wake us call to all of us. Keep up the great work -- Ajaybhai and other team members. We are all proud of you. regards > > Ajay > The awkening you have created has made these critics awake, hopefully they will realise the next step is to do the work. > Congratulations on the well start. > Babubhai Gandhi > ------------------------------ > Date: 5/12/97 5:27 PM > To: Gandhi, Babu > From: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > 5/12/1997 > > Dear Ajaybhai: > > No need to even answer some of these criticisms. It is always easy to sit in > armchair and second guess other's work. We Bharatiyas are very good at that > any way. As one of our inspirers once said: " Our people know exactly what > Morarjibhai (the then Prime Minister) should do or what Adavniji should do > etc.; only they do not know what they should do". > > Keep up your efforts; I have no doubt in my mind that all the members of VHP > GC look on your achievement in this reagrd with pride. > > Brotherly, > > Gaurang > > _____________________________ > For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > > ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ > Received: by qmgate.trw.com with ADMIN;12 May 1997 17:13:41 -0700 > Received: from www10.clever.net by mailhub1.trw.com; Mon, 12 May 97 17:16:31 -0700 > Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id UAA00599; Mon, 12 May 1997 20:14:36 -0400 (EDT) > From: VICHARAK@aol.com > Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 20:13:42 -0400 (EDT) > Message-ID: <970512201240_1290304935@emout04.mail.aol.com> > To: ajay@hindunet.org > cc: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org, > ashnug@aol.com (ramgoswami) > Subject: Re: How Sony fooled AHADC and what we can do > X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > > > _____________________________ > For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > Chandan cbando@lynx.neu.edu **************************************************************************** * "This life is short, the vanities of the world are transient, but they * * alone live who live for others, the rest are more dead than alive" * * - Vishwa Vivek * **************************************************************************** _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From YLakra@aol.com Fri May 16 23:39:57 1997 From: YLakra@aol.com Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 23:39:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970516233922_-1331742677@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: How Sony fooled AHADC and what we can do X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Dear Ajay, this is a belted reply, but I agree with you one hundred percent. The effort was unique and organized and achieved its objective to a great extent. The most significant achievement is it breaks a new ground in the field of Hindu behaviour. Hindus are so used to taking it lying down and nothing fazes them any more. Your efforts showed them and they will think twice before any body "messes with Hindus ", Yash. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Vartalapa@aol.com Sun May 18 10:25:37 1997 From: Vartalapa@aol.com Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 10:25:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970518102504_404424314@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org cc: hsc@umcc.umich.eud Subject: Re: need legal help X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 This is for anyone who wants to donate some 'legal advice time' to VHP as and when needed. Our experience tells us that in the present time of mass marketing &multi- nationals, often some item or slogen is put forth which offends a certain group. I would like to think ,some of this is just a result of ignorance, insensivity and lack of imagination. However, the people who do not raise a hue & cry are targeted again and again. So it has become our ( Hindus,that is, about issues related to us) job to do some educating as well as protesting when necessary. Therefore, we would like to enlist the help of a few attorneys who would be able to guide us whenever an occasion arises. If you are a person of appropriate background and able to help please contact the following person: Smt.Renu S Malhotra email vartalapa@aol.com Ph 616-949-2946 _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From MJMEHTA@aol.com Mon May 19 05:26:32 1997 From: MJMEHTA@aol.com Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 05:26:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970519052601_114871769@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: How Sony fooled AHADC and what we can do X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Did any one of you hear the news of withdrawl of the album by SONY on Radio program ? Haril informed me that the news was on local station. Mahesh _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From MJMEHTA@aol.com Mon May 19 05:28:55 1997 From: MJMEHTA@aol.com Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 05:28:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970519052823_1391394918@emout17.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: need legal help X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Good work. Mahesh _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ameya@worldnet.att.net Thu May 22 00:25:11 1997 X-Sender: ameya@postoffice.worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From: VIJAY G RUIKAR Subject: Re: How Sony fooled AHADC and what we can do Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 04:24:40 +0000 Message-ID: <19970522042438.AAA25353@LOCALNAME> X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Dear Sri Ajaybhai: In my opinion,the AHADC campaign against the nasty portrayal of Lord Sri Krishna was highly successful.You and the Hindu sisters/brothers who joined the campaign deserve the highest compliments. For those who felt that the campaign did not succeed, here is a thought from Margaret Meade,a prominent thinker and prolific writer of her time:"Let us never underestimate the power of a small group of well-meaning,concerned citizens to change the ways of the world for the better.This is indeed the only thing that has brought about any social change." Please continue the good work! _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From cbanerj@ccs.neu.edu Thu May 22 17:34:19 1997 From: Chandan Bandopadhyay Message-Id: <199705222134.RAA06472@denali.ccs.neu.edu> Subject: Can we do something with these saints coming from Bharat To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 17:34:16 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <970504231407_1820003255@emout19.mail.aol.com> from "VICHARAK@aol.com" at May 4, 97 11:14:09 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namaste, Several well-known saints who were closely involved in the RJB movement in Bharat are visiting USA from first week of July to end of July. They are coming to Holland to attend a program by Maharshi Mahesh Yogi and then coming to USA again sponsored by Maharshi Institiutes in the USA. One person from LA, his name is Anshuman Misra, also a friend of Deepak Chopra has called me to see if we can organize events in various places with the Swamijis (public programs). As you know many of our workers are busy with FF97 programs, it is not the best time to have such programs in many places. However, if any of our GC member is interested to host any program please feel free to contact Shri Misra directly. Names of some of these Swamijis: Nityagopal Das, Ramchandra Paramhans, Avaidyanathji, Saileshji Maharaj and Avichal Das Maharajji. THere are several others. Two of them are MPs. Shri Misra is a Sangh sympathizer. His number is 573-443-2090, extensions 120 and 110. This is a hotel and he has a office there. Youc can leave message for him. Regards, Kanchan Banerjee _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From VICHARAK@aol.com Wed May 28 22:02:33 1997 From: VICHARAK@aol.com Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 22:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970528220117_353715753@emout17.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org cc: kulkarni@hal-pc.org (bethkulkarni), Anshug@aol.com, ameya@worldnet.att.net, modhd@pfizer.com Subject: Fwd: 14th International Ramayana Conference MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org 5/28/1997 Dear Brothers and Sisters: Namaste. here is an interesting report from Houston. Our thanks to Beth Kulkarni and Vijay Pallod. Brotherly, Gaurang G. Vaishnav --------------------- Forwarded message: From: kulkarni@hal-pc.org (Beth Kulkarni) To: VICHARAK@AOL.COM CC: Hemendra.Acharya@faa.dot.gov Date: 97-05-27 21:41:08 EDT Vijay Pallod has asked me to send this to you with the request that it also be put on the Internet. I hope you find it interesting. Press Release Date: May 24, 1997 Timing: For Immediate Release Prepared by: Mrs. Beth Sharad Kulkarni (e-mail: kulkarni@hal-pc.org) Refer Questions to: Vijay Pallod (281) 368-5360 (x113) FAX (281) 368-5372 or International Chairman Shri Lallan Prasad Vyas at (281) 550-5877 (home of Usha Mehra) Photos: Krishna Giri __________________ 14th International Ramayana Conference held in Houston, Texas, May 23rd-25th featured a dance drama on the life of Lord Ram, lectures by Ramayana scholars from five continents, a grand musical evening and, according to the delegates, great hospitality. The drama, held in one of Houston’s finest theaters, Wortham Center, was presented by over thirty dancers of the East-West School of Dance of Monroe, New York and directed by Pandit Satya Narayana Charka, was the main feature of the inaugural event. Eight episodes of the life of Lord Rama were presented, climaxing in the battle of Ram and Ravana in which Ram wins with the help of the devoted monkey Hanuman. The colorful costumes, variety of music including bhajans and chanting from the Ramcharitmanas, the very dramatic style and the excellent narration by Joan Suval of the Ananda Ashram were enjoyed by the international delegates as well as Houstonians. The drama kept the interest of young and old, Hindu and non-Hindu alike. The spiritual inauguration was a week earlier at Sri Meenakshi Temple in Pearland, the third traditional Hindu temple in North American and the first temple in North America with a Goddess as presiding deity. Temple priests with Sri Upendra Ji Maharaj, a Gayatri devotee from near Kanpur, and other local priests performed a Gayatri Yagna as the beginning of the conference. Conference delegates also visited the temple on Monday as a part of the post-conference activities. They were welcomed and given a tour of the temple by Dr. G. S. Gopalakrishna, Advisory Council member and Mrs. Beth Sharad Kulkarni, former temple trustee and editor of temple publications. Saturday evening Drs. Arun Kumar Sen and Aneeta Sen and son Shekhar Sen presented “Geet Ramanyan” at Hindu Worship Society as part of a musical evening that included other devotional songs as well. The conferences began in 1984 in Lord Rama’s birthplace, Ayodhya, on the marriage anniversary (Vivah Panchami) of Shri Ram and Sitaji. According to Shri Lallan Prasad Vyas, Secretary-General of the Vishwa Sahitya Sanskriti and the Conferences International Chairman, in his inaugural speech, “man has moved far from an ideal human being in spite of achieving the utmost materialistic advancement. We therefore have to try to evolve a new world order deriving inspiration from the Ramayan. . . .Ram and his companions have not only given a perfect system for the good of the human being but it has also shown ways and means of becoming a good human being for the betterment of society.” The conference series has been an opportunity for scholars from India, South-East Asia, the Far East, Europe, Mexico, the Caribbean and South America to meet and present papers and exchange ideas. This year’s section topics were “Ramayan and the Future World Order,” “Ramayan and World Literature and Culture,” “Ramayan as a Basis for Universal Dharma,” “Science, Spirituality and the Ramayan,” “Science in the Ramayan,” and “The Ramayan: A Cultural Link Among Peoples of Indian Origin.” Professor Jin Ding Han, who has translated Tulsi Das’ “Ramachritmanas” into Chinese in verse, spoke contrasting the teachings of Confucianism and the Ramayan. Of interest to many of the scholars and the topic of several papers were the many different versions of the Ramayan among the mostly non-Hindu countries of South East Asia. However, unfortunately, scholars studying the regional Indian versions of the Ramanaya were not represented at the conference. Dr. Miguel De Mora of Mexico spoke of both religious and literary aspects of the Valmiki and Tulsi Das’ Ramayanas. He stated that Ramayan has “made God within the reach of millions” as well as “made God beautiful.” Dr. Pradeepta of Indonesia expressed the universality of its message, saying that “All people, not just leaders, can learn behavior from the Ramayan.” Dr. Usha Shukla of South Africa also emphasised universality when she stated that “Ram Bhakti is for the entire world.” While many of the delegates gave a literary and/or spiritual approach to the Ramayan, Mallkarjun Rao of Osmania University approached the subject from a historical and geographical perspective. In the concluding session, delegates gave their impressions of the conference. Dr. Ding Han who conducted the 13th conference in China last year, speaking in Hindi, stated that this was the best conference yet. He was appreciative, as were many others, of being accommodated in the home of one of the local hosts. Dr. Ohno Toru of Japan spoke of the benefit of meeting many scholars of the Ramayan. Pundit Ram Lalji who has attended the conferences since their inception gave some personal insights into the conferences and the personality of their founder. Mrs. Radhika Srinivasan of Singapore who spoke eloquently on the role of Sita and her intuitive strength stated that the conference gave “food for thought as well as for the spirit.” Dr. Ramaratna, an Indian delegate, thanked all the organizers and hosts saying that hospitality was extended as never before, including transportation from the airport and around town, lodging and food. Dr. De Mora complemented the organizers saying that this was one of the best organized conferences yet. Helping to organize the conference this year were the International Hindi Association; Bhartiya Vidya Bhavan, USA; and Hindus of Greater Houston, a group which sponsors community-wide celebrations of Janmashtami thus promoting Hindu unity. Mrs. Usha Mehra, local coordinator, has said that “planning the conference has been a spiritual experience. I have learned the beauty of teamwork and the strength of faith. Nearly all the Indian organizations in Houston have participated in some way, becoming a more unified community.” Youth in Hindu Student Council were among those who gave of their time and talents. This was the first time the conference which has been held in China, several other Asian countries, Europe and Canada has been held in the United States but hopefully not the last. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Thu Jun 12 17:14:19 1997 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 13:18:40 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: CFA RESULTS : SONY Saga : Good News Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A trip to Wal-Mart last night revealed that Aerosmith has replaced the old offending cover with a redesigned cover. All the CDs I found in our local store had this new jacket. Once again, my profound thanks to all those who contributed to this cause. regards, ajay _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From MJMEHTA@aol.com Fri Jun 13 05:47:08 1997 From: MJMEHTA@aol.com Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 05:46:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970613054637_781041779@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: CFA RESULTS : SONY Saga : Good News X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Dear Ajay: Excellent work done by you thru e-mail. It has demonstrated the power of this new tool in tackling issues. Regards Mahesh _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ragarwal@mednet.med.miami.edu Fri Jun 13 09:46:58 1997 From: ragarwal@mednet.med.miami.edu Date: Fri, 13 Jun 97 09:51:44 EST Message-Id: <9705138662.AA866220528@mednet.med.miami.edu> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: CFA RESULTS : SONY Saga : Good News X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Dear Ajay Congratulations on the work well done.It was a bold step. And definitely has made an impact. With regards Ram Prakash ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: CFA RESULTS : SONY Saga : Good News Author: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org at smtpmed Date: 6/12/97 5:22 PM A trip to Wal-Mart last night revealed that Aerosmith has replaced the old offending cover with a redesigned cover. All the CDs I found in our local store had this new jacket. Once again, my profound thanks to all those who contributed to this cause. regards, ajay _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Babu.Gandhi@trw.com Fri Jun 13 12:34:57 1997 Message-ID: Date: 13 Jun 1997 09:20:16 -0700 From: "Babu Gandhi" Subject: Re: CFA RESULTS : SONY Saga To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; Name="Message Body" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Message Body" X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Ajay My daughter's wedding is on 16 June Monday at Los Angeles. Please try to attend. I invite all our families (GC) and Sangh Pariwar. Babu Gandhi ------------------------------ Date: 6/13/97 7:10 AM To: Gandhi, Babu From: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Dear Ajay Congratulations on the work well done.It was a bold step. And definitely has made an impact. With regards Ram Prakash ______________________________ Reply Separator = _________________________________ Subject: CFA RESULTS : SONY Saga : Good News Author: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org at smtpmed Date: 6/12/97 5:22 PM A trip to Wal-Mart last night revealed that Aerosmith has replaced the old offending cover with a redesigned cover. All the CDs I found in our local store had this new jacket. Once again, my profound thanks to all those who contributed to this = cause. regards, ajay _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org= Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: = owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by qmgate.trw.com with ADMIN;13 Jun 1997 06:46:09 -0700 Received: from www10.clever.net by mailhub1.trw.com; Fri, 13 Jun 97 = 06:48:48 -0700 Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id = JAA09528; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 09:47:01 -0400 (EDT) From: ragarwal@mednet.med.miami.edu Date: Fri, 13 Jun 97 09:51:44 EST Message-Id: <9705138662.AA866220528@mednet.med.miami.edu> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: CFA RESULTS : SONY Saga : Good News X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Fri Jun 13 12:55:07 1997 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 08:58:58 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: CFA RESULTS : SONY Saga : Good News In-Reply-To: <970613054637_781041779@emout02.mail.aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Namaskar Maheshbhai Thank you for the message. Although you are correct in saying that this project demonstrated the power of a new tool, i.e., internet, in achieving our ends, I think that it demonstrates something else more profoundly. This "something else" is the fact that using the VHP name, we can gather people together, from around the world, and focus them on a Hindu issue. People will follow, if we provide the lead. The HSC experiment has shown the same thing, and so has the American Hindu Anti-Defamation experiment. Novelty of e-mail will wear someday, perhaps sooner rather than later, but the urge of Hindus to unite on issues, and our need to cater to this urge will remain. regards, ajay On Fri, 13 Jun 1997 MJMEHTA@aol.com wrote: > Dear Ajay: > Excellent work done by you thru e-mail. It has demonstrated the power of this > new tool in tackling issues. > Regards > Mahesh > _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From HHParikh@aol.com Fri Jun 13 22:07:03 1997 From: HHParikh@aol.com Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 22:06:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970613220624_254631803@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: CFA RESULTS : SONY Saga : Good News X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Happy to get Maheshbhai's E mail in good news on Sony saga. Congratulation to Ajay and his team for job well done from VHP Conn Chapter. As I have started learning more about internet I visit Temple site quitr often. I have not fully visited every item in the site. I really enjoy very much to visit comment page. As I meet people at various ocassions , try my best to inform them about Temple site on internet. Hope more organizatioins can take adventaof such a good work. Best Regards, Hasit _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From MJMEHTA@aol.com Sat Jun 14 06:31:20 1997 From: MJMEHTA@aol.com Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 06:30:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970614063049_338554924@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: CFA RESULTS : SONY Saga : Good News X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Dear Ajay: Compliment for good work is not meant to give less importance to other vital matters. Regards Mahesh _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From VICHARAK@aol.com Sun Jun 15 12:13:41 1997 From: VICHARAK@aol.com Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 12:13:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970615121308_38684256@emout01.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Article 1 of 3... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="PART.BOUNDARY.0.24731.emout01.mail.aol.com.866391188" X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --PART.BOUNDARY.0.24731.emout01.mail.aol.com.866391188 Content-ID: <0_24731_866391188@emout01.mail.aol.com.2824> Content-type: text/plain June 15, 1997 Dear Brothers and Sisters: Namaste from Gaurang. With this, and tow more mails I am forwarding three interesting articles to you that I found on http://www.redifindia.com site. Two are written by Varsha Bhosle, daughter of smt. Asha Bhosle; one is written by Fuzail Jafferey. these article are in .htm format, which you should be able to open without any difficulty. If you have problems, let me know and I will try to convert them to .txt format and resend to you. I plan to forward interesting and relevant articles/news from time to time. If you would rather not receive it, please drop me a line, and I will take off your name from the mailing list. Thank you. Brotherly yours, Gaurang --PART.BOUNDARY.0.24731.emout01.mail.aol.com.866391188 Content-ID: <0_24731_866391188@emout01.mail.aol.com.2825> Content-type: text/plain; name="AZAN.HTM" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rediff On The NeT: From euphony to a noise
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There is nothing new about the controversy over th= e use of microphones for giving the azaan, or the Muslims's call to prayer.

Time and again, people in different parts of India, have objected to the use of microphones for azaan. But most state governments have evaded taking a stand on the issue, not wanting to displease Muslim citizens, already hypersensitive about religious matters. A ban on using electronic methods to amplify the azaan would most definitely be interpreted as yet another attack on Islam, it is generally feared.

Yet the irony is that the first ban on the use of microphone for giving the azaan was imposed in Calcutta some time ago by the Communist Party of India-Marxist-led coalition. The party has been ruling the state of West Bengal, of which Calcutta is the capital, for nearly two decades and enjoys the massive support of the Muslim electorate.

Had a similar ban been imposed in a state like Maharashtra or Rajasthan, the government's action would have been immediately termed anti-Muslim or even anti-Islam. But the Left Front government of West Bengal cannot be termed religiously communal by any stretch of imagination.

Recent Indian history has been witness to dozens of bloody clashes between religious communities, taking a heavy loss of life and property, all on very petty issues such as beating of drums in front of a mosque or the throwing of some coloured water on a mosque's outer walls.

A little patience on the part of Muslims would have been of great help in avoiding such uncalled for bloodshed.

If the ban in Calcutta did not spark violent incidents, the credit goes to the new-found pragmatism of the city's Muslims and their ulemas (religious leaders) who have of late begun to differentiate= between emotion and reason.

However, despite all the pragmatism, Calcutta's Muslims did not accept the order in complete passivity.

Twelve Muslim organisations went to the Calcutta high court, challenging state Home Minister Budhadev Bhattacharya's ban order. They pleaded that the ban on the use of loudspeakers for azaan was undemocratic= and infringed the religious rights of the minority community.

After a few hearings Justice Bhagbati Prasad Banerjee upheld the ban. The judge even refused to modify the orders by allowing the use of microphones for azaans only twice a year on the occasions of the Eid festivals.

According to the newspaper reports Justice Banerjee has been, since then, provided with a police escort and a police picket has been posted at his residence.

Fortunately, no untoward incident has occurred even after two weeks of the judgement despite the subtle instigation by certain Congress leaders such as former federal minister Ajit Panja and the West Bengal Pradesh Congress Committee Minority Cell chief Idris Ali.

Now how important is the azaan to Muslims.

Namaz (a strict daily five-prayer schedule) is the basic tenet of Islam and the azaan is an integral part of namaz. It is obligatory for every believer to proceed to the nearest mosque as soon as he hears the azaan.

According to the Bukhari, the most authentic compilation of the Prophet's (peace be upon him) sayings and pronouncements, "All those who hear the muezzin's cry will testify for him on the Day of Resurrection."

On another occasion the Prophet (peace be upon him) pronounced that "The hand of the All-Merciful is on the muezzin's head until he completes his call to prayers."

The greatest and most respected muezzin in the history of Islam was Hazrat Bilal, a Negro companion of the Prophet (peace be upon him). Bilal's azaan, specially for the pre-dawn prayer would send believers into ecstasy with its magical, melodious, modulated and absorbing rendition.

=46rom 6 AD till the proliferation of electronic instruments some decades ago, muezzin's all over the Muslim world were held in high esteem. Only such people who possessed extremely sweet and vibrating voice and were specially trained for the holy job were appointed muezzins.

Their modulated voice was only loud enough to have an intimate relationship with the faithful and would engage respectability in its delivery.

Pakistani scholar S N Burney has this to say: "The call for the morning prayer from a distance, without mechanical aid, carries the mystic worlds like ocean waves, now soft, now loud, beckoning Muslims to the path of salvation, treated by their forefathers with great love and devotion."

In recent times, the basic qualities of Islam such as love for fellow beings, humility and patience have been replaced by emotional aggression and ill advised competition in almost every walk of life.

It is a sad commentary on Muslims, particularly those living on the Indian sub-continent, that while the numbers of the faithful visiting mosques has drastically fallen, the number of mosques continues to increase unabated.

If one Muslims sect has a mosque in a particular locality, other sects won't lag. The followers of one god and one Prophet (peace be upon him) insist on having separate mosques for people belonging to different creeds such as the Hanafi, the Shafai, the Humbli and the Razakhani.

Today it is possible to find at least half a dozen mosques within a half kilometre radius. Each mosque, however small, has at least three to four loudspeakers hooked to an electronic system.

The azaans, coming from different mosques at the same time, are jumbled in a cacophony and the message is lost. The mystic words are drowned in a deafening noise. Hoarse, crude sounds in the name of azaan now disturb the early morning peace of the sleeping babies, the insomniac old and the sick.

The azaan is supposed to draw people closer to god but if the muezzin does not have a sweet and modulated voice, his noise can have the exact opposite effect.

Burney has an ancient anecdote do illustrate the point. Centuries ago when Islam was still in the process of taking roots among the primitive society of Arabia, a caravan of Muslims halted near a settlement of non-believers.

At dawn, the tribal chief of the caravan took upon himself to give the azaan. Elders advised against it as they had brought with them a trained muezzin. But the chief insisted and his call reverberated through the neighbouring villages and settlements.

The caravan had hardly finished praying when they saw a dust storm closing on them from the direction of the settlement of non-believers. When it cleared, they saw a group of horsemen. One of them, who appeared to be their leader, approached the caravan and politely enquired as to who had called for the prayers.

The caravan pointed out the chief. The leader of the horsemen took out a bag, full of golden coins, and other precious gifts and offered them to the chief. Nonplussed, he asked what the occasion for the gifts was.

The leader of the non-believers answered: "My daughter, old enough to know her mind, has been insisting on converting to Islam for a very long time. We had a lot of argument but she would not listen. And then this morning our gods sent you. When she heard your call for prayers she gave up the idea of embracing Islam."

Yet another anecdote is about Sheikh Saadi, the great Sufi poet and scholar from Iran of the medieval age. Acceding to the Shaikh was a muezzin in the city of Sinjar (now Persia) whose voice was very unpleasing and annoyed the faithful. One day the chief trustee of the mosque called him and said: "To the muezzin employed before you I paid five dinars per month. I will give you ten dinars every month if you shift elsewhere."

Microphones kill the magic of the muezzin's voice. They cannot stir the souls of the believers. While the muezzin's modulated and trained voice provides divine inspiration to listeners, the blaring of loudspeakers simply irritates.

Amplifiers distort even the most melodious of voices into most dissonant notes and scare the lives out of many. Moreover, our watches and alarm clocks and over and above all the fear of god is the greatest instrument to call us to prayers.

We should not forget that religion should soften our hard lives and behaviour. Islam very clearly teaches the principles of adjustment and reconciliation. The amplifier must be replaced by a muezzin whose voice is pleasant, agreeable and trained so that he can pronounce the divine word rhythmically and with cleric correctness.

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--PART.BOUNDARY.0.24731.emout01.mail.aol.com.866391188-- _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From VICHARAK@aol.com Sun Jun 15 12:14:50 1997 From: VICHARAK@aol.com Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 12:14:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970615121417_945839584@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Article 2 of 3... X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 6/15/1997 Dear Brothers & Sisters: Namaste. Here is the article number two. Brotherly, Gaurang _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From VICHARAK@aol.com Sun Jun 15 12:20:52 1997 From: VICHARAK@aol.com Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 12:20:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970615122021_-993291932@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: oops! Article 2 of 3.. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="PART.BOUNDARY.0.29464.emout06.mail.aol.com.866391620" X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --PART.BOUNDARY.0.29464.emout06.mail.aol.com.866391620 Content-ID: <0_29464_866391621@emout06.mail.aol.com.2812> Content-type: text/plain Subj: Article 2 of 3... Date: 97-06-15 12:14:58 EDT 6/15/1997 Dear Brothers & Sisters: Namaste. Sorry, I forgot to attach the file last time. Brotherly, Gaurang --PART.BOUNDARY.0.29464.emout06.mail.aol.com.866391620 Content-ID: <0_29464_866391621@emout06.mail.aol.com.2813> Content-type: text/plain; name="VB_IN_~1.TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Commentary/ Varsha Bhosle In the name of the Lord =0D Parochial as one is, it was not long before I went looking for traces of = amcha Maharashtra in the ether. What I found has put the fear of Christ in me: At www.betha= ny-wpc.org, site of the Louisiana-based Bethany World Prayer Center, there are several kiloby= tes devoted to a detailed analysis of Marathis =96 with a view to converting the same to C= hristianity. Don't worry, we ghaatis aren't special: The same treatment's been given to othe= rs, too, all of whom are sought to be delivered to His Eternal Kingdom. There are "The Di= aspora Gujarati", Punjabi, Sindhi, Bengali, etc =96 with international subgroups= like Kenyan Gujarati, Spanish Sindhi, too. Scheduled Castes and Tribes? Bethany knows 'em all. = Its Joshua Project 2000 List acts as a base for missions and organisations on their = crusade, and helps "mobilize the cell churches worldwide to pray for the Unreached Peoples".= =0D And how detailed is detailed? An example: 'The Marathi villages located i= n the coastal regions of the Arabian Sea consist of long streets that run north and sou= th, with houses on either side=85 The tribes that live in the hills are practically cut off = from those in the plains=85 They have a great need for stability =96 something that can only be found= through knowing Christ.' If that weren't panic-making enough, there follow these "Prayer = Points": Pray against the spirits of Hinduism and Islam that have kept the Marathi bound for ma= ny generations. Ask the Lord to raise up people who will go to India and share Christ's l= ove with the Marathi. Pray that God will raise up prayer teams to go and break up the = soil through worship and intercession. Ask God to grant favor to the missions and agen= cies that are targeting the Marathi. Ask the Lord to raise up strong local churches amo= ng the Marathi for the glory of His name... =0D That's a helluva lot of praying and asking, and I doubt if it stays confi= ned tojust that =96 considering the terms "raise up", "break up", "intercession" and "targeti= ng". For instance, have you heard of the forced conversions in Dharavi? On May 1, Bombay Tim= es reported (with photographs of the wounded) that the Christian goondas of Jesuit mi= ssionaries assaulted one Meenakshi Nadar and stabbed her nephew Muthu and his friend= because they resisted conversion. An FIR was lodged with the police =96 who did not ta= ke action (probably in fear of secularists screaming murder against "defenseless" minorities)= =2E There are 40 churches in Dharavi alone, and 500 Hindu families have been converted. =0D I thought of Mother Teresa, who had once told Malcolm Muggeridge, 'There = is always the danger that we may become only social workers or just do the work for the= sake of the work.' Not for 'the living saint' a secular labour to relieve poverty; an= d how apart the idea from karmanye-vaadhikaraste=85 (toil without expecting the fruits of labo= ur). In his biography, Christopher Hitchens mentions secret baptisms of the dying who= are asked if they want a "ticket to heaven", and concludes that Teresa is "a servant of ear= thly powers" and works for a "very politicised papacy". Her pals include Haiti's Jean-Clau= de Duvalier, Washington's corrupt mayor Marion Barry and Charles Keating, the Californ= ian banker who was jailed for swindling investors out of $252 million and had given her = $1.25 million. In fact, during Keating's trial in LA, the Mother wrote to Judge Lance Ito seeking= clemency for Keating. Since she had Judge Ito's name, exact designation and address mu= ch before the OJ Simpson case made him a household name, it's safe to assume that the sain= t has more temporal powers guiding her. =0D Like most Hindus, I once believed that Ma Teresa's giving succour to Calc= utta's unfortunate was reason enough to turn a blind eye to the conversion undertaken by her= mission. After all, if we cannot look after our own, we have no right to whine when somebody = else reaps whatever benefit from doing so. Now, I refute it. Catholics continue to t= ake conversion on a war-footing, and the problem has assumed dimensions far beyond religion b= y entering the scope of politics and, more significantly, demography. Conversion is not = a holy, beneficial act of faith =96 it never was =96 but the systematic handling of the Josh= ua Project indicates to me that if it remains unchecked, religious conversion has the potential to d= estroy India. It's no use citing what the European explorers, whether Columbus, Da Gama= or Cook, all armed with Papal Bulls, did to heathens centuries ago; how they "civilise= d" the world by converting/exterminating the others. For a whole millennium, the proselyt= ising Semitic found easy prey in Hindus, Africans, native Americans, South Americans, Aborigi= nes and Asian peoples. Europe enslaved them politically, robbed them of national assets= , burned them in trade, crushed their spirits, drove two-thirds of humanity to poverty and= starvation and =96 more crucially =96 broke their cultural backbones by instilling values co= ntrary to their ethos. But that's all water under the bridge now. The question is, has the White= man stopped carrying his burden? For, mentalities don't change; only modalities do. =0D And yet, I don't take issue with what missionaries are furtively doing in= India =96 if they succeed, they deserve credit for their tenacity. I don't want to stop eva= ngelists from coming here =96 just as I wouldn't want others to bar swamis and lamas. The Cons= titution of India allows freedom of religious practice; but it also prohibits forced conver= sion, *induced* conversion and conversion motivated by non-voluntary actions =96 all of w= hich laws have been rendered impotent by the ignorance of the masses, the treason of vote-ban= k politics, and the propaganda of self-serving communists and secularists. It's the latter wh= o make me see red. For the right way to combat conversion is by abolishing caste divisions f= rom and reviving pride in Hinduism. Hindutva? O me gawd, but that's so antithetical to bei= ng modern and civilised and enlightened! "Garv se kaho hum Hindu hai" is simply "Seig H= eil"! =0D The secularists' rebuttals will go thus: Bethany is part of the "lunatic = fringe" (but we won't damn it like we do the Bajrang Dal). No Western nation can ever support s= uch a league (and we aren't interested in where the funding comes from). There's no ne= ed to panic since conversion can't make a dent in the Hindu population (it isn't fair that = Hindus are a majority, anyway). The VHP keeps similar track of Indian groups (so why shouldn't f= oreigners?). It's wrong to halt others from serving the destitute (since we won't do it, an= d will slam the RSS for doing so, too). Or, "I'm not religious; there are so many more urgent= issues at stake" (like looking into, er=85 secular riots). For, no matter what proof is presente= d, Hindutwadis always live in a fantasyland, with their Fascist propaganda machine blaming the = problems of the country on minorities. No matter what Christian history and Islamic Khila= fat indicates, there simply cannot exist a collusive agenda to overrun Hindus of India. =0D To which I say: Now take a look at the Joshua Project, ponder over the Va= tican's programme Evangelisation 2000, then look back and see where the original = religions of the peoples of Albania, Africa, Brazil, Canada, Mexico, Malaysia, blah, blah,= have vanished: Do you see a parallel... I'll bet you won't. You lack the requisite percepti= on. Politics in the garb of religion is a fact of life: As Jomo Kenyatta said in Absurdities in th= e name of Religion, "When the missionaries arrived, the Africans had the land and the mission= aries had the Bible. They taught us to pray with our eyes closed. When we opened them, they ha= d the land and we had the Bible." =0D Hindustan has already been partitioned on communal lines =96 thanks to co= nversion upsetting its demography. In north-eastern India, conversion among tribals continue= s unabated; in Arunachal Pradesh alone, about 10,000 people join the church every year; = in Kerala, a battery of 29,000 full-time workers, including nuns and priests, has been= put into action for Evangelisation 2000; in the Central tribal and dalit areas, the so-called= "delicate belt" of Hinduism, millions are poured in under the name of Christian charity. "Du= ring the last 30 years, the Catholic population increased ninefold to 90,000", brags an of= ficial church report. And even when the poor convert, do their problems disappear? Sure, pigs h= ave wings. Which is why we have Christian dalits and Muslim chamaars clamouring for = reservations. I have tried to present the facts. But facts don't matter much in the sec= ularist's dim little world. It's much easier to remain ignorant and much more popular to jump = up and down frothing at the mouth and denouncing everything you don't like in your sh= rillest =96 but oh-so-secular =96 voice. Especially if you are doing something as PC as t= ongue-lashing Hindutva. Facts can be mortifying, so cowards just ignore them. Courage l= ies in facing up to charges, examining them critically, and swimming against the PC stream if= needs be. No religion in the world is perfect. Pretending that ours is would not serve= any purpose =96 but it's the only religion we have, and it's a darn good one, at that. =0D Bethany says, "The Church cannot afford to wait until caste is not an iss= ue in India, as that day will probably not arrive until Jesus returns. If the Church thinks In= dia can reform the caste system by itself, perhaps millions of souls will perish while the C= hurch waits for the unbelievers to do in the strength of their flesh what has been hard to ac= complish in the Spirit". Hmmm=85 If I was in the crowd when Jesus asked the people who have never = sinned to cast the first stone, yes, I'd have chucked a boulder =96 provided it was a se= cularist in place of the woman: After all, poor Mary Magdalene prostituted only her own body. =0D Tell us what you think of this column Varsha Bhosle --PART.BOUNDARY.0.29464.emout06.mail.aol.com.866391620-- _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From VICHARAK@aol.com Sun Jun 15 12:22:42 1997 From: VICHARAK@aol.com Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 12:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970615122208_488940005@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Article 3 of 3... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="PART.BOUNDARY.0.8693.emout09.mail.aol.com.866391728" X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --PART.BOUNDARY.0.8693.emout09.mail.aol.com.866391728 Content-ID: <0_8693_866391728@emout09.mail.aol.com.2878> Content-type: text/plain 6/15/1997 Dear Brothers & Sisters: Namaste. here is the last article. Brotherly, Gaurang --PART.BOUNDARY.0.8693.emout09.mail.aol.com.866391728 Content-ID: <0_8693_866391728@emout09.mail.aol.com.2879> Content-type: text/plain; name="VB_FIR~1.HTM" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rediff On The NeT: Varsha Bhosle on the ways of Shivaji
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What with Raja Shiv Chhatrapati's birth anniversar= y falling in May, newspapers in Shiv-Sena-ruled Bombay have been indulging in a bit of subtle local appeasement. For instance, there was this momentous question posed in The Asian Age: 'Was Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj, who united the people of Maha= rashtra and welded them into a Hindu kingdom, a Maratha or a Rajput since he belonged= to the lineage of Sisodiyas?' According to Dr S B Deshmukh, curator of the M= arathwada university, the correct answer is that not only was Raja Shivaji a Marath= a, but every Rajput is a Maharashtrian by origin. Quite plausible. So of course,= Bhosle felt suitably mollified for the three minutes it took to read the = thing, and then promptly became absorbed in the monkeyshines of Laloo Prasad Yad= av.

But then appeared an item which, frankly, I could have done without: The recently-released first volume of Mr G B Mehendale's magnum opus Shri= Raja Shiv Chhatrapati proves with documentary evidence that Adil Shah of Bijap= ur had dispatched Afzal Khan to Pratapgarh with specific orders to kill Shivaji = by means fair or foul. For those who aren't acquainted with this controversi= al episode in the life of the founder of Hindu-pad badshahi, here's= the popular recap: Afzal Khan, after requesting an unarmed meeting and assuring Shiva= ji of his safety, met him in a tent at the base of Pratapgarh, but stabbed him = in the back while embracing him. Thereupon, Shivaji, who had worn armour under h= is clothes and concealed a pair of steel-claws (waagh-nakh, worn li= ke knuckle-busters) in his hands, proceeded to rip open Afzal Khan's abdomen= =2E Khel khatam.

Now, this tale, which is fed to Marathi babies along with their first sol= id food, has been the centre of several disputes and acrimonious exchanges b= etween scholars, most raged in the media. The point of contention has been wheth= er Shivaji went for Afzal Khan, or vice versa =96 the implication being that= if Shivaji did, then he doesn't deserve the unstinting adoration that is his= lot in Maharashtra.

Which is precisely the point that Bhosle has never understood =96 and whi= ch is why Mr Mehendale's QED came as a major disappointment to her. You see, I'= d rather staked my all in Raja Shivaji's having made the first and "unprovo= ked" attack. I question the validity of virtue in wars of independence; Sun Tz= u says: = "All warfare is based on deception. Security against defeat implies defensive tactics; ability to defeat the enemy means takin= g the offensive. Standing on the defensive indicates insufficient strength; attacking, a superabundance of strength." Why should those who perceive Shivaji as a native ruler seeking Hindvi swarajya<= /EM> get hives over the ethics in who drew first blood? In fact, if Afzal Khan had inde= ed gone in as innocent as a spring lamb, and Shivaji wouldn't have slaughtered hi= m all the same =96 that would have made him one wimp king in my book.

Take Prithviraj Chauhan and Shahabuddin Ghori: Seventeen times did Chauha= n defeat the Afghan, and seventeen times did he let him live. But in 1192, = when Chauhan finally lost, Ghori blinded and killed this last Hindu king of De= lhi =96 and established Muslim rule in India. I'm sorry, but I curse the Rajput's= ethics. Hindus exalt dharma-yuddha, ignoring the fact that the s= ide advised by Krishna didn't always follow morality in warfare: Karna was killed while dislodging his chariot-wheel; Duryodhan was slayed by a mace struck below= his waist; and Dronacharya was attacked after he had laid down his arms. Plai= n old realpolitik: The Pandavs were forced to act in the real world with all it= s limitation, for the ideal world does not exist=85 So why shouldn't have S= hivaji, whom Nehruvians call "the robber-baron", sacked Udaipur and Surat to dive= rt the Islam-bound taxes to his army? But that sticks in the enlightened ones's gullets.

I recall an article in The Illustrated Weekly of India of April = 1993, wherein Nancy Adjania, in classical Marxist thinking and idiom, had dwelt on Rana= Pratap, Chhatrapati Shivaji and Rani Laxmibai; in the case of Laxmibai, t= here were references to Maaza Pravas, a book written in hyper-archaic= Marathi. Where the young linguistic genius is now, I don't know, but her ideas are famil= iarly Duff: "It becomes imperative for a nascent nation to produce a costume dr= ama for itself, in lieu of the past. The nation's origins and antecedents are= explained away by means of a series of tableaux vivants, splendidly mount= ed by adept ideologues within the proscenium of mythology. The first function o= f this nationalist mythology is the creation of exemplars, role models. For this= purpose, cultural heroes and heroines are abstracted from the intricate cross-weave of their original context. Deprived of the political and cult= ural specificities of which they were actually the creatures, they are convert= ed into larger-than-life figures."

I know=85 I, too, had trouble decoding it. In human lingo, all it means i= s: Screw India's nationalistic heroes. The piece ended with a poem by Imtiaz Dhark= ar, wife of Anil Dharkar, who, as editor of the same weekly, had published an= article critical of Chhatrapati Shivaji =96 ie, disputing his integrity i= n the light of Afzal Khan's assassination =96 and got his face blackened by Sai= niks. The British, through the likes of historian Grant Duff, systematically tr= ied to decimate the spirit of our people by denigrating India's inspiring heroes= -- and that hangover persists with our intelligentsia.

Their attitude makes me ponder on Hindus and nationalism. Freedom fighter= s like Lokmanya Tilak, Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose and Veer Savarkar followed the= Vedanta and were no less devout than Mahatma Gandhi. They followed a long= tradition instilled by the likes of Raja Shivaji and Guru Gobind Singh wh= o took up arms to defend Hindu Dharma. Nor were spiritualists like Sri Aurobindo= and Swami Vivekananda oblivious to terrestrial realities: Aurobindo supported= the Allied cause in World War II and the Americans in the Korean war =96 cont= rarily to Gandhian positions. They were the legacy of the likes of Samarth Ramda= s and Sant Tukaram. The latter writes: Bhale tari deu kaasechi langoti / Na= athalaache maathi haanu kaathi / Mau mena-huni amhi Vishnudaas / Kathin vajraasi bhe= du aise (We may give away our loincloth, but we'll split the heads of t= he enemy; we Vishnu-devotees are softer than wax, but we can defy solid steel).

So when exactly did we become a nation of eunuchs? Probably during Partit= ion, when it was decided that Hindu society should follow the way of the b= hikshu, and donate all and everything to the "poor and defenseless". Classical In= dia was an affluent society with a strong army and skills in diplomacy, and s= o some blame Buddhism for the degeneration in Hindu nationalism. Rubbish. Althou= gh Buddhism doesn't have a militant dharma and is monastically orie= nted, how was it adapted to suit the patriotic bents of China and Japan? = Why did it not put an end to the warrior classes in those countries? In fact, both nations flourished through Buddhism, adapting Indian martial arts into kung fu an= d jujitsu and even creating orders of militaristic monks. Bodhidharma, the = founder of Zen Buddhism, was from Kodungalloor in Kerala, and he introduc= ed the Kalari Payat school of combat to the Shao-lin monastery in China.

The ideal of nonviolence set in motion a distortion that has weakened mod= ern India. Rather than defending our religion and culture, we turn on those o= f us who try to rectify the imbalance caused by sham-secular policies. If Hind= us criticise non-Hindus, it's Hindus themselves who protest. But if non-Hind= us censure Hindus, it is Hindus again who advocate serenity and tolerance. I= believe this groveling mentality needs to be shirked =96 there's no digni= ty in getting kicked in the teeth. India needs to reclaim its aggressive spirit= , for that is an integral part of any prosperous nation's culture. We need to h= onour not only our Shivajis and Rana Prataps, but also our Savarkars and Bhagat= Singhs and Manekshaws and Vaidyas. There is no other country in the world= that is so ungrateful to its warriors as India is to hers.

Jawaharlal Nehru and his Congress built modern India not on Gandhian poli= cies, but on Marxist socialism; they built it not on Gandhiji's rural = emphasis, but on apparatchik bureaucracy =96 which became more and more like the Commun= ist model during Mrs G's reign. But all along, the image of Gandhiji= was brazenly used to secure votes =96 even though most of his plans had long been disc= arded. And his exemplar of nonviolence served well to prevent Hindus from coales= cing into a political force, for that oiled the way for politicians to divide = the majority and rule unchecked. It became part of the anti-Hindu strategy=85= Strange. For Gandhijiwas always proud to be a sanaatani= Hindu and had never claimed not to be one.

Oh yes, things look very bleak sometimes. For instance, in a nation-wide = poll conducted by The Sunday Observer last week, it was found that 59= =2E4% of the working class would vote for Sonia Gandhi=85 What now? Or take these noti= ons from your archetypal secularist: What does one say to a man who claims, "we re= ally do not give a damn if India loses Kashmir or any other piece of land that= is not livable"? How does one approach a person who feels that needs like fo= od and shelter are more primary than "coffee table concepts like territorial integrity"? How does one react when a man feels that economic prosperity (paisa, paisa, paisa) is far more crucial than freedom? Don't kn= ow about you, but I react with utter distaste, contempt and horror. If such specimens e= ver become the majority in this country, oh yes, they'll smilingly sell India= down the Indus. Such is the stuff that traitors are made of.

Tell us what y= ou think of this column

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First Blood

What with Raja Shiv Chhatrapati's birth anniversar= y falling in May, newspapers in Shiv-Sena-ruled Bombay have been indulging in a bit of subtle local appeasement. For instance, there was this momentous question posed in The Asian Age: 'Was Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj, who united the people of Maha= rashtra and welded them into a Hindu kingdom, a Maratha or a Rajput since he belonged= to the lineage of Sisodiyas?' According to Dr S B Deshmukh, curator of the M= arathwada university, the correct answer is that not only was Raja Shivaji a Marath= a, but every Rajput is a Maharashtrian by origin. Quite plausible. So of course,= Bhosle felt suitably mollified for the three minutes it took to read the = thing, and then promptly became absorbed in the monkeyshines of Laloo Prasad Yad= av.

But then appeared an item which, frankly, I could have done without: The recently-released first volume of Mr G B Mehendale's magnum opus Shri= Raja Shiv Chhatrapati proves with documentary evidence that Adil Shah of Bijap= ur had dispatched Afzal Khan to Pratapgarh with specific orders to kill Shivaji = by means fair or foul. For those who aren't acquainted with this controversi= al episode in the life of the founder of Hindu-pad badshahi, here's= the popular recap: Afzal Khan, after requesting an unarmed meeting and assuring Shiva= ji of his safety, met him in a tent at the base of Pratapgarh, but stabbed him = in the back while embracing him. Thereupon, Shivaji, who had worn armour under h= is clothes and concealed a pair of steel-claws (waagh-nakh, worn li= ke knuckle-busters) in his hands, proceeded to rip open Afzal Khan's abdomen= =2E Khel khatam.

Now, this tale, which is fed to Marathi babies along with their first sol= id food, has been the centre of several disputes and acrimonious exchanges b= etween scholars, most raged in the media. The point of contention has been wheth= er Shivaji went for Afzal Khan, or vice versa =96 the implication being that= if Shivaji did, then he doesn't deserve the unstinting adoration that is his= lot in Maharashtra.

Which is precisely the point that Bhosle has never understood =96 and whi= ch is why Mr Mehendale's QED came as a major disappointment to her. You see, I'= d rather staked my all in Raja Shivaji's having made the first and "unprovo= ked" attack. I question the validity of virtue in wars of independence; Sun Tz= u says: = "All warfare is based on deception. Security against defeat implies defensive tactics; ability to defeat the enemy means takin= g the offensive. Standing on the defensive indicates insufficient strength; attacking, a superabundance of strength." Why should those who perceive Shivaji as a native ruler seeking Hindvi swarajya<= /EM> get hives over the ethics in who drew first blood? In fact, if Afzal Khan had inde= ed gone in as innocent as a spring lamb, and Shivaji wouldn't have slaughtered hi= m all the same =96 that would have made him one wimp king in my book.

Take Prithviraj Chauhan and Shahabuddin Ghori: Seventeen times did Chauha= n defeat the Afghan, and seventeen times did he let him live. But in 1192, = when Chauhan finally lost, Ghori blinded and killed this last Hindu king of De= lhi =96 and established Muslim rule in India. I'm sorry, but I curse the Rajput's= ethics. Hindus exalt dharma-yuddha, ignoring the fact that the s= ide advised by Krishna didn't always follow morality in warfare: Karna was killed while dislodging his chariot-wheel; Duryodhan was slayed by a mace struck below= his waist; and Dronacharya was attacked after he had laid down his arms. Plai= n old realpolitik: The Pandavs were forced to act in the real world with all it= s limitation, for the ideal world does not exist=85 So why shouldn't have S= hivaji, whom Nehruvians call "the robber-baron", sacked Udaipur and Surat to dive= rt the Islam-bound taxes to his army? But that sticks in the enlightened ones's gullets.

I recall an article in The Illustrated Weekly of India of April = 1993, wherein Nancy Adjania, in classical Marxist thinking and idiom, had dwelt on Rana= Pratap, Chhatrapati Shivaji and Rani Laxmibai; in the case of Laxmibai, t= here were references to Maaza Pravas, a book written in hyper-archaic= Marathi. Where the young linguistic genius is now, I don't know, but her ideas are famil= iarly Duff: "It becomes imperative for a nascent nation to produce a costume dr= ama for itself, in lieu of the past. The nation's origins and antecedents are= explained away by means of a series of tableaux vivants, splendidly mount= ed by adept ideologues within the proscenium of mythology. The first function o= f this nationalist mythology is the creation of exemplars, role models. For this= purpose, cultural heroes and heroines are abstracted from the intricate cross-weave of their original context. Deprived of the political and cult= ural specificities of which they were actually the creatures, they are convert= ed into larger-than-life figures."

I know=85 I, too, had trouble decoding it. In human lingo, all it means i= s: Screw India's nationalistic heroes. The piece ended with a poem by Imtiaz Dhark= ar, wife of Anil Dharkar, who, as editor of the same weekly, had published an= article critical of Chhatrapati Shivaji =96 ie, disputing his integrity i= n the light of Afzal Khan's assassination =96 and got his face blackened by Sai= niks. The British, through the likes of historian Grant Duff, systematically tr= ied to decimate the spirit of our people by denigrating India's inspiring heroes= -- and that hangover persists with our intelligentsia.

Their attitude makes me ponder on Hindus and nationalism. Freedom fighter= s like Lokmanya Tilak, Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose and Veer Savarkar followed the= Vedanta and were no less devout than Mahatma Gandhi. They followed a long= tradition instilled by the likes of Raja Shivaji and Guru Gobind Singh wh= o took up arms to defend Hindu Dharma. Nor were spiritualists like Sri Aurobindo= and Swami Vivekananda oblivious to terrestrial realities: Aurobindo supported= the Allied cause in World War II and the Americans in the Korean war =96 cont= rarily to Gandhian positions. They were the legacy of the likes of Samarth Ramda= s and Sant Tukaram. The latter writes: Bhale tari deu kaasechi langoti / Na= athalaache maathi haanu kaathi / Mau mena-huni amhi Vishnudaas / Kathin vajraasi bhe= du aise (We may give away our loincloth, but we'll split the heads of t= he enemy; we Vishnu-devotees are softer than wax, but we can defy solid steel).

So when exactly did we become a nation of eunuchs? Probably during Partit= ion, when it was decided that Hindu society should follow the way of the b= hikshu, and donate all and everything to the "poor and defenseless". Classical In= dia was an affluent society with a strong army and skills in diplomacy, and s= o some blame Buddhism for the degeneration in Hindu nationalism. Rubbish. Althou= gh Buddhism doesn't have a militant dharma and is monastically orie= nted, how was it adapted to suit the patriotic bents of China and Japan? = Why did it not put an end to the warrior classes in those countries? In fact, both nations flourished through Buddhism, adapting Indian martial arts into kung fu an= d jujitsu and even creating orders of militaristic monks. Bodhidharma, the = founder of Zen Buddhism, was from Kodungalloor in Kerala, and he introduc= ed the Kalari Payat school of combat to the Shao-lin monastery in China.

The ideal of nonviolence set in motion a distortion that has weakened mod= ern India. Rather than defending our religion and culture, we turn on those o= f us who try to rectify the imbalance caused by sham-secular policies. If Hind= us criticise non-Hindus, it's Hindus themselves who protest. But if non-Hind= us censure Hindus, it is Hindus again who advocate serenity and tolerance. I= believe this groveling mentality needs to be shirked =96 there's no digni= ty in getting kicked in the teeth. India needs to reclaim its aggressive spirit= , for that is an integral part of any prosperous nation's culture. We need to h= onour not only our Shivajis and Rana Prataps, but also our Savarkars and Bhagat= Singhs and Manekshaws and Vaidyas. There is no other country in the world= that is so ungrateful to its warriors as India is to hers.

Jawaharlal Nehru and his Congress built modern India not on Gandhian poli= cies, but on Marxist socialism; they built it not on Gandhiji's rural = emphasis, but on apparatchik bureaucracy =96 which became more and more like the Commun= ist model during Mrs G's reign. But all along, the image of Gandhiji= was brazenly used to secure votes =96 even though most of his plans had long been disc= arded. And his exemplar of nonviolence served well to prevent Hindus from coales= cing into a political force, for that oiled the way for politicians to divide = the majority and rule unchecked. It became part of the anti-Hindu strategy=85= Strange. For Gandhijiwas always proud to be a sanaatani= Hindu and had never claimed not to be one.

Oh yes, things look very bleak sometimes. For instance, in a nation-wide = poll conducted by The Sunday Observer last week, it was found that 59= =2E4% of the working class would vote for Sonia Gandhi=85 What now? Or take these noti= ons from your archetypal secularist: What does one say to a man who claims, "we re= ally do not give a damn if India loses Kashmir or any other piece of land that= is not livable"? How does one approach a person who feels that needs like fo= od and shelter are more primary than "coffee table concepts like territorial integrity"? How does one react when a man feels that economic prosperity (paisa, paisa, paisa) is far more crucial than freedom? Don't kn= ow about you, but I react with utter distaste, contempt and horror. If such specimens e= ver become the majority in this country, oh yes, they'll smilingly sell India= down the Indus. Such is the stuff that traitors are made of.

Tell us what y= ou think of this column

Varsha Bhosle
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--PART.BOUNDARY.0.8693.emout09.mail.aol.com.866391728-- _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From VICHARAK@aol.com Tue Jun 24 22:37:43 1997 From: VICHARAK@aol.com Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 22:22:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970624222141_537420947@emout01.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Item to act upon... X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 6/24/1997 Dear Brothers & sisters: Please see the following, and register your protest as soon as possible. Also, pass this on to your friends and otehr community members. Thank you. Brotherly yours, Gaurang G. Vaishnav ============================================================================== ====== CFA: New Yorker shows J&K as not part of India! *----------------------------------------------------------------------* ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 10:23:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Rajiv Varma Subject: CFA: New Yorker shows J&K as not part of India! Publication: New Yorker Date: June 23-30 Problem: J&K not shown as part of India Address: (below) Action Req'd: send a protest letter (modify the sample!) - ----------------------------- Sample Letter --------------------------- Letter To The Editor The NEW YORKER 20 West 43rd Street New York, NY 10036 THANK YOU for devoting a double-issue [June 23-30] of the mighty New Yorker to India. It was a treat to go through the articles by so many of the leading living authors writing on this topic. However, I must point out to you one grave error in the map on page 50 which is causing serious agitation among the Indian community. The map on page 50 shows Jammu and Kashmir in a different color [green] than that of India [yellow]. The green color, in which Jammu & Kashmir is shown, is the same green color in which Nepal, an independent country is shown! Jammu & Kashmir is an integral part of India, and should be shown, therefore, in the same color as India. You owe an apology to India, and to the 1.2 million strong Indian community in America, along with an admission of the error and a correction in the next issue. We expect these from the New Yorker as soon as possible. I suspect your error is more by default than design. After all you are honoring India by devoting the whole issue to India. In any event, there is no excuse for such an error by a magazine of the quality and caliber of New Yorker, is there. Thanks once again for a testimonial to the emerging Indian fiction, and offering a treat which will be read and re-read. sincerely, Amir Tuteja _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From p479@hopi.dtcc.edu Fri Jun 27 22:53:32 1997 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 22:53:24 -0400 (EDT) From: HARISH C PANDYA To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Item to act upon... In-Reply-To: <970624222141_537420947@emout01.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gaurang Ji, Jai Shri Ram But what is the address on which we can send our protest. Harish Panday On Tue, 24 Jun 1997 VICHARAK@aol.com wrote: > 6/24/1997 > > Dear Brothers & sisters: > > Please see the following, and register your protest as soon as possible. > Also, pass this on to your friends and otehr community members. > > Thank you. > > Brotherly yours, > > Gaurang G. Vaishnav > > ============================================================================== > ====== > > CFA: New Yorker shows J&K as not part of India! > *----------------------------------------------------------------------* > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 10:23:22 -0500 (CDT) > From: Rajiv Varma > Subject: CFA: New Yorker shows J&K as not part of India! > > > Publication: New Yorker > Date: June 23-30 > > Problem: J&K not shown as part of India > Address: (below) > Action Req'd: send a protest letter (modify the sample!) > > > - ----------------------------- Sample Letter --------------------------- > > Letter To The Editor > The NEW YORKER > 20 West 43rd Street > New York, NY 10036 > > THANK YOU for devoting a double-issue [June 23-30] of the mighty > New Yorker to India. It was a treat to go through the articles by so > many of the leading living authors writing on this topic. > > However, I must point out to you one grave error in the map on page 50 > which is causing serious agitation among the Indian community. > > The map on page 50 shows Jammu and Kashmir in a different color > [green] than that of India [yellow]. The green color, in which Jammu > & Kashmir is shown, is the same green color in which Nepal, an > independent country is shown! Jammu & Kashmir is an integral part > of India, and should be shown, therefore, in the same color as India. > > You owe an apology to India, and to the 1.2 million strong Indian > community in America, along with an admission of the error and a > correction in the next issue. We expect these from the New Yorker > as soon as possible. > > I suspect your error is more by default than design. After all you are > honoring India by devoting the whole issue to India. In any event, > there is no excuse for such an error by a magazine of the quality and > caliber of New Yorker, is there. > > Thanks once again for a testimonial to the emerging Indian fiction, and > offering a treat which will be read and re-read. > > sincerely, > Amir Tuteja > > > _____________________________ > For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From VICHARAK@aol.com Mon Jun 30 20:50:30 1997 From: VICHARAK@aol.com Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 20:49:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970630204954_880270492@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Fwd: Hanuman Flag X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Dear colleagues: Please reply to me if you have information on the attached questions. Thank you. Brotherly, Gaurang 6/30/1997 --------------------- Forwarded message: From: P.Datt@cstd.usyd.edu.au (Prayag Datt) To: vicharak@aol.com Date: 97-06-30 00:08:39 EDT Jai Sita Ram Could you please provide me with some information on why the Flag of Hanuman is 3 conered (triangle shape), which is used on puja of Hanuman. Also if you could provide me the names of Valmiki's (author of Ramayana) parents (father and mother). Your early reply would be most appreciated. Thank you Jai Sita Ram Prayag _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From VICHARAK@aol.com Mon Jun 30 20:55:15 1997 From: VICHARAK@aol.com Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 20:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970630205442_1141189280@emout14.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org, YLakra@aol.com, VICHARAK@aol.com, abhaya@lucent.com (abhayaasthana), nandsharma@lucent.com (nandkishoresharma), 75132.2437@compuserve.com (rameshpatel), cbanerj@denali.ccs.neu.edu (kanchanbanerjee), 103021.752@compuserve.com (virendraparikh), MJMEHTA@aol.com cc: ajay@hindunet.org Subject: Fwd: statement on modern ethical issues X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 6/30/97 Bandhuvar: Namaste. Can someone enlighten me on the request for "statements on ethical issues"? Brotherly, Gaurang --------------------- Forwarded message: From: bedfords@whitby5.demon.co.uk (Bedfords) To: vicharak@aol.com Date: 97-06-27 17:54:30 EDT Who would think to find Ganesh on the Web!! A very exciting and informative visit. Do you have statements about ethical modern issues? _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From MJMEHTA@aol.com Tue Jul 1 05:49:58 1997 From: MJMEHTA@aol.com Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 05:49:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970701054926_-858274149@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Hanuman Flag X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Valmiki's father's name: Sage Prachethasa. Valmiki's original name was Rathnakara. He was lost, brought up by ahunter family.He became arobber to support the family. Mahesh Mehta _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From rvarma@ccaix.jsums.edu Tue Jul 1 10:24:51 1997 Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 09:21:23 -0500 (CDT) From: "R. Varma" To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Fwd: statement on modern ethical issues In-Reply-To: <970630205442_1141189280@emout14.mail.aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, 30 Jun 1997 VICHARAK@aol.com wrote: > 6/30/97 > > Bandhuvar: > > Namaste. Can someone enlighten me on the request for "statements on ethical > issues"? > I could be wrong here, but I think the person is looking for Hindu perspective on the (so-called) "modern" ethical issues, for example, genetic cloning, ... i.e. cloning humans. Almost all semitic religions and sects have expressed reservations or opposed vehemently the idea of human cloning. As to, what might be a "Hindu" position on human cloning? From a philosophical standpoint, esp. Advaita Vedantic, the Universe is Manifest Reality, not God's "creation" -- and it is part of Ultimate Reality which consists of Universal Consciousness (or a "Unified Force" as the Quantum physicists would put it.). Hence, even if physical human body (the heart, lungs, legs, eyes, etc., etc.) can be cloned, it is given that human consciousness cannot be cloned. Hence, no "true" human -duplicates- can be produced, as per Advaita Vedanta. ----------- In simpler terms, human (H) = physical body (P) + individual consciousness (C) technology can clone P, but cannot clone C, hence no true clone of H can be produced. ------------ Therefore, from a Hindu point-of-view, human cloning may not be such an evil, as other religions are making it out to be. I think the aagantuk is looking for such positions from a Hindu point-of-view, when he mentions "statements on modern ethical issues." regards, Rajiv > > Brotherly, > > Gaurang > > --------------------- > Forwarded message: > From: bedfords@whitby5.demon.co.uk (Bedfords) > To: vicharak@aol.com > Date: 97-06-27 17:54:30 EDT > > > Who would think to find Ganesh on the Web!! > > A very exciting and informative visit. > > Do you have statements about ethical modern issues? > _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From VICHARAK@aol.com Sun Jul 6 19:10:24 1997 From: VICHARAK@aol.com Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 19:09:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970706190948_-2113376007@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Alert- Hindu ttemples in Russia X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 7/6/1997 Dear Colleagues: Namaste. Please see below important information received from internet. Subject is complex as we do not know total picture, however, I feel that all of us support the cause by sending protest letters. I have just returned from a wondeerful experience of HSC camp at Green Pasture, NH, followed by a interorganizational meeting of Sangh organizations in New York. Mananiya Dattopant Thengadi graced both the functions and gave very thought provoking talks about Organization, Goals and methods of working. Brotherly, Gaurang ============================================================================== ======== Friday, July 4 1997 Today's Topics: ------------- EXTEREMELY URGENT ACTION ALERT... *----------------------------------------------------------------------* ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 12:33:39 -0500 (EST) From: DPC@neu.edu Subject: EXTEREMELY URGENT ACTION ALERT... Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 11:10:46 -0400 From: premananda@juno.com Subject: RUSSIAN HINDU TEMPLES UNDER ATTACK Hare Krishna, Durga Prasad! I have attached an urgent message regarding legislation passed by the Russian Parliament that would liquidate all Hindu temples in Russia. Our only hope is to convince Boris Yeltsin to veto the bill. There is a good chance that this can be done. Many other religious organizations - some of them quite well established in the US and Europe - would be liquidated if this becomes law. President Clinton is said to have personally raised the issue with President Yeltsin at a recent meeting. If Yeltsin does veto the bill, he'll need to point to worldwide opposition in order to muster up sufficent support in Parliament to prevent an override vote. Letters from members of the Indian community in the US and abroad will be tremendously influential! We've had to do this before and our Indian friends made a crucial difference! Please send the attached message to any and all Indian and Hindu groups you know of. Indian groups that have political inclinations should especially be notified. I would appreciate being informed regarding to whom you post this message. If is imperative that we act quickly. Thank you for your help! Premananda dasa ================================================================== Dear Friends, On the eve of the 50th anniversary of Indian independence, the rights of Indians and non-Indians alike to worship in Russia's Hindu temples is under attack. The Russian Parliament has passed a bill that would severely restrict freedom of religion and religious organizations, including all Hindu groups. The bill, promoted in large part by the Russian Orthodox Church, has received practically unanimous support in Parliament. Russian President Boris Yeltsin is the only person who can prevent Russia from back-sliding to the days of religious intolerance under the Soviet-Communist regime. The bill would give broad powers to the government to liquidate the holdings of minority religious groups and prevent them from publicly practicing and sharing their faith with others. Under the terms of the bill, *A religious organization could hold property only if local government officials acknowledge that the organization has been in operation for the past 15 years. Since religious freedom has come to Russia only in the past ten years, no Hindu organization would qualify. *To be recognized as a national religious organization, a group would have to prove nationwide operations for the past 50 years. Indian religious groups, including the largest and oldest of them - the International Society for Krishna Consciousness (ISKCON) - would have to wait at least 40 years before receiving federal recognition. Without federal recognition, no religious group could do such simple things as print or distribute religious literature, or publicly share their beliefs with people outside their own faith. There are more than 100 Hindu temples in Russia. Each one is locally incorporated, staffed, managed and financed and conforms with all local and Russian national laws. They also provide life-saving services to the larger community. For example, the Hare Krishna devotees serve more than 10,000 hot free meals a day to needy Russian citizens through 50 Hare Krishna Food for Life projects. Under the bill, these much-needed social services would be barred. If the bill is passed, Orthodox clerics in other countries of the former-Soviet Union will likely introduce similar legislation. Hundreds more temples may be lost. It is imperative that we act NOW to protect freedom of religion in the former Soviet Union. Please FAX your opposition to the bill to one of the following numbers TODAY. Please copy your federal Congressional representatives and ask them to communicate their opposition as well. Attached is a draft of a letter which could be sent to President Yeltsin. Please feel free to modify it to suit your own expression and experience. TIME IS VERY SHORT. THE BILL MAY GO TO PRESIDENT YELTSIN'S DESK BY JULY 7. PLEASE FAX YOUR LETTER IMMEDIATELY TO EITHER OF THE FOLLOWING: Mr. Ruslan Gennadyvich Orekhov Legal Directorate of the Office of the President FAX 007 095 206 3178 OR His Excellency Ambassador Vorontsov 2650 Wisconsin Avenue, NW, Washington, D.C. FAX 1-202-298-5735 =====================SAMPLE LETTER BELOW====================== His Excellency President Boris Yeltsin The Kremlin Moscow, Russia Dear President Yeltsin: We understand that the Russian State Duma has recently passed legislation of religion that, if enacted, would ban or considerably limit the activities of those religious organizations that are comparatively fewer in number of their adherents or younger than the ones traditionally existing in Russia. For instance, the proposed law does not allow a religious organization to get an all-Russia status unless it was registered in Russia at least 50 years ago, or forbids registration of a local religious organization until 15 years after the time of its founding in a particular region of your country. Respecting the solemn right of the Russian parliament to adopt any laws thought to be conductive for the Russian society, we nevertheless cannot help but express our deepest concern over the later legislative initiative. As native Hindus living in the United States, we are very happy that despite our being so far away from our dear homeland India, by the grace of God we have the opportunity to practice our religion, Hinduism, through the devotees of the Hare Krishna religion, or the International Society for Krishna Consciousness. We come regularly to the Hare Krishna temples for our prayers, our mass (arati) and other religious functions. The Hare Krishna devotees are the priests who perform our marriages and other rituals exactly in the way they have been performed since time immemorial in Bharat-varsha, India. We know that the native Hindus living in Russia enjoy the same privileges by visiting over 100 Hare Krishna temples throughout Russia. In this way it is very easy for an Indian student or businessman in Russia to remain in close touch with our ancient 5000-year-old religious and cultural tradition in whatever Russian city we may decide to live and work. But now we have a grave apprehension that the new proposed law, if approved by Your Excellence, would greatly hinder the freedom of religious life in Russia and, in particular, would deprive Hindus living in Russia the possibility of publicly practicing our religion in Russia the way 800 million of Indians can in India and most of the democratic countries world-wide. We are very happy with the rapid development of economic and cultural exchange between India and Russia, but such a restrictive and, in fact, discriminative law would inevitably spoil the favourable conditions for the further growth of our relations. We appeal to Your Excellency not to enforce the law, which would obviously be a violation of basic human rights and democracy. The Hare Krishna movement belongs to the ancient Vaishnava faith within Hinduism, the world's oldest religion, and the fact it was not in Russia 50 years ago does not mean that it is not a bona fide religion. Now there are many denominations of Christianity present in India, including the Orthodox Church, and they can freely practice and preach their beliefs without being restricted, outlawed or ostracized from India as newcomers having no historical roots in Indian cultural soil. So we hope we can rightly expect the same attitude towards our Hindu religious organization, the Hare Krishna movement, in Russia. You became famous throughout the world as a freedom fighter, and indeed, your record as President points toward continued liberalization for the Russian people. Russia has made tremendous gains in freedom of expression and conscience under your administration. We are most appreciative of your courage to promote individual liberty in light of so many conservative forces at work within your country. This legislation would be a most unfortunate regression toward the intolerance of the past. We had hoped that we had seen the last of those days in the 1980s when Russian Hindu priests were arrested, jailed, tortured and killed in Soviet detention camps because they followed the calling of their conscience to serve God and help others. We once again beg Your Excellency to veto the law and to not allow religious bigotry to start flourishing in Russia anew. Thank you very much for your kind consideration. Sincerely yours, ------------------------------ End _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Babu.Gandhi@trw.com Mon Jul 7 16:58:51 1997 Message-ID: Date: 7 Jul 1997 10:34:59 -0700 From: "Babu Gandhi" Subject: Re: Alert- Hindu ttemples in To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; Name="Message Body" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Message Body" X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Gaurangbhai Myself and my son Chetan were at the HSS camp for a week. We had to come = back on July4 for a relative's wedding and missed the opportunity to meet you. Will do needfull for the message you sent. Babubhai Gandhi ------------------------------ Date: 7/7/97 7:25 AM To: Gandhi, Babu From: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org 7/6/1997 Dear Colleagues: Namaste. Please see below important information received from internet. Subject is complex as we do not know total picture, however, I feel that = all of us support the cause by sending protest letters. I have just returned from a wondeerful experience of HSC camp at Green Pasture, NH, followed by a interorganizational meeting of Sangh = organizations in New York. Mananiya Dattopant Thengadi graced both the functions and = gave very thought provoking talks about Organization, Goals and methods of working. Brotherly, Gaurang =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Friday, July 4 1997 Today's Topics: ------------- EXTEREMELY URGENT ACTION ALERT... *----------------------------------------------------------------------* ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 12:33:39 -0500 (EST) From: DPC@neu.edu Subject: EXTEREMELY URGENT ACTION ALERT... Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 11:10:46 -0400 From: premananda@juno.com Subject: RUSSIAN HINDU TEMPLES UNDER ATTACK Hare Krishna, Durga Prasad! I have attached an urgent message regarding legislation passed by the Russian Parliament that would liquidate all Hindu temples in Russia. Our only hope is to convince Boris Yeltsin to veto the bill. There is a good chance that this can be done. Many other religious organizations - some of them quite well established in the US and Europe - would be liquidated if this becomes law. President Clinton is said to have personally raised the issue with President Yeltsin at a recent meeting. If Yeltsin does veto the bill, he'll need to point to worldwide opposition in order to muster up sufficent support in Parliament to prevent an override vote. Letters from members of the Indian community in the US and abroad will be tremendously influential! We've had to do this before and our Indian friends made a crucial difference! Please send the attached message to any and all Indian and Hindu groups you know of. Indian groups that have political inclinations should especially be notified. I would appreciate being informed regarding to whom you post this message. If is imperative that we act quickly. Thank you for your help! Premananda dasa =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Dear Friends, On the eve of the 50th anniversary of Indian independence, the rights of Indians and non-Indians alike to worship in Russia's Hindu temples is under attack. The Russian Parliament has passed a bill that would severely restrict freedom of religion and religious organizations, including all Hindu groups. The bill, promoted in large part by the Russian Orthodox Church, has received practically unanimous support in Parliament. Russian President Boris Yeltsin is the only person who can prevent Russia from back-sliding to the days of religious intolerance under the Soviet-Communist regime. The bill would give broad powers to the government to liquidate the holdings of minority religious groups and prevent them from publicly practicing and sharing their faith with others. Under the terms of the bill, *A religious organization could hold property only if local government officials acknowledge that the organization has been in operation for the past 15 years. Since religious freedom has come to Russia only in the past ten years, no Hindu organization would qualify. *To be recognized as a national religious organization, a group would have to prove nationwide operations for the past 50 years. Indian religious groups, including the largest and oldest of them - the International Society for Krishna Consciousness (ISKCON) - would have to wait at least 40 years before receiving federal recognition. Without federal recognition, no religious group could do such simple things as print or distribute religious literature, or publicly share their beliefs with people outside their own faith. There are more than 100 Hindu temples in Russia. Each one is locally incorporated, staffed, managed and financed and conforms with all local and Russian national laws. They also provide life-saving services to the larger community. For example, the Hare Krishna devotees serve more than 10,000 hot free meals a day to needy Russian citizens through 50 Hare Krishna Food for Life projects. Under the bill, these much-needed social services would be barred. If the bill is passed, Orthodox clerics in other countries of the former-Soviet Union will likely introduce similar legislation. Hundreds more temples may be lost. It is imperative that we act NOW to protect freedom of religion in the former Soviet Union. Please FAX your opposition to the bill to one of the following numbers TODAY. Please copy your federal Congressional representatives and ask them to communicate their opposition as well. Attached is a draft of a letter which could be sent to President Yeltsin. Please feel free to modify it to suit your own expression and experience. TIME IS VERY SHORT. THE BILL MAY GO TO PRESIDENT YELTSIN'S DESK BY JULY 7. PLEASE FAX YOUR LETTER IMMEDIATELY TO EITHER OF THE FOLLOWING: Mr. Ruslan Gennadyvich Orekhov Legal Directorate of the Office of the President FAX 007 095 206 3178 OR His Excellency Ambassador Vorontsov 2650 Wisconsin Avenue, NW, Washington, D.C. FAX 1-202-298-5735 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DSAMPLE = LETTER = BELOW=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D His Excellency President Boris Yeltsin The Kremlin Moscow, Russia Dear President Yeltsin: We understand that the Russian State Duma has recently passed legislation of religion that, if enacted, would ban or considerably limit the activities of those religious organizations that are comparatively fewer in number of their adherents or younger than the ones traditionally existing in Russia. For instance, the proposed law does not allow a religious organization to get an all-Russia status unless it was registered in Russia at least 50 years ago, or forbids registration of a local religious organization until 15 years after the time of its founding in a particular region of your country. Respecting the solemn right of the Russian parliament to adopt any laws thought to be conductive for the Russian society, we nevertheless cannot help but express our deepest concern over the later legislative initiative. As native Hindus living in the United States, we are very happy that despite our being so far away from our dear homeland India, by the grace of God we have the opportunity to practice our religion, Hinduism, through the devotees of the Hare Krishna religion, or the International Society for Krishna Consciousness. We come regularly to the Hare Krishna temples for our prayers, our mass (arati) and other religious functions. The Hare Krishna devotees are the priests who perform our marriages and other rituals exactly in the way they have been performed since time immemorial in Bharat-varsha, India. We know that the native Hindus living in Russia enjoy the same privileges by visiting over 100 Hare Krishna temples throughout Russia. In this way it is very easy for an Indian student or businessman in Russia to remain in close touch with our ancient 5000-year-old religious and cultural tradition in whatever Russian city we may decide to live and work. But now we have a grave apprehension that the new proposed law, if approved by Your Excellence, would greatly hinder the freedom of religious life in Russia and, in particular, would deprive Hindus living in Russia the possibility of publicly practicing our religion in Russia the way 800 million of Indians can in India and most of the democratic countries world-wide. We are very happy with the rapid development of economic and cultural exchange between India and Russia, but such a restrictive and, in fact, discriminative law would inevitably spoil the favourable conditions for the further growth of our relations. We appeal to Your Excellency not to enforce the law, which would obviously be a violation of basic human rights and democracy. The Hare Krishna movement belongs to the ancient Vaishnava faith within Hinduism, the world's oldest religion, and the fact it was not in Russia 50 years ago does not mean that it is not a bona fide religion. Now there are many denominations of Christianity present in India, including the Orthodox Church, and they can freely practice and preach their beliefs without being restricted, outlawed or ostracized from India as newcomers having no historical roots in Indian cultural soil. So we hope we can rightly expect the same attitude towards our Hindu religious organization, the Hare Krishna movement, in Russia. You became famous throughout the world as a freedom fighter, and indeed, your record as President points toward continued liberalization for the Russian people. Russia has made tremendous gains in freedom of expression and conscience under your administration. We are most appreciative of your courage to promote individual liberty in light of so many conservative forces at work within your country. This legislation would be a most unfortunate regression toward the intolerance of the past. We had hoped that we had seen the last of those days in the 1980s when Russian Hindu priests were arrested, jailed, tortured and killed in Soviet detention camps because they followed the calling of their conscience to serve God and help others. We once again beg Your Excellency to veto the law and to not allow religious bigotry to start flourishing in Russia anew. Thank you very much for your kind consideration. Sincerely yours, ------------------------------ End _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: = owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by qmgate.trw.com with ADMIN;7 Jul 1997 07:20:22 -0700 Received: from www10.clever.net by mailhub1.trw.com; Sun, 6 Jul 97 = 16:13:39 -0700 Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id = TAA12456; Sun, 6 Jul 1997 19:10:26 -0400 (EDT) From: VICHARAK@aol.com Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 19:09:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970706190948_-2113376007@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Alert- Hindu ttemples in Russia X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From cbanerj@ccs.neu.edu Wed Jul 16 14:04:22 1997 From: Chandan Bandopadhyay Message-Id: <199707161804.OAA14087@denali.ccs.neu.edu> Subject: Are you organizing the prayer meet? To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 14:04:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org GLOBAL FREEDOM PRAYER MEET (GFPM): ARE YOU ORGANIZING THE GFPM IN YOUR CITY/TOWN? > > This is the best way to salute Bharat Mata to commemorate the 50th > anniversary of independence. Please take few minutes to read > this message and act today to organize this event in your town/city. > > GFPM is being held all over the world at the same time: the time is Midnight > August 15 (Indian Standard Time). It is Thursday, 14th August in the US & > Canada and 2:30 PM in the East Coast and 11:30 AM in the West coast. Yes, > it is a weekday and many people are taking time off from their work for a > great cause. > > This short program (about half hour) involves raising Indian flag, singing > Vandemataram, offering peace prayers, paying tribute to freedom fighters, > paying homage to the millions who died for lack of freedom (including those who > died during partition), sing Janaganamana and the native national anthem. > > The program does not require lot of effort and resources. You need to do the > following: > > 1)Contact the city-hall/town hall to reserve the area near the flag poles > for the particular time (say 2 PM - 3:30 PM EST). Also, a room/hall should > be reserved (in case of rain) as a precaution. In many cases you may find > that the flag poles are already taken by others or some other organization has > booked the area already. In that case either do it in a room or in a seperate > location. > > 2)Invite the Mayor to officiate the event. Request him to proclaim the day > as India Day in the city. > > 3)Once things are in place, publicize through your network, radio tv etc. > for people to come. > > Remember, it is just matter of contacting the right persons, cities/towns > are eager to do such programs. We don't have to gather a large crowd either! > > A sample letter to the mayor, exact format of the program and other information > is available upon request. > > > DONT WAIT FOR ANOTHER DAY: PLEASE CALL UP YOUR CITY/TOWN HALL TODAY! > > For further assistance please visit our web page: > http://www.freeindia.org/ff97/global_prayer.html > > Phone: (617) 742-7193 or (718) 979-6144 > > EMAIL: ff97@freeindia.org > > > Freedom Festival 1997 is a series of programs and activities to be held > throughout North America to commemorate the momentous 50th Anniversary of > Indian Independence. FF97 is organized by Hindu Students Council together > with many Indo-American and Indo-Canadian organizations. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Vartalapa@aol.com Thu Jul 17 12:23:54 1997 From: Vartalapa@aol.com Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 12:23:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970717122320_-2044094479@emout17.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Are you organizing the prayer meet? X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Banerji, Yes we are organising a meeting! However I never heard back from you or Jwalant as you had mentioned. I give up!!! Renu S Malhotra _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From meghani@umich.edu Thu Jul 17 18:04:25 1997 Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 18:04:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Mihir Meghani X-Sender: meghani@galaxian.rs.itd.umich.edu To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: i am back In-Reply-To: <970717122320_-2044094479@emout17.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Namaste to all, I returned from Bharat 6 weeks ag, graduated from medical school, and am now doing a residency at Detroit Receiving Hospital in Emergency Medicine). This is a 3 yr program. I am slowly getting back in the flow of things. I hope to talkk to many of you soon, however, residency is a very time sonsuming thing. My new addr is PO Box 250304, W. Bloomfield, MI 48325-0304 If you send something not using US MAil, send to 6558 Stonebridge E, W. Bloomfield, MI 48322 ph: 248-788-9492, fax 248-442-7204 Regards, Mihir _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ragarwal@mednet.med.miami.edu Fri Jul 18 09:51:59 1997 From: ragarwal@mednet.med.miami.edu Date: Fri, 18 Jul 97 09:57:49 EST Message-Id: <9706188692.AA869244821@mednet.med.miami.edu> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: i am back X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Congratulations Mihir on your graduation in medicine and good luck in residency period. Ram Prakash Agarwal ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: i am back Author: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org at smtpmed Date: 7/17/97 6:16 PM Namaste to all, I returned from Bharat 6 weeks ag, graduated from medical school, and am now doing a residency at Detroit Receiving Hospital in Emergency Medicine). This is a 3 yr program. I am slowly getting back in the flow of things. I hope to talkk to many of you soon, however, residency is a very time sonsuming thing. My new addr is PO Box 250304, W. Bloomfield, MI 48325-0304 If you send something not using US MAil, send to 6558 Stonebridge E, W. Bloomfield, MI 48322 ph: 248-788-9492, fax 248-442-7204 Regards, Mihir _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From VICHARAK@aol.com Fri Jul 18 20:36:47 1997 From: VICHARAK@aol.com Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 20:36:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970718203612_60991767@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Fwd: Anti Sangh tirade- action item X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 7/18/1997 Dear GC members and chapter presidents: Namskaar. Please read the attached and try your best. also, pass it on to other sympathizers. Brotherly, Gaurang --------------------- Forwarded message: From: owner-hrinfo-digest@stallion.jsums.edu (hrinfo-digest) Sender: owner-hrinfo-digest@stallion.jsums.edu Reply-to: hrinfo@hindunet.org To: hrinfo-digest@stallion.jsums.edu Date: 97-07-17 13:34:56 EDT hrinfo-digest Thursday, July 17 1997 Volume 01 : Number 554 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Information Exchange Network | | (Calls for Action, Announcements, Need Help, Need Info, Field Work | | related, and other Important Unidirectional Messages ONLY) | | HR World Wide Web Site: http://hindunet.org/hr | | All HR Administrative related inquiries to: hrss@hindunet.org | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Today's Topics: ------------- CFA : Protest the Commie Protest about website Urgent: Info needed for tomorrow's protest Are you organizing the prayer meet? *----------------------------------------------------------------------* ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 08:07:21 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah Subject: CFA : Protest the Commie Protest about website +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Information Exchange Network | | (Calls for Action, Announcements, Need Help, Need Info, Field Work | | related, and other Important Unidirectional Messages ONLY) | | HR World Wide Web Site: http://hindunet.org/hr | | All HR Administrative related inquiries to: hrss@hindunet.org | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Protest against "protest against RSS dominated web site" Here is an interesting one. Commies are protesting New Yorker magazine designating one of the India related site as the best site, because it has not primary, not secondary, not tertiary but quarternary link to Sangh, VOI etc. sites (and commies call this site RSS dominated for having this quarternary link!!) The poor Indian grad student who put up the web site would have had no idea what is to hit him His India page has a link to Kashmir page (Kashyap), which commies protest. Then they are protesting the fact that Kashyam has links to hindutva.org, which has a link to RSS. Most likely the person who has floated the protest is clueless about internet (after all, at tis level, just about everyone in the world is connected), but that aside, we may want to at least help the Indian student out, and make sure that New Yorker does not get one sided propaganda Here is a clipping from Alt.India.Progressive - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 00:43:57 -0700 Subject: (fwd) RSS-dominated website From: Pratyush Bharati Newsgroups: alt.india.progressive Subject: RSS-dominated website Date: 15 Jul 1997 13:26:22 GMT Organization: None Lines: 125 Sender: Niraj "the Mirage" Pant Approved: Niraj Pant Message-ID: <5qftpu$9l8@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: unixs3.cis.pitt.edu Originator: kamat@unixs3.cis.pitt.edu Friends, Please read the following letter we are planning to send to New Yorker in response to an RSS-dominated website they recommended as "The Best" India website. Please look up the magazine and send your consent (to be included in the letter as a signee) to: "Cynthia A. Leenerts" Thanks. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Editor New Yorker July 13, 1997 Dear Editor: Subject: India website recommended in the "Only Connect" column, New Yorker, June 23/30, 1997 We the undersigned are drawing your attention to the "Only Connect" column (New Yorker, June 23/30, 1997) where the author advises the erudite readership of New Yorker to reach "The Best" of India at the following website: http://http.tamu.edu/~r0k5147/html/India.html. Even though the above website could easily be ranked as one with the most extensive information on India, it is the nature of the information we are deeply concerned about. As we followed the author's advise and began browsing through the various links, we were shocked to find out the politically biased and racially motivated details on India. The website through many of its links, gives us a one-sided view -- a view that has been championed by the Hindu religious right of India, particularly the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) and Shiv Sena (SS). In spite of its periodic social, economic, and political turmoils -- sometimes overblown by a section of the Western Press so hungry for "sensational" news "commodities", India has been the land of many languages, lifestyles, and religions, and preached and practiced harmony and tolerance. Over the many thousand years of its history, the great country and its people have shown the world how an enormous land mass of extreme diversity can exercise peace and togetherness. Our strong belief is that most Indians want to keep the nation that way. It is only the extreme conservative right-wing elements such as the RSS and SS (along with some Islamic fanatics) that are busy precipitating communal discord through what they theorize and practice. During the nineties, thousands of poor and innocent Indians -- both Muslims and Hindus, have fallen prey to their doctrine of hatred and lost their lives and properties. Some of the Hindu supremacist leaders have openly declared war on the Muslims and asked their followers to rape Muslim women. Some of them have praised in public Hitler and Nazi Germany as their role models. It is a civil war-like situation the Indians are living in now and raising their children in a climate of fear. The website in question is a prime example of the Hindu right's biased high-tech propaganda on the Internet. Considering the impact of the Internet on the young generation, it is extremely important to understand the extent of their distorted views. We can cite only a few examples here. We request the readership of New Yorker to carefully check into the site. Under the heading "States", one is directed to the "Hindutva" link. Hindutva or Hinduness is a concept that is now espoused by the above groups. The "Hindutva" link directs us to the official websites of RSS and its daughter organizations such as the Bharatiya Janata Party or BJP (their website is named Kamal Darshan). It also gives us some "information" on other religions practised in India -- such as Islam and Christianity. The link on Christianity is named "Christianity and India -- How Evangelists are Vying to Spread Gospel in India". RSS considers Christian missionaries to be one of their biggest enemies. The "Hindutva" site also links us to "Hindu Publications" -- all the publications mentioned therein are authored by RSS ideologues and known sympathizers -- Sita Ram Goel (who terms Jesus Christ a "junk"), Arun Shourie, Koenraad Elst. No liberal and well-known Hindu philosophers such as Dr. S. Radhakrishnan, Mahatma Gandhi, Rabindranath Tagore, or Krishnamurthy have been included. And we are not even mentioning philosophers such as Sri Chaitanya, Ramakrishna Paramahansa, or Ram Mohan Ray. Similarly, the link "Hindu Book Review" only cites works by RSS leaders and theorists -- the website creators or managers did not care to include any of the world-renowned pluralist authors and teachers India has given birth to over the thousands of years of its history. Under the "States" link, one can find a very hateful anti-Pakistan propaganda on the issue of Kashmir. Notwithstanding the fact that the separatist movement in Kashmir has been actively supported by Pakistani intelligence and the United Nations have ignored the plight of the state, it is the extent of hate-mongering against Pakistan that one can perceive at this link. Of course, BJP's foreign policy rests on the plank of anti-Pakistan propaganda and pro-N-war rhetoric. One can only imagine the future relationship between these two countries if and once the BJP comes to national power in the next Indian elections. We are deeply worried that the extensive readership of New Yorker would not know the true colors behind this grandiose website, and fall prey to their distortion of facts and indoctrination of hate. Most Western readers and tourists who are not politically informed think of India to be an exotic land famous for its mountain resorts and spicy curries. The fact is, India, as wonderful it is, is so because of its people and their practice of benevolence and tolerance -- a virtue that is not easily found in these days of rightist divisiveness. A magazine of high esteem such as the New Yorker must warn its readers against such divisiveness and lies. Thank you. Sincerely, Names (and addresses?) of writers ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 17:54:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dilip N. Deodhar" Subject: Urgent: Info needed for tomorrow's protest +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Information Exchange Network | | (Calls for Action, Announcements, Need Help, Need Info, Field Work | | related, and other Important Unidirectional Messages ONLY) | | HR World Wide Web Site: http://hindunet.org/hr | | All HR Administrative related inquiries to: hrss@hindunet.org | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Namaskaar, A full page advertisement/announcement appeared in India Abroad dated 18th July 97. Relevant lines are reproduced at the end. Tomorrow, we are planning a demonstration at this gallery. I urgently need some material for this. Please send e-mail ASAP (today) to dnd3@columbia.edu. 1) Some catchy slogans to put on the play-cards. (Husain Murdabad?) 2) Some material giving details - will be printed on 1/2 pages and distributed as pamphlets. Thank you so much. Dilip Deodhar - -.-.-.-.-.-. Part 1 of ad. -.-.-.-.-.-. CitiBank NRI Investments presents a special exhibition of Recent Works in Acrylic & Watercolor By M. F. Husain At Wallace Galleries 521 West, 23 rd street 2nd flr. New York, NY 10011 Tel: (212) 206-8350 On 17th & 18th of July, 1997 Between 11:00 a.m. - 6:00 p.m. - -.-.-.-.-.-. Part 2 of ad. -.-.-.-.-.-. When you begin a new relationship of US $ 50,000 or more, we'd like to present you a limited edition print (serigraph) of an M. F. Husain painting, specially painted by him on the occasion of 50 years of Indian Independence. The serigraph will be personally signed by him. - -.-.-.-.-.-. end -.-.-.-.-.-. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 14:05:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Chandan Bandopadhyay Subject: Are you organizing the prayer meet? +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Information Exchange Network | | (Calls for Action, Announcements, Need Help, Need Info, Field Work | | related, and other Important Unidirectional Messages ONLY) | | HR World Wide Web Site: http://hindunet.org/hr | | All HR Administrative related inquiries to: hrss@hindunet.org | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > GLOBAL FREEDOM PRAYER MEET (GFPM): > > ARE YOU ORGANIZING THE GFPM IN YOUR CITY/TOWN? > > This is the best way to salute Bharat Mata to commemorate the 50th > anniversary of independence. Please take few minutes to read > this message and act today to organize this event in your town/city. > > GFPM is being held all over the world at the same time: the time is Midnight > August 15 (Indian Standard Time). It is Thursday, 14th August in the US & > Canada and 2:30 PM in the East Coast and 11:30 AM in the West coast. Yes, > it is a weekday and many people are taking time off from their work for a > great cause. > > This short program (about half hour) involves raising Indian flag, singing > Vandemataram, offering peace prayers, paying tribute to freedom fighters, > paying homage to the millions who died for lack of freedom (including those who > died during partition), sing Janaganamana and the native national anthem. > > The program does not require lot of effort and resources. You need to do the > following: > > 1)Contact the city-hall/town hall to reserve the area near the flag poles > for the particular time (say 2 PM - 3:30 PM EST). Also, a room/hall should > be reserved (in case of rain) as a precaution. In many cases you may find > that the flag poles are already taken by others or some other organization has > booked the area already. In that case either do it in a room or in a seperate > location. > > 2)Invite the Mayor to officiate the event. Request him to proclaim the day > as India Day in the city. > > 3)Once things are in place, publicize through your network, radio tv etc. > for people to come. > > Remember, it is just matter of contacting the right persons, cities/towns > are eager to do such programs. We don't have to gather a large crowd either! > > A sample letter to the mayor, exact format of the program and other information > is available upon request. > > > DONT WAIT FOR ANOTHER DAY: PLEASE CALL UP YOUR CITY/TOWN HALL TODAY! > > For further assistance please visit our web page: > http://www.freeindia.org/ff97/global_prayer.html > > Phone: (617) 742-7193 or (718) 979-6144 > > EMAIL: ff97@freeindia.org > > > Freedom Festival 1997 is a series of programs and activities to be held > throughout North America to commemorate the momentous 50th Anniversary of > Indian Independence. FF97 is organized by Hindu Students Council together > with many Indo-American and Indo-Canadian organizations. ------------------------------ End of hrinfo-digest V1 #554 **************************** _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From VICHARAK@aol.com Fri Jul 18 20:40:28 1997 From: VICHARAK@aol.com Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 20:39:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970718203737_161674904@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Fwd: RUSSIAN VEGETARIAN FOOD RELIEF X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 7/18/1997 Dear GC members and chapter presidents: Namaste. Here is another important issue. Please send fax as indicated to Russian Embassy/Parliamanet, Russia. Thank you. Brotherly, Gaurang --------------------- Forwarded message: From: milind-deshpande@uiowa.edu (Milind Deshpande) To: akankani@mcimail.com Date: 97-07-10 16:52:22 EDT ------- Forwarded message follows ------- Dear Friends, I know that you are extremely busy with your own compassionate agendas, but if you would take a few minutes to read the attached message, I would be most grateful. The Russian Parliament on July 4 approved legislation that would curb religious freedom in the country and, consequently, outlaw the country's largest (and perhaps only) vegetarian hunger relief program. Hare Krishna Food for Life (HKFFL), a project of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness (ISKCON) operates 50 chapters in major Russian cities. HKFFL feeds more than 10,000 needy Russians a day. An international campaign is underway to convince Russian President Boris Yeltsin to veto the legislation. I have included information on the issue below. I hope that you will kindly read it and fax a letter to President Yeltsin asking him to veto the bill. We will need significant international input to overcome the intense lobbying by vested Russian interests in favor of the bill. Please forward this message to other vegetarians and vegetarian organizations that would be concerned. If you would like more information on the legislation, you may contact me. Thank you for your consideration. Premananda dasa ISKCON of New England Boston, MA, USA ================================================================= VEGETARIAN HUNGER RELIEF AGENCY UNDER ATTACK IN RUSSIA Bill Would Force Hare Krishna Food for Life to Close Down Dear Friends, It's an unusual case of biting the hand that feeds... Under a bill restricting religious freedom passed by the Russian Duma (legislature), the country's largest vegetarian food relief organization, Hare Krishna Food for Life (HKFFL), would be forced to shut down and its assets liquidated. The bill, promoted in part by conservative elements of the Russian Orthodox Church, would give partial legal rights to local synagogues, churches and monasteries that have been operating in Russia for the past 15 years. National religious organizations and affiliated projects like HKFFL would have to prove 50 years of service to receive legal rights and protection. HKFFL's parent organization, the International Society for Krishna Consciousness (ISKCON) was one of the first religious groups to receive official recognition under Gorbachev ten years ago. All ISKCON temples and projects would be liquidated under the new legislation. To the best of our knowledge, HKFFL is the only nationwide vegetarian hunger relief project in Russia. HKFFL operates 50 chapters in Russia serving more than 10,000 needy Russians each day. Hare Krishna volunteers from St. Petersburg set up a soup kitchen in a bombed school building in Grozny, Chechnya. For many residents of the embattled city, it was their only meal of the day. A New York Times article of December 12, 1995 reported: "Here, they have a reputation like the one Mother Teresa has in Calcutta: it's not hard finding people to swear they are saints. In a city full of lies, greed and corruption, the Krishnas deliver the goods. Each day they serve more than 1,000 hot meals, as many as any organization in the city." Earlier this year, one HKFFL volunteer was killed when the Grozny civilian hospital where he was delivering meals was shelled. Each HKFFL chapter is staffed by local volunteers receiving donations from individuals and governmental sources. All HKFFL personnel and kitchens are affiliated with Hare Krishna temples. HKFFL is also one of the largest proponents of vegetarianism in Russia today. The Hare Krishna movement publishes the country's best-selling vegetarian cookbook, The Higher Taste, and broadcasts vegetarian cooking shows on television. If the bill is signed into law, conservative forces in other former-Soviet nations will likely introduce similar legislation. Scores more Food for Life chapters may be lost. It is imperative that we act NOW to protect the growing vegetarian movement in Russia. Please FAX your opposition to the bill to one of the following numbers TODAY. Please copy your federal representatives and ask them to communicate their opposition as well. Attached is a draft of a letter which could be sent to President Yeltsin. Please feel free to modify it to suit your own expression and experience. TIME IS VERY SHORT. THE BILL IS ON PRESIDENT YELTSIN'S DESK. AT BEST WE HAVE ONE WEEK BEFORE THE BILL BECOMES LAW. PLEASE FAX YOUR LETTER IMMEDIATELY TO EITHER OF THE FOLLOWING: Mr. Ruslan Gennadyvich Orekhov, Legal Directorate of the Office of the President FAX 007 095 206 3178 OR His Excellency Ambassador Vorontsov, 2650 Wisconsin Avenue, NW, Washington, D.C. FAX 1-202-298-5735 ====================SAMPLE LETTER BELOW====================== His Excellency President Boris Yeltsin The Kremlin Moscow, Russia Dear President Yeltsin: We understand that the Russian State Duma has recently passed legislation entitled "On Freedom of Conscience and on Religious Associations". If enacted, the bill would ban or considerably limit the activities of minority religious organizations. For instance, the proposed law would forbid religious groups that have been registered in Russia for less than 50 years from engaging in charitable activities. One of the side effects of this legislation would be the liquidation of Russia's largest vegetarian food relief program, Hare Krishna Food for Life (HKFFL), a project of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness (ISKCON). HKFFL Global serves almost 15 million meals a year to disaster victims and the impoverished in more than 60 countries. HKFFL has 50 chapters in Russia serving more than 10,000 hot meals a day to needy men, women and children. Each chapter is staffed and managed by local volunteers (ISKCON's monks, nuns and priests) with donations from private and government sources. ISKCON has been registered in Russia for only the past ten years. As a vegetarian, I support the work of HKFFL to provide needy Russian citizens with a balanced, wholesome vegetarian diet. Rather than threatening HKFFL, Russian officials should be eager to cooperate with them to alleviate economic pressures on individuals as Russia makes the painful transition into the market economy. Last November in St. Petersburg, HKFFL treated the city's residents to a week-long International Festival of Vegetarianism. The festival included cultural programs, an interfaith conference and cooking demonstration, concerts and theatrical presentations. Eighteen thousand people, including invalids, orphans, veterans and labor heroes, were fed during the week. Not only would this legislation be a most unfortunate regression toward the religious intolerance of Russia's past, it would also mean that 10,000 Russians would go to bed hungry every night. I therefore request that you veto the bill. Thank you very much for your kind consideration. Sincerely yours, _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Fri Jul 18 20:49:32 1997 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 16:52:32 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Fwd: RUSSIAN VEGETARIAN FOOD RELIEF In-Reply-To: <970718203737_161674904@emout05.mail.aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Namaskar Gaurangbhai Can VHP-A issue a press release in this regards? Rajiv Varma is drafting a letter of protest, we can use that in press release form, and issue it on behalf of General Secretary of VHP-A? regards, ajay On Fri, 18 Jul 1997 VICHARAK@aol.com wrote: > 7/18/1997 > > Dear GC members and chapter presidents: > > Namaste. Here is another important issue. Please send fax as indicated to > Russian Embassy/Parliamanet, Russia. > > Thank you. > > Brotherly, > > Gaurang > --------------------- > Forwarded message: > From: milind-deshpande@uiowa.edu (Milind Deshpande) > To: akankani@mcimail.com > Date: 97-07-10 16:52:22 EDT > > > ------- Forwarded message follows ------- > Dear Friends, > > I know that you are extremely busy with your own compassionate agendas, > but if you would take a few minutes to read the attached message, I would > be most grateful. > > The Russian Parliament on July 4 approved legislation that would curb > religious freedom in the country and, consequently, outlaw the country's > largest (and perhaps only) vegetarian hunger relief program. > > Hare Krishna Food for Life (HKFFL), a project of the International > Society for Krishna Consciousness (ISKCON) operates 50 chapters in major > Russian cities. HKFFL feeds more than 10,000 needy Russians a day. > > An international campaign is underway to convince Russian President Boris > Yeltsin to veto the legislation. I have included information on the > issue below. I hope that you will kindly read it and fax a letter to > President Yeltsin asking him to veto the bill. > > We will need significant international input to overcome the intense > lobbying by vested Russian interests in favor of the bill. Please > forward this message to other vegetarians and vegetarian organizations > that would be concerned. > > If you would like more information on the legislation, you may contact > me. > > Thank you for your consideration. > > Premananda dasa > ISKCON of New England > Boston, MA, USA > ================================================================= > VEGETARIAN HUNGER RELIEF AGENCY UNDER ATTACK IN RUSSIA > Bill Would Force Hare Krishna Food for Life to Close Down > > Dear Friends, > > It's an unusual case of biting the hand that feeds... Under a bill > restricting religious freedom passed by the Russian Duma (legislature), > the country's largest vegetarian food relief organization, Hare Krishna > Food for Life (HKFFL), would be forced to shut down and its assets > liquidated. > > The bill, promoted in part by conservative elements of the Russian > Orthodox Church, would give partial legal rights to local synagogues, > churches and monasteries that have been operating in Russia for the past > 15 years. National religious organizations and affiliated projects like > HKFFL would have to prove 50 years of service to receive legal rights and > protection. > > HKFFL's parent organization, the International Society for Krishna > Consciousness (ISKCON) was one of the first religious groups to receive > official recognition under Gorbachev ten years ago. All ISKCON temples > and projects would be liquidated under the new legislation. > > To the best of our knowledge, HKFFL is the only nationwide vegetarian > hunger relief project in Russia. HKFFL operates 50 chapters in Russia > serving more than 10,000 needy Russians each day. Hare Krishna > volunteers from St. Petersburg set up a soup kitchen in a bombed school > building in Grozny, Chechnya. For many residents of the embattled city, > it was their only meal of the day. A New York Times article of December > 12, 1995 reported: "Here, they have a reputation like the one Mother > Teresa has in Calcutta: it's not hard finding people to swear they are > saints. In a city full of lies, greed and corruption, the Krishnas > deliver the goods. Each day they serve more than 1,000 hot meals, as > many as any organization in the city." Earlier this year, one HKFFL > volunteer was killed when the Grozny civilian hospital where he was > delivering meals was shelled. > > Each HKFFL chapter is staffed by local volunteers receiving donations > from individuals and governmental sources. All HKFFL personnel and > kitchens are affiliated with Hare Krishna temples. HKFFL is also one of > the largest proponents of vegetarianism in Russia today. The Hare > Krishna movement publishes the country's best-selling vegetarian > cookbook, The Higher Taste, and broadcasts vegetarian cooking shows on > television. > > If the bill is signed into law, conservative forces in other > former-Soviet nations will likely introduce similar legislation. Scores > more Food for Life chapters may be lost. It is imperative that we act > NOW to protect the growing vegetarian movement in Russia. Please FAX > your opposition to the bill to one of the following numbers TODAY. > Please copy your federal representatives and ask them to communicate > their opposition as well. > > Attached is a draft of a letter which could be sent to President Yeltsin. > Please feel free to modify it to suit your own expression and > experience. > > TIME IS VERY SHORT. THE BILL IS ON PRESIDENT YELTSIN'S DESK. AT BEST WE > HAVE ONE WEEK BEFORE THE BILL BECOMES LAW. PLEASE FAX YOUR LETTER > IMMEDIATELY TO EITHER OF THE FOLLOWING: > > Mr. Ruslan Gennadyvich Orekhov, Legal Directorate of the Office of the > President > FAX 007 095 206 3178 > > OR > > His Excellency Ambassador Vorontsov, 2650 Wisconsin Avenue, NW, > Washington, D.C. > FAX 1-202-298-5735 > > ====================SAMPLE LETTER BELOW====================== > > His Excellency President Boris Yeltsin > The Kremlin > Moscow, Russia > > Dear President Yeltsin: > > We understand that the Russian State Duma has recently passed legislation > entitled "On Freedom of Conscience and on Religious Associations". If > enacted, the bill would ban or considerably limit the activities of > minority religious organizations. For instance, the proposed law would > forbid religious groups that have been registered in Russia for less than > 50 years from engaging in charitable activities. > > One of the side effects of this legislation would be the liquidation of > Russia's largest vegetarian food relief program, Hare Krishna Food for > Life (HKFFL), a project of the International Society for Krishna > Consciousness (ISKCON). HKFFL Global serves almost 15 million meals a > year to disaster victims and the impoverished in more than 60 countries. > > HKFFL has 50 chapters in Russia serving more than 10,000 hot meals a day > to needy men, women and children. Each chapter is staffed and managed by > local volunteers (ISKCON's monks, nuns and priests) with donations from > private and government sources. ISKCON has been registered in Russia for > only the past ten years. > > As a vegetarian, I support the work of HKFFL to provide needy Russian > citizens with a balanced, wholesome vegetarian diet. Rather than > threatening HKFFL, Russian officials should be eager to cooperate with > them to alleviate economic pressures on individuals as Russia makes the > painful transition into the market economy. > > Last November in St. Petersburg, HKFFL treated the city's residents to a > week-long International Festival of Vegetarianism. The festival included > cultural programs, an interfaith conference and cooking demonstration, > concerts and theatrical presentations. Eighteen thousand people, > including invalids, orphans, veterans and labor heroes, were fed during > the week. > > Not only would this legislation be a most unfortunate regression toward > the religious intolerance of Russia's past, it would also mean that > 10,000 Russians would go to bed hungry every night. I therefore request > that you veto the bill. > > Thank you very much for your kind consideration. > > Sincerely yours, > > > > > > _____________________________ > For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From VICHARAK@aol.com Fri Jul 18 20:53:35 1997 From: VICHARAK@aol.com Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 20:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970718205039_1014886048@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Fwd: Appeal from Indian consulate X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 7/18/1997 Dear GC members and chapter presidents: Namaste. This is the third mail I am forwarding to all of you. Even if you cannot act on all three of them. please try to act on at least one. Thanks. Brotherly, Gaurang --------------------- Forwarded message: From: milind-deshpande@uiowa.edu (Milind Deshpande) To: INDIA-NEWS@INDNET.ORG Date: 97-07-15 08:30:43 EDT Dear Friends: Congressman Dan Burton proposes to move an amendment to the Foreign Operations Appropriation Bill suggesting cut in US aid to India. The amendment is to be discussed on July 16, 1997. You have been very helpful in apprising your congressman of the concerns of the Indo-American community with regards to amendments moved by him in the past. We would request for your help in this year also. A suggested draft letter is enclosed. you may send it to your senator/congressman urging him to oppose the amendment. Dear Congressman, This is to seek your personal attention to a matter of great importance to the people of India. we have been informed that Hon'ble Congressman Burton from Indiana plans to once again introduce an amendment to the Foreign Operations Appropriations Bill to place limitations on US assistance to India and it is likely to be discussed on Wednesday, July 16, 1997. The introduction of amendment against world's largest democracy which has consistently championed the cause of human rights and freedom is not appropriate particularly when 950 million people of india start preparations to celebrate 50th anniversary of her independence. We rely upon friends like you who have good understanding of India in ensuring that such irritants do not come into the way of the world's largest democracy. with regards, yours sincerely, Please find phone/Fax number of your representative in blue pages of your phone book. Milind Deshpande 1314 Oakcrest St, Iowa City 319-351-6343 _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From VICHARAK@aol.com Sat Jul 19 11:40:20 1997 From: VICHARAK@aol.com Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 11:39:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970719113947_474437742@emout13.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: M. .F Hussain X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 7/19/1997 Dear GC members and Chapter presidents: Namaste. Attached is a report on demonstration against exhibition of MF Hussain's paintings in a New York art (!) gallery. Just for your information. You can send your views to the email address in this news item. Brotherly, Gaurang _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Teleprime@aol.com Sat Jul 19 16:52:06 1997 From: Teleprime@aol.com Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 16:51:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970719165132_581844715@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: M. .F Hussain X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Namaste, There is no attachment with your email. Raj Dave' 19/July/1997 _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From p479@hopi.dtcc.edu Sat Jul 19 19:02:55 1997 Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 19:02:45 -0400 (EDT) From: HARISH C PANDYA To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: M. .F Hussain In-Reply-To: <970719113947_474437742@emout13.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gauran Ji Jai Shri Ram. Many a time I am unable to read your message when you say attached. This message I could not read. May I request you to put complete text in your future mailing. Thanks. Harish Pandya _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From VICHARAK@aol.com Sat Jul 19 22:13:48 1997 From: VICHARAK@aol.com Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 22:13:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970719221314_-1543099058@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: MF Hussain attached! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="PART.BOUNDARY.0.29093.emout15.mail.aol.com.869364794" X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --PART.BOUNDARY.0.29093.emout15.mail.aol.com.869364794 Content-ID: <0_29093_869364794@emout15.mail.aol.com.6893> Content-type: text/plain dear sarvashree/shreeamti: Namaste. Looks like I forgot to attach the file with my last letter on this subject. My apologies. Thanks to Raj Dave and Harishbhai Pandya for drawing my attention. Brotherly, Gaurang --PART.BOUNDARY.0.29093.emout15.mail.aol.com.869364794 Content-ID: <0_29093_869364794@emout15.mail.aol.com.6894> Content-type: text/plain; name="HUSSAIN.TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0D Reply-to: hrinfo@hindunet.org To: hrinfo-digest@stallion.jsums.edu =0D hrinfo-digest Friday, July 18 1997 Volume 01 : Number 5= 55 =0D Today's Topics: ------------- =0D Husian - protest *----------------------------------------------------------------------* =0D Namaskaar, =0D Overall, we had a succesful day. We were about 25 people protesting = for almost the whole day at the gallery. = This small 2 room gallery belongs to a muslim person called Ibrahim. = We had 7-8 play cards and a one page (two sides) pamphlet (see at = the end) for distribution. = =0D As we had expected, only one person came to see the exibition. Husain = came around 2 pm. We were standing downstairs, so we went with him to = the second floor. Funny, in the elevator, there were 5 of us with Hussai= n = in the middle!! If only that elevator was in India! Now, don't get any = ideas :) I am a firm believer in peaceful solutions. = =0D In next 5 minutes (as if on cue) the film producer Ismail Merchant = (of Merchant-Ivory production - at least 17 movies) = arrived with a copule of people and an India Abroad photographer. They = took some pictures of themselves and before they went away, we had a smal= l = verbal confrontation, not with Husain, but with Ismail. Plenty of picture= s = were taken, some of which will probably appear in India Abroad. = =0D I was very surprised to discover that this Ismail is an extremely fanatic= = hindu hater! His face became red, he was talking incoherently, he even = used the F.. word, which we later confirmed with the IA photographer (who= = also served as the reporter) that he had heard it. He said that he will = tell about the F.. word to Gopal Raju (IA owner). But I will be surprised= = if Raju puts it in the news item. BTW, in future, we should keep track of= = Ismail's activities. = =0D Four of us later went to meet the regional VP or area manager for NRI = investments of CitiBank, Mr. Vikram Jaipuri. In short, we told him that = we would like the CitiBank to dissocite itself form Husain. We also = asked to see the president of CitiBank. (This by the way, was advised to = to us by a couple of white American managers as we chatted with them = while we were waiting for Vikram. They had said that such decisions can = only be taken at a higher level.) = =0D My reading is that, in the first place, Vikram himself may be involved in= = promoting Hussain's name, as a promotional vehicle to CitiBank higher-ups= =2E = So, as expected, he tried to stall. He said he will get in touch with = us in one or two days through their public relations officer. He also doe= s = not want us to see the president. In fact, he said there is no such = president, under whose supervision, the NRI investment department comes(!). = =0D We had already acquired the address and phone number of the president fro= m = the white managers. As it was about 5pm, we decided to try to meet = him tomorrow (18th). = =0D Jay Bajarang Balee!! =0D -.-.-.-.- the pamphlet -.-.-.-.- =0D On Jan 16, 1997, Maqbool Fida Husain was interrogated by the police in = connection with the controversy over his nude painting of Hindu Goddess = Saraswati. Joint police commissioner (crime) R. S. Sharma told that the = Mumbai branch of the CID, registered cases under Section 295 A and = 153 A of the Indian Penal Code IPC) against Husain, following written = complaints by citizen for "hurting the religious sentiments of society." =0D The police charged him with creating enmity between different groups of = people on grounds of religion and for outraging religious feelings. = According to the Times of India, Hussain replied, "The outrage regarding = his 'offensive' sketch of goddess Saraswati was a natural reaction from = some section of society." He emphatically said he that he was not sorry = for what had happened. = =0D 'Quran society' also sought action against Husain: In Free Press Journal,= = Oct. 1996, Quran-Hindi Society asked the union government to take = stringent action against the artist, M F Hussain. He was charged of = denigrating Hindu deities in his paintings. Farooq Argali, society's = founder General Secretary, while condemning Hussain's `indecent' = paintings, said, "India is a secular nation and here no body has the = right to hurt anyone's religious feelings." = =0D Husain has earlier drawn nudes of another hindu goddess, Sita, which = were published in the Illustrated Weekly of India in the mid-seventies = when Mr Kushwant Singh was the editor. On receiving protests from its = readers, the duo apologized to readers and public for offending their = feelings. = =0D In Mumbai, Husain grandly announced in his interview to Times of India = in Jan. 97: "Controversies make life more interesting." Following the = public uproar over his 'offensive' sketch of goddess Saraswati, he had = spent previous three months in virtual confinement abroad. He said: = "The people who protest are ignorant. My sketch implied that she was = so pure that she did not need to be covered with clothes. I cannot be = held responsible for the violence that broke out later." = =0D -.-.-.-.- =0D Opinion of an artist =0D I am an architect and a keen student of Indian art, architecture and = iconography, I have studied Husain's sketch of Saraswati, and I beg to = differ with his interpretation. =0D According to Indian iconographic principles, Saraswati is portrayed as = a beautiful woman clad in white clothes (shubhra vastravrita), seated = or standing on a white lotus (svet padmasana) and having two or four = arms. She plays the veena, symbolizing music and the fine arts. When = four-armed, her emblems are the veena, a book (indicating her = association with learning) and a rosary. Her usual mount is a swan = (hamsa), a symbol of purity and knowledge, and occasionally a parrot = (suka) or a peacock. Her mudra is vyakhyana. =0D Iconography literally means, writing with images' and these images were = the outcome of a beautiful interaction between philosophy, religion, = literature and the arts which had its own meaning and purpose and still = continues to excite the admiration of the civilized world. = =0D Why should these beautiful symbols of our art and culture be destroyed = in the garb of 'artistic and intellectual freedom?' = =0D I had to face the ire of Husain once simply because I miss-spelt his = name with an extra 's' which he did not approve; if he is so = sentimental about the spelling of his name, why should he assume = liberty to tinker with iconographic language which has a deep symbolic = meaning? =0D "Nations are created by poets and artists," said Ananda Coomaraswamy, = that great savant of our art and culture, "not by merchants and = politicians." To quote Dr Radhakrishnan: "Consideration for the = feelings of others is the greatest mark of culture." = And Mr Husain is an honorable man. = =0D -.-.-.-.-. =0D It will be wrong to say that all art is commercial, but Maqbool Fida = Hussain is nothing if not commercial. Some say, that he is India's = richest artist. Suffice it to say that no-one courts controversy (read = publicity), and the rich and the famous the way Hussain does. It has = paid him rich dividends. = =0D It was Hussain who had depicted Indira Gandhi as Durga during Indira's = Emergency. Even artists are expected to have a conscience. Hussain = revealed he had none when he endorsed that darkest chapter in India's = history since Independence. = =0D For his proximity to the Establishment he was nominated to the Rajya = Sabha. How India's parliamentary life was enriched by his induction = is not known, but Hussain certainly put his six-year stint to good use = when he painted the parliamentary life for commercial exploitation. = There is really nothing that he would not exploit to fuel the Hussain = legend. In that lies his commercial success. And in these days of = hawala, fodder and telecom and a dozen other scams, one's success = or failure, including an artist's is measured only in the price one = is able to command. = =0D And Hussain indeed commands a lot of price for his works of art! = Even the number of times he sees a Madhuri Dixit starrer must be the = stuff of society gossip for it eventually enriches the cause of art, = these certainly add to his, bank balance substantially. =0D His latest act meant to further the Hussain legend is the painting of = Hindu goddesses in a manner which is hurtful to the sensibilities of = the devout Hindus. Depicting Saraswati and Durga in the nude in the = company of various animals and identifying them by name on each = canvas was bound to be a provocative act for a certain section of = the people. = =0D Hussain, and his numerous friends in the well-heeled circle, cannot = take shelter behind usual argument about artistic license. Curiously, = this artistic license seems to be one-dimensional even for an artist = of Hussain's stature for never has he drawn someone whom he is = forbidden to draw by the religious faith he pursues. = =0D The resulting controversy is bound to add substantially to the = millions that Hussain has already amassed by marketing his works = largely to the cash-rich of this country. Now that those printings = have attracted media attention, Hussain may well have no problem = expressing regret for hurting the religious feelings of Hindu = society... His paintings have become value-added anyway. = =0D Whatever happened to the artist as the conscience of the society? = The socially aware artist? The less said about Hussain religious = and political preference, the better. Let's confine ourselves to = his preoccupation with commerce alone. Hussain would be sorrier, = only if he were to be ignored. = =0D -.-.-.-.- =0D ------------------------------ =0D End of hrinfo-digest V1 #555 **************************** --PART.BOUNDARY.0.29093.emout15.mail.aol.com.869364794-- _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Vartalapa@aol.com Mon Jul 21 11:34:54 1997 From: Vartalapa@aol.com Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 11:34:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970721113250_-89861949@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: MF Hussain attached! X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Friends, Everyday I am reading about issues related to religion. Is it time for us to push for a code of ethics , applicable to all ? There could be an understanding that at the very least ,that people outside a particular faith will not tamper with or express opinions in the media. Without this sort of a code, in a multi-cultural,multi-religious information age, a lot of energy may go, simply towards resolving such issues. Hindus, especially do not enjoy this constant irritation, for we strongly believe in leaving other religions alone if they will show us the same courtsey. However, constant attacks from evangilists who want to secure a place in Heaven, Mullas, who want to control their people as well as others and now multi-Nationals, who cannot see past the bottom line, are forcing a generally tolerent ,peaceful people to react and in time also become insensitive like them. I am not sure how one should go about this, but surely other faiths who have been heaping desrtuction on us for centuries, inspite of which Hindus have shown remarkable constrain, know that time for a one sided game is over!! In my opinion some effort should be made by people of all faiths to resolve this issue. Smt.Renu S Malhotra _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From p479@hopi.dtcc.edu Thu Jul 24 23:10:24 1997 Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 23:10:15 -0400 (EDT) From: HARISH C PANDYA To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: MF Hussain attached! In-Reply-To: <970721113250_-89861949@emout05.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Renu Ji Jai Shri Ram. We Hindus have become coward I do not know from whose teachings. Mariyad Pursotam Shri Ram and Lila Pursotam Shri Krishna both tought us first to establish your strength and then talk. I see we are being insulted and we pocket it under the name of our greatness. I call it cowardis. I think it is enough at this time. I would have certainly written more but my exams. are comming and I am very busy in production of Hindus contribution to the World and Freedom Struggle Slide shows so I will leave for others to think about the messages given by the Two Avtara . Harish Pandy Mon, 21 Jul 1997 Vartalapa@aol.com wrote: > Friends, > > Everyday I am reading about issues related to religion. Is it time for us to > push for a code of ethics , applicable to all ? There could be an > understanding that at the very least ,that people outside a particular faith > will not tamper with or express opinions in the media. Without this sort of a > code, in a multi-cultural,multi-religious information age, a lot of energy > may go, simply towards resolving such issues. Hindus, especially do not > enjoy this constant irritation, for we strongly believe in leaving other > religions alone if they will show us the same courtsey. However, constant > attacks from evangilists who want to secure a place in Heaven, Mullas, who > want to control their people as well as others and now multi-Nationals, who > cannot see past the bottom line, are forcing a generally tolerent ,peaceful > people to react and in time also become insensitive like them. > > I am not sure how one should go about this, but surely other faiths who have > been heaping desrtuction on us for centuries, inspite of which Hindus have > shown remarkable constrain, know that time for a one sided game is over!! In > my opinion some effort should be made by people of all faiths to resolve this > issue. > > Smt.Renu S Malhotra > > _____________________________ > For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From rvarma@ccaix.jsums.edu Sat Jul 26 15:24:34 1997 Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 14:17:26 -0500 (CDT) From: "R. Varma" To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: MF Hussain attached! In-Reply-To: <970721113250_-89861949@emout05.mail.aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, 21 Jul 1997 Vartalapa@aol.com wrote: > Friends, > Namaskaar, > Everyday I am reading about issues related to religion. Is it time for us to > push for a code of ethics , applicable to all ? There could be an > understanding that at the very least ,that people outside a particular faith > will not tamper with or express opinions in the media. Without this sort of a > code, in a multi-cultural,multi-religious information age, a lot of energy > may go, simply towards resolving such issues. Hindus, especially do not Code of Ethics/Conduct (in a multi-religious) is is a noble idea. However, this can prove to be a double-edged sword. I am not sure how best to explain this, but will nevertheless try .. You see, if we Hindus agree to a Code of Conduct in this matter then we would be expected to honor it, and then any criticism of Islam/Christianity would become difficult, or even impossible. This is like taking a basket of apples home ignoring the rotten ones in it. > enjoy this constant irritation, for we strongly believe in leaving other ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > religions alone if they will show us the same courtsey. However, constant ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ not at all. Hindus must not give up their right to self-defense. Any Hindu counter-attack on Islam/Christianity is self-defense. (unfortunately no organization has taken up this task). > Smt.Renu S Malhotra > There is no immediate solution to this problem. Hindus will have to keep fighting, for a very looooong time to come. namaste, Rajiv _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Sun Jul 27 21:37:41 1997 Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 17:39:54 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: hsc@undnj.edu Cc: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Announcement : GHEN and Hinduism Today Collaboration Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am pleased to announce that GHEN has entered into a collaborative arrangement with Hinduism Today whereby GHEN will be able to take the material from the vast resources of Hinduism Today archives and put it in its own web site "The Hindu Universe" It is well acknowledged that Hinduism Today is one of the most prominent glbal Hindu news magazine. Its articles are well presented, balanced and well written. Over past several years, Hinduism Today has tackled several complicated issues and presented them in a easy and understandable fashion. Hindu Universe, a project of GHEN is acknowledged as one of the most comprehensive WWW site on Hindu dharma in the world. Hinduism Today collaboration is the 12 th. content collaboration for GHEN. GHEN supports or sponsors six domain names and has over 15,000 documents on its Hindu Universe and other web sites. Currently Hindu Universe is undergoing its third major revision. Hinduism Today banner advertisements will also appear in the Hindu Universe, with a significant portion of non-student subscription revenue going to HSC. Hinduism Today will carry a link to Hindu Universe and HSC home pages. Student subscription to Hinduism Today will be discounted by 50%. This is a second financial collaboration for GHEN. The first one, implemented about 8 days ago, is with Web Magazine. More details about the implementation of HT/GHEN collaboration will be forthcoming. regards, ajay _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Mon Jul 28 00:01:14 1997 Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 20:03:14 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: hsc@umdnj.edu Cc: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Announcement : Hindu Community Events Calandar Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It is our pleasure to announce the completely re-vamped "Hindu Community Events Calandar" on the Hindu Universe, sponsored by GHEN. The Hindu Community Events Calandar, co-sponsored by VHP-A and HSC is a listing of community events listing. It also has provisions for listing of the special one-time events an recurring events. In addition, a list of upcoming festivals (next 3 months) with a brief explanation are also listed. The Events Calander is accessible from the URL : http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_events/ Hindu temples and organizations are welcome to use this community resource to announce their upcoming events. The entire calendar is entirely automated, Shree Srinivas Bolishetty has done all the programming for this page. (srinivas@rahul.net) regards, ajay _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Pallod@aol.com Mon Jul 28 08:52:13 1997 From: Pallod@aol.com Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 08:51:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970728085141_1016018651@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Announcement : GHEN and Hinduism Today Collaboration X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Good job Ajay. This is a major achievement in my point of view. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From HHParikh@aol.com Mon Jul 28 18:50:14 1997 From: HHParikh@aol.com Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 18:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970728184800_-489315505@emout13.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Announcement : GHEN and Hinduism Today Collaboration X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Congratulation to you and your team. I am now becomming aregalar visitor to temple site . I wil write tou in more detal later. Best regards Hasit _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From cbanerj@ccs.neu.edu Tue Jul 29 12:04:36 1997 From: Chandan Bandopadhyay Message-Id: <199707291604.MAA06690@denali.ccs.neu.edu> Subject: URGENT - GLOBAL FREEDOM PRAYER. To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 12:04:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namaste. So far a very few people from our GC have responded to the prayer meet plan. We still have couple of weeks to work on this. This unique opportunity to bring a spirit of unity and solidarity should not be wasted. If you have difficulty to do it at the city/town hall, at least we could do it in the community center; doing it in the city hall is not that difficult and we did not require a large crowd or huge organization to do all this!! Please think about this and see if someone can assist you. In the mean time we are getting messages from various renowned people to read at this events. We have got message from H.H. Dalai Lama and Atalji and expecting from President & PM from Bharat, President Mandela, President Clinton, PM Pandey from Trinidad, King of Nepal and others. Also, the proclamation by Mayor Mr. Menino of Boston is a good one. Please contact us if you want copies of these to be faxed to you. Apart from some smaller cities and towns we are trying to do this in the following large cities and some of them are confirmed: Ann Arbor, Atlanta, Boston, Cambridge, Chicago, Detroit, Hartford, Houston, L.A., Miami, Montreal, New York, Sandiego, San Francisco, Toronto, Washington D.C. Vandemataram. With regards, Kanchan. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From SSOMANI@wpsmtp.siumed.edu Tue Jul 29 12:57:47 1997 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 11:50:57 -0600 From: Satu Somani To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: URGENT - GLOBAL FREEDOM PRAYER. -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Shri Bandhopadhyayji: Namaskar Thank you very much for your e-mail. We will be meeting in Springfield IL at First Presbyterian Church in the Downtown area on 14th of August at 1:30 PM for Vandematram and prayers. I will appreciate if you would send me the messages received from dignitaries as you indicated in your e-mail. FAX # 217 524 0145. Satu M. Somani 3617 Briana Dr. Springfield, IL 62707-4979 _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Babu.Gandhi@trw.com Tue Jul 29 13:50:46 1997 Message-ID: Date: 29 Jul 1997 10:30:27 -0700 From: "Babu Gandhi" Subject: Re: URGENT - GLOBAL FREEDOM To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; Name="Message Body" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Message Body" X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Ajay We will have prayer meetings at minimum four places in L.A. area. Will send detail ASAP. Babubhai Gandhi ------------------------------ Date: 7/29/97 9:50 AM To: Gandhi, Babu From: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namaste. So far a very few people from our GC have responded to the prayer meet = plan. We still have couple of weeks to work on this. This unique opportunity to bring a spirit of unity and solidarity should not be wasted. If you have difficulty to do it at the city/town hall, at least we could do it in the community center; doing it in the city hall is not that = difficult and we did not require a large crowd or huge organization to do all = this!! Please think about this and see if someone can assist you. In the mean time we are getting messages from various renowned people to read at this = events. We have got message from H.H. Dalai Lama and Atalji and expecting from President & PM from Bharat, President Mandela, President Clinton, PM Pandey from Trinidad, King of Nepal and others. Also, the proclamation by = Mayor Mr. Menino of Boston is a good one. Please contact us if you want copies of these to be faxed to you. Apart from some smaller cities and towns we are trying to do this in the following large cities and some of them are confirmed: Ann Arbor, Atlanta, Boston, Cambridge, Chicago, Detroit, Hartford, = Houston, L.A., Miami, Montreal, New York, Sandiego, San Francisco, Toronto, Washington D.C. Vandemataram. With regards, Kanchan. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: = owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by qmgate.trw.com with ADMIN;29 Jul 1997 09:25:40 -0800 Received: from www10.clever.net by mailhub1.trw.com; Tue, 29 Jul 97 = 09:19:29 -0700 Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.6/8.6.9) id = MAA12246; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 12:04:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Chandan Bandopadhyay Message-Id: <199707291604.MAA06690@denali.ccs.neu.edu> Subject: URGENT - GLOBAL FREEDOM PRAYER. To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 12:04:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta2] X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From cbanerj@ccs.neu.edu Tue Jul 29 14:41:54 1997 From: Chandan Bandopadhyay Message-Id: <199707291841.OAA10446@denali.ccs.neu.edu> Subject: Re: URGENT - GLOBAL FREEDOM PRAYER. -Reply To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 14:41:48 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: from "Satu Somani" at Jul 29, 97 11:50:57 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namaste again, We will fax the messages and a suggested format of the event with the text to everybody requesting for the same in a day or two. Regards, Kanchan > > Shri Bandhopadhyayji: Namaskar > Thank you very much for your e-mail. We will be meeting in > Springfield IL at First Presbyterian Church in the Downtown area on 14th > of August at 1:30 PM for Vandematram and prayers. I will appreciate if > you would send me the messages received from dignitaries as you > indicated in your e-mail. FAX # 217 524 0145. > Satu M. Somani > 3617 Briana Dr. > Springfield, IL 62707-4979 > > _____________________________ > For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From cbanerj@ccs.neu.edu Wed Jul 30 17:22:22 1997 From: Chandan Bandopadhyay Message-Id: <199707302122.RAA10638@denali.ccs.neu.edu> Subject: Global Prayer: Suggested Format To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 17:22:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namaste, I'm posting here since many of you asked for it. Suggestions are welcome. Regards, Kanchan > > Global Freedom Prayer Meet (GFPM) > > > > Suggested Program Content/Format: > > > Assemble in a large place (preferably an open public > place ) such as near the city/town hall, main assembly > place on college campus. Sharp at midnight (IST): > > "This day marks the 50th anniversary of the independence > of India that is Bharat. 50 years ago, at this very moment > Indian people regained their political freedom after 1000 > years of continuous struggle against foreign oppression. > Let us hoist the flag to commemorate this great moment > in our history." > > After Flag hoisting: > “Now we are going to sing the national song of India to > salute Mother India” > Sing Vandemataram. > > “India is home to over 900 million people, which is about > one sixth of the world population. India is the largest > democratic nation in the world. Throughout the ages > India has contributed immensely to the human > civilizations in many different ways.” > > Will Durant, well known American historian said: "India > was the mother of our race and Sanskrit the mother of > Europe's languages. She was the mother of our > philosophy, mother through the Arabs, of much of our > mathematics, mother through Buddha, of the ideals > embodied in Christianity, mother through village > communities of self-government and democracy. Mother > India is in many ways the mother of us all." > > Brief talk by the Mayor, Community leader. > Read the messages from well-known personalities. > > "Now we are going to remember and salute those great > leaders of the world who sacrificed their lives for > freedom. Today we remember the great leaders such as > Guru Govind Singh, Chatrapati Shivaji, Maha Rana > Pratap, Rani Lakxmibai, Lokamanya Bal Gangadhar > Tilak, Mahatma Gandhi, Netaji Subhas Bose, Veer > Savarkar, Bhagat Singh and numerous great leaders who > gave up everything to fight injustice and imperialism and > colonialism of oppressive forces in India. > > We remember great leaders of the world such as George > Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Martin Luther King and > others . We salute His Holiness Dalai Lama, President > Nelson Mandela and other great living souls." > > > Global Freedom Prayer Meet (GFPM) > > > > Suggested Program Content/Format: ….contd. > > > "We sadly remember those who lived traumatic lives > under the attacks of Sakas, Huns & Kushanas in India. > We remember all those who suffered during 1000 years > of invasions, destructions and oppression of foreign > forces in in India. We remember those millions who died > during the religious crusades and Jihads worldwide. We > remember those who died during the Jews holocaust. > Today, we remember those millions of people who > suffered and died under various communist regimes. > > 50 years ago, on this day, India was divided and hundreds > of thousands of people were totally uprooted and were > brutally killed in one of the saddest incidents in the world > history. The torture, rapes, tears and cries of thousands of > helpless people still echoes in the air.” > > “We will now put flowers to pay our homage to all the > freedom fighters around the world and all those who lost > their lives due to oppressive forces.” > > Put flower on the altar. > > "Now we will have prayers for the peace and prosperity > of India and the world" > Prayer (with translation) for peace and prosperity: > Shanti Mantra: ‘Oum Dheya Shantih…’ > Prosperity Mantra: ‘Sarve bhavantu sukhina…’ > Prayers by other groups > > Sing Indian National anthem: ‘Janaganamana…’ > Sing Native National anthem. > Vote of thanks. > > > > > 3 > > > > _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From cbanerj@ccs.neu.edu Wed Jul 30 17:40:37 1997 From: Chandan Bandopadhyay Message-Id: <199707302140.RAA10993@denali.ccs.neu.edu> Subject: Message from H.H.Dalai Lama To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 17:40:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > THE DALAI LAMA > > MESSAGE > > I am pleased to learn that the 50th anniversary of India’s > independence, under the title: “Freedom Festival 1997” is > being commemorated this August 15th in North America by > the Hindu Students Council and other organizations. > > Being a staunch believer in non-violence, I have great > admiration for Mahatma Gandhi’s non-violent movement in > achieving India’s freedom from Britain. We Tibetans are also > trying to set a practical example of non-violence as a means > to regain Tibet’s freedom. > > The suppression of the rights and freedoms of people by > anyone is against human nature. The recent movements for > democracy in various parts of the world are a clear indication > of this. Freedom is a source of human happiness and it also > enable creativity to manifest freely. Freedom is, therefore, of > the utmost importance to the human society. > > No matter what part of the world we come from, we are all > basically the same human beings. We all seek happiness and > do not want suffering. All of us human beings want freedom > and the right to determine our own destiny as individuals and > as peoples. Having lost our land and freedom to China, and > having had a centuries-old historical and cultural relationship > with India, we Tibetans can understand the Indian jubilation > in commemorating the 50th anniversary of their country’s > independence. I am, therefore, happy to add my personal > good wishes on this occasion. > > SIGNED > July 18, 1997. > > > _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Vartalapa@aol.com Thu Jul 31 13:04:11 1997 From: Vartalapa@aol.com Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 13:03:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970731130340_-972495741@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: URGENT - GLOBAL FREEDOM PRAYER. X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Kanchan, I have given up trying to get in touch. At least you can aknowledge our efforts in G Rapids, Mi.I sent an email telling about our plan to celebrate here on the 10th and 15th of Aug. I would appriciate getting the faxes that you just mentioned.On the !5th we will celebrate @ the Eberhard Center, Grand Valley State University is our sponcer.Details later. Fax no. 616-940-1603 Thank you! Renu S Malhotra _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From cbanerj@ccs.neu.edu Thu Jul 31 13:59:16 1997 From: Chandan Bandopadhyay Message-Id: <199707311759.NAA29807@denali.ccs.neu.edu> Subject: Re: URGENT - GLOBAL FREEDOM PRAYER. To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 13:59:13 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <970731130340_-972495741@emout15.mail.aol.com> from "Vartalapa@aol.com" at Jul 31, 97 01:03:40 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namaste Renuji, Sorry for the delay in replying. We are aware of the programs planned in Grand Rapids and we are sure that it will be a wonderful event. The GFPM related info has been faxed to you already. Hope to speak to you soon. Regards, Kanchan > > Kanchan, > > I have given up trying to get in touch. At least you can aknowledge our > efforts in G Rapids, Mi.I sent an email telling about our plan to celebrate > here on the 10th and 15th of Aug. I would appriciate getting the faxes that > you just mentioned.On the !5th we will celebrate @ the Eberhard Center, Grand > Valley > State University is our sponcer.Details later. > Fax no. 616-940-1603 Thank you! > > Renu S Malhotra > > _____________________________ > For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From 74741.2033@CompuServe.COM Sun Aug 10 16:12:45 1997 Date: 10 Aug 97 16:11:20 EDT From: Ajay Poddar <74741.2033@CompuServe.COM> To: "INTERNET:vhpgc-l@hindunet.org" Subject: Are you organizing the prayer meet? Message-ID: <970810201120_74741.2033_EHL105-4@CompuServe.COM> X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Please advise if you are aware of a prayer meet in NJ on Aug 15 Vinod jvinod@ix.netcom.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From cbanerj@ccs.neu.edu Mon Aug 11 11:56:40 1997 From: Chandan Bandopadhyay Message-Id: <199708111556.LAA05336@denali.ccs.neu.edu> Subject: Re: Are you organizing the prayer meet? To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:56:38 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <970810201120_74741.2033_EHL105-4@CompuServe.COM> from "Ajay Poddar" at Aug 10, 97 04:11:20 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namaste.There are at least two programs in NJ; please contact: Smt. Veena Gandhi:Voorhees: 609-435-9148 Shree Gaurang Vaishnav: Edison: 908-393-0183 For New York: Shree Arish Sahani, 718-271-0453 Regards, Kanchan > Please advise if you are aware of a prayer meet in NJ on Aug 15 > > Vinod > jvinod@ix.netcom.com > > _____________________________ > For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From VICHARAK@aol.com Wed Aug 13 22:57:02 1997 From: VICHARAK@aol.com Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 22:56:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970813225609_-801306006@emout20.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Greetings!!! X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 August 14th, 1997 Dear Governing Council Members and Chapter Presidents & Coordinators: Namaskaar from Gaurang. On the auspicious occasion of the 50th anniversary of Bharatmata's political freedom, I extend to you and your loved ones hearty greetings. We have come a long way and though path is full of obstacles, perseverance and patience will pay rich dividends. Please join with me in praying for a prosperous and shining future for mother Bharat and its inhabitants. Brotherly yours, Gaurang G. Vaishnav _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From cbanerj@ccs.neu.edu Wed Aug 13 23:39:24 1997 From: Chandan Bandopadhyay Message-Id: <199708140339.XAA05223@denali.ccs.neu.edu> Subject: Message from President of Bharat To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 23:39:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > PRESIDENT > REPUBLIC OF INDIA > > MESSAGE > -------------- > > Fifty years is not long in the life of our ancient nation. But, the > Golden Jubilee of our Freedom is imbued with a profound > significance. This anniversary marks a historic event when, as > Pandit Jwharlal Nehru said, the soul of our nation, long > suppressed, found utterance. It is a celebration of the victory > of the principles of Peace and non-violence against the might > of what was once the biggest empire on earth. > > On this momentous occasion, I recall the glorious sacrifices of > the martyrs and heroes, the brave women and men who > participated in our freedom struggle. The nation pays homage > to Mahatma Gandhi for illumining the righteous path of Truth > and Duty and the precept that right means are necessary to > achieve noble goals. > > As we stand today at the threshold of a new century, we can > look back with a sense of satisfaction at the achievements of > independent India. We have established vibrant democratic > institutions and the rule of law. Food self-sufficiency, a > diversified industrial base and a large pool of creative, talented > and highly qualified human resources provide us a viable basis > for rapid economic advancement. > > On this auspicious occasion of the Golden Jubilee of our > independence, I extend my warm greetings and felicitations to > all Indians, including those who are spread out in many > countries in the world. I wish them happiness and success in > their endeavors in the service of society. I also extend fraternal > greetings on behalf of the People of India, and on my own > behalf, to the friendly people of the United States of America. > > Signed > > K.R.Naryanan. > > _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Thu Aug 14 04:13:53 1997 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 00:14:01 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: FreeIndia.Org Dedicated to Commemorate the Freedom of India Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FreeIndia.Org Dedicated to Commemorate the Freedom of India On the occasion of 50th Anniversary of India's independence, Global Hindu Electronic Networks (GHEN) has dedicated a major web site dedicated to the Freedom of India titled FreeIndia.Org http://www.freeindia.org This is a unique site containing material that appeals to all age groups (RSAC rated). In addition to the basic information on India, the site contains ever popular comic books "Amar Chitra Katha". Amar Chitra Katha are full length comic books dedicated to cultural heritage of India. They depict great personalities and historic events of India. This presentation is a result of special arrangement between India Book House Publishers (Mumbai, India) and GHEN. Currently four Amer Chitra Katha books are online and eventuallyall available Amar Chitra Katha will be added. A section on "Freedom Art Exhibit" is a collection of custom art work depicting the major events in Independence movement. "Freedom Movement" is a presentation of India's freedom movement in a slide show format. FreeIndia pays rich tribute to those who fought for independence in the sections, "Biographies of Great Indians" and a pictorial exhibit "They Fought For Independence." A unique pictorial tribute is paid to Mother India (Bharat Mata) in "Bharat Bhakti Stotra (Prayers to Mother India)", and "Ekatmata Mantra (Prayer for Unity)." "Maps of India" section depicts historic maps of India, where a reader can see how the nation has withstood the test of time. "Contribution of India" section describes what India has contributed to the world, in science, medicine, architecture, metallurgy, mathematics, astronomy, language, grammar etc. "History of India" section contains articles on Indian history. A special book written by Dr. David Frawley (American Vedic Institute) "Myth of Aryan Invasion of India" is presented in its entirety. B. G. Mahesh (Sheetal.Com) will be contributing "Historic Timeline" of India primarily based on the timeline published in Hinduism Today magazine. "Songs of Freedom" section is dedicated to songs sung in praise of Mother India, India's national song "Vande Mataram" and national anthem, "Jana Gana Mana" and their evolutionary history are present as well. Rambhao Mahalagi Prabodhini (reference service) and Tarun Bharat (a daily newspaper) will be contributing live news from India to Latest News section. The Latest News section on FreeIndia is one of the largest collections of news sources about India. It contains links to virtually all the known news sites related to India, along with a collection of search engines, stock quotation, links to periodicals etc. Hindu Vivek Kendra (Mumbai, India) will provide editorials, article clippings and summaries to this news site The visitors will be able to send digital postcards using our "Freedom Card" section absolutely free, while those who would like to purchase books about India and its freedom movement can avail of our collaboration with Amazon.com, the largest online bookstore. A "Live Chat" on Freedom movement and India is also made possible using our collaboration with EarthWeb.com. FreeIndia site is part of Freedom Festival '97, an international program undertaken by the Hindu Students Council (HSC). Freedom Festival programs are carried out in major campuses all across North America. Global Freedom Prayer Meet, part of Freedom Festival are being held in several countries. HSC is also organizing Art & Essay competitions, regional conferences etc. on this occasion. People of Indian descent have gone to many parts of the world and have made major contributions to their adopted countries. Indians as a people have a lot more to contribute to the world, as the world moves towards the 21st century. The purpose of the FreeIndia website is to educate the readers about India's history, culture, and contributions to the world. It is a tribute to the courage and sacrifice of the great leaders and hundreds of millions of people had to undergo to attain this independence. But it is not merely celebration of India's independence, but it is the concept of Freedom, not merely political freedom but social, cultural, spiritual freedom - of thought and action that we celebrate. Global Hindu Electronic Networks (GHEN) is a project of Hindu Students Council. In addition to FreeIndia.Org, GHEN has created several other web sites which are visited by several thousands readers each day. Among these sites are The Hindu Universe (http://www.hindunet.org), and Hindu Temples Reference Center (http://www.hindunet.org/temple_info/). For information about GHEN please send e-mail to webmaster@hindunet.org HSC is a North American students movement, dedicated to promoting Hindu dharma, culture and heritage and can be reached by writing to HSC 46 #3 Irving St. Boston, MA 02114. HSC can also be found on the worldwide web at www.hindunet.org/hsc/. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From bbg@mdc.net Thu Aug 14 06:53:35 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970814065356.006a20f8@mdc.net> X-Sender: bbg@mdc.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 06:53:56 -0400 To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From: "Brij B. Garg" Subject: Global Prayer Meet in New Hampshire In-Reply-To: <199708111556.LAA05336@denali.ccs.neu.edu> References: <970810201120_74741.2033_EHL105-4@CompuServe.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Brothers and Sisters, The Golbal Prayer Meet in NH will be at Salem, NH at the Municipal Office. Convening time: 2:15pm Conclusion at 3:05pm on August 14, 1997. Speaker of the House, Mrs. Donna Sytek is expected to attend along with other public officials. Salem, NH is located on the border with the state of Massachusetts. Regards, --Brij Bhushan Garg 603-898-1312 --Nand Kishore Sharma _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From HHParikh@aol.com Thu Aug 14 14:38:16 1997 From: HHParikh@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 14:37:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970814143711_-1001622120@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Greetings!!! X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 We have just finished peace prayer in our home with my family mambers. Another prayer meet is organised by Conn. Velly Hindu Temple society (CVHTS) for 15th Aug. '97 at 8:00 PM through the help of shree Madhu Reddy. To add to this I had oppertunity to inform following institute to join us today in Freedom Prayer meet. 1..Arsha Vidya Gurukulam 2.. Yoga center of Yogi Amrit Desai 3.. Three Vaishnav Temples in NY , NJ, and PA. My greetings to all on this ocassion. Best Regards, Hasit _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From PJCJ52A@prodigy.com Thu Aug 14 20:01:26 1997 Message-Id: <199708142359.TAA17138@mime4.prodigy.com> X-Mailer: Prodigy Internet GW(v0.9beta) - ae01dm04sc03 From: PJCJ52A@prodigy.com (DR VEENA S GANDHI) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:59:48, -0500 To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Freedom Festival 97, South Jersey X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 AUGUST 14th,1997 Freedom Festival 97 was celebrated at 2:30 Eastern Daylight Time (midnight in Bharat) in South Jersey at the Voorhees Middle School in Voorhees, NJ. The theme of the program was to celebrate India's 50th year of independence and to salute the principles of freedom, non- violence, truth, and democracy on which India was founded. Over 50 people attended the festivities including the Mayor of Voorhees Township. The program was initiated by hoisting the Indian flag followed by singing Vande Mataram. Subsequent activities entailed: *) Reading notes of congratualtions from Shree Dalai Lama and Atal Bihari Bajpai (Notes of congratulations from several Mayors of major cities were recognized but not read) *) Brief speech by the Mayor of Voorhees offering congratulations and proclaiming August 15 as India Day in Voorhees Township *) Prayer to salute the principles of freedom, truth, non-violence, and democracy *) Recognition and brief hisotry of prominent freedom fighters *) One minute of silence to pay tribute to the millions of individuals who sacrificed for India's freedom *) The program concluded with the singing of the Indian and US national anthems Namaste to all. Gandhi family _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Thu Aug 14 20:33:43 1997 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 16:33:55 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: INFO : Send Digital Freedom Cards Free Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks to Srinivas Bolishettyji you can now send freedom cards to your friends and family from our freeidnia.org site http://www.freeindia.org/digicard/ I have sent one sample card to everyone HR Info (please note that if you do want o send cards to the list hrtalk is a more appropriate forum). Please do tell everyone you know about this new service. Thanks to Rajiv Varmaji for a lot of slogans. regards, ajay _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Babu.Gandhi@trw.com Fri Aug 15 15:18:48 1997 Message-ID: Date: 15 Aug 1997 12:03:19 -0700 From: "Babu Gandhi" Subject: Re: Freedom Festival 97, Sou To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; Name="Message Body" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Message Body" X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org AUGUST 15 Excellent celebration in Los Angeles at State Bank, Artesia by FIA initiated by Harish Dhruv I prayed at home. Babubhai Gandhi ------------------------------ Date: 8/14/97 5:27 PM To: Gandhi, Babu From: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org AUGUST 14th,1997 Freedom Festival 97 was celebrated at 2:30 Eastern Daylight Time (midnight in Bharat) in South Jersey at the Voorhees Middle School in Voorhees, NJ. The theme of the program was to celebrate India's 50th year of independence and to salute the principles of freedom, non- violence, truth, and democracy on which India was founded. Over 50 people attended the festivities including the Mayor of Voorhees Township. The program was initiated by hoisting the Indian flag followed by singing Vande Mataram. Subsequent activities entailed: *) Reading notes of congratualtions from Shree Dalai Lama and Atal Bihari Bajpai (Notes of congratulations from several Mayors of major cities were recognized but not read) *) Brief speech by the Mayor of Voorhees offering congratulations and proclaiming August 15 as India Day in Voorhees Township *) Prayer to salute the principles of freedom, truth, non-violence, and democracy *) Recognition and brief hisotry of prominent freedom fighters *) One minute of silence to pay tribute to the millions of individuals who sacrificed for India's freedom *) The program concluded with the singing of the Indian and US national anthems Namaste to all. Gandhi family _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: = owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by qmgate.trw.com with ADMIN;14 Aug 1997 17:23:04 -0800 Received: from www10.clever.net by mailhub1.trw.com; Thu, 14 Aug 97 = 17:16:12 -0700 Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.6/8.6.9) id = UAA18884; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 20:01:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199708142359.TAA17138@mime4.prodigy.com> X-Mailer: Prodigy Internet GW(v0.9beta) - ae01dm04sc03 From: PJCJ52A@prodigy.com (DR VEENA S GANDHI) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:59:48, -0500 To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Freedom Festival 97, South Jersey X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From cbanerj@ccs.neu.edu Tue Aug 19 12:04:10 1997 From: Chandan Bandopadhyay Message-Id: <199708191604.MAA20895@denali.ccs.neu.edu> Subject: Message from the White House To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:04:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org We got the message on 15th August. KB > > THE WHITE HOUSE > WASHINGTON > > INDIAN INDEENDENCE DAY, 1997. > > > I wish to extend my warmest greetings to everyone > celebrating the 50th anniversary of India's independence. > > The people of the United States and India have long benefited > from each other's wisdom and experience, a process that has > enriched us all and fortified the foundations on which our > democracies rest. The United States looks forward to > deepening our ties in ways that will advance the security and > prosperity of our nations and help us to keep faith with the > principles that guided the founders of our democracies. > > Over the course of the past 50 years, India has confronted > many challenges, but has stayed true to its founding > principles. In so doing, India has become a model for other > nations and societies, to institutionalize democratic values of > free expression and religion, and to find strength in their > diversity. > > As we mark the 50th anniversary of India's independence, we > recognize that our two nations also share a special > responsibility for promoting peace. The next 50 years offer us > a great opportunity to broaden and deepen our partnership > and to work together for peace and progress not only for our > own countries, but also for the world. > > Best wishes for a memorable anniversary celebrations. > > SIGNED > > Bill Clinton > _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From cbanerj@ccs.neu.edu Tue Aug 19 15:20:53 1997 From: Chandan Bandopadhyay Message-Id: <199708191920.PAA25785@denali.ccs.neu.edu> Subject: Message from PM Gujral To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:20:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org This message came to us via fax on 15th August. KB > > From: S. Narendra > Information Advisor to PM > New Delhi. > > Prime Minister is glad to know that the Freedom Festival > 1997 Committee is celebrating the 50th Anniversary of India’s > Independence and is organizing a Prayer Meet on the > occasion. > > I have been desired by the Prime Minister to send you a copy > of his message on this occasion. > > > PRIME MINISTER > > MESSAGE > -------------- > > The 15th August is a momentous day in India’s history. On > this day we recall, with gratitude, the sacrifices of millions of > sons and daughters of the country who waged a determined > struggle for freedom guided by the principles of truth and > non-violence. This … [ illegible]… of a moral and social > movement propelled by soaring idealism. This unique and > proud legacy has influenced the Nation’s development during > the past 50 years. > > Our accomplishments over these five decades have been > multi-faceted and many. Indian democracy has taken deep > roots matured and fructified. The serious shortages of food > grains that we faced in earlier years have been transformed > into surpluses due to the efforts of our enterprising farmers > and agricultural scientists. The face of rural India is being > transformed with the advent of electricity, roads, transport, > modern educational and social facilities. Our industrial sector > has grown from strength to strength and our talented > scientific and technical manpower of world-class capabilities > has enabled a rapid process of modernization and growth. We > are one among a select few countries with capability of > fabricating and launching our own satellites. Our frontiers are > secure and inviolable thanks to your brave and loyal jawans > who guard them steadfastly and tirelessly. > > The road ahead, however, is still long and we have many > tasks to fulfill. The poverty, in which millions of our > countrymen live, must be eradicated from our land. > > Education and literacy must be universalized. The walls that > separate man from man - economic and social disparities - > have to be brought down. Mahatma Gandhi’s mission to > empower the deprived is being pursued but we have to work > harder still to achieve its full realisation. Our population is > increasing beyond sustainable levels. These are some of the > challenges that lie ahead. Nation building has ever-expanding > frontiers and we cannot afford to rest. The whole country > must join together in pushing the wheel forward. > > On this day of celebration and joy, let us rededicate ourselves > to unitedly strive to take this great country to her designated > goal. On this Independence Day, let us pledge to safeguard > India’s many-hued diversity and to uphold India’s unity, > integrity and freedom. > > Jai Hind > > SIGNED > > I.K.Gujral > New Delhi > July 29, 1997. > _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From cbanerj@ccs.neu.edu Tue Aug 19 15:45:00 1997 From: Chandan Bandopadhyay Message-Id: <199708191944.PAA26570@denali.ccs.neu.edu> Subject: Message from Atalji To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:44:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org New Delhi June 30, 1997. > June 30, 1997. > > 1997 is a very important year in the history of our country. 50 > years ago we became free, free to chart out our own future, > free to chose the path that we feel is the best for our needs. > Today is the right time to take a pause and review our > performance of the last half a century. In this context I > welcome the efforts of the Hindu Students Council, along > with the FISI, VHP of America, HSS and others who are > celebrating “Freedom Festival 1997”. > > We are the inheritors of a civilization that is over 5000 years > old. We have willingly accepted ideas which have emanated > from different parts of the world without any way > compromising our uniqueness. Tolerance is the bedrock on > which our essential philosophy is based. We have never > sought to impose our culture and our way of life on others. At > the same time we have not just allowed others to practice > their beliefs in our midst but given them all help to do so. > This quality is our strength, not weakness. > > The Indian community in America has done very well for > itself. By dint of hard work and merit, it has overcome many > obstacles and is today on of the most prosperous. However, > since the younger generation is in no more close touch with > India, as their parents and grand-parents were, it is necessary > to acquaint them about our history and culture. In order to > face the future boldly, one must have a solid foundation in the > past so that one is mentally prepared for change. “Freedom > Festival 1997” is a step in the right direction and I am sure > that it will be a grand success. > > My congratulations to all the organizers who are putting their > heart and soul to ensure that it is a memorable effort. > > SIGNED > > A.B.Vajpayee. > > _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Mon Aug 25 15:11:29 1997 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 11:10:49 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Cc: hsc@umdnj.edu Subject: ANNOUNCEMENT : Easy to Read India News Source Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We are pleased to announce that FreeIndia.Org now has a very easy access most of the available news sources from India. The URL for our news site is : http://www.freeindia.org/news/ The frame based design of this site gives you access to over 100 news sources neatly laid out in 10 sections. You can access the news from all the major newspapers, latest stock information, weather in different cities, Cricket and entertainment news, and NRI news, all from one page, in a clean easy to use design. We have also linked the news pages to information pages. And if you'd like to discuss the news with others, we provide java based chat http://www.freeindia.org/chat/ You need not bookmark any page other than http://www.freeindia.org/news/ for latest news from India any more. Shortly, we will also be providing additional live news feed from a mumbai based newspaper Tarun Bharat. regards, ajay shah _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Yashwant@aol.com Fri Aug 29 18:06:22 1997 From: Yashwant@aol.com Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 18:05:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970829180538_-367865885@emout03.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT : Easy to Read India News Source X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 dear ajay, here is something in which you may be interested. I want the e-mail address of Vinay and Madhav Joshi. I am also looking for some matterial/literature from ABVP Mumbai, in order to collect some funds. Yashwant _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Fri Sep 5 14:57:07 1997 Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 10:56:45 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Our Own News Site... Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please check and access over 100 links to all the available news from India on our own site : http://www.freeindia.org/news/ and tell your friends about it too. regards, ajay _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Fri Sep 5 20:51:21 1997 Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 16:50:54 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Mother Teresa converted Hindus to Christianity (fwd) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [From AFP French News Agency] NEW DELHI, Sept 5 (AFP) - A militant Hindu group on Friday mourned the death of Mother Teresa but criticised her for allegedly converting the poor to Christianity. "She was serving the cause of the poor," said Vishnu Hari Dalmia, president of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP, World Hindu Council). "At the same time, there were reports that she was indulging in converting people into Christianity," he told AFP. "Her service should have been selfless, without any religious consideration. "We do appreciate her service. But we cannot appreciate her intention to convert people into Christian faith." Hindus form the overwhelming majority of India's 950 million people. The militant VHP, a group committed to the revival of Hinduism, was blamed for the 1992 destruction of a 16th century mosque in the Indian town of Ayodhya which sparked bloody Hindu-Moslem violence. -=-=- Want to tell us what you think about the ClariNews? Please feel free to <> . -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail posts to: ghen@netcom.com : http://www.hindunet.org/srh_home/ _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Vartalapa@aol.com Mon Sep 8 13:10:42 1997 From: Vartalapa@aol.com Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 13:10:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970908130732_-2001669592@emout18.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Mother Teresa converted Hindus to Christianity (fwd) X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Trying to convert people to Chritianity is surely more militant an act than Hindu organisations trying to revive Hinduism among Hindus !The logic of certain media is more than amazing. Praying for more wisdom! Renu S Malhotra _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Sun Sep 14 03:22:40 1997 Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 23:13:39 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Cc: Sandeep Kumar Gupta Subject: ANNOUNCEMENT : Q&A Forum to Learn Hindu Dharma Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Q&A Forum to Learn Hindu Dharma with Bansi Pandit Global Hindu Electronic Networks : The Hindu Universe is honored to announce that the distinguished author Shree Bansi Pandit along with several distinguished scholars on Hindu dharma will host a forum titled "What is Meant to be a Hindu" on the Hindu Universe website. This forum may be accessed by pointing your browser to : http://www.hindunet.org/wwwboard/meant_hindu/ This forum is established to present teachings of the Hindu religious tradition in the form of answers to questions from those who are genuinely interested in understanding the teachings of Hinduism as enshrined in Hindu scriptures. The readers can ask questions relative to the historical, philosophical, ritualistic, social, ethical, yogic and meditational dimensions of Hindu religion. The answers to the questions will be compiled by Bansi Pandit, author of the popular books on Hinduism: The Hindu Mind and Hindu Dharma. Depending upon the nature of the questions asked, Bansi Pandit will seek assistance of the eminent scholars of Hinduism, such as Swami Brahmarupananda, Dr. David Frawley, Professor Subhash Kak, Dr. T. K. Venkateswaran, Professor V. Pandharipande in preparing answers for this forum. The purpose of this forum is to help both Hindus and non-Hindus, especially younger generation, to develop a better understanding of Hindu religion, the oldest surviving religion in the world. Hindu religion represents a profound philosophy of life that is based upon many noble ideals, such as harmlessness to all creatures (ahimsa), world familyhood (Vasudhaiva kutumbakam), respect for other religions, racial and cultural harmony, reverence for old age, respect for parents, teachers, and elders, and cooperation with_and not exploitation of_the Nature for needed resources. Hindu religion teaches that Truth is one, but paths are many. Hindu scriptures declare that "cows are of different colors, but their milk is of the same color. Beneath all different colors of the skins, lies the blood of the same color." Devoid of dogma, blind faith or fanaticism, Hindus act out of love for God and not out of His fear. Hindu religion is a God-loving religion and not God-fearing one. In today's society where family values are deteriorating rapidly, elders are made to feel useless, unwanted, and burdensome, crime is on the rise, individual, social and spiritual values are declining, and the environment is deteriorating, it is essential to teach the lofty ideals of the ancient wisdom to the younger generation. To help them live harmoniously with themselves and with rest of the creation, they must be told what is good and noble in life, as taught by Hindu sages and saints. The Hindu Universe : http://www.hindunet.org is a comprehensive site on Hindu dharma sponsored by Global Hindu Electronic Networks (GHEN). Hindu Universe co-sponsors Mandir : Hindu Temples Reference Center : http://www.hindunet.org/temple_info/ a on-line events calander http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_events/ GHEN is also hosts a site dedicated to History and Freedom movement of India : http://www.freeindia.org GHEN is a project of Hindu Students Council (HSC). http://www.hindunet.org/hsc/ HSC is the largest organization of Hindu students outside of India, it has over 50 chapters in USA and Canada. regards, ajay _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Vartalapa@aol.com Mon Sep 15 11:19:48 1997 From: Vartalapa@aol.com Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 11:19:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970915111714_-398759495@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT : Q&A Forum to Learn Hindu Dharma X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Ajay, You have done a lot and kept us informed rather well !!! I comend you and thank you ! Renu S Malhotra _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Babu.Gandhi@trw.com Mon Sep 15 13:43:32 1997 Message-ID: Date: 15 Sep 1997 10:08:35 -0700 From: "Babu Gandhi" Subject: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT : Q&A Foru To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; Name="Message Body" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Message Body" X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Ajaybhai, Will be glad to answer (volunteer my services) whatever I can. Babubhai. ------------------------------ Date: 9/15/97 8:52 AM To: Gandhi, Babu From: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Ajay, You have done a lot and kept us informed rather well !!! I comend you and thank you ! Renu S Malhotra _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: = owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by qmgate.trw.com with ADMIN;15 Sep 1997 07:20:49 -0700 Received: from www10.clever.net by mailhub1.trw.com; Mon, 15 Sep 97 = 08:27:50 -0700 Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.6/8.6.9) id = LAA08018; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 11:19:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Vartalapa@aol.com Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 11:19:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <970915111714_-398759495@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT : Q&A Forum to Learn Hindu Dharma X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Sat Sep 20 23:20:41 1997 Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 19:19:54 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Please use our Events Page Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Namaskar May I request you to use our events page to notify the fellow members of : local Temple programs IDRF Fund Raising events Bal Vihars VHP programs RSS Shakhas Swamiji's visits, BJP, VHP, RSS adhikari visits from bharat and relevent programs It is very simple. Just point your browser to : http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_events/ The process is automated. regards, ajay _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Mon Sep 22 21:42:59 1997 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 17:42:12 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: FreeIndia Poll : India/Pakistan Meeting Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FreeIndia.Org, a website dedicated to the independence, history and news of Bharat is announces a new weekly poll. The topic for this week's poll is : ----- News : harif and Indian Prime Minister Inder Kujmar Gujral are due to meet in New York on Tuesday (9/23/97) ----- Poll Question : Dispite Pakistan's continuing support for terrorism, should India's prime minister I. K. Gujral meet with Pakistani president Navaz Sharif? ----- To voice your opinion, please visit the URL : http://www.freeindia.org/cgibin/vote2/india_pak.shtml FreeIndia.org News section contains over 100 very easy to access news links. The news links may be accessed from http://www.freeindia.org/news/ FreeIndia.org also contains a news chat section http://www.freeindia.org/chat/ and links to news reference sources. FreeIndia http://www.freeindia.org is a GHEN website http://www.hindunet.org regards, ajay shah _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Mon Sep 22 21:54:08 1997 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 17:53:23 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: URL Correction Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The correct URL is http://www.freeindia.org/cgibin/vote2/india_pak.html My apologies for the errro in the earlier posting regards, ajay _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Tue Sep 30 03:12:34 1997 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 23:11:16 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: INFO : Upanishad Pages on Hindu Universe Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Namaskar, GHEN announces new Upanishda pages on the Hindu Universse website. These twenty new page introduce the readers to Upanishdas. There are also links to other Upanishad sites and links to available translations of Upanishads. To access the Upanishad pages : http://www.hindunet.org/upanishads/ For comprehensive information about Hindu dharma visit The Hindu Universe website : http://www.hindunet.org regards, ajay _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Tue Sep 30 03:17:31 1997 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 23:16:10 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: FreeIndia Poll : BJP/BSP Alliance Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This weeks FreeIndia Poll topic : Is BJP & BSP Alliance in UP good for the people? Register your opinions : http://www.freeindia.org/poll/ regards, ajay _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Wed Oct 1 18:48:18 1997 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 14:46:19 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: INFO : Puja Pages on Hindu Universe Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am pleased to announce that due to an arrangement between Shree and GHEN, we are now mirroring Shree's Bhajan pages on the Hindu Universe. To access the Bhajan and Kiirtan pages on the Hindu Universe : http://www.hindunet.org/bhajans/ Hindu Universe pages are undergoing a lot of changes and upgrading. If you have not visited these pages, please do so. It will be worth your while. And yes, if you have note voted on this week's FreeIndia poll : http://www.freeindia.org/poll/ regards, ajay _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From MUKERJS@sterlingdi.com Thu Oct 2 10:08:45 1997 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 08:37:06 -0400 From: Sushim Mukerji To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: INFO : Puja Pages on Hindu Universe Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ajaybhai, thanks to you, I am now aware of these sites. I have forwarded your previous messages of the Upanishads and Amar Chitra Katha to relevant people in Delaware and in south Carolina already. In the next couple of weeks I do more prachar on that. Also, I have participated in the poll. Have a great day. Regards. >>> Ajay Shah 10/01 5:46 PM >>> I am pleased to announce that due to an arrangement between Shree and GHEN, we are now mirroring Shree's Bhajan pages on the Hindu Universe. To access the Bhajan and Kiirtan pages on the Hindu Universe : http://www.hindunet.org/bhajans/ Hindu Universe pages are undergoing a lot of changes and upgrading. If you have not visited these pages, please do so. It will be worth your while. And yes, if you have note voted on this week's FreeIndia poll : http://www.freeindia.org/poll/ regards, ajay _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From cbando@lynx.dac.neu.edu Thu Oct 2 21:49:35 1997 From: Chandan Bandopadhyay Message-Id: <199710030149.VAA17504@lynx.dac.neu.edu> Subject: Russian Law Snubs Hinduism: Please help To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 21:49:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org namaste all, Here is another occassion where we have to provide our supports as much as possible. May be we can come up with a strategy to help. regards chandan From kenh@pixi.net Thu Oct 2 21:32:58 1997 From: kenh@pixi.net Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 14:55:25 +0000 Namaste. I am sure you are aware of recent developments in Russia severely restricting the rights of religious organizations which have not been registered in Russia for more than fifteen years. As you know, this includes every single religious organization registered in Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991. Hence, many Hindu organizations and Hindu preachers who have been converting Russians to Hindu beliefs will not be able to remain active in Russia. Essentially, Russia has slammed the door shut on Hinduism. This is an extreme insult to India, it's immediate neighbor, and to all followers of Vedic culture.. To protest the enactment of this law, we have convened the Hindu Religious Freedom Foundation. Our URL is as follows: http://www.tropicmall.com/hindu I hope you will encourage all your individual members to protest this outrageous restriction of freedom. We have tried to make this as easy as possible for anyone who accesses our web site. Also, we hope that your organization will lend moral support to this cause by registering your personal protest, and if you have a website, by creating a link to our site so that visitors to your own page can easily find us. You have our sincere thanks for your cooperation. A more detailed announcement will follow. Tusta Krishna Das Hindu Religious Freedom Foundation Chandan cbando@lynx.neu.edu **************************************************************************** * "This life is short, the vanities of the world are transient, but they * * alone live who live for others, the rest are more dead than alive" * * - Vishwa Vivek * **************************************************************************** _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From MUKERJS@sterlingdi.com Fri Oct 3 12:13:42 1997 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 10:42:47 -0400 From: Sushim Mukerji To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Russian Law Snubs Hinduism: Please help Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bhai chandan, thank you for informing me. Based on your suggestion, i sent my protest to several places as indicated in the Web. I will inform others on this. Keep slugging. Mahamaya is with us. Regards. >>> Chandan Bandopadhyay 10/02 9:49 PM >>> namaste all, Here is another occassion where we have to provide our supports as much as possible. May be we can come up with a strategy to help. regards chandan From kenh@pixi.net Thu Oct 2 21:32:58 1997 From: kenh@pixi.net Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 14:55:25 +0000 Namaste. I am sure you are aware of recent developments in Russia severely restricting the rights of religious organizations which have not been registered in Russia for more than fifteen years. As you know, this includes every single religious organization registered in Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991. Hence, many Hindu organizations and Hindu preachers who have been converting Russians to Hindu beliefs will not be able to remain active in Russia. Essentially, Russia has slammed the door shut on Hinduism. This is an extreme insult to India, it's immediate neighbor, and to all followers of Vedic culture.. To protest the enactment of this law, we have convened the Hindu Religious Freedom Foundation. Our URL is as follows: http://www.tropicmall.com/hindu I hope you will encourage all your individual members to protest this outrageous restriction of freedom. We have tried to make this as easy as possible for anyone who accesses our web site. Also, we hope that your organization will lend moral support to this cause by registering your personal protest, and if you have a website, by creating a link to our site so that visitors to your own page can easily find us. You have our sincere thanks for your cooperation. A more detailed announcement will follow. Tusta Krishna Das Hindu Religious Freedom Foundation Chandan cbando@lynx.neu.edu **************************************************************************** * "This life is short, the vanities of the world are transient, but they * * alone live who live for others, the rest are more dead than alive" * * - Vishwa Vivek * **************************************************************************** _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Mon Oct 6 14:03:59 1997 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:01:12 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: INFO : Send Free Hindu Digicard! Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks to an excellent programming efforts by our resident programming expert, Srinivas Bolishettyji, I am pleased to announce the Free Hindu Digicard System on The Hindu Universe. The Hindu Digicard system allows the visitors to our site to send free electronic festival greetings. To access the site : http://www.hindunet.org/digicard/ Currently, you can send out greetings to your friends and family for the followiing festivals : Divali Festival Vijayadashami Ganesh Chaturdi Krishna Jayanti Shri Rama Navami Shri Hanuman Jayanti The Hindu Digicard system features images from our extensive collection of Hindu images, and adding to the educational value of the greetings card, each digicard contains a link to the explanation of the relevent festival. I urge you to use this system extensively, and send greetings to your friends and family. And I also request you to send a "thank you" note to our swayemsevak, Srinivasji for his achievements (srinivas@rahul.net) Hindu Digicards is a service of Global Hindu Electronic Networks http://www.hindunet.org regards, ajay _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Mon Oct 6 19:14:13 1997 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:11:00 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: INFO : New FreeIndia Poll Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This week's topic on FreeIndia Poll : The recently uncovered Tata tapes regarding Tata/UFLA "links" eflect much more poorly on the Government than Tata. As usual, the URL for the polling booth is : http://www.freeindia.org/poll/ and the freeindia new URL is http://www.freeindia.org/news/ we have over 100 news links accessible in a very easy to read format. This is your one-step news source And freeindia chat URL is http://www.freeindia.org/chat/ regards, ajay _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From VICHARAK@aol.com Fri Oct 10 21:39:11 1997 From: VICHARAK@aol.com Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 21:38:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971010213708_762513896@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Fwd: wow X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Dear brothers and sisters: Namaste from Gaurang. I hope, you are all getting ready to come to the Governing Council meeting on Nov. 15th & 16th at Antioch (San Francisco). You will receive the Registration from shortly from Vijay Ruikar. I am attaching an intersting article. Brotherly yours, Gaurang --------------------- Forwarded message: From: aprasad@intelus.com (Adapa Prasa) Reply-to: aprasad@intelus.com To: vicharak@aol.com Date: 97-10-07 11:33:13 EDT Subject: Intersting Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 10:04:00 -0400 From: Sivarama Balusu To: aprasad@intelus.com Subject: FW: intersting > Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:58:00 -0400 > > > > > >This is worth a look > > >I hope you'll appreciate the statistics > > > > > > Serial Number Project Name Amount in Rupees > > > 1 Share scam 1000 crores > > > 2 Sugar Scam 650 crores > > > 3 Bofors Scam 65 crores > > > 4 Hawala case 65 crores > > > 5 Housing scam 18 crores > > > 6 M.P. trading 32 crores > > > 7 Fertiliser scam 133 crores > > > 8 Medicine Equipment > > > Scam 5000 crores > > > 9 Telecom case 1200 crores > > > 10 Newsprint case 20 crores > > > 11 Indian bank scam 1336 crores > > > 12 Fodder scam(Bihar) 1000 crores > > > 13 Land scam(bihar) 400 crores > > > 14 Bitumen scam(Bihar) 100 crores > > > 15 Medicine scam(Bihar) 100 crores > > > 16 Forest case(Meghalay) 300 crores > > > 17 Ayurveda Sc.(UP) 32 crores > > > 18 Dhoti-Saree Sc.(Tamil) 11 crores > > > 19 Coal Sc.(Tamilnadu) 750 crores > > > 20 Forest reserve Sc. > > > (Meghalay) 75 crores > > > 21 Wakof Scam > > > (West Bengal) 1600 crore > > > 22 Dental College Case > > > (Karnatak) 50 lakhs > > > > > > This is just the tip of the iceberg of an immense > > > range of possibilities which you can take > > > advantage of. For example there have been scams > > > like Treasury scam, Panchayat Scam, Fishery Scam, > > > Cooprative scam, Dairy scam, Food Ministry scam, > > > Lottery scam and hospital scams. > > > Now see how many jewels this system has produced. > > > > > > Serial Number Name of person Amount in Rupees > > > > > > 1 Motilal Vohra 11 lakhs > > > 2 P. Shivshankar 26 lakhs > > > 3 Ajit Panja 3. 5 lakhs > > > 4 Balaram Jhakar 61 lakhs > > > 5 N.D. Tiwari 25 lakhs > > > 6 B.D.Thakne 10 lakhs > > > 7 Kalpnath Rai 54 lakhs > > > 8 C.K. Jaffar Shwarif 10 lakhs > > > 9 Buta Singh 7 lakhs > > > 10 V.C. Shukla 65 lakhs > > > 11 P.L.Shahi 11.3 lakhs > > > 12 R.K.Dhawan 50 lakhs > > > 13 Madhav rao Scindia 75 lakhs > > > 14 Kamal Nath 17 lakhs > > > 15 Arjun Singh 10 lakhs > > > 16 S.L. Khurana 3 lakhs > > > 17 Arif Mohd. Khan 7 crores 56 lakhs > > > 18 Asoke Sen 20 lakhs > > > 19 Yashwant Sinha 21 lakhs > > > 20 Devilal 50 lakhs > > > 21 K. Natwar Singh 21 lakhs > > > 22 Arjun Singh 10 lakhs > > > 23 Chandram 1 lakh > > > (Figures are according to CBI > > > chargesheet) > > > > > > And of course we have not mentioned the greats > > > like Jayalalitha and Laloo Prasad Yadav who have > > > attained pinnacles of performance in this > > > venture. And all these great men and women have > > > emerged in the past 5 or 6 years > > > and is only a miniscule fraction of the amount of > > > wealth that has been generated > > > by these exceptional strategies and their > > > predecessors over the past 50 years. > > > > > > In one estimate, the total amount of wealth in > > > foreign bank accounts ofpoliticians only is $110 > > > billion US dollars. The Indian national budget > > > is $65billion and the total industrial > > > infrastructure development needs for India > > > to be at par with some of the > > > developed countries is at $150 > > > billion. > > > > > > Also note that this amount is the cost > > > of 366 nuclear reactors at the cost of > > > $300 million dollar each. > > > > > >So friends, do you think you can do something for this ? At least > let us create an awareness in the people. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Mon Oct 13 15:07:07 1997 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 11:03:30 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: CFA : Hindu Deities Selling Liquor in Chicago Nightclub Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Namaskar, Following is an official protest launched by the American Hindu Anti-Defamation Coalition. regards, ajay ps : protest site : http://www.hindunet.org/anti_defamation/karma_club/ ----- Namaste, Have you heard of a new club that recently opened in Chicago Called Karma? This club features an extravagant display of Hindu religious icons in compromising positions. Pictures of Lord Shiva and Krishna intermixed with pictures of semi-nude women occupy the wall of a bar, behind bottles of liquor. A statue of Lord Ganesha beckons people into the club-the same God that bestows an auspicious entrance to temples everywhere. The underlying theme that is upsetting to many people is the presence of symbols of holiness and purity within environments that are far less than holy and pure. As one visitor said, "Placing icons in a club implies that it is okay to associate worldly pleasure with divine bliss. The Nataraj, Ganesh, etc. are aids to help one destroy, not strengthen, one's worldly attachments. This act tells me that these people are ignorant and blind of a true understanding of Hinduism." One young non-Hindu businessman who attended the club on its Opening night declared, "You would never go into a Western club and find people dancing around a statue of Christ. A Muslim would not think twice about placing any art in a club reflecting any ideal of Islam." An overwhelming majority of those interviewed feel that the owners of this nightclub, named Karma, have gone too far by misrepresenting and exploiting Hindu culture and religion. Their sentiment is for all to take action against this act because if we do not, we are passively accepting this denigration of our culture. What makes this issue worse is that two of the three club owners Are Indian. The American Hindu Anti-Defamation Coalition (AHADC) promises to take action against this club and urges all Hindu temples, organizations, and individuals to join its efforts in countering the trend of denigrating Hindu dharma for profits. See PICTURES of the club at the following website and decide for yourself: http://www.hindunet.org/anti_defamation/karma_club --------------------------------- Club Karma is owned by Srinivas Sarin Reddy, Rakesh, and Carson. Srinivas Reddy: 175 E. Delaware Place Chicago, IL 60611-1756 Phone: (312) 266-1455 Email: bacchusproductions40nwu.edu Karma Club: 318 W. Grand Ave. Chicago, IL 60610 Phone: (312) 321-1331 Fax (312) 321-1115 _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Mon Oct 13 22:49:30 1997 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:46:01 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: INFO : New FreeIndia Poll Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Namaskar FreeIndia Poll topic for this week : Should Queen Elizabeth formally apologize to Indians for the atrocities comitted during the British Raj? To vote : http://www.freeindia.org/poll/ FreeIndia News : http://www.freeindia.org/news/ and FreeIndia chat : http://www.freeindia.org/chat/ regards. ajay _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From MJMEHTA@aol.com Tue Oct 14 05:35:05 1997 From: MJMEHTA@aol.com Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 05:34:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971014053433_-1831040870@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: CFA : Hindu Deities Selling Liquor in Chicago Nightclub X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Dear Ajay: Can you draft some points for all GC members to use. A letter from anti-defamation should be sent with acopy to all temples. The campaign should be made vigorous in Chicago area. Regrads Mahesh _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From bbg@mdc.net Tue Oct 14 06:54:44 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971014065450.0069b340@mdc.net> X-Sender: bbg@mdc.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 06:54:50 -0400 To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From: "Brij B. Garg" Subject: Camp Meeting in our area Cc: Nand.sharma@lucent.com, bgarg@lucent.com, atul.pandya@fmr.com, modhd@pfizer.com In-Reply-To: <971014053433_-1831040870@emout05.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Maheshbhai, Madhubhai, Sharmaji: Namaste By God's grace, we had a good camp team and had a successful camp in Tolland this past summer. Some workers wanted a post-camp meeting to review the camp experience and not to miss opportunity to align it to our real needs. We will have the post camp meeting in our area on coming Saturday, October 25, 1997 at 22 Chatham Circle, Salem, NH. Shri Dinesh Modh from NY and Shri Dahyabhai Patel from NJ will also be coming. Plan is as follows: 1:00-2:30 Lunch Available 2:30-7:00 Meeting. 7:00 PM Dinner Brief hiking program on Sunday morning for those who can stay till noon. Since each of you has heavily contributed to the camp program to bring it where it is today, we request you to spare some time and spend with us during the meeting. Your suggestions, comments and any inputs are requested. With regards, Brij 603-898-1312 603-894-1948 (new additional number) _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From bbg@mdc.net Wed Oct 15 06:15:53 1997 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971015061559.0069dda4@mdc.net> X-Sender: bbg@mdc.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 06:15:59 -0400 To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From: "Brij B. Garg" Subject: Date correction: Camp Meeting in our area Cc: atul.pandya@fmr.com, modhd@pfizer.com, bgarg@lucent.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971014065450.0069b340@mdc.net> References: <971014053433_-1831040870@emout05.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear GC members, The correct date for the following meeting is Oct. 18, 1997. By mistake the following message had been sent to vhpgc rathar than to the individual addresses. -Brij At 06:54 AM 10/14/97 -0400, I wrote: >Dear Maheshbhai, Madhubhai, Sharmaji: > >Namaste > >By God's grace, we had a good camp team and had a >successful camp in Tolland this past summer. Some >workers wanted a post-camp meeting to review the camp >experience and not to miss opportunity to align it >to our real needs. > >We will have the post camp meeting in our area on >coming Saturday, October 25, 1997 at 22 Chatham Circle, >Salem, NH. Shri Dinesh Modh from NY and Shri Dahyabhai >Patel from NJ will also be coming. Plan is as follows: >1:00-2:30 Lunch Available >2:30-7:00 Meeting. >7:00 PM Dinner >Brief hiking program on Sunday morning for those who can stay >till noon. > >Since each of you has heavily contributed to the camp >program to bring it where it is today, we request you to >spare some time and spend with us during the meeting. >Your suggestions, comments and any inputs are requested. > >With regards, > >Brij >603-898-1312 >603-894-1948 (new additional number) > > >_____________________________ >For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > > _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Thu Oct 16 14:20:26 1997 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:16:49 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: FreeIndia and INDOLink Collaboration on News Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Namaskar FreeIndia, a GHEN website and INDOLink, an exceptional website created by a fellow Hindu worker aRaj Baroniaji are now collaborating on the FreeIndia news section. Under this arrangement, FreeIndia will receive live news from Indolink, which will be presented in the FreeIndia format (thanks again to the the masterful programing by Srinivas Bolishettyji). This will fulfill one of the long standing requirements of FreeIndia News to provide reliable daily news. The FreeIndia News site can be accessed from : http://www.freeindia.org/news/ whereas INDOLink site, a must for your hotlist can be accessed from : http://www.indolink.com Our news is additionally enhanced by our on-going collaboration with the Hindu Vivek Kendra (HVK), which provides us with analytical news contents. FreeIndia News has over 100 news links divided into several news categories and in a very easy to read format. We also feature a weekly poll : http://www.freeindia.org/poll/ and a live chat : http://www.freeindia.org/chat/ regards, ajay _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Vartalapa@aol.com Thu Oct 16 18:51:32 1997 From: Vartalapa@aol.com Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 18:50:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971016174843_1344838538@emout01.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: CFA : Hindu Deities Selling Liquor in Chicago Nightclub X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Ajay ji I can get signatures but you will have to send me a letter like last time.I am writing to theNorth American Interfaith Network, to bring the issue of this amazing disrespect for religious symbols for monetary and other gains. They can at least help bring the issue to limelight. Will send you a copy. Good Luck! Renu S Malhotra _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Fri Oct 17 19:51:34 1997 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:48:01 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: INFO : GHEN/HSC and Hindu University Collaboration Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Namaskar, Global Hindu Electronic Networks and Hindu Students Council are pleased to announce an arrangement whereby HSC members who enroll in courses are the Hindu University of America will receive a special discount for the courses taken. GHEN will sponsor a special page on Hindu University of America on its web site, the Hindu Universe. The Hindu Universiry page on GHEN may be accessed by : http://www.hindunet.org/hindu-university/ Hindu University of America is an accredited University that offers college level correspondence and on-campus courses. More information about the Hindu University of America and its course catalog can be obtained from : http://www.hindu-university.edu GHEN is a project of Hindu Students Council. More information about HSC can be obtained from : http://www.hindunet.org/hsc/ GHEN maintains an extensive site on Hind dharma, The Hindu Universe http://www.hindunet.org regards, ajay shah _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Tue Oct 21 00:04:38 1997 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:00:57 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: INFO : Amar Chitra Katha : The Story of Freedom Struggle Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Namaskar, Amar Chitra Katha, ever popular, educative, informative comic books are available on-line on FreeIndia.org website. We are pleased to anounce the addition of "The Story of Freedom Struggle" to our growing list of Amar Chitra Kathas. This latest addition is a 300+ page bumper issue. The URL for The Story of Freedom Struggle is : http://www.freeindia.org/ack/t_f_s/ Amar Chitra Katha on FreeIndia can be accessed using URL : http://www.freeindia.org/ack/ FreeIndia is a unique site dedicated to the history and current events of India. FreeIndia home page is : http://www.freindia.org regards, ajay ps : I would like to thank Krishnakantji and Ashokji for making Amar Chitra Katha publication possible. If you get a chance, please do send them a thank-you note as well _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Tue Oct 21 04:55:01 1997 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 00:51:26 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Can someone share knowledge? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 17:34:16 -0500 From: Gordon Bearden To: webmaster@hindunet.org I am writing an English paper over Ruth Prawer Jhabvala's "The Englishwoman". In the story, Sadie's Indian husband has a mistress. Is this practice acceptable among Hindus? Do they practice polygamy? Please respond to hopeb@web-access.net. Thanks! _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Tue Oct 21 04:55:40 1997 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 00:52:05 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: INFO : New FreeIndia Poll Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FreeIndia Poll This week : Should India sign the treaty banning anti-personnel landmines? As always, the URL for the polling booth is : http://www.freeindia.org/poll/ And new and improved FreeIndia News can be accessed from http://www.freeindia.org/news/ you will find live news, and over 100 easy to read news links FreeIndia Chat is a lively place for news and history related chat http://www.freeindia.org/chat/ regards, ajay _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From mihir@eyepiece.com Tue Oct 21 09:26:04 1997 Message-Id: <199710211326.JAA03049@www10.clever.net> From: "Mihir Meghani" To: Subject: Re: INFO : New FreeIndia Poll Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:28:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 X-MimeOle: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org here is a suggestions: should we support sanctions for China for religious persection or not support it because Christian missionaries will come in ----- Mihir Meghani, M.D. email: mihir@hindunet.org addr: PO Box 250304, West Bloomfield, MI 48325-0304 USA fax: 248-442-7204 -----Original Message----- From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Date: Tuesday, October 21, 1997 3:00 AM Subject: INFO : New FreeIndia Poll >FreeIndia Poll This week : > >Should India sign the treaty banning anti-personnel landmines? > >As always, the URL for the polling booth is : > >http://www.freeindia.org/poll/ > >And new and improved FreeIndia News can be accessed from > >http://www.freeindia.org/news/ > >you will find live news, and over 100 easy to read news links > >FreeIndia Chat is a lively place for news and history related chat > >http://www.freeindia.org/chat/ > >regards, > >ajay > > > >_____________________________ >For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From MUKERJS@sterlingdi.com Tue Oct 21 10:07:59 1997 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:06:42 -0400 From: Sushim Mukerji To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: INFO : New FreeIndia Poll Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My answer: do not support saction against China for their religious persecution. Most of their persecution is reported to be against Christians, that is the reason there is so much hue and cry on that in this country. According to Barbara Tuchman (famous US historian) in her book "General Stilwell and American experience in China", all the aggresive US news media, including, Time, kept their mouth shut on the domestic atrocities practiced by the despotic Chiang Ki Shek (just prior to the communist regime in 1947), only because Chiang left the Christian missionaries untouched. After 60 years, let the Chinese clean their house, and let us Hindus learn from that. >>> "Mihir Meghani" 10/21 9:28 AM >>> here is a suggestions: should we support sanctions for China for religious persection or not support it because Christian missionaries will come in ----- Mihir Meghani, M.D. email: mihir@hindunet.org addr: PO Box 250304, West Bloomfield, MI 48325-0304 USA fax: 248-442-7204 -----Original Message----- From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Date: Tuesday, October 21, 1997 3:00 AM Subject: INFO : New FreeIndia Poll >FreeIndia Poll This week : > >Should India sign the treaty banning anti-personnel landmines? > >As always, the URL for the polling booth is : > >http://www.freeindia.org/poll/ > >And new and improved FreeIndia News can be accessed from > >http://www.freeindia.org/news/ > >you will find live news, and over 100 easy to read news links > >FreeIndia Chat is a lively place for news and history related chat > >http://www.freeindia.org/chat/ > >regards, > >ajay > > > >_____________________________ >For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Fri Oct 24 20:39:56 1997 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 16:36:15 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: RSS/VHP/HVK domains simplified Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please note the following simplified domain names RSS : http://www.rss.org VHP : http://www.vhp.org HVK : http://www.hvk.org regards, ajay _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Tue Oct 28 14:26:29 1997 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 11:22:29 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: New FreeIndia Poll : Investment in India Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This week's Freeindia Poll Question : Will the uncertainties in Southeast Asian markets affect Investment in India? to participate in the poll http://www.freeindia.org/poll/ FreeIndia.Org is a unique website about Indida with information about history and currents events in india. To access the latest news from India, including an easy access to over 100 well categorized links : http://www.freeindia.org/news/ To talk about news and current issues use FreeIndia chat http://www.freeindia.org/chat/ regards, ajay _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From gulaniu@pacbell.net Sun Nov 2 23:31:17 1997 Message-ID: <345D532D.197C@pacbell.net> Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 20:29:33 -0800 From: Uma Gulaniu X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gcmembers Subject: Need Ride for GCmeeting SAN FRANCISCO to ANTIOCH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Dear VHPGC members, Namaskar, and very happy Dewali to all. Hopefully we all will be meeting in Antioch California for GC meeting. Since this year the host families are not able to make arrangement for receiving us at the airport, we have to make our own arrangement for arriving safely at the motels we will be staying for the weekend. Sheela Kene & I are arriving San Fransisco by Reno Air on Friday the 14th at 5:20PM. I was wondering if any other GC members are arrving close to that time and have arrangement for the rental car and will be able to give us a ride upto Antioch . Kindly respond soon so that we can plan accordingly. With warmest regards. Uma Gulani _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ragarwal@mednet.med.miami.edu Mon Nov 3 10:08:47 1997 From: ragarwal@mednet.med.miami.edu Date: Mon, 03 Nov 97 10:16:52 EST Message-Id: <9710038785.AA878580568@mednet.med.miami.edu> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Need Ride for GCmeeting SAN FRANCISCO to ANTIOCH X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Dear VHPGC members, I am arriving Sanfrancisco from Miami at 10:30 P.M on Friday November 14th by Delta Airline. If any one is also arriving around thjat time may be we can rent a car. Let me know. With regards, Ram Prakash Agarwal ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Need Ride for GCmeeting SAN FRANCISCO to ANTIOCH Author: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org at SMTPMED Date: 11/2/97 11:48 PM Dear VHPGC members, Namaskar, and very happy Dewali to all. Hopefully we all will be meeting in Antioch California for GC meeting. Since this year the host families are not able to make arrangement for receiving us at the airport, we have to make our own arrangement for arriving safely at the motels we will be staying for the weekend. Sheela Kene & I are arriving San Fransisco by Reno Air on Friday the 14th at 5:20PM. I was wondering if any other GC members are arrving close to that time and have arrangement for the rental car and will be able to give us a ride upto Antioch . Kindly respond soon so that we can plan accordingly. With warmest regards. Uma Gulani _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Vartalapa@aol.com Mon Nov 3 13:04:19 1997 From: Vartalapa@aol.com Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 13:03:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971103125013_1001455754@mrin39> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Ride to airport X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 I will need a ride to the airport on Monday AM. Do we have any arrangements? Renu S Malhotra _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Tue Nov 4 22:34:12 1997 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 19:29:51 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: 1998 Festivals List desparately needed Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please send me this list, if possible typed up format. regards, ajay _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ragarwal@mednet.med.miami.edu Wed Nov 5 09:51:47 1997 From: ragarwal@mednet.med.miami.edu Date: Wed, 05 Nov 97 09:59:50 EST Message-Id: <9710058787.AA878752339@mednet.med.miami.edu> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: 1998 Festivals List desparately needed X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Dear Ajay The Washington chapter has published the 1998 calander which gives all the festivals. I don't have it here with me, it is at my home. may be I can a bring a copy to VHP-GC meeting. I will be out of town for the rest of week, otherwise I would have sent you the list. Ram Prakash Agarwal ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: 1998 Festivals List desparately needed Author: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org at SMTPMED Date: 11/4/97 10:43 PM Please send me this list, if possible typed up format. regards, ajay _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Vartalapa@aol.com Sat Nov 8 10:17:11 1997 From: Vartalapa@aol.com Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 10:16:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971108101639_305460289@mrin46.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Hello! X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Gaurang Bhai, Please do send me your fax # & home phone rightaway. Thanks! Renu From VICHARAK@aol.com Sun Nov 9 23:59:54 1997 From: VICHARAK@aol.com Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 23:59:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971109235922_-2143677152@mrin40.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Hello! X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Dear Renubahen: Namaste. Sorry- I have been working very long hours and did not get to my emails for almost a week. My number in NJ (where I am) is: (732) 393-0183. Usually I am home after 8:00 pm. My fax number at work is: (908) 595-9444. Please call me before faxing anything. Work: (888) 237-7978 ext. 125. See you soon. Brotherly, Gaurang 11/9/97 From VICHARAK@aol.com Mon Nov 10 00:04:46 1997 From: VICHARAK@aol.com Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 00:04:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971110000413_-2143677150@mrin38> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Correction X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 11/9/97 Dear Shree & Shreemati: Namaste. Just now after I answered a query from Renubahen Malhotra, I realized that she ahd addressed it to vhpgc-l@hindunet.org so my answer went to all of you advertantly. My apologies for that. I once againr equest all of you not to use vhpgc-l@hindunet.org address to send mails that do not pertain to all. Please use receiving party's email address (e.g. in my case: vicharak@aol.com). Also, please disregard phone my offic ephone number & fax number in the above reply. I do not want to receive any VHP related calls or faxes at my work place. Thank you. Brotherly, Gaurang From MUKERJS@SterlingDI.com Mon Nov 10 15:52:40 1997 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:50:25 -0500 From: Sushim Mukerji To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Hello! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Renubahen, the home phone number of Gaurangbhai : (732) 393 0183. I do not have his Fax number. >>> 11/08 10:16 AM >>> Gaurang Bhai, Please do send me your fax # & home phone rightaway. Thanks! Renu From Babu.Gandhi@trw.com Thu Nov 13 17:29:36 1997 Message-ID: Date: 13 Nov 1997 14:25:02 -0700 From: "Babu Gandhi" Subject: Re: Correction To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; Name="Message Body" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Message Body" X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org 11/13/97 2:10 PM RE>Correction Gaurangbhai and all G.C. Members I will at Tulsa performing/attending my neice's wedding on 15 Nove. Will reach San Francisco by 16 Nove. noon. Hopefully will be able to meet = some of our family members. Regards Babubhai Gandhi ------------------------------ Date: 11/9/97 9:23 PM To: Gandhi, Babu From: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org 11/9/97 Dear Shree & Shreemati: Namaste. Just now after I answered a query from Renubahen Malhotra, I realized that she ahd addressed it to vhpgc-l@hindunet.org so my answer = went to all of you advertantly. My apologies for that. I once againr equest = all of you not to use vhpgc-l@hindunet.org address to send mails that do not pertain to all. Please use receiving party's email address (e.g. in my = case: vicharak@aol.com). Also, please disregard phone my offic ephone number & fax number in the = above reply. I do not want to receive any VHP related calls or faxes at my = work place. Thank you. Brotherly, Gaurang ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by qmgate.trw.com with ADMIN;9 Nov 1997 21:06:53 -0800 Received: from www10.clever.net by mailhub1.trw.com; Sun, 9 Nov 97 = 21:09:33 -0800 Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) id = AAA07921; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 00:04:48 -0500 (EST) From: VICHARAK@aol.com Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 00:04:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971110000413_-2143677150@mrin38> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Correction X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Birjoo@aol.com Fri Nov 14 09:00:33 1997 From: Birjoo@aol.com Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:00:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <971114090001_-390164475@mrin44.mail.aol.com> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: No Subject X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 please take me off your e-mail list. thank you From cbando@lynx.dac.neu.edu Tue Nov 25 19:17:45 1997 From: Chandan Bandopadhyay Message-Id: <199711260017.TAA29394@lynx.dac.neu.edu> Subject: portrayal of the vhp and bjp is disturbing To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 19:17:43 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namaste, I think we should find out more about these guys:- (www.mnet.fr/aiindex/i_aii/hate.html) regards chandan Sender: HSC Talk Net Subject: [HSC-TALK] hello To: HSC-TALK@SARASWATI.HINDUNET.ORG Hello all, I dont know if netters have seen the following net address on the web. It's portrayal of the vhp and bjp is disturbing. www.mnet.fr/aiindex/i_aii/hate.html Thanks. Arun ;.if to amma-l ;.or to vhpgc-l ;.or to hsc-ucla-l ;.or to hvk-l ;.or to hss-l ;.or to roots-org-l ;_____________________________ ;For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ;Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ;.elif to -request ;______________________________________________________________________ ;For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ;Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ;.elif to -list ;__________________________________________________________________ ;To send mail to vhpgc-l, use the address: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ;For usage, send e-mail with "HELP" body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ;Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ;.else ;__________________________________________________________ ;For help, please send a HELP command to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ;.endif From MUKERJS@sterlingdi.com Wed Nov 26 08:51:49 1997 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 08:39:11 -0500 From: Sushim Mukerji To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: portrayal of the vhp and bjp is disturbing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This hate group appears to be "Rush Limbaugh" kind of people who twist everything. Good news is, a lot of curious people will get our message too through them. So, our job will always be to publish everything in measured language, so that these "Limbaughs" will only be frustrated. I agree, we should find out who they are. I leave that to you (you know the technology better). Regards. Sushim Mukerji >>> Chandan Bandopadhyay 11/25 7:17 PM >>> Namaste, I think we should find out more about these guys:- (www.mnet.fr/aiindex/i_aii/hate.html) regards chandan Sender: HSC Talk Net Subject: [HSC-TALK] hello To: HSC-TALK@SARASWATI.HINDUNET.ORG Hello all, I dont know if netters have seen the following net address on the web. It's portrayal of the vhp and bjp is disturbing. www.mnet.fr/aiindex/i_aii/hate.html Thanks. Arun ;.if to amma-l ;.or to vhpgc-l ;.or to hsc-ucla-l ;.or to hvk-l ;.or to hss-l ;.or to roots-org-l ;_____________________________ ;For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ;Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ;.elif to -request ;______________________________________________________________________ ;For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ;Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ;.elif to -list ;__________________________________________________________________ ;To send mail to vhpgc-l, use the address: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ;For usage, send e-mail with "HELP" body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ;Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ;.else ;__________________________________________________________ ;For help, please send a HELP command to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ;.endif ;.if to amma-l ;.or to vhpgc-l ;.or to hsc-ucla-l ;.or to hvk-l ;.or to hss-l ;.or to roots-org-l ;_____________________________ ;For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ;Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ;.elif to -request ;______________________________________________________________________ ;For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ;Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ;.elif to -list ;__________________________________________________________________ ;To send mail to vhpgc-l, use the address: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ;For usage, send e-mail with "HELP" body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ;Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ;.else ;__________________________________________________________ ;For help, please send a HELP command to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ;.endif From VICHARAK@aol.com Sat Dec 20 09:11:51 1997 From: VICHARAK Message-ID: <28cc53e9.349bd1ff@aol.com> Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 09:11:07 EST To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Fwd: An article from Times of India Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_882627069_boundary" Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_882627069_boundary Content-ID: <0_882627069@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII 12/20/1997 Dear GC members: namaskaar from Gaurang. This article was forwarded to me by our new GC meber, Shyam Tiwari from Atlanta. I am sure you would enjoy it and circualte it among your friends and community members. Brotherly, Gaurang --part0_882627069_boundary Content-ID: <0_882627069@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from relay07.mail.aol.com (relay07.mail.aol.com [172.31.109.7]) by air17.mail.aol.com (v36.0) with SMTP; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 01:34:42 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (F72.hotmail.com [207.82.250.158]) by relay07.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with SMTP id XAA18369 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 23:50:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 15730 invoked by uid 0); 13 Dec 1997 04:50:57 -0000 Message-ID: <19971213045057.15729.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 170.140.251.55 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 20:50:56 PST X-Originating-IP: [170.140.251.55] From: "shyam tiwari" To: vicharak@AOL.COM Subject: An article from Times of India Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 20:50:56 PST Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Namaste! Here is an article from 10th Dec. editorial section which I thought to share with everyone but I couldn't post it to vhpgc-l so thought atleast I can send it to you. regards, Shyam Tiwari All Indians are Hindus By Srichand P Hinduja India is a land with a radiant past. Indian culture is more than five thousand years old and the Vedas are the oldest tradition of knowledge, originally transmitted orally and later in the written form. The Indian tradition originated three thousand years before the Judeo-Christian-Islamic religions came into being. The civilisation that existed on the banks of the Indus flourished in the lap of a culture that far surpassed any other in terms of sheer advancement in thought, science and human development. Sanskrit had become one of the most perfect linguistic phenomena by way of grammar and phonetics. Research scientists in computer technology and linguistics now feel that Sanskrit's syntactical and scemantical perfection makes it the most suitable language for programming. The various schools of philosophy that were propagated from this great culture mushroomed into famous international universities, where scholars from all over the world migrated in search of the latest developments in human thought. Takshasila and Nalanda were two such great centres of learning. The peoples of this civilisation, whatever their caste or creed, called themselves ``Bharatvasis''. The word ``Hindu'' was used for them only by foreigners. The word ``Hindu'' did not exist in the Vedas nor in the post-Vedic texts of other religions like Buddhism or Jainism. It was the Greeks who used the word Indu for the river Sindhu and its people. The Arabs and Persians who followed them named the race of people living on the other side of this river as ``Hindi'' and they continue to do so until today. While Muslims, Christians and Buddhists were seen as adherents of their respective religions, Hindus were considered to be those who lived on a particular tract of land. Thus the word Hindu refers to all Indians who lived in India, similar to the words, Americans, British, Israelis, Persians, Arabs and Africans, all of which refer to people living in that particular region of the world. If people claim that Hindus are those who follow the Vedas, again the word ``Hindu'' cannot be associated with a particular religion. The root of the word Veda is ``Vid'' which means ``to know''. In this context, Vedas are books of knowledge and refer to the science and art of living. The Mongols, Turks and other invaders could not initially penetrate the political network of this region which stretched from Gandhar to Burma, and from the Himalayas to Kanyakumari. The British used the divisive forces of caste and creed, and the sense of insecurity among the Muslims and other religious minorities to divide and rule. Greedy and power-hungry politicians have encouraged these divisive forces. Unfortunately, this undermines the pace of foreign investments, decelerates the rate of economic growth and defeats us all in our battle against poverty. Political, business and social leaders of the country should not encourage activities which hamper our efforts to alleviate poverty and achieve social progress. Instead, they should bring about a change in the mindset of the people. That change should aim at promoting awareness of the true meaning of word ``Hindu'', and discourage leaders from using and abusing this word for their political and monetary gains. After all, why should anyone become an ``untouchable'' simply because the word ``Hindu'' has become misunderstood? The word Hindu refers to all Indians and should only be used to encourage a national identity not a religious one. All of us belong to the same culture and tradition of India, whatever our religious affiliation. Unfortunatley, power bases have been built by dividing sections of the society on the basis of religion, caste and creed. In the developed world, however, politicians who stay in power for a long time cannot resort to such tactics because the concept of nationhood is stronger than identity with a particular religion. A communist country like China is able to make the free market work better than India. Modern India faces a stark choice -- it can accept divisions of its society which will lead to continuing poverty and undermine social progress, or it can work to integrate the concept of nationhood and build a prosperous future. The dynamic, catalytic process of economic liberalisation should now be brought forward to its logical conclusion: to redeem Indian society from the deep-rooted fissures that have divided different groups based on caste, religion and creed. The Hinduja Foundations have established two Dharam Hinduja Indic Research Institutes -- one at Cambridge University headed by Dr Julius Lipner, and the other at Columbia University in New York under Dr Mary McGee -- to conduct research into the identity of the Indic tradition of knowledge. A third centre has been set up in New Delhi under Dr Kireet Joshi. I am proud to have descended from the ancient universal Indic culture -- a culture that gave birth to universal tolerance. This is a new vision whereby we can live together, with a sense of common humanity and common purpose for the future, enriching each other from the strengths of our particular traditions, and helping each other overcome the weaknesses of each of these traditions. This should be the new, constructive meaning of the term ``Hindu''. It ought to be a description that binds us together, through our diversity of faiths and perspectives, into one fellowship. *Srichand P Hinduja is chairman, Hinduja Group and Hinduja Foundations ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --part0_882627069_boundary-- ;.if to amma-l ;.or to vhpgc-l ;.or to hsc-ucla-l ;.or to hvk-l ;.or to hss-l ;.or to roots-org-l ;_____________________________ ;For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ;Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ;.elif to -request ;______________________________________________________________________ ;For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ;Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ;.elif to -list ;__________________________________________________________________ ;To send mail to vhpgc-l, use the address: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ;For usage, send e-mail with "HELP" body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ;Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ;.else ;__________________________________________________________ ;For help, please send a HELP command to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ;.endif From MJMEHTA@aol.com Mon Dec 22 05:38:07 1997 From: MJMEHTA Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 05:37:30 EST To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: An article from Times of India Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Written by Hinduja and published in Times of India when general elections are due is a sign of changing climate in India. Thanks Mahesh ;.if to amma-l ;.or to vhpgc-l ;.or to hsc-ucla-l ;.or to hvk-l ;.or to hss-l ;.or to roots-org-l ;_____________________________ ;For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ;Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ;.elif to -request ;______________________________________________________________________ ;For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ;Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ;.elif to -list ;__________________________________________________________________ ;To send mail to vhpgc-l, use the address: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ;For usage, send e-mail with "HELP" body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ;Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ;.else ;__________________________________________________________ ;For help, please send a HELP command to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ;.endif From HHParikh@aol.com Mon Dec 22 23:48:13 1997 From: HHParikh Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 23:43:51 EST To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: An article from Times of India Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Dear Gaurangbhai & Maheshbhai, Received Times of India Article. Excellent work hope new election can bring BJP with large majority so Govrnment for new Bharat can take shape for coming 21st century. best regards, hasit ;.if to amma-l ;.or to vhpgc-l ;.or to hsc-ucla-l ;.or to hvk-l ;.or to hss-l ;.or to roots-org-l ;_____________________________ ;For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ;Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ;.elif to -request ;______________________________________________________________________ ;For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ;Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ;.elif to -list ;__________________________________________________________________ ;To send mail to vhpgc-l, use the address: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ;For usage, send e-mail with "HELP" body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ;Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ;.else ;__________________________________________________________ ;For help, please send a HELP command to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ;.endif From srtiwari@hotmail.com Sun Jan 4 02:40:38 1998 Message-ID: <19980104074006.17488.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [170.140.251.156] From: "shyam tiwari" To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: BIJU MATHEW raises his ugly head again Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 23:40:02 PST X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Namaste! I am enclosing two articles by Biju Mathew published in 'communalism combat' and appeared in rediff.com. In god's name The Vishwa Hindu Parishad in America, the flagship organisation of Hindutva in North America, works silently in the shadows of multi-culturalism, rarely, if ever, emerging into public spotlight. The VHPA began operations in the US in 1970. It registered its first office in New York in 1974 as a cultural organisation with the goal of adding 'cultural enrichment' and 'awareness to American society', based on the time-tested 'eternal Hindu values'. It claims to have active 'member families' in 40 states. The largely professional Indian immigrant wave that started in the 1960s continues to contribute to the VHPA's power. Even today, the most significant component of immigration to the US is from India. Products of elite and, more recently, semi-elite urban institutions, these immigrants are themselves students of Nehruvian modernism and thus relatively adept at interfacing with the dominant white society. However, the petit-bourgeois element (small businessmen, traders) that entered the immigration channels in the late 1970s was different not only in that it did not enjoy the same easy passage into Anglo-Saxon America and its corporate cultural, but also because of the nature of its profession, it remained far more ghettoised than the professional community. While the professional community was dispersed all over the USA, the small businessmen were often located at close quarters to each other in metropolitan areas or immediate suburbs. Their physical and cultural ghettoisation were the early basis for the VHPA's growth. The 1970s saw its slow growth with two more certified offices in Connecticut and Illinois. Between 1980 and 1990, the VHPA established 10 more offices. The early VHPA documents written in the 1980s show evidence indicative of the petit-bourgeois basis of its initial formation. The nature of the English used in some of these documents, for instance, indicate that these may have been produced by the non-elite small businessmen who had 'disadvantages of language.' Apart from this extensive network of certified offices, the VHPA has its student wing -- the Hindu Students Council -- that functions in many ways as the most visible flagship organisation of Hindutva. The oldest HSC in North Eastern University dates back to 1987. By 1995 it had grown to have 45 chapters spread all across the US and Canada. The typical HSC is organised and run in most cases by a first generation immigrant graduate male student who has direct connection with the Sangh Parivar in India -- either a parent who is part of the RSS or BJP, or a family that has a historical link with one of these organisations or its earlier incarnations such as the Jan Sangh. However, in what is the growing trend, many new HSCs are now being organised and run by second generation Indian-Americans, either male or female, who has immediate family connections in VHPA. Each HSC is organised along strictly hierarchical lines with a president and general secretary at the local level who report directly to a regional coordinator. The regional co-ordinator, normally the president of the larger HSC chapter in an area, report to the National Council of Chapters that works from the HSC headquarters in Needham, Massachusetts. The insistence on hierarchy means the second generation students have to revert back to their 'superiors' for every decision. Though in nomenclatural terms these are two distinct organisations, it is far more correct to read the VHPA as the primary organisation which is run by an older generation of petit-bourgeois Indian men who give the ideological direction to the complex. The HSCs, with some ideologically committed members at the helm, work towards the presentation and propagation of the complex. In addition to these two main organisations, the VHPA operates through multiple other fronts. Some of these are constituted for a purpose and then allowed to fade away; others have a long-term functional utility. Such organisations include the Concerned Non-Resident Indians -- a group formed immediately after the Babri Masjid destruction for damage control exercise. Long-standing organisations include the Friends of the BJP which often plays host to the many visiting political figures from India. It is also active during other special occasions such as elections, and helps organise small town Mahila Samajs in conjunction with the local VHP chapter for 'dealing' with problems of women -- primarily, 'rearing children with traditional values.' With such an extensive organisation, one would expect the VHPA to be a far more public institution, at least within spaces that are marked by a preponderance of South Asians. This, however, is not true. Though it has a registered office in New York and a working office in Berlin, Connecticut, the VHPA does not figure in the telephone books of either city. But if one were to take the alternate route and investigate via the Net, one would find both the telephone numbers and addresses for VHPA in each city. However, these would lead us not to an office in the cultural or commercial districts of the town, but to a suburban mansion -- buried away and isolated. Even at the most obvious moments, the VHPA takes care to make itself as unnoticeable as possible. L McKean, one of the few scholars to study the VHPA in some depth, agrees. In 1993-94, the centenary year of Vivekananda's much-publicised address to the Parliament of World Religions in Chicago, the VHPA made a concerted effort to appropriate him as its patron saint. And yet, McKean says, "The VHPA was listed on the programme as a cosponsor and its delegation marched in the opening procession. However, the programme neither listed any sessions as sponsored by the VHP nor indicated that the Hindu Host Committee had members who are its supporters." The Net was however abuzz with Vivekananda. Alt. Hindu, recently converted to Soc.Religion.Hindu, a newsgroup started by one of the oldest and most dedicated HSC workers, selectively serialised Vivekananda from the beginning of 1993 till well after the centenary parliament. Soc.Culture.Indian, another newsgroup on which Hindutvavadis are a vocal presence, was a site for a three-month long barrage of continuous discussions on the relevance of Vivekananda to modern Hinduism. SCI also saw the emergence in the year preceding 1992, long and extended discussions on such topics as 'Why are Muslim men bad in bed?' and 'Are Muslims dirty?' -- questions that can be read in the context of a resurgent Hindu nationalism in India that revolved around notions of Hindu purity and its violation by Islam, and the central icon of the post 1980s wave of Hindu nationalism: Hindu manhood. In the months that followed December 6, 1992, Vivekananda was liberally mixed with discussions on 'Eating beef and sexuality,' 'Muslim rates of procreation' and 'Have we taught them a lesson?' (referring to the the VHP leaders's battlecry in India that they were out to teach 'Muslims a lesson.') These discussions continue to this day sporadically. Outside of the Net, the VHPA organised its World Vision 2000 conference of 1993. The razing of the Masjid itself elicited only a strong silence from it. However, many of its front organisations were active during this phase. On January 16, 1993, a group euphemistically called Concerned NRIs published an advertisement in the Indian Express in India claiming to represent '900,000 of the 1 million NRIs living in the US' who 'call Bharat their mother'. They called upon 'brothers and sisters in India' to pressurise the government to lift the ban that had been imposed on 'nationalistic organisations' such as the VHP and RSS. Similarly, the World Vision 2000 event was publicised by the HSCs and other front organisations. There was nothing to indicate the VHPA connection except the sponsorship line in the announcements. Why does the VHPA operate from the shadows? Profile/Biju Mathew Why does the VHPA operate from the shadows? Why, we may ask, does an organisation like the VHPA prefer to remain in the shadows, especially in a time when the right fringe of the white society has gone more and more mainstream? Why does the VHPA prefer to operate on the Net? Why does it need a student organisation as its public face? And finally, how successful has it been in expanding base in the US? To answer these questions of visibility/invisibility (the electronic media as the medium of choice and student politics as mode of growth), one needs to look at the specifics of how the Indian immigrant class is positioned in the US. In other words, one needs to look precisely at the nexus of the politics of race, class and diaspora. If one were to follow a 'few discussion threads' on newsgroups such as AH, SCI or SRH, we would immediately realise that these networks provide a historical discourse on 'Hindu' cultural forms. We must note, at the outset, that the Indian English educated professional, especially those from elite/semi elite engineering, medical or business schools in India, are a fundamentally dispossessed lot. They often arrive with an extremely sketchy knowledge of the complexity of the social relations that constitute India today. Products of their own uniquely narrow family prejudices, they are thrown into residential institutions at an early age and remain 'protected' from the social world outside. Yet, they have been instructed by the Nehruvian dream that to be technically competent is to be part of building the nation. This package of narrow social consciousness and technical arrogance is what the US imports every year from India. However, arriving as they do from the IITs, RECs and IIMs, they have no basis for meeting either the alienation felt in entering a different cultural space nor the demand placed on them to produce their difference for the market. Further, the spatial dispersion of the diaporic community ensures that the Net is their only real mode of renegotiating this problems of identity, produced from both within and without. The VHPA responds to such a need. If one looks at the web pages of HSC and VHPA, it offers a series of cultural information packages, from a database of Hindu names to a collection of articles and nuggets which all answer the question 'Who is a Hindu?' from such ideologues as Golwalkar and Dattopant Thengadi and an English version of the Gita to selected writings of Vivekananda. Apart from such 'packaged' information, the 'open' discussions that ensure on the Net are equally instructive. They often unfold as a series of notes that work out the details of one small aspect of a larger issue. Rarely does a discussion stay focused on the larger issue that may have been the starting point of a 'thread.' For instance, an article that analysed caste politics in India would be very quickly subjected to a series of positivist tests on its 'truth claims' and also produce a series of peripherally connected discussions on topics as wide and varied as 'the origins of caste,' (most often explained through the Aryan-Dravidian race theory or a sketchy sociology of social division of labour), 'the Mandal Commission' (which would proceed through multiple stages of the 'end of merit' argument), or how Indians abroad should not talk about caste as it is divisive. Most, if not all, of these responses would be suffused with references to hypothesis, assumptions, axioms and logic. This mode of conversation in which a text is fragmented into a set of hypothesis, axioms, assumptions and 'facts', and only those aspects which are 'convenient' picked up for discussion and the rest abandoned, is discussed by Janki Nair (1994) in her essay Questions of a Historian Reading E-mail: 'Popular challenges to questions of history, judging from just a sample of assertions on e-mail in the USA, are increasingly being mounted by Indian professionals of a science and technology background, who express open distrust for the methods of historians, and who are convinced they are better equipped by the positivist traditions of science to make decisive assertions about Indian history.' 'The new positivist knights rescuing history from its practitioners produce a version of history that bears curious resemblance to a balance sheet.' Not only is this mode to be understood as simply positivist, but it also deploys a particular discursive strategy of fragmenting texts that finally produces a historical picture and gives an inventory of isolated cultural packets that work successfully as symbolic capital -- the items in the 'balance sheet' that Nair points to is precisely that. Further, the question of bad history is elaborated by Nair: 'Such assertions wear a cloak of spurious scientifically flourishing 'evidence' from discredited colonial sources or making extrapolations from thin bits of linguistic evidence. The recent claim that Hindu Kush means 'Hindu killer' and refers to a period of genocide of Hindus by Muslim invaders is a case in point.' While Nair suggests that 'discredited' or 'thin' evidence is used, the mastery of the Hindutva lobby must be understood in that it also constructs evidence. In the same article about the Hindu Kush mountains, references that the article 'used' were found to be non-existent on close scrutiny. Thus, the packaged 'knowledge', positivist and fragmentary history and outright incorrect history that the Hindutvavadi doles out on the Net gives to the immigrant both modes of dealing with his/her own alienation and the cultural capital they need to work within the market of multiculturalism. This mode of resolution to the problem of cultural authenticity is what I often call the marginal efficiency of the Net. Indian immigrants to the US, both the professional bourgeois and the petitbourgeois, arrive already sold to the Great White American Dream. Their relation to nationalism and questions of identity is therefore not just a product of the nationalist construction of India but also continuously mediated by their link to the American dream. From within such a configuration of social desire, the immigrant Indian is forced to accommodate his/her nationalism and identity in such a fashion that it always remains contained within the sphere of 'white' cultural hegemony. It is this contradiction that produces the discourse of model minority. We must here note that the model minority is as much a construction of the dominant white society as it is an understanding of the self that Asians deploy constantly. From within the landscape of race politics, the dominant white society, without doubt, seeks out the Asian as a model against the black who stands condemned by the 'success' of the recently-arrived immigrant. For the Asians, to be a model minority means not just to distance oneself from the black American, but, far more importantly, that he/she must integrate him/herself with the model 'white.' How successful would an organisation like the VHPA that speaks in the name of 'all' Hindus in a Christian land be at remaining 'unnamed?' No organisation that claims to be Hindu without paying attention to how this Hindu can be both distinct from the black American and be part of the white liberal structure of value can hope to work effectively. It, therefore, projects itself through the HSCs and electronic space where the individual can read back into different discourses of universalism -- professional or engineer or scientist -- as marked so often in the electronic spaces by headers (att.com; intel.com; columbia.edu) or footers (elaborate plan files which often include quotes from some 'great' thinker on questions of truth and falsity) or by the general structure of his/her argumentation (the scientific/positivist structure). The HSCs are organisations uniquely suited to the task of ex-nomination by virtue of its capacity to integrate itself into the liberal ideology of multi-culturalism. The liberal academy in the US is the stronghold of multi-culturalism. It is into this liberal universalism of multi-culturalism that Hindutva vanishes in the liberal academy. It is important to note here that HSCs and Hindutva have flourished most notably in the most liberal of universities in the US. Their primary sites of growth in the early 1990s were not the hundreds of universities that dot the American landscape and cater to middle America, but the ivy league institutions and other super-elite ones such as the Harvard, MIT, Columbia, Tufts, Boston University, Carnegie-Mellon and Princeton. It is only after this initial burst wherein it established itself in nearly all of the elite eastern seaboard institutions that it spread. On numerous occasions the HSCs have made full use of multi-culturalism to draw in a diverse body of people and thus legitimise itself. On nearly every campus, the HSCs begin their activities with a 'ethnic food festival' or a popular film screening. These events draw in an audience and the HSCs emerge legitimised by such interactions. Simultaneously, Gita reading sessions are also planned which initiate the uninitiated and remain an 'event of learning' within the framework of multi-culturalism to its advantage. The services offered include a pre-prepared 'Statement of Objectives' or 'Constitution' from the National Council of Chapters, advice on how to choose a faculty adviser, warnings on how not to sign any modifications to the Constitution unless cleared by the NCC and modes of circumventing the minimum number of signatories required clause on the grounds of being a minority. The awareness that this document exhibits of multi-culturalism's definitions within liberal academy is illuminating. The HSC's Mission statement has multi-culturalism framed as one of its central principles. And so the saffron stays in the shadow and the VHPA melts away into the inaccessibility of the suburb. The HSC arrives in public, not with its ideological label written across its forehead like a caste sign, but more appropriately painted in the shades of multi-culturism. The VHPA, we can be sure, will stay in the shadow universalism into which it can fade. On the margins, one can see efforts to find such universalism. The most recent effort is to produce the Hindu as the most oppressed community in humanity's history. Stories of the holocaust have been steadily constructed, including the one that Nair mentions of the Hindu Kush mountains. During 1996, the HSCs sponsored a long Net discussion on the number of Hindus killed in the 1971 war that created a separate Bangladesh, quoting in the process everything from US intelligence reports to RSS literature and producing figures of dead Hindus as high as eight million. Around the same time, there was a proposal voiced in private circles to begin lobbying for a space in the Holocaust museum in DC or, if not that, a similar space in the national capital. Maybe the campaign will fall by the wayside, but we can be sure the effort will be continued. By arrangement with Communalism Combat ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From pandyahc@juno.com Mon Jan 5 21:46:01 1998 To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 21:03:35 -0500 Subject: Re: BIJU MATHEW raises his ugly head again Message-ID: <19980105.214124.3262.0.pandyahc@juno.com> References: <19980104074006.17488.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,5-6 From: pandyahc@juno.com (Harish C Pandya) X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Namest! So what are the plans. How we are going to teach Biju a lesson so he does not raises his ugly head again. My mother used to tell me "Jhuke us se Jhuke jaeya aur ruke us se ruk jaeya". In other word tit for tat. No forgiving. We should not pocket any insult. We have to tach this people lesson. Harish Pandya _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From srtiwari@hotmail.com Mon Jan 5 22:26:16 1998 Message-ID: <19980106032543.19228.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [170.140.251.15] From: "shyam tiwari" To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: BIJU MATHEW's Article Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 19:25:42 PST X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Namaste! Here is the letter which I sent to news@www.rediff.co.in. I really want to thank rediff.com for bringing this article to everyone's attention otherwise such inaccurate depiction's go very much unchallenged. It has been a while since I read something written by Mr. Biju Mathew. Mr.Mathew and his likes have constantly been engaged in Hindu bashing through the guise of fighting 'communalism'. Sprisingly they are living in a country where Hindus are in minority but being used to such bashing in India, they can't help themselves but continue doing the same here in USA. Mr. Mathew and his likes should realize that this is a country which has been founded on democratic principles and 'In God We Trust' is written very clearly. I don't think biases against Hindus which normally communists have in India would fly here. Somehow Mr. Mathew and his likes have dreamt of this new idea of attacking VHPA by saying that VHPA ' works silently in the shadows of multi-culturalism'. VHPA is not a communist organization which has to work in guise of so called 'to fight communalism' or 'secular'. VHPA has very clear vision and broad objectives to fulfill that vision. It does not need to hide anything or be secretive to survive like most of the communists do in this country. If Mr. Mathew and his likes are really worried about communalism why don't they write about the communal countries. I don't think they have guts to do that. They can only bark at those whom they think would seldom fight back. Mr. Mathew and his likes have just one point agenda, attack Hindu organizations with the same single track mind set which compels them to think that it is like India where Hindus are in majority and Hindu bashing can continue in the name of 'secularism'. Wake up Mr. Mathew and find some new constructive genuine issues which can work for the welfare of humanity. Stop using old stale rotten boring issues which no longer interest readers in USA. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From MJMEHTA@aol.com Tue Jan 6 05:16:15 1998 From: MJMEHTA Message-ID: <8925a69.34b2044b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 05:15:38 EST To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: BIJU MATHEW's Article Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Dear Shyamji: Good attack. Let some more responses be directed to his address. Regards Mahesh Mehta _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From MJMEHTA@aol.com Tue Jan 6 05:23:55 1998 From: MJMEHTA Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 05:23:14 EST To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: BIJU MATHEW raises his ugly head again Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Dear Harishji: Welcome back. How was you India trip? Several letters can be directed to Biju . But we should remember those whose lives depend on lies do not change their view points by rational approach. This particular e-mail would not have any impact on most of thereaders. It lacks any sound argument or any facts worth even correcting. However, some letters should go to him in the same language without trying to explain what is VHPA. Simply attack in the same language. Regards Mahesh Mehta _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Pallod@aol.com Thu Jan 8 21:39:38 1998 From: Pallod Message-ID: <40d06c14.34b58d21@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 21:36:10 EST To: VHPgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: HSC press release - Yuva 97 Houston Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Namashkar, HSC had a great event in Houston. Please spread the word. I have sent press release to major Indian News papers. Vijay Kumar Pallod. HINDU STUDENTS COUNCIL Press Release: For Immediate Release Prepared by Devika Koppikar December 30, 1997 Young Hindus celebrate holiday season with salute to India HOUSTON, TEXAS - Sleeping in late was the last thing on the minds of many Hindu-American young people this holiday season. Instead, they spent December 26 to 28th learning the spiritual meanings of Indian classical arts, attending seminars on Hindu issues and discussing preservation of Hinduism in America at 7th Annual Hindu Students Council (HSC) national conference in Houston, Texas. Named YUVA '97 (festival of youth), the conference commemorated the 50th Anniversary of India's Independence. "We saluted India's Independence because India is the motherland of ancient Hindu thought and birthplace or home to many of our rishis," said Anand Parekh, National Media Coordinator for HSC and M.D.-M.P.H student. HSC, a student-founded and led organization, educates young Hindus, (most of whom grew up in the United States) about their religion and culture."The goals of HSC are to provide an international forum to raise awareness of Hindu culture and heritage as well as to provide a forum to discuss issues that affect Hindus. For many, HSC provides the support of reconciling two cultures and gaining support of misconceptions of India projected onto Indo-Americans. "When I was 12 years old, American kids would gang up on me at the bus stop, yelling, "Gandhi dot" and ask "Why do people in India worship cows and drink cow urine?" said Falguni Trivedi, freshman from Houston, Texas. According to "Searching for our Hindu Roots" in HINDUISM TODAY, October 1997. "It's pretty tough for young Hindus stuck between two cultures. At HSC, I can be with others, get support, learn to understand and teach my culture, so that when we face these things, we don't have to feel condemned." The YUVA '97 conference provided many seminars, discussions and activities to address these issues. These sessions included "East vs. West" (which focused on differences between Hindu and Christian religions), "Media Concepts of India," "Women’s Quest for Equality," "Science and Spirituality," "Integral Humanism" and "Nutrition and Stress." Rishi Goswami, a pre-med sophomore from UT-Austin said that he learned a new perspective of ancient Hindu legends of gods and goddesses. "As children, we are amazed by the awe and wonder of these tales, but in the conference, I learned that there is a bigger picture to these stories. The stories actually have moral and spiritual lessons." Goswami, a son of a priest, also spoke in the "East vs. West" seminar about his views of Hinduism while growing up in America. He said that he came to the conference to get others' views on Hinduism and incorporate this with his search for spiritualism. The keynote speaker for the conference was Dr. Ved P. Nanda, Director of the International Legal Studies program at the University of Denver, Colorado. He discussed India's global role in the next millennium. The Consulate General of India, Swashpavan Singh also spoke at the conference. Interactive demonstrations marked another event in the at YUVA '97. Here, HSC members with talent in playing tabla, dancing BharatNatyam and singing ragas explained the meaning and history of their art after their performances. Additional guest speakers included Dr. Dilip Vedalankar, of the Arya Samaj of Greater Houston, who discussed practical dharma; Dr. Kalpalatha Guntapalli, Professor of Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine and president-elect of the American Association of Physicians of Indian Origin, who spoke about Women's Equality; Dr. Jayaram Guntupalli, Associate Professor of Medicine at the University of Texas Medical School, who spoke about nutrition and stress; Dr. Nik Nikham, a Houston cardiologist, who spoke about the effect of attitude upon one's success; Devika Koppikar, a public relations specialist who spoke about her experience in a Christian Church and Amit Mishra, a Houston attorney, who spoke about the preservation of Hindu culture among Indian- Americans. "If we are to preserve our culture, we must stress the spiritual aspects of it rather than its more superficial social aspects," Mishra said in his speech. Pramod Sanghi, an HSC member from Michigan, who heard Mishra speak said, "Mishra's points were both bold and honest. They demonstrated his knowledge of psycho-social issues which are faced by my generation of Hindu-Americans." Local Hindu families were invited to join the youth in a dinner-program featuring a slide show focusing on freedom fighters and garba/raas on Saturday evening. Fifty HSC chapters exist in North America. In Texas, the active chapters include the ones at Texas A&M at College Station; Texas A&M in Kingsville, University of Texas at Arlington, University of Houston and the University of Texas at Austin. The national organization was founded in 1990 in New Jersey. HSC campus chapters meet weekly for activities such as discussions, community service activities and religious celebrations. Two national events occur yearly, a summer camp during the July 4th weekend and a national conference, such as the recent Houston festival, in late December or early January. Participants of this year's national conference included not only undergraduates, but also graduate students, young professionals and high school students. "(The generation range) was good because we want to promote the goals of HSC beyond the four years of college," Parekh said. "Learning and practicing Hinduism is a life long process." Sandeep Gupta, regional coordinator for HSC's Texas chapters, added that the conference gave the group an excellent opportunity to build their regional team. Together, the team plans for similar, but smaller regional programs within the next year. "The conference was a great success because of the tremendous amount of support given to us by the Hindu community," said Gupta, a Houston-based software engineer and a graduate of Rice and MIT. The annual camp and conference for 1998 are in the planning stages. For more information on the Hindu Students Council, contact the national office at (617) 698-1106 or visit the website at www.hindunet.org. E-mail is hsc@hindunet.org. The address is P.O. Box 9185, Boston, MA, USA 02114. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From nandsharma@cbgw1.lucent.com Fri Jan 9 09:47:12 1998 Message-ID: From: "Sharma, Nand K (Nand)" To: "'vhpgc-l@hindunet.org'" Subject: RE: BIJU MATHEW raises his ugly head again Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:46:59 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Shyamji: I appreciate your responding to Biju's nasty articles right away. Could you please let me know where and when this article appeared and where to send additional responses, if needed. Sometimes, I wonder as to how much energies we should spend in replying to such meaningless messages. on the other hand, if such articles have a wide distribution, it becomes necessary to send a meaningful response, not for correcting Biju and his p-secular friends, but for the general public that is reading such garbage messages. Will sending a response to rediff.com ensure that the audience that read Biju's original article will see the responses to it? Please help. Thanks. Nand Kishore >---------- >From: shyam tiwari[SMTP:srtiwari@hotmail.com] >Sent: Sunday, January 04, 1998 2:40 AM >To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >Subject: BIJU MATHEW raises his ugly head again > >Namaste! > >I am enclosing two articles by Biju Mathew published in 'communalism >combat' and appeared in rediff.com. > >In god's name > >The Vishwa Hindu Parishad in America, the flagship organisation of >Hindutva in North America, works silently in the shadows of >multi-culturalism, rarely, if ever, emerging into public spotlight. > >The VHPA began operations in the US in 1970. It registered its first >office in New York in 1974 as a cultural organisation with the goal of >adding 'cultural enrichment' and 'awareness to American society', based >on the time-tested 'eternal Hindu values'. It claims to have active >'member families' in 40 states. > >The largely professional Indian immigrant wave that started in the 1960s >continues to contribute to the VHPA's power. Even today, the most >significant component of immigration to the US is from India. Products >of elite and, more recently, semi-elite urban institutions, these >immigrants are themselves students of Nehruvian modernism and thus >relatively adept at interfacing with the dominant white society. > >However, the petit-bourgeois element (small businessmen, traders) that >entered the immigration channels in the late 1970s was different not >only in that it did not enjoy the same easy passage into Anglo-Saxon >America and its corporate cultural, but also because of the nature of >its profession, it remained far more ghettoised than the professional >community. > >While the professional community was dispersed all over the USA, the >small businessmen were often located at close quarters to each other in >metropolitan areas or immediate suburbs. Their physical and cultural >ghettoisation were the early basis for the VHPA's growth. > >The 1970s saw its slow growth with two more certified offices in >Connecticut and Illinois. Between 1980 and 1990, the VHPA established 10 >more offices. > >The early VHPA documents written in the 1980s show evidence indicative >of the petit-bourgeois basis of its initial formation. The nature of the >English used in some of these documents, for instance, indicate that >these may have been produced by the non-elite small businessmen who had >'disadvantages of language.' > >Apart from this extensive network of certified offices, the VHPA has its >student wing -- the Hindu Students Council -- that functions in many >ways as the most visible flagship organisation of Hindutva. > >The oldest HSC in North Eastern University dates back to 1987. By 1995 >it had grown to have 45 chapters spread all across the US and Canada. >The typical HSC is organised and run in most cases by a first generation >immigrant graduate male student who has direct connection with the Sangh >Parivar in India -- either a parent who is part of the RSS or BJP, or a >family that has a historical link with one of these organisations or its >earlier incarnations such as the Jan Sangh. However, in what is the >growing trend, many new HSCs are now being organised and run by second >generation Indian-Americans, either male or female, who has immediate >family connections in VHPA. > >Each HSC is organised along strictly hierarchical lines with a president >and general secretary at the local level who report directly to a >regional coordinator. The regional co-ordinator, normally the president >of the larger HSC chapter in an area, report to the National Council of >Chapters that works from the HSC headquarters in Needham, Massachusetts. >The insistence on hierarchy means the second generation students have to >revert back to their 'superiors' for every decision. > >Though in nomenclatural terms these are two distinct organisations, it >is far more correct to read the VHPA as the primary organisation which >is run by an older generation of petit-bourgeois Indian men who give the >ideological direction to the complex. The HSCs, with some ideologically >committed members at the helm, work towards the presentation and >propagation of the complex. > >In addition to these two main organisations, the VHPA operates through >multiple other fronts. Some of these are constituted for a purpose and >then allowed to fade away; others have a long-term functional utility. >Such organisations include the Concerned Non-Resident Indians -- a group >formed immediately after the Babri Masjid destruction for damage control >exercise. > >Long-standing organisations include the Friends of the BJP which often >plays host to the many visiting political figures from India. It is also >active during other special occasions such as elections, and helps >organise small town Mahila Samajs in conjunction with the local VHP >chapter for 'dealing' with problems of women -- primarily, 'rearing >children with traditional values.' > >With such an extensive organisation, one would expect the VHPA to be a >far more public institution, at least within spaces that are marked by a >preponderance of South Asians. This, however, is not true. > >Though it has a registered office in New York and a working office in >Berlin, Connecticut, the VHPA does not figure in the telephone books of >either city. But if one were to take the alternate route and investigate >via the Net, one would find both the telephone numbers and addresses for >VHPA in each city. However, these would lead us not to an office in the >cultural or commercial districts of the town, but to a suburban mansion >-- buried away and isolated. > >Even at the most obvious moments, the VHPA takes care to make itself as >unnoticeable as possible. L McKean, one of the few scholars to study the >VHPA in some depth, agrees. In 1993-94, the centenary year of >Vivekananda's much-publicised address to the Parliament of World >Religions in Chicago, the VHPA made a concerted effort to appropriate >him as its patron saint. > >And yet, McKean says, "The VHPA was listed on the programme as a >cosponsor and its delegation marched in the opening procession. However, >the programme neither listed any sessions as sponsored by the VHP nor >indicated that the Hindu Host Committee had members who are its >supporters." > >The Net was however abuzz with Vivekananda. Alt. Hindu, recently >converted to Soc.Religion.Hindu, a newsgroup started by one of the >oldest and most dedicated HSC workers, selectively serialised >Vivekananda from the beginning of 1993 till well after the centenary >parliament. Soc.Culture.Indian, another newsgroup on which Hindutvavadis >are a vocal presence, was a site for a three-month long barrage of >continuous discussions on the relevance of Vivekananda to modern >Hinduism. > >SCI also saw the emergence in the year preceding 1992, long and extended >discussions on such topics as 'Why are Muslim men bad in bed?' and 'Are >Muslims dirty?' -- questions that can be read in the context of a >resurgent Hindu nationalism in India that revolved around notions of >Hindu purity and its violation by Islam, and the central icon of the >post 1980s wave of Hindu nationalism: Hindu manhood. > >In the months that followed December 6, 1992, Vivekananda was liberally >mixed with discussions on 'Eating beef and sexuality,' 'Muslim rates of >procreation' and 'Have we taught them a lesson?' (referring to the the >VHP leaders's battlecry in India that they were out to teach 'Muslims a >lesson.') These discussions continue to this day sporadically. > >Outside of the Net, the VHPA organised its World Vision 2000 conference >of 1993. The razing of the Masjid itself elicited only a strong silence >from it. However, many of its front organisations were active during >this phase. > >On January 16, 1993, a group euphemistically called Concerned NRIs >published an advertisement in the Indian Express in India claiming to >represent '900,000 of the 1 million NRIs living in the US' who 'call >Bharat their mother'. They called upon 'brothers and sisters in India' >to pressurise the government to lift the ban that had been imposed on >'nationalistic organisations' such as the VHP and RSS. > >Similarly, the World Vision 2000 event was publicised by the HSCs and >other front organisations. There was nothing to indicate the VHPA >connection except the sponsorship line in the announcements. > >Why does the VHPA operate from the shadows? > >Profile/Biju Mathew > >Why does the VHPA operate from the shadows? > >Why, we may ask, does an organisation like the VHPA prefer to remain in >the shadows, especially in a time when the right fringe of the white >society has gone more and more mainstream? Why does the VHPA prefer to >operate on the Net? Why does it need a student organisation as its >public face? And finally, how successful has it been in expanding base >in the US? > >To answer these questions of visibility/invisibility (the electronic >media as the medium of choice and student politics as mode of growth), >one needs to look at the specifics of how the Indian immigrant class is >positioned in the US. In other words, one needs to look precisely at the >nexus of the politics of race, class and diaspora. > >If one were to follow a 'few discussion threads' on newsgroups such as >AH, SCI or SRH, we would immediately realise that these networks provide >a historical discourse on 'Hindu' cultural forms. We must note, at the >outset, that the Indian English educated professional, especially those >from elite/semi elite engineering, medical or business schools in India, >are a fundamentally dispossessed lot. They often arrive with an >extremely sketchy knowledge of the complexity of the social relations >that constitute India today. > >Products of their own uniquely narrow family prejudices, they are thrown >into residential institutions at an early age and remain 'protected' >from the social world outside. Yet, they have been instructed by the >Nehruvian dream that to be technically competent is to be part of >building the nation. This package of narrow social consciousness and >technical arrogance is what the US imports every year from India. > >However, arriving as they do from the IITs, RECs and IIMs, they have no >basis for meeting either the alienation felt in entering a different >cultural space nor the demand placed on them to produce their difference >for the market. Further, the spatial dispersion of the diaporic >community ensures that the Net is their only real mode of renegotiating >this problems of identity, produced from both within and without. > >The VHPA responds to such a need. If one looks at the web pages of HSC >and VHPA, it offers a series of cultural information packages, from a >database of Hindu names to a collection of articles and nuggets which >all answer the question 'Who is a Hindu?' from such ideologues as >Golwalkar and Dattopant Thengadi and an English version of the Gita to >selected writings of Vivekananda. > >Apart from such 'packaged' information, the 'open' discussions that >ensure on the Net are equally instructive. They often unfold as a series >of notes that work out the details of one small aspect of a larger >issue. Rarely does a discussion stay focused on the larger issue that >may have been the starting point of a 'thread.' For instance, an article >that analysed caste politics in India would be very quickly subjected to >a series of positivist tests on its 'truth claims' and also produce a >series of peripherally connected discussions on topics as wide and >varied as 'the origins of caste,' (most often explained through the >Aryan-Dravidian race theory or a sketchy sociology of social division of >labour), 'the Mandal Commission' (which would proceed through multiple >stages of the 'end of merit' argument), or how Indians abroad should not >talk about caste as it is divisive. > >Most, if not all, of these responses would be suffused with references >to hypothesis, assumptions, axioms and logic. This mode of conversation >in which a text is fragmented into a set of hypothesis, axioms, >assumptions and 'facts', and only those aspects which are 'convenient' >picked up for discussion and the rest abandoned, is discussed by Janki >Nair (1994) in her essay Questions of a Historian Reading E-mail: >'Popular challenges to questions of history, judging from just a sample >of assertions on e-mail in the USA, are increasingly being mounted by >Indian professionals of a science and technology background, who express >open distrust for the methods of historians, and who are convinced they >are better equipped by the positivist traditions of science to make >decisive assertions about Indian history.' 'The new positivist knights >rescuing history from its practitioners produce a version of history >that bears curious resemblance to a balance sheet.' > >Not only is this mode to be understood as simply positivist, but it also >deploys a particular discursive strategy of fragmenting texts that >finally produces a historical picture and gives an inventory of isolated >cultural packets that work successfully as symbolic capital -- the items >in the 'balance sheet' that Nair points to is precisely that. > >Further, the question of bad history is elaborated by Nair: 'Such >assertions wear a cloak of spurious scientifically flourishing >'evidence' from discredited colonial sources or making extrapolations >from thin bits of linguistic evidence. The recent claim that Hindu Kush >means 'Hindu killer' and refers to a period of genocide of Hindus by >Muslim invaders is a case in point.' > >While Nair suggests that 'discredited' or 'thin' evidence is used, the >mastery of the Hindutva lobby must be understood in that it also >constructs evidence. In the same article about the Hindu Kush mountains, >references that the article 'used' were found to be non-existent on >close scrutiny. > >Thus, the packaged 'knowledge', positivist and fragmentary history and >outright incorrect history that the Hindutvavadi doles out on the Net >gives to the immigrant both modes of dealing with his/her own alienation >and the cultural capital they need to work within the market of >multiculturalism. This mode of resolution to the problem of cultural >authenticity is what I often call the marginal efficiency of the Net. > >Indian immigrants to the US, both the professional bourgeois and the >petitbourgeois, arrive already sold to the Great White American Dream. >Their relation to nationalism and questions of identity is therefore not >just a product of the nationalist construction of India but also >continuously mediated by their link to the American dream. > >From within such a configuration of social desire, the immigrant Indian >is forced to accommodate his/her nationalism and identity in such a >fashion that it always remains contained within the sphere of 'white' >cultural hegemony. It is this contradiction that produces the discourse >of model minority. > >We must here note that the model minority is as much a construction of >the dominant white society as it is an understanding of the self that >Asians deploy constantly. From within the landscape of race politics, >the dominant white society, without doubt, seeks out the Asian as a >model against the black who stands condemned by the 'success' of the >recently-arrived immigrant. > >For the Asians, to be a model minority means not just to distance >oneself from the black American, but, far more importantly, that he/she >must integrate him/herself with the model 'white.' How successful would >an organisation like the VHPA that speaks in the name of 'all' Hindus in >a Christian land be at remaining 'unnamed?' No organisation that claims >to be Hindu without paying attention to how this Hindu can be both >distinct from the black American and be part of the white liberal >structure of value can hope to work effectively. > >It, therefore, projects itself through the HSCs and electronic space >where the individual can read back into different discourses of >universalism -- professional or engineer or scientist -- as marked so >often in the electronic spaces by headers (att.com; intel.com; >columbia.edu) or footers (elaborate plan files which often include >quotes from some 'great' thinker on questions of truth and falsity) or >by the general structure of his/her argumentation (the >scientific/positivist structure). > >The HSCs are organisations uniquely suited to the task of ex-nomination >by virtue of its capacity to integrate itself into the liberal ideology >of multi-culturalism. The liberal academy in the US is the stronghold of >multi-culturalism. It is into this liberal universalism of >multi-culturalism that Hindutva vanishes in the liberal academy. It is >important to note here that HSCs and Hindutva have flourished most >notably in the most liberal of universities in the US. > >Their primary sites of growth in the early 1990s were not the hundreds >of universities that dot the American landscape and cater to middle >America, but the ivy league institutions and other super-elite ones such >as the Harvard, MIT, Columbia, Tufts, Boston University, Carnegie-Mellon >and Princeton. It is only after this initial burst wherein it >established itself in nearly all of the elite eastern seaboard >institutions that it spread. > >On numerous occasions the HSCs have made full use of multi-culturalism >to draw in a diverse body of people and thus legitimise itself. On >nearly every campus, the HSCs begin their activities with a 'ethnic food >festival' or a popular film screening. These events draw in an audience >and the HSCs emerge legitimised by such interactions. Simultaneously, >Gita reading sessions are also planned which initiate the uninitiated >and remain an 'event of learning' within the framework of >multi-culturalism to its advantage. > >The services offered include a pre-prepared 'Statement of Objectives' or >'Constitution' from the National Council of Chapters, advice on how to >choose a faculty adviser, warnings on how not to sign any modifications >to the Constitution unless cleared by the NCC and modes of circumventing >the minimum number of signatories required clause on the grounds of >being a minority. > >The awareness that this document exhibits of multi-culturalism's >definitions within liberal academy is illuminating. The HSC's Mission >statement has multi-culturalism framed as one of its central principles. > >And so the saffron stays in the shadow and the VHPA melts away into the >inaccessibility of the suburb. The HSC arrives in public, not with its >ideological label written across its forehead like a caste sign, but >more appropriately painted in the shades of multi-culturism. > >The VHPA, we can be sure, will stay in the shadow universalism into >which it can fade. On the margins, one can see efforts to find such >universalism. The most recent effort is to produce the Hindu as the most >oppressed community in humanity's history. Stories of the holocaust have >been steadily constructed, including the one that Nair mentions of the >Hindu Kush mountains. > >During 1996, the HSCs sponsored a long Net discussion on the number of >Hindus killed in the 1971 war that created a separate Bangladesh, >quoting in the process everything from US intelligence reports to RSS >literature and producing figures of dead Hindus as high as eight >million. > >Around the same time, there was a proposal voiced in private circles to >begin lobbying for a space in the Holocaust museum in DC or, if not >that, a similar space in the national capital. Maybe the campaign will >fall by the wayside, but we can be sure the effort will be continued. > >By arrangement with Communalism Combat > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >_____________________________ >For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > > > _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajayshah@rocketmail.com Fri Jan 9 12:57:56 1998 Message-ID: <19980109175521.28590.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:55:21 -0800 (PST) From: Ajay Shah Subject: RE: BIJU MATHEW raises his ugly head again To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Namaskar, My suggestion is that this article be replied to by individual and not by VHP or HSC as organizations. Please also note that the founder/CEO of Rediff (where the article most recently appeared) is a member of Communal Combat and also his ad. agency is vying for contract from Congress (I) for the election PR. Put in this perspective, we can expect this and similar articles to surface until the elections are over. -ajay === Please note that my e-mail address is : ajay@hindunet.org ---"Sharma, Nand K (Nand)" wrote: > > Shyamji: I appreciate your responding to Biju's nasty articles right > away. Could you please let me know where and when this article appeared > and where to send additional responses, if needed. > Sometimes, I wonder as to how much energies we should spend in replying > to such meaningless > messages. on the other hand, if such articles have a wide distribution, > it becomes necessary to send a meaningful response, not for correcting > Biju and his p-secular friends, but for the general public that is > reading such garbage messages. Will sending a response to rediff.com > ensure that the audience that read Biju's original article will see the > responses to it? Please help. Thanks. > > Nand Kishore _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From cbando@lynx.dac.neu.edu Fri Jan 9 14:43:52 1998 From: Chandan Bandopadhyay Message-Id: <199801091943.OAA30728@lynx.dac.neu.edu> Subject: Fwd: Secular (Interesting one) (fwd) To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:43:40 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org FYI: cb To: cbando@lynx.dac.neu.edu Subject: Fwd: Secular (Interesting one) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 09:50:40 EST From: Saurabh Asthana ------- Forwarded Message Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po8.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA05662; Fri, 9 Jan 98 09:03:20 EST Received: from BUZZWORD-BINGO.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA19646; Fri, 9 Jan 98 08:57:02 EST From: asur@MIT.EDU Received: by buzzword-bingo.MIT.EDU (8.8.5/4.7) id IAA29128; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:57:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801091357.IAA29128@buzzword-bingo.MIT.EDU> To: secular@MIT.EDU Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 08:57:01 EST Hi, I recd. the following from a friend in Montreal. Please let me know if the drafts meet with your approval and whether you would want any additions to them. After hearing from you, I shall forward the message to Secular publicity sec-dem-sa and foil. Ciao abha - ------- Forwarded Message Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po10.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA26370; Thu, 8 Jan 98 12:23:09 EST Received: from sirocco.CC.McGill.CA by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA17527; Thu, 8 Jan 98 12:22:21 EST Received: from mailhost.pharma.mcgill.ca (mailhost.Pharma.McGill.CA [132.206.218.7]) by sirocco.CC.McGill.CA (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA14678 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:22:18 -0500 X-Smtp-Posting-Origin: mailhos Jan 8, 1998 Dear Abha: Whatever it is worth, I think we should play some role against Hindutva and counter the support to it by a substantial section of NRIs. Notwithstanding other isues, as many as possible secular and progressive NRIs should develop a system to take timely action; I think we should discuss this in your own forum. As a first step we should be able to place ads in regional vernacular papers on behalf of at least a few groups; this should be done by the end of Januaray. As soon as it is okayed and approved we would take steps to get it translated and reached to papers in India. Frankly I feel the situation quite frightening; very likely there would a period of victory of revivalist communal forces before democratic forces learn a lesson and unite to create a democratic secular culture and politics. The following are two proposed texts for the Ad: 1. The people of India fought for the independence of their country on a secular and democratic platform and have successfully retained a government at the centre formally committed to secularism. We the nonresident Indians (NRIs) of the USA and Canada hope that they would ensure victory of the secular democratic forces in the forthcoming election so that India enters into the Twenty First Century as a modern democratic country. 2. The people of India fought for the independence of their country on a secular and democratic platform and have successfully retained a central government formally comitted to secularism. We the nonresident Indians (NRIs) of the USA and Canada hope that they would ensure the victory of secular democratic forces in the forthcoming elections and not be deceived by the backward forces of Hindutva, which threatens to destroy the very fabric of multinational, multicultural and multireligious culture and polity of India. Only a victory of secular and democratic forces can promise to lead India into the Twenty First Century as a modern democratic state ensuring communal harmony, progress and prosperity. Daya - ------- End of Forwarded Message ------- End of Forwarded Message _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From srtiwari@hotmail.com Sat Jan 10 01:23:07 1998 Message-ID: <19980110062236.20728.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [170.140.251.133] From: "shyam tiwari" To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: RE: BIJU MATHEW raises his ugly head again Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 22:22:32 PST X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Namste, This article appeared in www.rediff.com on January 4. Email address to respond to this is news@rediff.co.in Regards Shyam Tiwari >From ghen@www10.clever.net Fri Jan 9 06:48:11 1998 >Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) id JAA01909; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:47:41 -0500 (EST) >Message-ID: >From: "Sharma, Nand K (Nand)" >To: "'vhpgc-l@hindunet.org'" >Subject: RE: BIJU MATHEW raises his ugly head again >Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:46:59 -0500 >X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > >Shyamji: I appreciate your responding to Biju's nasty articles right >away. Could you please let me know where and when this article appeared >and where to send additional responses, if needed. >Sometimes, I wonder as to how much energies we should spend in replying >to such meaningless >messages. on the other hand, if such articles have a wide distribution, >it becomes necessary to send a meaningful response, not for correcting >Biju and his p-secular friends, but for the general public that is >reading such garbage messages. Will sending a response to rediff.com >ensure that the audience that read Biju's original article will see the >responses to it? Please help. Thanks. > >Nand Kishore > >>---------- >>From: shyam tiwari[SMTP:srtiwari@hotmail.com] >>Sent: Sunday, January 04, 1998 2:40 AM >>To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >>Subject: BIJU MATHEW raises his ugly head again >> >>Namaste! >> >>I am enclosing two articles by Biju Mathew published in 'communalism >>combat' and appeared in rediff.com. >> >>In god's name >> >>The Vishwa Hindu Parishad in America, the flagship organisation of >>Hindutva in North America, works silently in the shadows of >>multi-culturalism, rarely, if ever, emerging into public spotlight. >> >>The VHPA began operations in the US in 1970. It registered its first >>office in New York in 1974 as a cultural organisation with the goal of >>adding 'cultural enrichment' and 'awareness to American society', based >>on the time-tested 'eternal Hindu values'. It claims to have active >>'member families' in 40 states. >> >>The largely professional Indian immigrant wave that started in the 1960s >>continues to contribute to the VHPA's power. Even today, the most >>significant component of immigration to the US is from India. Products >>of elite and, more recently, semi-elite urban institutions, these >>immigrants are themselves students of Nehruvian modernism and thus >>relatively adept at interfacing with the dominant white society. >> >>However, the petit-bourgeois element (small businessmen, traders) that >>entered the immigration channels in the late 1970s was different not >>only in that it did not enjoy the same easy passage into Anglo-Saxon >>America and its corporate cultural, but also because of the nature of >>its profession, it remained far more ghettoised than the professional >>community. >> >>While the professional community was dispersed all over the USA, the >>small businessmen were often located at close quarters to each other in >>metropolitan areas or immediate suburbs. Their physical and cultural >>ghettoisation were the early basis for the VHPA's growth. >> >>The 1970s saw its slow growth with two more certified offices in >>Connecticut and Illinois. Between 1980 and 1990, the VHPA established 10 >>more offices. >> >>The early VHPA documents written in the 1980s show evidence indicative >>of the petit-bourgeois basis of its initial formation. The nature of the >>English used in some of these documents, for instance, indicate that >>these may have been produced by the non-elite small businessmen who had >>'disadvantages of language.' >> >>Apart from this extensive network of certified offices, the VHPA has its >>student wing -- the Hindu Students Council -- that functions in many >>ways as the most visible flagship organisation of Hindutva. >> >>The oldest HSC in North Eastern University dates back to 1987. By 1995 >>it had grown to have 45 chapters spread all across the US and Canada. >>The typical HSC is organised and run in most cases by a first generation >>immigrant graduate male student who has direct connection with the Sangh >>Parivar in India -- either a parent who is part of the RSS or BJP, or a >>family that has a historical link with one of these organisations or its >>earlier incarnations such as the Jan Sangh. However, in what is the >>growing trend, many new HSCs are now being organised and run by second >>generation Indian-Americans, either male or female, who has immediate >>family connections in VHPA. >> >>Each HSC is organised along strictly hierarchical lines with a president >>and general secretary at the local level who report directly to a >>regional coordinator. The regional co-ordinator, normally the president >>of the larger HSC chapter in an area, report to the National Council of >>Chapters that works from the HSC headquarters in Needham, Massachusetts. >>The insistence on hierarchy means the second generation students have to >>revert back to their 'superiors' for every decision. >> >>Though in nomenclatural terms these are two distinct organisations, it >>is far more correct to read the VHPA as the primary organisation which >>is run by an older generation of petit-bourgeois Indian men who give the >>ideological direction to the complex. The HSCs, with some ideologically >>committed members at the helm, work towards the presentation and >>propagation of the complex. >> >>In addition to these two main organisations, the VHPA operates through >>multiple other fronts. Some of these are constituted for a purpose and >>then allowed to fade away; others have a long-term functional utility. >>Such organisations include the Concerned Non-Resident Indians -- a group >>formed immediately after the Babri Masjid destruction for damage control >>exercise. >> >>Long-standing organisations include the Friends of the BJP which often >>plays host to the many visiting political figures from India. It is also >>active during other special occasions such as elections, and helps >>organise small town Mahila Samajs in conjunction with the local VHP >>chapter for 'dealing' with problems of women -- primarily, 'rearing >>children with traditional values.' >> >>With such an extensive organisation, one would expect the VHPA to be a >>far more public institution, at least within spaces that are marked by a >>preponderance of South Asians. This, however, is not true. >> >>Though it has a registered office in New York and a working office in >>Berlin, Connecticut, the VHPA does not figure in the telephone books of >>either city. But if one were to take the alternate route and investigate >>via the Net, one would find both the telephone numbers and addresses for >>VHPA in each city. However, these would lead us not to an office in the >>cultural or commercial districts of the town, but to a suburban mansion >>-- buried away and isolated. >> >>Even at the most obvious moments, the VHPA takes care to make itself as >>unnoticeable as possible. L McKean, one of the few scholars to study the >>VHPA in some depth, agrees. In 1993-94, the centenary year of >>Vivekananda's much-publicised address to the Parliament of World >>Religions in Chicago, the VHPA made a concerted effort to appropriate >>him as its patron saint. >> >>And yet, McKean says, "The VHPA was listed on the programme as a >>cosponsor and its delegation marched in the opening procession. However, >>the programme neither listed any sessions as sponsored by the VHP nor >>indicated that the Hindu Host Committee had members who are its >>supporters." >> >>The Net was however abuzz with Vivekananda. Alt. Hindu, recently >>converted to Soc.Religion.Hindu, a newsgroup started by one of the >>oldest and most dedicated HSC workers, selectively serialised >>Vivekananda from the beginning of 1993 till well after the centenary >>parliament. Soc.Culture.Indian, another newsgroup on which Hindutvavadis >>are a vocal presence, was a site for a three-month long barrage of >>continuous discussions on the relevance of Vivekananda to modern >>Hinduism. >> >>SCI also saw the emergence in the year preceding 1992, long and extended >>discussions on such topics as 'Why are Muslim men bad in bed?' and 'Are >>Muslims dirty?' -- questions that can be read in the context of a >>resurgent Hindu nationalism in India that revolved around notions of >>Hindu purity and its violation by Islam, and the central icon of the >>post 1980s wave of Hindu nationalism: Hindu manhood. >> >>In the months that followed December 6, 1992, Vivekananda was liberally >>mixed with discussions on 'Eating beef and sexuality,' 'Muslim rates of >>procreation' and 'Have we taught them a lesson?' (referring to the the >>VHP leaders's battlecry in India that they were out to teach 'Muslims a >>lesson.') These discussions continue to this day sporadically. >> >>Outside of the Net, the VHPA organised its World Vision 2000 conference >>of 1993. The razing of the Masjid itself elicited only a strong silence >>from it. However, many of its front organisations were active during >>this phase. >> >>On January 16, 1993, a group euphemistically called Concerned NRIs >>published an advertisement in the Indian Express in India claiming to >>represent '900,000 of the 1 million NRIs living in the US' who 'call >>Bharat their mother'. They called upon 'brothers and sisters in India' >>to pressurise the government to lift the ban that had been imposed on >>'nationalistic organisations' such as the VHP and RSS. >> >>Similarly, the World Vision 2000 event was publicised by the HSCs and >>other front organisations. There was nothing to indicate the VHPA >>connection except the sponsorship line in the announcements. >> >>Why does the VHPA operate from the shadows? >> >>Profile/Biju Mathew >> >>Why does the VHPA operate from the shadows? >> >>Why, we may ask, does an organisation like the VHPA prefer to remain in >>the shadows, especially in a time when the right fringe of the white >>society has gone more and more mainstream? Why does the VHPA prefer to >>operate on the Net? Why does it need a student organisation as its >>public face? And finally, how successful has it been in expanding base >>in the US? >> >>To answer these questions of visibility/invisibility (the electronic >>media as the medium of choice and student politics as mode of growth), >>one needs to look at the specifics of how the Indian immigrant class is >>positioned in the US. In other words, one needs to look precisely at the >>nexus of the politics of race, class and diaspora. >> >>If one were to follow a 'few discussion threads' on newsgroups such as >>AH, SCI or SRH, we would immediately realise that these networks provide >>a historical discourse on 'Hindu' cultural forms. We must note, at the >>outset, that the Indian English educated professional, especially those >>from elite/semi elite engineering, medical or business schools in India, >>are a fundamentally dispossessed lot. They often arrive with an >>extremely sketchy knowledge of the complexity of the social relations >>that constitute India today. >> >>Products of their own uniquely narrow family prejudices, they are thrown >>into residential institutions at an early age and remain 'protected' >>from the social world outside. Yet, they have been instructed by the >>Nehruvian dream that to be technically competent is to be part of >>building the nation. This package of narrow social consciousness and >>technical arrogance is what the US imports every year from India. >> >>However, arriving as they do from the IITs, RECs and IIMs, they have no >>basis for meeting either the alienation felt in entering a different >>cultural space nor the demand placed on them to produce their difference >>for the market. Further, the spatial dispersion of the diaporic >>community ensures that the Net is their only real mode of renegotiating >>this problems of identity, produced from both within and without. >> >>The VHPA responds to such a need. If one looks at the web pages of HSC >>and VHPA, it offers a series of cultural information packages, from a >>database of Hindu names to a collection of articles and nuggets which >>all answer the question 'Who is a Hindu?' from such ideologues as >>Golwalkar and Dattopant Thengadi and an English version of the Gita to >>selected writings of Vivekananda. >> >>Apart from such 'packaged' information, the 'open' discussions that >>ensure on the Net are equally instructive. They often unfold as a series >>of notes that work out the details of one small aspect of a larger >>issue. Rarely does a discussion stay focused on the larger issue that >>may have been the starting point of a 'thread.' For instance, an article >>that analysed caste politics in India would be very quickly subjected to >>a series of positivist tests on its 'truth claims' and also produce a >>series of peripherally connected discussions on topics as wide and >>varied as 'the origins of caste,' (most often explained through the >>Aryan-Dravidian race theory or a sketchy sociology of social division of >>labour), 'the Mandal Commission' (which would proceed through multiple >>stages of the 'end of merit' argument), or how Indians abroad should not >>talk about caste as it is divisive. >> >>Most, if not all, of these responses would be suffused with references >>to hypothesis, assumptions, axioms and logic. This mode of conversation >>in which a text is fragmented into a set of hypothesis, axioms, >>assumptions and 'facts', and only those aspects which are 'convenient' >>picked up for discussion and the rest abandoned, is discussed by Janki >>Nair (1994) in her essay Questions of a Historian Reading E-mail: >>'Popular challenges to questions of history, judging from just a sample >>of assertions on e-mail in the USA, are increasingly being mounted by >>Indian professionals of a science and technology background, who express >>open distrust for the methods of historians, and who are convinced they >>are better equipped by the positivist traditions of science to make >>decisive assertions about Indian history.' 'The new positivist knights >>rescuing history from its practitioners produce a version of history >>that bears curious resemblance to a balance sheet.' >> >>Not only is this mode to be understood as simply positivist, but it also >>deploys a particular discursive strategy of fragmenting texts that >>finally produces a historical picture and gives an inventory of isolated >>cultural packets that work successfully as symbolic capital -- the items >>in the 'balance sheet' that Nair points to is precisely that. >> >>Further, the question of bad history is elaborated by Nair: 'Such >>assertions wear a cloak of spurious scientifically flourishing >>'evidence' from discredited colonial sources or making extrapolations >>from thin bits of linguistic evidence. The recent claim that Hindu Kush >>means 'Hindu killer' and refers to a period of genocide of Hindus by >>Muslim invaders is a case in point.' >> >>While Nair suggests that 'discredited' or 'thin' evidence is used, the >>mastery of the Hindutva lobby must be understood in that it also >>constructs evidence. In the same article about the Hindu Kush mountains, >>references that the article 'used' were found to be non-existent on >>close scrutiny. >> >>Thus, the packaged 'knowledge', positivist and fragmentary history and >>outright incorrect history that the Hindutvavadi doles out on the Net >>gives to the immigrant both modes of dealing with his/her own alienation >>and the cultural capital they need to work within the market of >>multiculturalism. This mode of resolution to the problem of cultural >>authenticity is what I often call the marginal efficiency of the Net. >> >>Indian immigrants to the US, both the professional bourgeois and the >>petitbourgeois, arrive already sold to the Great White American Dream. >>Their relation to nationalism and questions of identity is therefore not >>just a product of the nationalist construction of India but also >>continuously mediated by their link to the American dream. >> >>From within such a configuration of social desire, the immigrant Indian >>is forced to accommodate his/her nationalism and identity in such a >>fashion that it always remains contained within the sphere of 'white' >>cultural hegemony. It is this contradiction that produces the discourse >>of model minority. >> >>We must here note that the model minority is as much a construction of >>the dominant white society as it is an understanding of the self that >>Asians deploy constantly. From within the landscape of race politics, >>the dominant white society, without doubt, seeks out the Asian as a >>model against the black who stands condemned by the 'success' of the >>recently-arrived immigrant. >> >>For the Asians, to be a model minority means not just to distance >>oneself from the black American, but, far more importantly, that he/she >>must integrate him/herself with the model 'white.' How successful would >>an organisation like the VHPA that speaks in the name of 'all' Hindus in >>a Christian land be at remaining 'unnamed?' No organisation that claims >>to be Hindu without paying attention to how this Hindu can be both >>distinct from the black American and be part of the white liberal >>structure of value can hope to work effectively. >> >>It, therefore, projects itself through the HSCs and electronic space >>where the individual can read back into different discourses of >>universalism -- professional or engineer or scientist -- as marked so >>often in the electronic spaces by headers (att.com; intel.com; >>columbia.edu) or footers (elaborate plan files which often include >>quotes from some 'great' thinker on questions of truth and falsity) or >>by the general structure of his/her argumentation (the >>scientific/positivist structure). >> >>The HSCs are organisations uniquely suited to the task of ex-nomination >>by virtue of its capacity to integrate itself into the liberal ideology >>of multi-culturalism. The liberal academy in the US is the stronghold of >>multi-culturalism. It is into this liberal universalism of >>multi-culturalism that Hindutva vanishes in the liberal academy. It is >>important to note here that HSCs and Hindutva have flourished most >>notably in the most liberal of universities in the US. >> >>Their primary sites of growth in the early 1990s were not the hundreds >>of universities that dot the American landscape and cater to middle >>America, but the ivy league institutions and other super-elite ones such >>as the Harvard, MIT, Columbia, Tufts, Boston University, Carnegie-Mellon >>and Princeton. It is only after this initial burst wherein it >>established itself in nearly all of the elite eastern seaboard >>institutions that it spread. >> >>On numerous occasions the HSCs have made full use of multi-culturalism >>to draw in a diverse body of people and thus legitimise itself. On >>nearly every campus, the HSCs begin their activities with a 'ethnic food >>festival' or a popular film screening. These events draw in an audience >>and the HSCs emerge legitimised by such interactions. Simultaneously, >>Gita reading sessions are also planned which initiate the uninitiated >>and remain an 'event of learning' within the framework of >>multi-culturalism to its advantage. >> >>The services offered include a pre-prepared 'Statement of Objectives' or >>'Constitution' from the National Council of Chapters, advice on how to >>choose a faculty adviser, warnings on how not to sign any modifications >>to the Constitution unless cleared by the NCC and modes of circumventing >>the minimum number of signatories required clause on the grounds of >>being a minority. >> >>The awareness that this document exhibits of multi-culturalism's >>definitions within liberal academy is illuminating. The HSC's Mission >>statement has multi-culturalism framed as one of its central principles. >> >>And so the saffron stays in the shadow and the VHPA melts away into the >>inaccessibility of the suburb. The HSC arrives in public, not with its >>ideological label written across its forehead like a caste sign, but >>more appropriately painted in the shades of multi-culturism. >> >>The VHPA, we can be sure, will stay in the shadow universalism into >>which it can fade. On the margins, one can see efforts to find such >>universalism. The most recent effort is to produce the Hindu as the most >>oppressed community in humanity's history. Stories of the holocaust have >>been steadily constructed, including the one that Nair mentions of the >>Hindu Kush mountains. >> >>During 1996, the HSCs sponsored a long Net discussion on the number of >>Hindus killed in the 1971 war that created a separate Bangladesh, >>quoting in the process everything from US intelligence reports to RSS >>literature and producing figures of dead Hindus as high as eight >>million. >> >>Around the same time, there was a proposal voiced in private circles to >>begin lobbying for a space in the Holocaust museum in DC or, if not >>that, a similar space in the national capital. Maybe the campaign will >>fall by the wayside, but we can be sure the effort will be continued. >> >>By arrangement with Communalism Combat >> >> >>______________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >> >>_____________________________ >>For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >>Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >> >> >> >> >> > >_____________________________ >For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From MJMEHTA@aol.com Sat Jan 10 06:36:02 1998 From: MJMEHTA Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 06:35:54 EST To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: BIJU MATHEW raises his ugly head again Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Dear Ajay: Thanks for the insight. Mahesh _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From cbando@mail1.dac.neu.edu Mon Jan 12 16:41:00 1998 From: Chandan Bandopadhyay Message-Id: <199801122140.QAA02362@lynx.dac.neu.edu> Subject: [Fwd: RSS Secret Circular.] (fwd) To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:40:54 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org As BJP approaching to govern India... From: Sid Harth Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.marathi,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.delhi,soc.culture.indian.gujarati,soc.culture.indian.karnataka,soc.culture.indian.kerala,soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.bengali,soc.culture.punjab,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture .bangladesh Subject: RSS Secret Circular. Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 07:52:30 -0500 Organization: Newlife Enterprises Message-ID: <34B4CC0E.9A074D3F@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 153.37.223.214 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; U) Path: news.abraxis.com!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!206.250.118.17!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet Xref: news.abraxis.com soc.culture.indian.marathi:25754 soc.culture.indian:404184 soc.culture.indian.delhi:19985 soc.culture.indian.gujarati:3791 soc.culture.indian.karnataka:5442 soc.culture.indian.kerala:26271 soc.culture.tamil:89589 soc.culture.bengali :49531 soc.culture.punjab:55302 soc.culture.pakistan:210735 soc.culture.bangladesh:78225 Hindu, Brahmin mafia, RSS is an organization founded by crazy Brahmins from Maharashtra, headed by one Baliram Keshav Hedgevar at Wardha, India some 75 years ago. This organization, since its inception worked under darkness, mafia style. Being a cabal of crazy Brahmins, a minority representing about three percent of Indian population, it did not need to be set up at all. For three thousand five hundred years the crazy Brahmins ruled the roost, no matter who, actually, governed. These crazy Brahmins have a secret language, customs, rituals, mannerisms, manners, mores and a brand of morality unique to them. They claim an unbroken lineage to the original invading Aryan tribes who came somewhere from central Asia, destroyed, demolished the native, real Indians and their ancient superior culture. The remnant native Indians were slowly and painfully absorbed into Aryan Brahminism as slaves to the Aryan society. As the local native Indian population was already fractured into genetically, regionally and linguistically divergent, self sufficient small societies, Aryan domineering posture was never challenged. Brahmins, originally one hundred percent Aryans, doled out their prestige and position to the priests, therefore, higher classes of the native Indians. The conditioning factor was that the native priests accept the so called scriptures of the Aryans, recognize the Aryan religious thought and give it a precedence over the native theology, learn and accept Sanskrit language as the only language for higher learning and a language meant for internal, Brahmin communication, religious or secular. The 'creme de la creme' of the native cultures gladly accepted these innocuous terms and were accepted as equal partners in the Brahmin religious mega machine. Initially, Aryans worshipped few gods in symbols only. The fresh influx of non Aryans into the Brahminism was like monsoon rain. Hundreds and thousands of native gods sprouted like weeds. Aryan, therefore, pure Brahminism, though altered totally, never looked back on the simplicity of purpose in their religion. The new blood created a whole new, almost alien, religion a centerpiece of Brahminism. The ritualistic fire worshiping Brahmins became lord and masters of ever increasing temple building and idol worshipping crowd. The close ties developed between these two groups transcended the racial boundaries that existed between the invading Aryans and the native Indians. They were partners in a gigantic scheme to defraud the ignorant masses, sort of partners in a mafia family, each having a clear territory and an undisputed jurisdiction over their respective realm, as long as they paid into a common kitty, pay obeisance to the Aryan Brahmins at Kashi and push more and more Brahmin generated products and services in gullible throats. This mafia set up slackened, as more and more Brahmins turned away from their religious duties and changed their inherited priestly profession. Hedgevar wanted to stop this heavy hemorrhage to the initial Brahmin mafia. He brought an element of mercenary spirit into it. Created a militia of thousands of vulnerable, lackluster, Brahmin youth. Trained them in the basic martial arts, brain washed them and released them on the discontented Indian society which was organizing a movement for Indian independence. The timing was perfect, the idea became a philosophy and sooner than one can say the word Hinduttva, a fighting force of young dedicated Brahmins acquired a reputation as the defenders of Hinduism against all that was foreign, British rule, Christianity and Islam, English and Farsi dominated Urdu, Western philosophies, goods, books and manners. The anti British fervor of the day did help getting this fledgling Brahmin rag tag army of volunteers into the minds and hearts of the lackluster Indian society. Later, as the success built on previous success, the new Brahmin mafia started dropping its benevolent mien and started assuming the role of a dictator, like Hitler, to manifest its own ideas as the only ideas to solve any and all social and religious problems of the Indians. The first blow came from RSS in the form of the assassination of Mahatma Gandhi. The crime was so perfect that not a single mafia functionary lost their prestige and position amongst the populace. Later, due to the popular demand from the veteran RSS underlings, RSS dropped its original cuddly appearance and entered into politics thru a bastard progeny, Jana Sangh. More and more bastard babies started popping up form the fecund fundamentalist mafia ascetics. Still controlled by just one individual, sar sanghchalak, these brat bastard boys go around fouling the Indian social, religious and political systems. Very rarely, one gets a brief glimpse at the inner workings of the mafia. Here is a good example as to how they operate. http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/2104/rss.htm Sid Harth..."There is no secret that RSS bunch is a cancer to Indians." http://members.tripod.com/~bakula/index.html _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajayshah@rocketmail.com Mon Jan 12 18:57:04 1998 Message-ID: <19980112234943.682.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:49:43 -0800 (PST) From: Ajay Shah Subject: Re: [Fwd: RSS Secret Circular.] (fwd) To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This website is published by an active Christian ministry who is involved in Bharat in the conversion of Hindus. He has a lot of of anti-Hindu material on the site. There are some outrageous but interesting :-( claims, including the claim that the first evidence of written sanskrit was in second century AD, so all the Sanskrit literature is written and not God inspired, like the Christian literature. regards ajay === Please note that my e-mail address is : ajay@hindunet.org ---Chandan Bandopadhyay wrote: > > As BJP approaching to govern India... > > > From: Sid Harth > Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian.marathi,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.delhi,soc.culture.indian.gujarati,soc.culture.indian.karnataka,soc.culture.indian.kerala,soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.bengali,soc.culture.punjab,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture > .bangladesh > Subject: RSS Secret Circular. > Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 07:52:30 -0500 > Organization: Newlife Enterprises > Message-ID: <34B4CC0E.9A074D3F@earthlink.net> > NNTP-Posting-Host: 153.37.223.214 > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; U) > Path: news.abraxis.com!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!206.250.118.17!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet > Xref: news.abraxis.com soc.culture.indian.marathi:25754 soc.culture.indian:404184 soc.culture.indian.delhi:19985 soc.culture.indian.gujarati:3791 soc.culture.indian.karnataka:5442 soc.culture.indian.kerala:26271 soc.culture.tamil:89589 soc.culture.bengali > :49531 soc.culture.punjab:55302 soc.culture.pakistan:210735 soc.culture.bangladesh:78225 > > Hindu, Brahmin mafia, RSS is an organization founded by crazy Brahmins > from Maharashtra, headed by one Baliram Keshav Hedgevar at Wardha, India > some 75 years ago. This organization, since its inception worked under > darkness, mafia style. Being a cabal of crazy Brahmins, a minority > representing about three percent of Indian population, it did not need > to be set up at all. For three thousand five hundred years the crazy > Brahmins ruled the roost, no matter who, actually, governed. > > These crazy Brahmins have a secret language, customs, rituals, > mannerisms, manners, mores and a brand of morality unique to them. They > claim an unbroken lineage to the original invading Aryan tribes who came > somewhere from central Asia, destroyed, demolished the native, real > Indians and their ancient superior culture. The remnant native Indians > were slowly and painfully absorbed into Aryan Brahminism as slaves to > the Aryan society. > > As the local native Indian population was already fractured into > genetically, regionally and linguistically divergent, self sufficient > small societies, Aryan domineering posture was never challenged. > Brahmins, originally one hundred percent Aryans, doled out their > prestige and position to the priests, therefore, higher classes of the > native Indians. The conditioning factor was that the native priests > accept the so called scriptures of the Aryans, recognize the Aryan > religious thought and give it a precedence over the native theology, > learn and accept Sanskrit language as the only language for higher > learning and a language meant for internal, Brahmin communication, > religious or secular. > > The 'creme de la creme' of the native cultures gladly accepted these > innocuous terms and were accepted as equal partners in the Brahmin > religious mega machine. Initially, Aryans worshipped few gods in symbols > only. The fresh influx of non Aryans into the Brahminism was like > monsoon rain. Hundreds and thousands of native gods sprouted like weeds. > > Aryan, therefore, pure Brahminism, though altered totally, never looked > back on the simplicity of purpose in their religion. The new blood > created a whole new, almost alien, religion a centerpiece of Brahminism. > The ritualistic fire worshiping Brahmins became lord and masters of ever > increasing temple building and idol worshipping crowd. > > The close ties developed between these two groups transcended the > racial boundaries that existed between the invading Aryans and the > native Indians. They were partners in a gigantic scheme to defraud the > ignorant masses, sort of partners in a mafia family, each having a clear > territory and an undisputed jurisdiction over their respective realm, as > long as they paid into a common kitty, pay obeisance to the Aryan > Brahmins at Kashi and push more and more Brahmin generated products and > services in gullible throats. > > This mafia set up slackened, as more and more Brahmins turned away from > their religious duties and changed their inherited priestly profession. > Hedgevar wanted to stop this heavy hemorrhage to the initial Brahmin > mafia. He brought an element of mercenary spirit into it. Created a > militia of thousands of vulnerable, lackluster, Brahmin youth. Trained > them in the basic martial arts, brain washed them and released them on > the discontented Indian society which was organizing a movement for > Indian independence. > > The timing was perfect, the idea became a philosophy and sooner than > one can say the word Hinduttva, a fighting force of young dedicated > Brahmins acquired a reputation as the defenders of Hinduism against all > that was foreign, British rule, Christianity and Islam, English and > Farsi dominated Urdu, Western philosophies, goods, books and manners. > The anti British fervor of the day did help getting this fledgling > Brahmin rag tag army of volunteers into the minds and hearts of the > lackluster Indian society. > > Later, as the success built on previous success, the new Brahmin mafia > started dropping its benevolent mien and started assuming the role of a > dictator, like Hitler, to manifest its own ideas as the only ideas to > solve any and all social and religious problems of the Indians. > > The first blow came from RSS in the form of the assassination of > Mahatma Gandhi. The crime was so perfect that not a single mafia > functionary lost their prestige and position amongst the populace. > Later, due to the popular demand from the veteran RSS underlings, RSS > dropped its original cuddly appearance and entered into politics thru a > bastard progeny, Jana Sangh. > > More and more bastard babies started popping up form the fecund > fundamentalist mafia ascetics. Still controlled by just one individual, > sar sanghchalak, these brat bastard boys go around fouling the Indian > social, religious and political systems. Very rarely, one gets a brief > glimpse at the inner workings of the mafia. Here is a good example as to > how they operate. > > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/2104/rss.htm > > Sid Harth..."There is no secret that RSS bunch is a cancer to Indians." > > http://members.tripod.com/~bakula/index.html > > > _____________________________ > For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Birjoo@aol.com Mon Jan 12 23:01:14 1998 From: Birjoo@aol.com Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 23:00:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <980112230033_-1434967276@mrin51.mx> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Re: [Fwd: RSS Secret Circular.] (fwd) X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 please take me off this mailing list. birjoo _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From mihir@eyepiece.com Thu Jan 15 16:09:03 1998 Message-Id: <199801152109.QAA07332@www10.clever.net> From: "Mihir Meghani" To: "VHP GC List" Subject: Fw: Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:57:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 X-MimeOle: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org -----Original Message----- From: Mihir Meghani To: Rediff Cc: Mihir Meghani Date: Thursday, January 15, 1998 2:08 PM >Dear Rediff, >Namaste. >Ii am writing to voice my displeasure of an article published recently >entitled, "In God's Name" by Biju Mathew. That same article appeared in >Communalism Combat, a communist newspaper that has separated terrorist >movements in India. Mr. Mathew is a well known bigot and has publicly >voiced his hatred of Hindu religion and culture. Because of this, most >Christians even avoid him. > >I have always thought that Rediff had well thought out articles by respected >journalists and leaders. Biju Mathew is neither respected nor a leader, and >his material lacks tolerance, facts, or balance. Rediff and its readers are >not served by having his material on your web site. > >----- >Mihir Meghani, M.D. >email: mihir@hindunet.org >addr: PO Box 250304, West Bloomfield, MI 48325-0304 USA >fax: 248.442.7204 > > > > _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From VICHARAK@aol.com Fri Jan 16 00:33:44 1998 From: VICHARAK Message-ID: <6c6009c7.34bef032@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 00:29:19 EST To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Fw: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 1/16/1998 Dear Mihir: Very good job. Short and yet powerful reply. Keep it up. Brotherly, Gaurang _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From VICHARAK@aol.com Fri Jan 16 00:57:32 1998 From: VICHARAK Message-ID: <271a6a4f.34bef692@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 00:56:32 EST To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org, vhpseva@hotmail.com Subject: Going on vacation.. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 September 16, 1998 Dear Colleagues: Namaste from Gaurang. I am leaving for Bharat on Monday Jannuary 19th. I will return on February 8th and should be fully functional by 2/16th. Shree Abhaya Asthana will take care of all the organizational business in my absence. He can be reached at 9617) 876-2162 or email at . My tel. # in Bharat is: (079) 6563901 9c/o Maheshkant Vasavada, Karnavati) I hope you all have received Minutes of the GC meeting as well as responsibilty assignment chart form Abhayabhai. Please start putting your shoulder to the wheel. Brotherly yours, Gaurang G. Vaishnav _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From MJMEHTA@aol.com Fri Jan 16 05:17:12 1998 From: MJMEHTA Message-ID: <12bcaa9a.34bf339a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 05:16:55 EST To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Going on vacation.. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Dear gaurangbhai: Have a great trip to India.I do not understand you telephone number. What is 9c/o ? Thanks Mahesh _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From MUKERJS@sterlingdi.com Fri Jan 16 08:39:18 1998 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:36:00 -0500 From: Sushim Mukerji To: VICHARAK@aol.com, vhpgc-l@hindunet.org, vhpseva@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Going on vacation.. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gaurangbhai, you must be thinking about the next GC Meeting all the time, otherwise why would you date your letter ( Ref. Vacation) September 16,1998. Gaurangbhai, let the GC members relax awhile. We just finished one GC meeting. We cannot keep up with you. Enjoy your vacation in karnavati. Wish you the best. Sushim. >>> VICHARAK 01/16 12:56 AM >>> September 16, 1998 Dear Colleagues: Namaste from Gaurang. I am leaving for Bharat on Monday Jannuary 19th. I will return on February 8th and should be fully functional by 2/16th. Shree Abhaya Asthana will take care of all the organizational business in my absence. He can be reached at 9617) 876-2162 or email at . My tel. # in Bharat is: (079) 6563901 9c/o Maheshkant Vasavada, Karnavati) I hope you all have received Minutes of the GC meeting as well as responsibilty assignment chart form Abhayabhai. Please start putting your shoulder to the wheel. Brotherly yours, Gaurang G. Vaishnav _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From pandyahc@juno.com Fri Jan 16 13:59:00 1998 To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:51:39 -0500 Subject: Re: Going on vacation.. Message-ID: <19980116.135142.3214.0.pandyahc@juno.com> References: <271a6a4f.34bef692@aol.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,6-43 From: pandyahc@juno.com (Harish C Pandya) X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Gaurang Ji. Jai Sri Ram. You are going to Bharat at avery good time. This year is the last Kumbh of this century at Haridwar. It started on January 14 and will continue till April 30, 1998. Good days to take holy dip in Ganga Mata are on Jan. 14, 28, Feb. 1, 11, 26, March 12, April 11, 28/1998. Make best use of visit to Bharat. I am planing to go in March. Have safe and nice trip. Harish Pandya On Fri, 16 Jan 1998 00:56:32 EST VICHARAK writes: >September 16, 1998 > >Dear Colleagues: > >Namaste from Gaurang. I am leaving for Bharat on Monday Jannuary 19th. >I will >return on February 8th and should be fully functional by 2/16th. >Shree Abhaya >Asthana will take care of all the organizational business in my >absence. He >can be reached at 9617) 876-2162 or email at . My >tel. # in >Bharat is: (079) 6563901 9c/o Maheshkant Vasavada, Karnavati) > >I hope you all have received Minutes of the GC meeting as well as >responsibilty assignment chart form Abhayabhai. Please start putting >your >shoulder to the wheel. > >Brotherly yours, > >Gaurang G. Vaishnav > >_____________________________ >For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: >owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >Comments and questions are welcome, use: >owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > > _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Jitendra_Goel@qmail4.nba.TRW.COM Fri Jan 16 17:43:55 1998 Message-ID: Date: 16 Jan 1998 14:41:19 -0700 From: "Jitendra Goel" Subject: Re: Going on vacation.. To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.3d2 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 RE>Going on vacation.. 1/16/98 Gaurang Bhai, You picked just the right time to go on vacation to Bharat. Due to Kumbh it is the best time one could pick. My wife may go there also to take a dip in Ganga Mata. I will ask her to take a dip for me also. I have not heard from the head office about Ritambra Ji's trip. I am assuming that she is busy with the elections. It looks like that we will have to postpone our plans for the time being. Have a nice and safe journey. Please convey my regards to all the workers in Bharat. Jitendra -------------------------------------- Date: 1/15/98 10:05 PM To: Jitendra Goel From: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org September 16, 1998 Dear Colleagues: Namaste from Gaurang. I am leaving for Bharat on Monday Jannuary 19th. I will return on February 8th and should be fully functional by 2/16th. Shree Abhaya Asthana will take care of all the organizational business in my absence. He can be reached at 9617) 876-2162 or email at . My tel. # in Bharat is: (079) 6563901 9c/o Maheshkant Vasavada, Karnavati) I hope you all have received Minutes of the GC meeting as well as responsibilty assignment chart form Abhayabhai. Please start putting your shoulder to the wheel. Brotherly yours, Gaurang G. Vaishnav _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by qmail4.sp.trw.com with ADMIN;15 Jan 1998 22:05:07 -0700 Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) id AAA23466; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 00:57:37 -0500 (EST) From: VICHARAK Message-ID: <271a6a4f.34bef692@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 00:56:32 EST To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org, vhpseva@hotmail.com Subject: Going on vacation.. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Jitendra_Goel@qmail4.nba.TRW.COM Fri Jan 16 17:54:12 1998 Message-ID: Date: 16 Jan 1998 14:49:12 -0700 From: "Jitendra Goel" Subject: Re: Going on vacation.. To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.3d2 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 RE>>Going on vacation.. 1/16/98 -------------------------------------- Date: 1/16/98 2:49 PM To: Jitendra Goel From: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Gaurang Bhai, You picked just the right time to go on vacation to Bharat. Due to Kumbh it is the best time one could pick. My wife may go there also to take a dip in Ganga Mata. I will ask her to take a dip for me also. I have not heard from the head office about Ritambra Ji's trip. I am assuming that she is busy with the elections. It looks like that we will have to postpone our plans for the time being. Have a nice and safe journey. Please convey my regards to all the workers in Bharat. Jitendra -------------------------------------- Date: 1/15/98 10:05 PM To: Jitendra Goel From: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org September 16, 1998 Dear Colleagues: Namaste from Gaurang. I am leaving for Bharat on Monday Jannuary 19th. I will return on February 8th and should be fully functional by 2/16th. Shree Abhaya Asthana will take care of all the organizational business in my absence. He can be reached at 9617) 876-2162 or email at . My tel. # in Bharat is: (079) 6563901 9c/o Maheshkant Vasavada, Karnavati) I hope you all have received Minutes of the GC meeting as well as responsibilty assignment chart form Abhayabhai. Please start putting your shoulder to the wheel. Brotherly yours, Gaurang G. Vaishnav _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by qmail4.sp.trw.com with ADMIN;15 Jan 1998 22:05:07 -0700 Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) id AAA23466; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 00:57:37 -0500 (EST) From: VICHARAK Message-ID: <271a6a4f.34bef692@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 00:56:32 EST To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org, vhpseva@hotmail.com Subject: Going on vacation.. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by qmail4.sp.trw.com with ADMIN;16 Jan 1998 14:48:26 -0700 Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) id RAA17274; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 17:43:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: 16 Jan 1998 14:41:19 -0700 From: "Jitendra Goel" Subject: Re: Going on vacation.. To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.3d2 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Babu.Gandhi@trw.com Fri Jan 16 18:39:49 1998 Message-ID: Date: 16 Jan 1998 15:31:52 -0700 From: "Babu Gandhi" Subject: Re: Going on vacation.. To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; Name="Message Body" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Message Body" X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org 1/16/98 3:10 PM RE>Going on vacation.. Gaurangbhai Best wishes for Bharat and your yatra to Bharat. Please convey my pranam to all pariwar members. Regards. Babubhai Gandhi ------------------------------ Date: 1/15/98 10:06 PM To: Gandhi, Babu From: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org September 16, 1998 Dear Colleagues: Namaste from Gaurang. I am leaving for Bharat on Monday Jannuary 19th. I = will return on February 8th and should be fully functional by 2/16th. Shree = Abhaya Asthana will take care of all the organizational business in my absence. = He can be reached at 9617) 876-2162 or email at . My tel. = # in Bharat is: (079) 6563901 9c/o Maheshkant Vasavada, Karnavati) I hope you all have received Minutes of the GC meeting as well as responsibilty assignment chart form Abhayabhai. Please start putting = your shoulder to the wheel. Brotherly yours, Gaurang G. Vaishnav _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: = owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by qmgate.trw.com with ADMIN;15 Jan 1998 21:46:06 -0800 Received: from www10.clever.net by mailhub1.trw.com; Thu, 15 Jan 98 = 22:01:38 -0800 Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) id = AAA23463; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 00:57:36 -0500 (EST) From: VICHARAK Message-ID: <271a6a4f.34bef692@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 00:56:32 EST To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org, vhpseva@hotmail.com Subject: Going on vacation.. Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From YLakra@aol.com Sat Jan 24 20:53:11 1998 From: YLakra Message-ID: <7b0dd8cd.34ca9a9c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 20:51:22 EST To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Cc: YLakra@aol.com Subject: Message from the president Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Dear governing council members, namaste from Yash Pal. Since the last governing council meeting I have been thinking of communicating with all of you. As a matter of fact I sent an e-mail immediately after the annual GC meeting. But unfortunately, I used the wrong e-mail address and you did not get the mail. Now I think I have the correct address, I am hopeful that you will get this message. If I am successful in this endeavour, you should hear from me more frequently. For many of you who have the computer savvy, this may not be a very difficult task. But for me who had never learnt to type and still type very slowly and learnt to use any key board not too long ago, it is a very remarkable achievement, if I say so myself. Any way, belated greetings for the year 1998. As all of you who attended the GC meeting know, the theme and the main focus of our activities at the local levels was fixed to be the youth related activities. We want each and every chapter to celebrate Hindu heritage day and theme should be the youth activities, specially the Hindu Students Council. The chapters should collaborate with the local coordinators of the Hindu Students Council to arrange the Hindu heritage day. All the chapters which have firm or preliminary plans should communicate with me as well as our central office in Houston. We should also increase the level and frequency of communication between the chapters and the so called center, it could be any member of the Executive Board or the cetral office in Houston. If you are planning any function or festival and you need some body from the EB to visit, please make the plans in advance so that I or the other members of the EB could visit you. Even if there are no special programs, I will like to make "get to know you'" sort of visit. So invite me. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From YLakra@aol.com Sat Jan 24 20:55:34 1998 From: YLakra Message-ID: <42f413cc.34ca9a9e@aol.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 20:51:24 EST To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Cc: YLakra@aol.com Subject: letter fromthe president2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Dear members, I was composing my letter to all of you and the letter was not complete yet. I, by mistake pushed some key which I should'nt have pushed and the computer told me that the letter has been saved to send it later. I know how to send it later, but I wante to finish the letter properly with proper closing greetings etc. Once again, I hope you will get this email and all of you will respond. It will encourage me greatly to use this very efficient and fast means of communication. With best regards, Yash Pal Lakra, President, VHP of America. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From MJMEHTA@aol.com Sun Jan 25 19:38:41 1998 From: MJMEHTA Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 19:38:33 EST To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: letter fromthe president2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Dear Yaspalji: Welcome to the world of e-mail. We feel delighted to hear from you on this medium. Hope to hear from you more often. Regards Mahesh Mehta _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From MJMEHTA@aol.com Sun Jan 25 19:41:12 1998 From: MJMEHTA Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 19:41:03 EST To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Message from the president Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Dear Yashpalji: I am working on the Dharma Sansad concept development. I shall communicate to you shortly. Regards Mahesh Mehta _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From AAgarwala@aol.com Sun Jan 25 23:14:33 1998 From: AAgarwala Message-ID: <4d3a05f0.34cc0cbe@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 23:10:36 EST To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: letter fromthe president2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Dear Yashpalji: Namaskar It is good to hear from you over email. I am also trying to make more use of this media. As they say " Practice makes perfect " -- so we will also get better using it more. Best Regards Anand Agarwala _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From kanchan_banerjee@npcfreight.com Wed Jan 28 18:33:20 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980128182818.006b0764@208.197.9.151> X-Sender: kanchan_banerjee@208.197.9.151 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:28:19 -0500 To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From: "Kanchan Banerjee" Subject: Long (15 pages) Debate on HSC on Calcutta Online Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====================_886048099==_" X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --=====================_886048099==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" --=====================_886048099==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here are some letters those were sent to the Calcutta Online News Magazine.= First it started with the posting of HSC's press release of Houston= conference. Then , for last 3 weeks many people responded. These are compilation of all the letters. There are lot of things we can= learn from these!!!!! Kanchan JAN 10 Calcutta Online - News Paper Sat Jan 10 1998, Vol II, 270 issue=20 The first web based daily from Calcutta, India. Published at 11:00 pm IST=20 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Young Hindus celebrate holiday season with salute to India HOUSTON, TEXAS - Sleeping in late was the last thing on the minds of many= Hindu-American young=20 people this holiday season. Instead, they spent December 26 to 28th learning= the spiritual meanings of=20 Indian classical arts, attending seminars on Hindu issues and discussing= preservation of Hinduism in=20 America at 7th Annual Hindu Students Council (HSC) national conference in= Houston, Texas. Named=20 YUVA '97 (festival of youth), the conference commemorated the 50th= Anniversary of India's=20 Independence. "We saluted India's Independence because India is the= motherland of ancient Hindu thought=20 and birthplace or home to many of our rishis," said Anand Parekh, National= Media Coordinator for HSC=20 and M.D.-M.P.H student.=20 HSC, a student-founded and led organization, educates young Hindus, (most of= whom grew up in the=20 United States) about their religion and culture."The goals of HSC are to= provide an international forum to=20 raise awareness of Hindu culture and heritage as well as to provide a forum= to discuss issues that affect=20 Hindus. For many, HSC provides the support of reconciling two cultures and= gaining support of=20 misconceptions of India projected onto Indo-Americans. "When I was 12 years= old, American kids would=20 gang up on me at the bus stop, yelling, "Gandhi dot" and ask "Why do people= in India worship cows and=20 drink cow urine?" said Falguni Trivedi, freshman from Houston, Texas.= According to "Searching for our=20 Hindu Roots" in HINDUISM TODAY, October 1997. "It's pretty tough for young= Hindus stuck between=20 two cultures. At HSC, I can be with others, get support, learn to understand= and teach my culture, so that=20 when we face these things, we don't have to feel condemned." The YUVA '97 conference provided many seminars, discussions and activities= to address these issues.=20 These sessions included "East vs. West" (which focused on differences= between Hindu and Christian=20 religions), "Media Concepts of India," "Women=C6s Quest for Equality,"= "Science and Spirituality,"=20 "Integral Humanism" and "Nutrition and Stress." Rishi Goswami, a pre-med sophomore from UT-Austin said that he learned a new= perspective of ancient=20 Hindu legends of gods and goddesses. "As children, we are amazed by the awe= and wonder of these tales,=20 but in the conference, I learned that there is a bigger picture to these= stories. The stories actually have=20 moral and spiritual lessons." Goswami, a son of a priest, also spoke in the "East vs. West" seminar about= his views of Hinduism while=20 growing up in America. He said that he came to the conference to get others'= views on Hinduism and=20 incorporate this with his search for spiritualism. The keynote speaker for the conference was Dr. Ved P. Nanda, Director of the= International Legal Studies=20 program at the University of Denver, Colorado. He discussed India's global= role in the next millennium.=20 The Consulate General of India, Swashpavan Singh also spoke at the= conference.=20 Interactive demonstrations marked another event in the at YUVA '97. Here,= HSC members with talent in=20 playing tabla, dancing BharatNatyam and singing ragas explained the meaning= and history of their art after=20 their performances. Additional guest speakers included Dr. Dilip Vedalankar,= of the Arya Samaj of Greater=20 Houston, who discussed practical dharma; Dr. Kalpalatha Guntapalli,= Professor of Medicine at Baylor=20 College of Medicine and president-elect of the American Association of= Physicians of Indian Origin, who=20 spoke about Women's Equality; Dr. Jayaram Guntupalli, Associate Professor of= Medicine at the University=20 of Texas Medical School, who spoke about nutrition and stress; Dr. Nik= Nikham, a Houston cardiologist,=20 who spoke about the effect of attitude upon one's success; Devika Koppikar,= a public relations specialist=20 who spoke about her experience in a Christian Church and Amit Mishra, a= Houston attorney, who spoke=20 about the preservation of Hindu culture among Indian- Americans.=20 "If we are to preserve our culture, we must stress the spiritual aspects of= it rather than its more superficial=20 social aspects," Mishra said in his speech. Pramod Sanghi, an HSC member= from Michigan, who heard=20 Mishra speak said, "Mishra's points were both bold and honest. They= demonstrated his knowledge of=20 psycho-social issues which are faced by my generation of Hindu-Americans."= Local Hindu families were=20 invited to join the youth in a dinner-program featuring a slide show= focusing on freedom fighters and=20 garba/raas on Saturday evening. Fifty HSC chapters exist in North America. In Texas, the active chapters= include the ones at Texas A&M at=20 College Station; Texas A&M in Kingsville, University of Texas at Arlington,= University of Houston and=20 the University of Texas at Austin. The national organization was founded in= 1990 in New Jersey. HSC=20 campus chapters meet weekly for activities such as discussions, community= service activities and religious=20 celebrations. Two national events occur yearly, a summer camp during the= July 4th weekend and a national=20 conference, such as the recent Houston festival, in late December or early= January. Participants of this=20 year's national conference included not only undergraduates, but also= graduate students, young=20 professionals and high school students. "(The generation range) was good= because we want to promote the=20 goals of HSC beyond the four years of college," Parekh said. "Learning and= practicing Hinduism is a life=20 long process." Sandeep Gupta, regional coordinator for HSC's Texas chapters,= added that the conference=20 gave the group an excellent opportunity to build their regional team.= Together, the team plans for similar,=20 but smaller regional programs within the next year. "The conference was a= great success because of the=20 tremendous amount of support given to us by the Hindu community," said= Gupta, a Houston-based=20 software engineer and a graduate of Rice and MIT. The annual camp and= conference for 1998 are in the=20 planning stages. For more information on the Hindu Students Council, contact= the national office at (617)=20 698-1106 or visit the website at www.hindunet.org. E-mail is= hsc@hindunet.org. The address is P.O. Box=20 9185, Boston, MA, USA 02114. Prepared by Devika Koppikar and sent by Sushim= Mukerji=20 JAN 16 Calcutta Online visitor protests=20 HINDU STUDENT COUNCIL IS LINKED WITH RSS AND BJP It is with deep disturbance we noticed the coverage by Calcutta Online of= the Hindu Student Council=20 celebration in America. Unlike its claim, Hindu Student Council is *not* a= cultural group, rather it is a=20 product of the Hindu supremacist RSS or Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh -- a= communal and fascist-like=20 organization that is now busy grabbing political power in India through its= direct offshoot BJP or Bharatiya=20 Janata Party. Many Hindu Student Council members are directly or indirectly= connected with groups such=20 as Overseas Friends of BJP (OFBJP) or Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP). The cultural garb of HSC or VHP is only hoax to bring Indian immigrants and= their offsprings into their=20 fold. Their version of Hinduism is also monolithic and they are busy= distorting Indian and Hindu history. Calcutta Online has knowingly or unknowingly distanced himself from its= espoused impartial and non- political stand by giving so much press coverage to this group. I have been involved myself with RSS activities for many years of my life,= and my book on RSS and its=20 offshoot groups is due to come out from India very soon. What I say, thus,= is out of my own personal=20 knowledge about these groups. Please show some fairness in publishing my letter consipicously in Calcutta= Online. Thanks. Partha=20 Banerjee JAN 17 Calcutta Online - News Paper sat, Jan 17, 1998=20 The first web based daily from Calcutta, India. Published at 11:00 pm IST=20 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ News Feedback ------------------------------------------------------------------------ PRATIK MOULIK writes I WAS REALLY SURPRISED BY MR. P. BANERJEE'S OUTBURST ON HINDU STUDENT=20 COUNCIL (HSC) IN CALCUTTA ONLINE DAILY NEWSPAPER OF JANUARY 16 TH., 1997.= THE=20 LAST ANNUAL YOUTH FESTIVAL OF HSC WAS HELD IN HOUSTON, TEXAS DURING THE=20 CHRISTMAS HOLIDAYS OF 1997. MY SON AND DAUGHTER ACTIVELY PARTICIPATED IN=20 ORGANIZING THE EVENTS AND PRESENTED A FEW INTERACTIVE SEMINARS ON HINDU=20 RELIGION. I MYSELF ATTENDED SOME OF THESE SEMINARS PRESENTED BY THE=20 STUDENTS, AND WAS AMAZED TO SEE HOW MUCH THEY KNOW ABOUT OUR RELIGION=20 AND CULTURE. I DID NOT SEE OR HEAR ANY POLITICAL PROPAGANDA DURING THE=20 ENTIRE CONFERENCE. AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED AS A PARENT, I SEE HOW MUCH HSC IS DOING FOR THE=20 HINDU STUDENTS IN THIS COUNTRY, NOT TO WHAT THEY MIGHT BE AFFILIATED TO. I= DO=20 NOT REALLY CARE WHETHER THEY ARE AFFILIATED EITHER TO BJP, OR ANY OTHER=20 POLITICAL GROUP AS LONG AS THEY ARE HELPING TO BUILD THE CHARACTERS OF OUR= =20 YOUNG GENERATION. I WOULD LET THE POLITICIANS LIKE MR. BANERJEE TO FIGHT=20 OVER THE THINGS WHICH ARE IMMATERIAL TO US, THE COMMON PEOPLE. I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST MR. BANERJEE NOT TO CRITICIZE AND DRAG THE HSC DOWN= =20 TO DUST, BUT GO AND SEE WHAT THESE YOUNG CHILDRENS OF OURS ARE DOING AND=20 HELP THEM. THEY JUST WANT TO KNOW ABOUT OUR RELIGION AND CULTURE, AND ARE=20 LEAST INTERESTED IN THE INDIAN POLITICS. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO EMPHASIZE THAT= =20 HSC IS A FINE CULTURAL GROUP AND THEY ARE DOING A FANTASTIC JOB AMONGST THE= =20 HINDU STUDENTS ALL OVER THE WORLD. I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO THANK CALCUTTA ONLINE FOR=20 PUBLISHING THE ARTICLE ON THE YOUTH FESTIVAL 1997. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sushim Mukerji writes All one has to do is read the write up on January 10 issue (Sub. Young= Hindus celebrate etc.) written by a=20 young college going woman in the USA, and compare it with the one written by= Mr. Partha Banerjee (Ref.=20 January 16 issue). The difference is obvious, both in language and in= substance. If this is what the non=20 BJP/RSS/VHP activists have to offer, I know where I belong. Devika Koppikar, the accomplished writer of that article, has clearly stated= that the objective of Hindu=20 Student council, a student led organization in the USA, is to educate young= Hindus about their religion and=20 culture, and to provide a forum to discuss issues that affect Hindus. I did= not understand why Mr. Banerjee=20 made such an issue in stressing that HSC is *not* a cultural group. Of= course, it is not. It does not do just=20 "Hari nam" either. It takes up issues that directly affects Hindus in the= USA, and interacts with the=20 dominant Christian culture for a better understanding. Her well written= article discusses quite eloquently=20 some of the current issues faced by the Hindus in the USA, and what HSC is= doing about it. COL wisely=20 printed it as a worthy news item. In a country (USA) where we face aggressive Christian missionaries in= schools, colleges, supermarkets,=20 play grounds and news media, it is important for our (Hindu) youngsters to= form such groups to understand=20 their own Hindu heritage. I, for instance, do not ever remember seeing= anyone preaching institutionalized=20 religion in Jadavpur university where I studied. But here in the USA I have= been approached aggressively=20 by vibrant proselytizing Christian groups manning booths next to T-shirt and= hot dog stalls in the student=20 center in a well known university in New Jersey. It is a familiar scene in= this country. I grant it, it is=20 difficult for the Hindus living in India to understand such situations. If= parents do not remind them=20 constantly, our youngsters do not even know how to do namaskar or pronam;= forget about Durga pooja,=20 Saraswati pooja, bhai phonta or Rabindra Sangeet. These issues are not= understood even by adult Hindus=20 living in the USA, unless they have grown (13 and up) children of their own.= It is wonderful to know that=20 these young adults belonging to HSC have put to action what many older= adults living in the USA failed to=20 understand. I do not know what version of Hinduism Mr. Banerjee wants HSC to follow.= Many of the young HSC=20 members have read the writings of Swami Vivekananda through regular study= groups. Many of them=20 familiarized themselves with the gospel of Sri Ramakrishna. Give them time.= They will read Aurobindo=20 too. They also listened to the teachings of many visiting Swamis who taught= them the lessons of Geeta,=20 Ramayana and Mahabharata. Granted, they may not know about the "dhunuchi= nritya", or about the dance=20 protocol during the "visharjan". But if I know anything about Hinduism, I= will forgive them for it. JAN 18 Deb Chatterjee writes: Subject:Partha Banerjee's Diatribes against Hindutva I would suggest that Mr.Sushim Mukherji and Mr. Pratik Moulik ignore the= mindlessly stupid regurgitated=20 drivel that Partha Banerjee is spouting against the RSS, for the heck of= getting attention of the=20 CALONLINE readers. Partha Banerjee is well-known for his antics in order to grab attention of= the generally left-leaning=20 Bangalis, and he has done so many times on the newsgroups like= soc.culture.indian and soc.culture.bengali.=20 As I have made it plain in the preceding lines, his views are popular= amongst the left-leaning, once-die- hard-but-now-armchair revolutionaries. These Leninist icons of yesteryears= do rejoice when they read the=20 filth that Partha Banerjee is dishing out prompted by his scatterbrained= behavior. The HSC, VHP-A and OFBJP are probably the last bastions of the pluralistic,= multi-ethnic Hindu culture=20 that exists beyond the territorial borders outside our homeland, India. When= the Panun Kashmiri Pandits,=20 mercilessly butchered in the hands of the fanatic Islamists,in the name of= the Allah, the Beneficient, the=20 Merciful, were looking for some form support to have their voice heard at= the US Congress, it was=20 primarily these groups that lent their full support to whatever effect that= might have had. No other elitist,=20 tight-upper-lipped, left-leaning org. of the south asian variety did look at= the plight of these hapless=20 Kashmiri Hindus who have been butchered in the name of establishing= Nizam-i-Mustafa in Kashmir. For=20 one thing, the pro-Pakistani org. Kashmiri American Council (KAC), headed by= Dr. Ghulam Nabi Fai,=20 which often patronizes the voices and demands of Moslem terrorists, did= realize that the Indians do have=20 some sense of unity and in my view this message was being sent to KAC= primarily because of the=20 supportive mentality shown by the Sangh Parivar in USA. A friend in need is= a friend indeed.=20 Partha Banerjee's book, which is expected to contain the most malicious form= of obfuscation against the=20 RSS shall not go unchallenged. In my view such fifth-columnists as Partha= Banerjee are the potential=20 enemies of any nation, which one needs to be aware of.=20 I appeal to HSC, VHP-A, OFBJP members and workers not to take Partha's words= as reflective of all=20 Bengalis. It is unfortunately true that most Bengalis are left-leaning but= hopefully all are not as degenerated=20 as Partha Banerjee. Lastly, Sir, by pulishing Partha Banerjee's drivel in the main page of= CALONLINE, this newspaper has=20 shown a distinct anti-Hindu bias. This is shameful, and I think that the= editor should tender a public=20 apology in its forthcoming issue(s). I would appreciate if you publish this= letter in your Visitor Feedback=20 section.=20 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Siddharth Chatterjee writes: Mr Partha Banerjee's exposure of the Hindu Student Council's links to the= Hindu chauvinist organizations=20 like the RSS and the BJP is to be commended. In times of capitalist crisis,= like that prevailing in India=20 today, capital often seeks its way out by enforcing its dictatorship even= more openly by supporting fascist- type organizations (as a study of pre-war Germany and the rise of the Nazis= reveals). So it is no surprise=20 that today big Indian capitalists are openly talking about stability and= supporting the BJP by giving large=20 donations (see recent articles in Indian newspapers like 'The Hindu'). These organizations like the BJP and RSS frequently subsidize youth groups= in order to ensnare gullible=20 young people into their fold and into their essentially reactionary= political agenda while talking about=20 obscurantist teachings and practices of the Hindu religion, a religion= responsible for centuries-old=20 oppression of the "lower-caste" and tribal people of India. The BJP also= drags the name of honorable=20 persons like Swami Vivekananda and Ramakrishna into the mud by twisting= their teachings and writings=20 into support of Hindu supremacist ideology. So Mr Pratik Moulik should ask himself what kind of "characters of our young= generation" will be built by=20 the HSC, which according to Mr Partha Banerjee, is linked to the BJP and= RSS.=20 Finally, it should be noted that historically fascist-type organizations= often enlist the support of the=20 educated middle class as evident in the words of Mr Sushim Mukerji who wrote= "All one has to do is read=20 the write up on January 10 issue (Sub. Young Hindus celebrate etc.) written= by a young college going=20 woman in the USA, and compare it with the one written by Mr. Partha Banerjee= (Ref. January 16 issue).=20 The difference is obvious, both in language and in substance. If this is= what the non BJP/RSS/VHP activists=20 have to offer, I know where I belong." There are plenty of educated people in India today (like Mr Mukerjee above)= who are flocking to the ranks=20 of the BJP (lured by its scapegoating of Muslims, lower castes and promises= of a clean government)=20 because they are enraged by the corruption and misery all around them. But= the BJP is no solution; if it=20 comes to power, the lives of the common people of India will worsen even= further.=20 =20 JAN 20 Calcutta Online - News Paper Wed, Jan 21, 1998=20 The first web based daily from Calcutta, India=20 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ News Feedback ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Partha Banerjee writes: Subject: Hindu Student Council and its link with RSS, VHP, and BJP -- my= response Thanks for publishing=20 my short letter in Calcutta Online on January 16, 1998. I apologize for the= grammatical errors in the letter. I would like to take this opportunity to respond to two letters that are= published on January 17 in Calcutta=20 Online as a response to my views -- one is by Mr. Pratik Moulik and the= other is by Mr. Sushim=20 Mukherjee. I hope Calcutta Online would be kind enough to let me respond to= the points raised by these=20 two writers. (1). The letter by Pratik Moulik. -- Mr. Moulik, you have alleged that I am= doing politics here. But isn't it=20 just the opposite -- that I am trying to expose the politics that HSC and= its sister groups such as BJP, VHP,=20 and RSS (or HSS, as they call it overseas) are playing? You said that you= didn't care if HSC were linked to=20 BJP or any other groups as long as they were building characters of our= young generation. But Mr. Moulik,=20 do you care to know what kind of characters they are 'building'?= Conservative, separatist, bigoted=20 characters -- something that organizations such as the Christian Coalition= of USA or Jamat-e-Islami of=20 Bangladesh also brag about 'building' amongst their people? Do you know the= viewpoints of HSC or its=20 above-mentioned mentor groups regarding important issues such as equal= rights for women (you would be=20 shocked to see how anti-woman RSS and BJP are), the Brahminical and= oppressive caste system in=20 Hinduism, tolerance for other religions and cultures, and the development of= a scientific and objective=20 mind in our youngsters? Or, maybe, these issues are not important enough to= you. Isn't it strange that HSC=20 sympathizers like you find doctrines and activities of RSS, BJP, and VHP= likable when parallel doctrines=20 and activities of other religious fanatics bother you so much?=20 What about the RSS-ally Shiv Sena's views on Muslims and their leaders'= frequent praise of the Nazis in=20 Germany? For that matter, RSS leaders have praised the Nazis too. Mr.= Moulik, do you care about that? Do you think that HSC organizers would dare to come out at future gatherings= such as the one in Houston=20 to confess that they indeed belong to fascist and communal groups such as= the RSS, VHP, and BJP --=20 groups that are responsible for deliberately dissolving the cultural harmony= and the tolerant secular fabric=20 of India -- a fabric that was built over ages by leaders such as Sri= Chaitanya, Ram Mohan Ray,=20 Ramakrishna Paramhansa, Gandhi, Rabindranath Tagore, or Subhas Chandra Basu?= Or, maybe, that doesn't=20 matter to you either. I have been an active Indian and Bengali in USA participating in cultural= and religious events, and unlike=20 what the RSS, VHP, BJP, and HSC fanatics try to label me with, I am not= against religion. I have deep=20 respect for Hinduism and other religions. But I do have strong reservations= for supremacist groups like the=20 HSC and VHP. I challenge all HSC members and supporters to rethink their= position. (2). The letter of Sushim Mukherjee. -- Mr. Mukherjee, please ask HSC and= VHP not to brainwash young=20 people's minds with supremacist-exclusionary doctrines of RSS. You said, 'It (HSC) takes up issues that directly affects Hindus in the USA,= and interacts with the dominant=20 Christian culture for a better understanding.' Would you please let us know= what kinds of Christian culture=20 your people deal with? HSC or its partners such as RSS (HSS) or VHP cannot= *honestly* interact with=20 Christian culture because the said groups find them enemies (please read= Hindutva authors such as Sita=20 Ram Goel where he brands Jesus Christ as 'junk'! Not much different from Pat= Robertson's branding of=20 Hinduism as 'demonic', right?). They also find Muslims their enemies.= Buddhism and Jainism are also=20 undermined. Please read literature put forth regularly by RSS and VHP, such= as The Organiser and Hindu=20 Vishva. I find it deeply disturbing that the RSS and VHP people have been preaching= their hateful doctrines in=20 India and at the same time, their direct offshoot HSC and its mouthpieces= such as Global Hindu Electronic=20 Network (GHEN), etc. are taking advantage of the average immigrant Indians'= and their second-generation=20 Indian-American children's ignorance about the groups' extremely communal,= ultraconservative, and fascist=20 dogmas. HSC and VHP are also taking advantage of the multiculturalism in America and= England to champion=20 Hindutva ideology (and not secular Hindu ideals) as the neglected culture of= the Hindu-Americans.=20 "Simultaneously, they subtly dissociate themselves from the sectarianism of= its parent organisations in=20 order to emerge in the liberal academy as benign and beloved. HSC and= Hindutva flourish in liberal=20 American universities, which offer such sectarian outfits the liberty to= promote what the liberals consider=20 the verities of a neglected civilisation.' (Adapted from: 'The Saffron= Dollar -- Pahle Paisa, Phir Bhagwan',=20 by Biju Mathew and Vijay Prashad, Himal South Asia, September, 1996). I do not want to get into philosophical discussions relating to Hinduism= with Mr. Mukherjee here as this is=20 not the right forum to do so. If Mr. Mukherjee or his Hindutva friends are= interested, we can organize a=20 meeting where myself and some of my more knowledgeable friends (such as some= faculty members and=20 students at U.S. universities) would be able to participate in discussions.= That would not be a bad idea, after=20 all. Although, I am sure, HSC or VHP or BJP would not cater to that idea --= it will expose their double=20 standards and bigotry. My final request to Mr. Mukherjee is, if you can, please ask HSC= sympathizers not to send me personal=20 hate-mails. I know, RSS/HSS, VHP, BJP, and HSC people do not like me.= However, please tell them that I=20 do have courage to face their insults -- I have been facing their insults= since I started writing about the true=20 colors of these groups in the real and virtual media. Since publishing my= letter in Calcutta Online on=20 January 16, I have received quite a few 'not-so-likable^=D4 mails from= pro-HSC people. I wonder what will=20 happen to me and my family once my book on RSS comes out which is not going= to be likable to them at=20 all! This is, of course, if they care to read. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Pratik Moulik writes from Houston, Texas: I am kind of baffled by Mr. Siddharth Chatterjee's feedback on the issue of= Hindu Student Council (HSC).=20 I think Mr. Chatterjee is missing the whole point of this discussion. We are= not here to glorify or criticize=20 BJP, RSS, CPI(M), or any other political party in India. We are here to see= how we can encourage our=20 young generation into our Hindu religion and involve them into our rich= cultural heritage. The article on=20 Hindu Student Council Youth Festival was probably published in Calcutta= Online as a news to let the=20 people know what this group is doing to cultivate Hindu religion and Indian= culture in this country=20 amongst the young students and I don't find anything wrong in that. To reply Mr. Chatterjee's question whether I have asked myself what kind of= characters of our young=20 generation will be built by the HSC, --Yes I have. I have seen these young= students with very high work=20 ethics. I had a chance of working with these students during the celebration= of India's 50 th anniversary of=20 independence where they put up an exhibition on India's struggle of freedom= in the last 1,000 years. The=20 exhibition was highly acclaimed by the press and appreciated by the general= public. I would like to invite=20 Mr. S. Chatterjee Mr. P. Banerjee at the Summer Camp of 5 days that HSC= organizes in Houston area=20 campsite and see how they learn about our religion, our Pujas and festivals,= our religious leaders like=20 Swami Vivekananda and others, and our daily way of life. I would again like to thank Calcutta Online for giving me this chance of= expressing my views on HSC. I=20 hope that the Indian parents who are raising their children in this country= will understand my viewpoint. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Deb Chatterjee writes: Subject: BJP, Hindutva and Facism vs. Leftism, Liberalism and Anarchy Sir: It is a interesting to read the anti-BJP articles on the CALONLINE.= Siddharth Chatterjee and Debu=20 Mukherjee both provide flawed notions that BJP is going to install a= monolithic version of Hindutva in the=20 country, if elected back to power. Maybe BJP ought to toughen its stand a bit more. I think that the lefitsts= have gone intellectually bankrupt=20 to give anything meaningful to Calcutta for the past 20 years of their= misrule. The debris of intellectualism=20 and liberalism is our charming Calcutta, who has now lost her glamour of= being an A-1 city anymore.=20 Thanks to the nonchalant Bengalis and their penchant for liberal and= Marxistically emancipated. Maybe=20 BJP ought to say it loud and clear that it can restore the glory of Calcutta= (Tilottama) to being and A-1 city=20 and that it (BJP) may not be espousing the brand of leftist intellectualism= that our mummified commies=20 want to. Perhaps it may be true that BJP may be more rustic and crude in= saying that it supports the=20 majority culture (Hindus) and that it does not engage in intellectual= prostitution as do our charming=20 commies - by banning Sahaju Path, English at the lower and upper primary= levels and etc. and etc. It is interesting to observe that the rise of the Bengali intelligentsia in= Bengal began in the 1960's (after Dr.=20 B.C. Roy's death) with lock-outs, hartals, strikes, disrupture of law and= order and `khuner rajniti' (1970's).=20 There seems to be a strong correlation: increase of intellectualism and its= affinity thereof with a decrease in=20 industrial activity. With the Marxists (no matter how pseudo-intellectuals may define them) in= power for 20 years, such=20 pathetic condition cannot in any way be the fault of the BJP at all. If hypocrisy the hallmark of the 21st century Indian politics, we need to= look at the mentality of the=20 Bengalis of today.=20 JAN 21 Calcutta Online - News Paper Wed, Jan 21, 1998=20 The first web based daily from Calcutta, India=20 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ News Feedback ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Siddharth Chatterjee writes: Once again Partha Banerjee should be commended for his most recent letter to= Calcutta Online which gives=20 more details about the HSC and its relation to the ideology of the= reactionary Hindu organizations like the=20 BJP, RSS and VHP. This is a very important debate at this current historical= juncture. Mr Banerjee's efforts=20 have elicited protests from the educated Bengali middle-class who, as I have= remarked before, have=20 become attracted to the demagogic, conservative and fascist-type ideology= promoted by these=20 organizations. It should be made extremely clear that groups like the BJP= and its allies are aiming to seize=20 political power clothed as it does in the garb of promoting the 'ideals' of= Hinduism. They are bank-rolled by=20 a section of the Indian capitalist class as recent press reports show. The= BJP is one expression of the=20 economic and political crisis (of capitalism) in India. Capitalism in= extreme crisis, seeking stability, turns=20 to enforce its dictatorship even more ruthlessly on the working class, i.e.,= it gets rids of its mask of=20 bourgeois democracy. So this political dimension should not be forgotten. If= the BJP comes to power,=20 stress, strife, oppression of lower castes and minorities, economic= deprivation of people will increase. The=20 BJP is dangerous because of all the parties on the right of the political= spectrum (including Congress), it is=20 the most organized and militant party. In Bihar for instance, the massacre= of the Harijans and Dalits are=20 commonly carried out by upper-caste landlords associated with the BJP,= Janata Dal and Congress. Since=20 many of us are on the opposite side of the class divide, it is our duty to= oppose chauvinism, casteism and=20 oppression by means available at our disposal. And one of these means is= ideological struggle. The HSC=20 youngsters should be informed about the true history and nature of the RSS,= BJP, VHP. That would be the=20 proper way forward of propagating the progressive and secular ideals of= Vivekananda and Ramakrishna=20 instead of encouraging the irrational and obscurantist practices of= Hinduism. In reply to the comments of=20 Mr Deb Chatterjee, I am under no illusion that the current state government= of West Bengal is "socialist"=20 although they have carried out some social reforms (e.g., land reform) in= the countryside. Mr Chatterjee=20 should visit the countryside of West Bengal and see for himself that these= reforms, however paltry, have=20 made some differences in the lives of the peasants who form the vote block= of the Left Front compared to=20 Congress times. That said, however, the Left Front is a collection of= essentially social democratic parties=20 who pay lip-service to the ideals of socialism. With respect to Mr= Chatterjee's phrase "khuner rajniti" of the=20 1970's, Mr Chatterjee should read the turbulent history of those times and= ask himself who was it that=20 murdered and tortured tens and thousands of people during that time. It were= the minions (police, military)=20 of the Indian ruling class and their political representatives like Indira= Gandhi, Siddhartha Shankar Ray and=20 others that participated in this orgy of mass killing. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sushim Mukerji writes: I believe, Mr. Partha Banerjee is wasting his energy on the wrong target.= HSC is comprised of college kids=20 brought up in the USA away from the politics of India. Mr. Banerjee may be= riled up by the writings of=20 Sita Ram Goel. But I myself have seldom read his writings. And, believe me,= these kids have never even=20 heard his name, nor do they read Organiser. But they want to know about= their own heritage. Who would=20 they turn to for that ? Thank God, they have not approached those who merely= say, Hinduism respects=20 everyone. I am also relieved that their parents (most of them do not belong= to the Sangh) do not just accept=20 a vague statement that Sri Ramakrishna said that all religions are the same.= Someone has to offer them=20 credible lessons, not just grandma's stories. That is where Vivekananda= comes. He is the only one who=20 explained Hindu philosophy so succinctly. I am sure, Mr. Banerjee, a learned= person as he is, must have=20 studied Vivekananda. But most Bengalees only know that Viv! ekananda said, "Sisters and brothers of America", and nothing more. So, the= parents of Hindu students in=20 the USA turned to HSC members, because HSC members study Vivekananda= regularly. I am sure, Mr.=20 Banerjee, you know that in the 8 volumes of the Complete Works ( of= Vivekananda), 99 per cent of the=20 space is devoted to Hindu philosophy. The more our youngsters read them, the= better informed they will be=20 about their heritage. As you surely know, Vivekananda talked only about= Hindu heritage. He had unkind=20 words to say about, shall we say, others. I do not know why it bothers Mr. Banerjee that VHP and HSC are teaching= their peers in the USA about=20 Hinduism. He even accused them of taking advantage of multiculturalism of= the USA; I am still baffled by=20 his reasoning(!). Guess what, they do it on their own time. So many of our= own Hindu kids in Calcutta=20 itself are being taught about Christianity by Christian run schools during= school hours. I never heard any=20 complain on that. I am glad that many people in VHP and HSC have taken a= determined step to understand=20 Hinduism from the writings of our very best, and spreading it among their= peers. Even myself, an unworthy=20 Hindu, gave a two hour presentation on Hinduism last week in our local= university (what a shame for the=20 apologists!). It may be of consolation to Mr. Banerjee that I myself am a target of hate= mails. In my case, I am being=20 accused of siding with the "Hanuman bhaktas", "(dreaded) vegetarians" and= "medos".I advise Mr. Banerjee=20 to stop acting a victim. Both of us will have to tough it out. It is only a= game. That too is Vivekananda's=20 teaching.Till next time. Calcutta Online - News Paper Sun, Jan 24, 1998=20 The first web based daily from Calcutta, India=20 Chandan Bandopadhyay writes: This an irony and utter surprise that the reputed Calcutta Online had to publish a letter (Partha Banerjee, January 16, 1998), which is full of= words of hatred, frustration and dissension and yet it found space in the main News section! In any case, I am not going to respond to each point (many lies, many ludicrous) he has tried to make. I want to invite Shree Banerjee to participate in HSC activities to enhance his 'personal knowledge'. I invite you, the visitor to find the facts on your own and facts should speak. =20 HSC is a students' organization, dedicated to the Vedic vision of 'Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam: The entire universe is one family' and 'Sarve bhavantu sukhinah, sarve santu niramayah..":'Let everybody be happy, healthy & blessed'. HSC is dedicated to bring modern material science and spiritual science together for the betterment of the humanity. After= reading Shree Banerjee's letter I want to put forth the following questions to= Shree Banerjee: =20 Can you please tell us which other organization in the world organized events in almost all major cities in USA and many cities in other parts of the world to fly Indian flag on 15th August 1997 and sang the National Anthem and in many cases in presence of the head of the state or the city? Which other organization in the world has received messages from The Prime Ministers of India, Canada, Trinidad & Tobago, The President of the USA, H.H. The Dalai Lama and many great leaders around the world for commemorating the 50th Anniversary of India's independence? Which other organization has organized seminars, study centers, conferences, shows, exhibitions, radio programs and lecture tours to educate people about Indian history all over North America (check www.freeindia.org)?=20 The answer is that HSC is the only organization who can claim these. =20 Which other organization is dedicated to bring the knowledge of the ancient seers of Bharat and the great heritage to the young and adult alike through its activities and projects (e.g. GHEN:www.hindunet.org)? Which other organization celebrates Saraswati, Ganesh & Lakshmi Puja on campuses across North America? Which other organization has been graced by innumerable spiritual masters such as Swami Chinmayananda, Swami Sarvagatananda, Swami Dayanana, Jain Muni Sushilkumar, Guru Harbhajan Singh Khalsa, Swami Jyotirmayananda and others? Which other organization has received praise and endorsement from so many spiritual institutions such as Chinmaya Mission, Ramakrishna Mission, Arsha Vidya Gurukulam, Divine Life Society, ISKCON, Swaminaryan etc. and reputed publications such as Hinduism Today & Yoga International? =20 Which other organization celebrates Vijaya Dashami, Holi, Deepavali, Pongal, Indian Independence Day, Republic Day etc., which is done in over 50 campuses where HSC has chapters at? These chapters include reputed universities such as MIT, UC Berkley/LA, Princeton University, University of Toronto etc. Which other organization has celebrated Buddha, Guru Nanak, Mahaveer, Gandhiji, Netaji & Vivekananda's birth days for last 7 years? HSC organizes sports activities and leadership training programs. =20 Which other organization is dedicated in service to the society such as= soup kitchens for homeless, adopt a high way, community reconstruction and disaster relief such as collection of money for Lattur earthquake ($8,000), support a child (HSC supports 3 children in India) and $5000 for the education of homeless Kashmiri refugee children? Which other organization occupies regular news space in both ethnic and mainstream news-media? Swami Suddhananda of Lokenath Divine Life Mission of Calcutta gave talks in many campuses and at the end of his tour he spontaneously stated: =3D93I am indeed extremely happy to associate=20 with HSC. Swami Vivekananda's inspirational power is working through each of the students for the establishment of Hindu Dharma in its right spirit throughout the world for peace and blessedness= of the entire mankind." =20 The list is very long, and HSC is an open book for all to find the facts. HSC members are truly playing the role of the ambassadors of the sacred= land Bharat. Hundreds of HSC members, majority of whom are born and brought up in North America, painfully find that many of these people like Partha Banerjee and Siddharth Chatterjee, who swear in the name of India and her people are doing most disservice to her. Many of these people having conviction to some outdated ideologies and theories have nothing constructive to offer but they are involved in activities which promotes such divisive ideas as: 'Kashmir is not part of India', 'India is not one= =20 nation and it should break up'. These people through their negative mis- information campaign about India and its history and bringing Indian= politics in here make us, the young Hindu-Americans and Hindu-Canadians look like= fools in the society! I'm ashamed of these human beings who has least obligation to their motherland and their ancestors. Our only request to you all in the words of Swami Vivekananda is (World Parliament of Religions, Chicago, Sept. 27, 1893): "Help and not fight; assimilate and not destruction; harmony and peace and not dissension". I hope that you will assure the fairness that HSC deserves by publishing this letter. Thank you and Namaskar. Oum Shantih. =20 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Partha Banerjee writes: Subject: Hindu Student Council, RSS, BJP, VHP, and Vivekananda I almost decided to refrain from writing more in Calcutta Online regarding the ongoing debate about the Hindu Student Council, its direct link with Hindu fascist RSS, BJP, and VHP, and the said students' group's deliberate denial of their physical and ideological link with communalism, ultraconservatism, and monolithic Hindu supremacy.=20 However, although I am very familiar with the seasoned Sangh Parivar people's sham arguments, their obfuscation of issues, and their usual branding of the progressive opposition "communists", considering the importance of the issue, the BJP and VHP people's overt and covert political campaigning in USA and Europe, and their deliberate use of the politically naive Hindu Indian immigrants and their children, I think I must say a few words here. While preparing for writing this note, I received another email from a pro-RSS pro-BJP person who wrote this: "Fascists or not! There can be speculation about this, however I believe they are the only ones who can make Bharat a super power. Personally I can care less if they are Fascists, what has thousands of years of tolerance and passivity done for the Hindus. We have been ruled by many foreigners. Even today there is no respect for Indians we are just a bunch of beggars to the world." I quote this here because this is the true essence of the feeling of the average Sangh Parivar people of which HSC is a part. The essence is, "Hindus have been oppressed in India; Muslims, Christians, and communists have looted India, so here is a Hindu organization that offers an alternative. So, fascist or not, they should be supported." (It's really a very similar situation when Hitler came to power in Germany.) Nothing can be more far-fetched that the above contentions. If India has been destroyed by anything, it's particularly the oppression and barbarism in the name of Hinduism by the Brahmins and other upper castes. Their shameful inhuman treatment of the other Indians has made the latter convert to other religions, their extreme abuse in the name of religion has caused a deep division in the Indian society. HSC, VHP, BJP, and RSS leaders frequently quote Swami Vivekananda. But they rather misuse him for they do not ever cite things he repeatedly said that are not comfortable to these Hindu supremacist groups. For example, Vivekananda, who was virtually a socialist (and was thus deeply respected by the socialist revolutionaries of British India) said, "Our experience is such that if there is one religion that followed true socialism, that religion is Islam. Therefore, we strongly believe that Vedanta, without the help from Islam, is meaningless to mankind. We want to take humanity to a goal where there is no Vedas, no Bible, no Koran. For our country, a combination of Islam and Hinduism is the only hope." (Collection of letters). JAN 25 Calcutta Online - News Paper Sun, Jan 25, 1998=20 The first web based daily from Calcutta, India=20 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ News Feedback ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Siddharth Chatterjee writes: Dr Mihir Meghani and Mr Chandan Bandyopadhyay write noble-sounding letters= praising the various=20 cultural and social activities of the HSC but they do not utter one word= about the RSS, BJP, VHP and the=20 connections of the HSC (both financial and ideological) to these chauvinist= Hindu organizations. This has=20 also been noted by Partha Banerjee. Various religious and fundamentalist= groups (e,g; Vatican) with a=20 political agenda also carry out social activities like soup kitchens,= disaster relief, etc but these groups have=20 some very reactionary attributes (anti-poor, pro-rich, anti-women, racist,= anti-immigrant, etc). The=20 nefarious practice of the Roman Catholic Church in siding with tyrannical= and genocidal forces throughout=20 history (colonization of New World, moral justification for slavery,= Inquisition in which heretics where=20 burnt alive) is an eloquent testimony of holding aloft the cross (to= confuse. disorient and demoralize the=20 masses) in order to perpetuate the rule by the sword.=20 So it is amusing to hear Mr Chandan Bandyopadhyay say "HSC is a students'= organization, dedicated to the=20 Vedic vision of 'Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam: The entire universe is one family'= and 'Sarve bhavantu=20 sukhinah, sarve santu niramayah..":'Let everybody be happy". For it does not= fool us. For if one listens=20 carefully, one can hear the voice of the oppressor and the slave-master (not= meant personally to Mr=20 Bandyopadhyay) behind such sweet and noble words - similar to what the Pope= is saying today in Cuba,=20 essentially wanting to convert Cuban people back to a slave status.= Unfortunately, contrary to Mr=20 Bandyopadhyay's wishes, the world is wracked with violence and misery the= cause of which is quite well=20 known. Also if one's stomach is full and one is living the good life, it is= easy to utter such eloquent phrases. Partha Banerjee raises an interesting question - whether BJP is capitalist= or anti-capitalist. The history of=20 Germany in the 1930's shows that while it is building up mass support,= fascist parties frequently utter anti- capitalist slogans but once they seize power, they actually represent the= reactionary dictatorship of big=20 capital. Thus in Germany, the industrial house of I.G. Farben gave support= to Hitler. The gas Zyclon B,=20 which killed millions of people in the gas chambers, was manufactured by= Bayer. Hitler and Mussolini's=20 armies in the Spanish Civil War (1936-1939) were provided with trucks and= oil by Ford (whose founder=20 Henry Ford was a good friend of Hitler) and the Standard Oil Company.= Hitler's rise to power was greeted=20 with euphoria by the western capitalist class who saw in him the right= instrument to destroy Bolshevism in=20 the East.Today in India, big Indian capital is financing the BJP because the= disintegrating Congress will no=20 longer serve their purpose. An Indian student, who has just returned after a= visit to India, commented that=20 his rich businessman father was supporting the BJP for reasons of= 'stability' of the country. And we all=20 know what this 'stability' means in the Indian context and how it will be= enforced on the Indian masses in=20 order to suppress their ever-increasing protests against the forceful= imposition of neo-liberal economics.=20 Note that in Maharashtra, the Dabihol power project, inspite of great= protests by the people, was awarded=20 to the multinational company Enron by the Shiv-Sena, a BJP ally. Mr Bandyopadhyay also states that "Partha Banerjee and Siddharth Chatterjee,= who swear in the name of=20 India and her people are doing most disservice to her. Many of these people= having conviction to some=20 outdated ideologies and theories have nothing constructive to offer but they= are involved in activities which=20 promotes such divisive ideas as: 'Kashmir is not part of India' 'India is= not one nation and it should break=20 up'" He then goes on to imply that we are traitors to the motherland by= commenting "I'm ashamed of these=20 human beings who has least obligation to their motherland." Well, to tell the truth, India is a country of many nations and Kashmir is= actually not a part of India. Right=20 from 1947, the ruling class and its various government in New Delhi have= mounted ferocious police and=20 military campaigns against different peoples of India (Telengana, Nagaland,= Mizoram, Kashmir, Punjab,=20 Bengal, etc) That, it is this ruling class and its political-military= apparatus that is today the chief enemy of=20 the Indian people and who has been responsible, in the main, for massive= violence against the peoples of=20 India. Mr Bandyopadhyay should study some reports of the violation of human= rights in Kashmir (torture,=20 murder, rape) and see some photographs which show the handiwork of the= Indian military, which may=20 perhaps, bring about a change in his views if he is honest. The terrorism of= the Kashmiri militant pales in=20 comparison to the terrorism practiced by the Indian State. A genuinely= multi-national federated India, with=20 free rights of the nations to secede from the union, can only be possible= under socialism and not under the=20 forced capitalist dictatorship that prevails today. It is the latter which= the people are protesting in various=20 forms (class struggle takes the form of national or religious struggles) and= these protests cannot be solved=20 by using brutal force directed from New Delhi. So Mr Bandyopadhyay, instead= of levelling the accusation=20 of "disservice" to motherland at us, should ask himself if people like= Nehru, Indira Gandhi, Narasimah=20 Rao, Siddhartha Shankar Ray, Pranab Mukherjee, P. Chidambaram, Sitaram= Kesri, A. B. Vajpayee, L. K.=20 Advani, Bal Thakeray, and the whole merry company of assorted gangsters and= criminals of big business=20 have actually done real "service" to the motherland. Or it is they, in fact,= who are the real traitors to the=20 motherland and should be tried in the dock for their innumerable and great= crimes against the people. Finally, it is heartening to hear the anti-communist tirades of Mr Deb= Chatterjee. Many a rising hack=20 journalist, scientist, or politician has received instant promotion from= their superiors after they have=20 proudly presented their anti-communist credentials at the feet of their= masters. JAN 27 Calcutta Online - News Paper Tue, Jan 27, 1998=20 The first web based daily from Calcutta, India=20 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ News Feedback ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Deb Chatterjee writes: Tricksterism, lies and hypocrisy are a part of the leftist, intellectualism= that Bengalis have prided=20 themselves in for such a long time. If there be one ethnic group on this earth, that engages in= mindlessly-stupid and self-destructive acts, then=20 that group evidently represents the marxist bengalis of the modern times.= Gone are the glorified days for=20 which we can thank ourselves and bask in its halo. The shamelessly niggardly= attitudes of the leftist=20 Bengalis are a sign of self-molestation: this group of human parasites= resemble the social excrement of the=20 sterile Marxist euphoria that has yielded nothing but harm to our moral= integrity. Tagore had lamented over=20 the rise of this new phenomenon, and he never agreed with it. Probably our= dons at Alimuddin Street have=20 taken revenge by banning his works. Clowns at Alimuddin Street may think= that Leninism for toddlers is=20 the better than Sahaj Path. But, some of us don't agree. If the leftist= intelligentsia shuns us for not being so=20 damn progressive, to hell with them ! The red needle of the social compass= used to point towards Kremlin;=20 now its just going bonkers. I can keep citing once instance after another, that only shows how immoral= and callous we have become.=20 The fault lies with ourselves; educated and academically qualified persons= have resorted into empty=20 histrionics and repulsive antics of social negationism. That is, repeated= negationism and lies become the=20 truth, as per the perverted Stalinist agenda. This is what we see in the= recent spate of letters on=20 CALONLINE triggered by Partha Banerjee and his ilk. Siddharth and Subrata Chatterjee's posts amply reflect the immoral contents.= To elucidate the finer points=20 would take a toll on me and the reader. I would therefore resign myself to= focus on the grossly hypocritical=20 and callous nature of their postings (CALONLINE, January 25, 1998). 1. If there is a dislike amongst leftist Bengalis for the Hindutva movement,= so be it. We all know how=20 tyrannical and most autocratic the Leftist rule can be ! West Bengal for 20= years is suffereing under the=20 yoke of Marxism gone awry. The picture was clear after the 1979= indiscriminate shootings at=20 Marinchjhanpi on the East Bengal refugees, at the order of the darling Joyti= Basu. We need not elaborate it=20 here. So much for the bleeding-heart leftist liberals, crying their guts out= for the ``sarbohara''. We don't=20 need to be educated by commies regarding the virtues of ``khuner rajniti''.= So, just as Subrata Chatterjee=20 ``knows'' the BJP we know and have direct experience with the CPI(M)= atrocities ! 2. Coming back to HSC issue, I think that Subrata Chatterjee may know that= it is not at all incorrect to get=20 the children of the Indian immigrants to the Hindutva fold. The HSC does= believe that Hinduism means=20 culture. How that is presented is upto the individual choice. It does not= have to sanitized by the Bengali=20 leftists. If the Bengali leftists have some form of an alternate viewpoint,= it is necessary to present them and=20 get accepted. Simply whining at the popularity of the HSC is a clinical= symptom of terminal=20 underachievement. Commies have always been terminal underachievers. The= symptom tells it all !=20 Furthermore, all other immigrant groups have their own form of= organization(s). You name it, Jewish,=20 Chinese, Arabs, Pakistanis, Irish etc. and etc. all have orgs. that are like= the HSC, or at least very similar.=20 Why single out the HSC ? Because it is populated by non-Bengalis and it= takes quotes from notable=20 Bengali personalities like Ramkrishna and Vivekananda ? Isn't this false= sense of ethnic pride quite=20 ridiculous ? What has our charming commie Bengalis done to remember Pandit= Iswar Chandra Vidyasagar=20 ? Except that the head of the bust of his statue was decapitated by the most= enlightened Naxalites, near=20 Hind Cinema in 1971 ! 3. Siddharth Chatterjee's views on Kashmir are quite ``thought provoking''.= For one thing, the commies=20 have shown what their ilk is. Commies have always been traitors of the= Nation. To negate that Kashmir is=20 an essential and integral part of India is what the Naxalites used to say.= The CPI(M), for some very unkown=20 reason, doesn't go that far ! Naxalites supported Pakistan in the 1971 war= because Pakistan was a friend of=20 China. So much for their credibility and Maoist poppycock. Just read on the CNN= http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9801/26/india.republic.day/index.html that 23= Hindus=20 were killed in Jammu and Kashmir to mark the Indian Republic Day= celebration. Probably such a carnage makes leftist thinkers like Siddharth Chatterjee= very happy; it validates his claims=20 that India should succumb and give up Kashmir, just because some fanatic= Moslem terrorists are killing for=20 the jollies of Allah. However such incidents do strengthen the cohesiveness= of the Hindutva forces and the=20 Sangh Parivar. It does remind less educated people like us of the proverbial= truth that was stated by=20 William James Durant: `` The Mohammedan Conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in= history. It is a discouraging tale,=20 for its evident moral is that civilization is a precarious thing, whose= delicate complex of order and liberty,=20 culture and peace may at any time be overthrown by barbarians invading from= without or multiplying from=20 within.'' (page. 459). [ THE STORY OF CIVILIZATION, vol. 1, (Our Oriental Heritage), Simon and= Schuster, NY, USA, 1954.=20 ] I believe that commie political culture is nothing but quite semblative of= barbarianism from within against=20 which we should remain guarded. I am sorry for this long letter, but I hope that our views will be heard= too. CALONLINE may shred its=20 leftist bias by not promoting Partha Banerjee's views on the front page of= this magazine. Abhijit Mitra writes: This is in response to Siddharth Chatterjee's leftist nonsense. Now, I am= going to steer clear completely of=20 the crux of this debate - the HSC. Quite frankly, I don't have an opinion= about them. But I do have an=20 opinion about communism - I despise it. Why do I despise it so? Well,= basically due to the exaggerated=20 sense of self-importance that those people have. They talk of uplifting the= proletariat. Yet, in every nation=20 where communism has been tried, they have failed. They have failed= miserably. Including Cuba, whos=20 economy is in shambles - sections of the media say that Castros latest= attempts vis a vis the Pope are geared=20 towards getting European sympathy. They need the outside world, after all.= They need those evil capitalists=20 after all. Communism, indeed. The next point I want to touch on is Mr. Chatterjees characterisation of= India. When he says "India is a=20 country of many nations," the reader can interpret that in many ways. One= way of looking at it, and I would=20 agree with this particular interpretation, would be if one looked at the= various ethnicities as different=20 'nationalities,' where nationality is defined not by political allegiance= but by ones ethnicity. But then, he=20 goes on to say that every 'nation' should have the right to secede from the= Union. Well, well, well. Now=20 thats just dandy, aint it? Note how, typically to form, he has not suggested= an alternative. In an increasingly=20 integrated world, here we have people who would turn the clock BACK - they= would have say, Telengana=20 seperate from India. But how exactly would this Telengana support itself?= Communism, but of course!=20 Nevermind the fact that Communism does NOT work. These geniuses will MAKE it= work. Exactly how=20 they will do so is a secret of the tight-lipped comrades. Perhaps they= themselves don't know. Yeah, that=20 must be it. In ending, let me say this. The United States of America, admittedly one of= the most free nations on earth -=20 a nation that has embraced capitalism while at the same time embracing= certain socialist principles and=20 ideas, is much better off than any communist nation you can speak of.= Americans, by and large, are better=20 off than either the Chinese, or the North Koreans or the Cubans. They're= even more better off, and=20 definitely more free, than the West Bengalis and the Malayalis of India. So,= on one hand you have a model=20 of the ideals of capitalism - the USA. And on the other hand you have North= Korea or China or Cuba. I=20 believe the choice is clear. JAN 28 Calcutta Online - News Paper Wed, Jan 28, 1998=20 The first web based daily from Calcutta, India=20 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ News Feedback ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dr. Chanchal Chatterjee, San Diego, California writes: I whole-heartedly agree with Mr. Deb Chatterjee and Mr. Abhijit Mitra (Jan= 27, 1998) that communism is a curse in West Bengal. It is a shame that it= is imposed on us and has harmed the state of West Bengal both economically= and politically for a long time. On the issue of Hindutva in India and among Indian Immigrants in the US, I= agree that if anybody can not take it then it is too bad for them. I have= never seen any other nation that has suppressed the viewpoint of a majority= community so much to accomodate the whims of a fanatic minority, namely the= muslim community. I am so glad that our (the majority) viewpoint is coming= back in India. If they need help, they can have my support and my wallet. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chanakya Ganguly writes: Subject:Kashmir Issue & BJP Yesterday, 23 Kashmiri Pandits were gunned down by ultras. The present= crisis in Kashmir is not a sudden development. Its origin can be traced to= 1947. The Congress first created the Kashmiri problem and then allowed it= to linger for 50 years in the form of full-blown secessionism. It could= have been settled in favour of India at the time of partition itself, as= Sardar Patel did in the case of all princely states. But Jawaharlal Nehru's= sentimentalism and lack of long-term vision on the subject opened a window= of permanent mischief by Pakistan. Another most opportune time to settle= the problem was the Bangladesh war. But Indira Gandhi left the matter= open-ended in the Simla agreement of 1972. Kashmiri Pandits have become= refugees in their own country. Dr. Shyama Prasad Mookerjee was the= founder-president of the BJS. By the time the first general election was= held in 1951-52, the BJS was still a party in the making. Three BJS= candidates, including Dr. Mookerjee, won the election; But tragedy struck= in the form of Dr. Mookerjee's mysterious death while being held captive by= Sheikh Abdullah. The powerful agitation that had been launched by the BJS= and the Praja Parishad under Dr. Mookerjee's leadership for the full and= final integration of Jammu and Kashmir inspired BJS workers and supporters= as never before; more than four decades later, it still continues to= inspire BJP. According to Vajpayee, I remember accompanying Dr. Mookerjee= on his historic mission to Jammu and Kashmir. To register his protest= against the permit system (all non-Kashmiris required a permit to enter= this State although it was a part of the Union) which was then prevalent,= he had decided to enter Jammu and Kashmir without a permit. Dr. Mookerjee= was arrested by Sheikh Abdullah's police on the bridge over the Ravi. As= the policemen led him away, he turned towards me and said, "Go back= Vajpayee. Go back and tell the people that I have entered Jammu and Kashmir= State, though as a prisoner." That was the last time I saw this great= nationalist, but his words still ring in my ears, spurring me on in those= moments when despair, tiredness and fatigue threaten to overwhelm me. The= spirit of nationalism that spurred our freedom fighters to sacrifice= everything for their motherland was sought to be suppressed by the= Nehruvian consensus in the decades immediately after Independence. But= nationalism cannot be killed by transplanted ideologies or= pseudo-ideologies. In this 50th year, we can see the stirrings of dormant= nationalism coming to life, suppressed and seeking to break free. The= mantra that will see us yet achieve this goal is the same mantra that ended= foreign rule - uncompromising nationalism, nationalism that verges on= devotionalism as epitomised by Vande Mataram, nationalism that puts the= nation above everything else. In spite of all its drawbacks, probably for= only this reason BJP deserves a chance. --=====================_886048099==_-- _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From kanchan_banerjee@npcfreight.com Wed Jan 28 18:45:36 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980128185425.006bd04c@208.197.9.151> X-Sender: kanchan_banerjee@208.197.9.151 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:54:26 -0500 To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From: "Kanchan Banerjee" Subject: Continuation of HSC/CalOnline: Missed Mihir's message Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Namaste Shri Sourav Kundu and B. Hari, >I enjoyed looking through the CalOnline pages when I heard that you had a >report on Hindu Students Council (HSC), an organization of which I am a >member. I feel that you have done lovers of Calcutta a great favor by >showing the strong legacy of Calcutta and Bengal on Hindus in the west. >Swami Vivekananda, a great inspiration to many youth in America, was from >Bengal and his message is very relevant to Hindu and Indian youth in >America. He reminds us all to serve society, practice Vedanta, be proud of >our ancient Hindu heritage, and not blindly follow the west. I am proud to >say that Hindu Students Council has probably promoted his teachings more >than perhaps that of any other saint. In 1993, we held programs throughout >North America, called Global Vision 2000, to commemorate the centenary of >Swami Vivekananda's message at the World Parliament of Religions. In August >1993, we held a major 3 day youth conference at the Omni Shoreham Hotel >outside Washington D.C., with over 2,200 youth from over 10 nations, >including 9 youth all the way from South Africa, representing the National >Hindu Youth Federation of South Africa. My responsibility was to coordinate >the youth conference program and the seminars held throughout North America. > >I visited Calcutta a few years ago, and stayed with a friend in the Dum Dum >Cantonment area. Being born and brought up in America, and knowing only >English and Gujarati, I had a difficult time communicating with people in >Calcutta but I found the people to be much friendlier than people in New >Delhi or Mumbai. I also found some distant relatives whose name I had but >whose address or phone number I had not, and who had settled in Calcutta >some 80 years ago. They had changed their name to Meghanee from Meghani to >better fit into Bengali society. I have fond memories of Dakshineswar and >Belur Math. Of course, Calcutta also shows the mixed picture of India with >its extremes of grandeur and poverty, of spirituality and inhumanity. > >It is ideals and practical improvements that HSC is trying to make in youth >in North America who are interested in Hindu heritage and culture. HSC is a >student organization with very limited resources, yet with a network that >spans the Globe, dedicated to the vision of 'Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam: The >entire universe is one family'. We are here to take the best of both Hindu >and American culture and to change the worst in both. Our organization has >Hindus of Indian blood, some four generations removed from India, all sects >(including Jains, Sikhs, and Buddhists) and castes, and white and >African-American Hindus as well. Many people who do not consider themselves >Hindus, and are atheists, Muslims, Christians, and Jews, participate in HSC >programs or come to learn and experience our rich culture. > >In our seven years, we have left our mark on American society with a >multitude of social service projects and unique campus programs. For >example, HSC at the University of Michigan (Ann Arbor, Michigan USA) >organized the 1st Conference on Spirituality where representatives of >various faiths came and spoke about spirituality in their religion. At the >University of Illinois (Urbana-Champaign, Illinois, USA), HSC organized >Gandhi Day celebrations where we joined African-American students in a >message of peace and harmony. HSC chapters of Georgia Tech University and >Emory University in the state of Georgia participated with the Olympic >Committee to clean the city prior to the Summer Games. Other SEVA projects >have included highway cleanup, blood donation drives, disaster relief, soup >kitchens for the homeless, and financial support for Kashmiri refugees. We >also created the best and largest internet site dedicated to Hindu things. >Our Global Hindu Electronics Network is a source of information for many >people who do research, temples and organizations that need web space, >people who need directions to temples, and for general and specific public >domain information on Hindu Dharma. HSC chapters in Boston, Massachusetts >(USA) organized a conference on Women's Issues. This year, we have been >commemorating the heritage of India with our Freedom Festival programs. On >August 15, 1997, we had prayer meets in many cities, with our Washington DC >program attended by Mayor Marion Berry and filmed on ABC's Nightline >program, that remembered the freedom struggle and offered prayers for world >peace and harmony. > >Therefore, I find it very unfortunate that you have printed a rude and >ignorant letter by Partha Banerjee (January 16, 1998). Every organization >has detractors, and often they have a hidden agenda. HSC continues its work >despite such criticism. Our record shows our dedication to good work and >upliftment of all segments of society. HSC is not an organization that will >try to destroy the work of other individuals or organizations. We feel that >our energy is better suited to fulfilling our goals of educating people >about Hindu heritage, promoting awareness of issues affecting society, and >performing SEVA. We will join with anyone who wants to work with us to >achieve our goals. > >If you have any questions on HSC, please do not hesitate to contact me. I >hope that in the future, you will judge the content of negative letters such >as Partha Banerjee's before printing them. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Jitendra_Goel@qmail4.nba.TRW.COM Thu Jan 29 12:32:21 1998 Message-ID: Date: 29 Jan 1998 09:15:13 -0700 From: "Jitendra Goel" Subject: Re: Message from the preside To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.3d2 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 RE>Message from the president 1/29/98 Dear Yashpalji: Namaste It is good to hear from you over email. Now that you have been introduced to the wonderful world of computers, we hope to hear from you regularly . This is the best way to communicate. If needed we can also setup a private chatroom so that messages can be exchanged in real time. Regards Jitendra -------------------------------------- Date: 1/24/98 6:00 PM To: Jitendra Goel From: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Dear governing council members, namaste from Yash Pal. Since the last governing council meeting I have been thinking of communicating with all of you. As a matter of fact I sent an e-mail immediately after the annual GC meeting. But unfortunately, I used the wrong e-mail address and you did not get the mail. Now I think I have the correct address, I am hopeful that you will get this message. If I am successful in this endeavour, you should hear from me more frequently. For many of you who have the computer savvy, this may not be a very difficult task. But for me who had never learnt to type and still type very slowly and learnt to use any key board not too long ago, it is a very remarkable achievement, if I say so myself. Any way, belated greetings for the year 1998. As all of you who attended the GC meeting know, the theme and the main focus of our activities at the local levels was fixed to be the youth related activities. We want each and every chapter to celebrate Hindu heritage day and theme should be the youth activities, specially the Hindu Students Council. The chapters should collaborate with the local coordinators of the Hindu Students Council to arrange the Hindu heritage day. All the chapters which have firm or preliminary plans should communicate with me as well as our central office in Houston. We should also increase the level and frequency of communication between the chapters and the so called center, it could be any member of the Executive Board or the cetral office in Houston. If you are planning any function or festival and you need some body from the EB to visit, please make the plans in advance so that I or the other members of the EB could visit you. Even if there are no special programs, I will like to make "get to know you'" sort of visit. So invite me. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by qmail4.sp.trw.com with ADMIN;24 Jan 1998 17:59:47 -0700 Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) id UAA14407; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 20:53:22 -0500 (EST) From: YLakra Message-ID: <7b0dd8cd.34ca9a9c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 20:51:22 EST To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Cc: YLakra@aol.com Subject: Message from the president Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From kanchan_banerjee@npcfreight.com Fri Jan 30 12:31:31 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980130123229.006a61b0@208.197.9.151> X-Sender: kanchan_banerjee@208.197.9.151 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:32:30 -0500 To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From: "Kanchan Banerjee" Subject: Emerging vision of Hinduvta Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Title: Heirs to a great past, Hindus are reclaiming their culture >Author: M.V.Kamath >Publication: The Free Press Journal >Date: January 15, 1998 > >Several reasons are being adduced for the defection of many >Congressmen to the BJP camp. Why did they leave the Congress? >More importantly, why have they joined the BSP? Till the other >day the BJP was an untouchable party, hated and reviled by the >Congress. Weren't these defectors aware of their party's >position? The kind of people who have joined the BJP can hardly >be described as illiterate or poor. Take a man like Rangarajan >Kumaramangalam. If one is not mistaken he is the son of Mohan >Kumaramangalam, a one time Communist leader, not lacking either >in money or intelligence. How come he was drawn to the BJP? >Kumaramangalam, of course, is only one among several who have >joined the BJP. There are many more like him who can hardly be >called "nonentities" or office-seekers. What possibly can the >explanation be for their turnaround? > >It is said - no doubt with some justification - that those who >defected from the Congress may re-defect from the BJP if they >fail to pick up the loaves and fishes of office. Human nature >being what it is, nothing can be ruled out. But is that all there >is to the defections? One suspects that there is more than meets >the eye. And it is that "more" that one needs carefully to >analyse. Can it be - can it just possibly be - that there has >been a great deal of thinking going on in certain intellectual >circles over the history of the country, ever since the >demolition of the so-called Babri Mosque? > >The Babri Mosque, let it be remembered, has been in the news for >a long, long time. It was not that it was demolished overnight in >the secrecy of darkness. If the purpose of any party was merely >to demolish the mosque, it could have been conveniently done by >planting a few discreet bombs under the building and then >exploding them through remote control. The aim of destroying the >bomb would have been achieved with the minimum of fuss. But those >who destroyed the mosque were not cowards. They did what they did >in broad daylight, for all the world to see, to show the depth of >their anger. > >Let it not be forgotten that the demolishers had petitioned the >courts and had sought to negotiate with the Babri Masjid. Action >Committee for months. They had submitted whatever material was >available to prove the sanctity of the Ram Janmabhoomi site to >Hindus and had received no response. The demolition, under the >circumstances, should only have been expected. > >We the demolition undertaken for =93political reasons=94 as has been >made out in the some quarters? Plainly it was not. In a >remarkably frank analysis of the situation in The Hindustan Times >(28 December), one Rizwan Salim gave a possible reason. "The >efforts of religion-intoxicated and politically active Hindus to >rebuild the Ram Mandir, the Kashi Vishwanath Mandir and the >Krishna Mandir" Salim wrote, "are just three episodes in a one >thousand year long struggle to reclaim their culture and religion >>from alien invaders". And he added for good measure: "The >demolition of the Babri Masjid was just one episode in the >millenial struggle of the Hindus to repossess their religion- >centred culture and nation." > >This is where a little knowledge of history comes in handy. Salim >testified to the fact that =93not hundreds but many thousands" of >ancient Hindu temples were "broken into shreds" by Muslim >"iconoclasts" and the wrecking of the Hindu temples "went on from >the early years of the 8th century to well past 1700 AD, a period >of almost 1000 years". And Salim adds: "Islamic invaders did not >just destroy countless temples and constructions but also >suppressed cultural and religious practices, damaged the pristine >vigour of Hindu religion; prevented the intensification of Hindu >culture, debilitating it permanently; stopped the development of >Hindu arts; ended the creative impulse in all realms of thought >and action, damaged the people's cultural pride, disrupted the >transmission of values and wisdom..." For a thousand years >Hinduism lay prostrate before the might of Islamic rulers. The >two hundred years of British rule was an interregnum. Now >Hinduism is beginning to bestir itself It is asking questions. >That is the significance of the rise of the BJP. Politics is >incidental. > >The Raj made possible the rise of a self-confident Hindu elite on >an all-India basis the like of which was just not possible under >Islamic rule. During the British rule a Hindu middle class arose >that knew its place. Even then it was not easy for it to be >assertive. The British despised Hindus and Hinduism; the >missionaries raved and ranted against Hindu gods and religious >practices; but at least they did not destroy temples. They let >Hindus be. With independence arose the issue of secularism. >Secularism was the order of the day because reversion to Hindu >rule would have only confirmed Jinnah's Two Nation Theory. If >only to deny Jinnah a chance to mock at us, our leaders opted for >secularism, whatever misgivings many may secretly have >entertained in their hearts. It paid dividends in plenty. For the >Congress it was a way of reaping the Muslim vote. For the >Muslims it helped ease their conscience. They could put their >faith in the Congress which Jinnah had condemned as a Hindu >nationalist party without any qualms. But now the time has come >to shed all hypocrisy. > >Every 'ism' has a natural life span. Communism was just right at >the turn of the nineteenth century. If Marx was not born, he >would have had to be invented. Working conditions in the >industrial world were so bad workers were often chained to their >jobs - that when Marx declared: "Workers of the world unite! You >have nothing to lose but your chains". He was literally true. Why >is communism today a spent force, both in Russia and in China? >Because its time has come. It has become irrelevant. Even so, has >the time come to do away with "secularism". It has ceased to have >any relevance in today's India. As the late Girilal Jain wrote >in his posthumously published The Hindu Phenomenon, =93the concept >of secular nationalism more or less divorced from the country's >cultural heritage could not have been a viable proposition." It >was not. And it is only now that people are coming to realise >it. People find the concept of secularism sterile, ineffective, >self-destroying, Girilal noticed it. He saw with great clarity, >the shape of things to come. He understood as few after him have >understood, the Hindu denies his Hindu-ness? For the Hindu, self- >renewal was an impossibility under the deadening hold of the >secular ideology. That ideology had to be discarded lock, stock >and barrel - and the process has begun. One cannot renew Hinduism >if one does not accept its reality. Secularism denies Hinduism's >existence. It has to go. But can a Hindu state be flair? > >Here I quote Girilal again: 'In the Hindu view, the state has to >be an expression of the Hindu ethos and personality. Such a state >cannot either discriminate against any religions group or seek to >impose a uniform pattern on the inhabitants. Indeed it would feel >obliged to look after their well-being and the preservation of >their way of life. But the state would see itself as an >instrument for the promotion of Hindu civilisation". > >Girilal saw secularism as equivalent to "the moral disarmament of >the Hindus". As he saw it, "the Muslim problem would not have >remained wholly unresolved if we had not misdefined the nature of >the Indian state." But let it be stated once again: in 1947 >secularism was vital to India, for law and order, for peace and >for stability. What we should also realise is that in 1997, fifty >years later, secularism has become deadwood, an impediment to >progress. > >We, Indians, are a people, primarily by virtue of the continuity >and coherence of our civilisation which has survived all shocks. >Girilal wrote: "And though inevitably weakened as a result of >foreign invasions, conquests and rule for almost a Whole >millenium, it is once again ready to resume its march". > >That is the meaning and significance of recent BJP successes; it >is immaterial whether in the end, the BJP comes to power or not, >but it has become the instrument of social change and there is no >getting away from it. That is the essence of Hindutva, no matter >how many stones are thrown at it. But the question may well be >asked: how can one pick up the thread where it was broken by >Islamic rule? Can one go ten steps backward to go one step >forward? Others will legitimately ask: what is the Hinduism we >are going back to? The Hinduism that permitted sati, the Hinduism >of Brahmin ascendancy? Many such questions will naturally arise. >And they have to be faced. Hinduism is not without its manifold >faults. But Hinduism has a built-in self-renewal mechanism that >not many have given any credit to. Had there been no Islamic >presence, had the British never come to India and ruled over us, >we probably would have had more liberated society than what we >have even now? In many ways Islamic rule led to Hindus getting >into their shells and preserving their rituals if only to >maintain their sense of identity. Hinduism is not dogmatic. Only >Hinduism could have produced great reformers like the Buddha and >in latter times the great Basava. > >India - and Hindus - are at the threshold of great changes. >Changes don't come easily; sometimes the process can be very >messy. It can even be accompanied by violence. That is all the >more reason why there is an urgent need to understand the process >of history as we see it unrolling. All that our intellectuals can >do is to debunk Hindutva and heap abuse on those who proclaim it, >to win the plaudits of the Maulvis and the imams. They are >playing with a force they have made no effort to understand. The >quest for a great past has begun, and will continue with many >Stop-Go signs on the way. When a great people, heirs to a great >past, wish to make an effort to discover themselves, let none >come in their way. Let it be remembered that those who laugh >last, laugh best. > _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Mon Feb 2 01:46:31 1998 Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 22:40:09 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Announcement : New Website : Hindu Books Universe Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Global Hindu Electronic Newtworks (GHEN) is pleased to announce a new website devoted to books and publications about Hindu dharma and current issues relevent to Hindus. This virtual home of Hindu authors and books is Hindu Books Universe Hindu Books Universe may be accessed at : http://www.hindunet.org/books/ The salient features of Hindu Books Universe are as follows : 1. Complete text of about 75 books (currently only English, others to be added), including links to some external resources fully categorized into sections such as scriptures, introduction, history, current issues, children's books including Amar Chitra Katha, art and literature, etc. Several well known authors are featured on this website. 2. Links to Hindu magazines and periodicals 3. Links to related book publishers and sellers including various Ashrams that publish books 4. An interactive forum "Book Talk" 5. Bookstore, in collaboration with Amazon.com We welcome you to visit and utilize this extensive new resource on Hindu dharma. Global Hindu Electronic Networks (GHEN), a project of Hindu Students Council has several websites devoted to Hindu dharma and India. These include An extensive site on Hindu dharma: The Hindu Universe : http://www.hindunet.org A site devoted to History news and current events in India : FreeIndia : http://www.freeindia.org Extensive Resource and Listing of Hindu/Buddhist/Sikh Temples around the world : Mandir : Hindu Temples Reference Center http://www.hindunet.org/temple_info/ Sanskrit Language Resource : From Samskrita Bharati http://www.hindunet.org/sanskrit (will soon change to http://www.samskrita-bharati.org) Hindu Students Council is the largest organization of Hindu students outside India, with over 50 chapters throughout North America. Its activities are educational, cultural and charity amongst Hindu youth and their communities. HSC website is : http://www.hindunet.org/hsc/ For more information about GHEN, please contact webmaster@hindunet.org For more information about HSC, please contact hsc@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From MJMEHTA@aol.com Mon Feb 2 05:52:38 1998 From: MJMEHTA@aol.com Message-ID: <54588817.34d5a54e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 05:51:56 EST To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Announcement : New Website : Hindu Books Universe Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Dear Ajay: Excellent work. Regards Mahesh _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Pallod@aol.com Tue Feb 3 08:38:03 1998 From: Pallod@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:31:20 EST To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Announcement : New Website : Hindu Books Universe Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org I am very pleased to know about this new project. I think we should let the entire world know. Why don't we send a press release to all major newspapers. Please let me know. Vijay Pallod _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From YLakra@aol.com Tue Feb 3 22:26:03 1998 From: YLakra@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 22:21:29 EST To: vhpgc-l@Hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Letter from the president Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 86 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Dear friends, namaste from Yash Pal. Thanks to all of you who wrote encouraging response to my previous communication. However, I do wish the resoponse was more than what I got. Only about six persons acknowledged the letter in some form. None of them answered or tackled the issues raised by me. If this medium is going to be an effective means of communication we should raise and tackle all the issues affecting Hindus in this country and how VHP should be handling those issues. Lack of communication has been brought out as one of the most outstanding issues in our organization. I hope all of you will join in this debate and use this forum to discuss the all the outstanding concerns on your mind or you hear others discussing them. I will like to hear about celebrating Hindu heritage day by every chapter. Please take a clue from this and share your views with others. Hoping to hear from all of you. Yash Pal Lakra. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From mihir@eyepiece.com Sun Feb 8 19:52:37 1998 Message-Id: <199802090052.TAA16969@www10.clever.net> From: "Mihir Meghani" To: "VHP GC List" Subject: HSC's Community Action Network Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 19:36:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 X-MimeOle: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Dear Friends, Namaste. This message is to introduce you to 1998 plans for one of your HSC projects - CAN (Community Action Network). If you would like to get involved, offer suggestions, or ask questions, please email hsc-can@hindunet.org Community Action Network (CAN) plan for 1998 Team: Mihir Meghani (Coordinator) Vinod Nair Sandeep Vaishnavi Rajiv Pandit Priya Sreenivasan Rahul Pandit Madhukar Murthi Anand Parekh Ajay Shah Kris Vezner Vision: To address issues affecting issues of bigotry, discrimination, or violence against Hindus worldwide Goals: To begin to establish a Hindu voice in the American and Canadian media To present a Hindu youth's agenda to public officials of the US and Canada, and to the American, Indian-American, and Hindu-American media To raise money for Kashmiri refugees To develop a scholarship for students who want to do a legal internship To establish a system where information about issues that need to be addressed can rapidly be disseminated to the local level of HSC To develop a team of workers who will help develop CAN over the next 3 years To play a major role in AHADC (American Hindu Anti-Defamation Coalition) To encourage HSC chapters to educate people about issues affecting us To develop our web presence Plan: 1) Develop an HSC agenda. The team will come up with issues and stands which will represent the broad concensus of HSC and stay within our vision and goals. This agenda will include Hindu specific issues like our stand on Kashmir, and may include stands on issues in the US and Canada such as Christian fundamentalism in politics, immigration, education, and prayer in schools. This will be sent to American and Canadian public officials, and the media (American, Indian-American, Indian, and Hindu-American). 2) Meet with local media and public officials in 5 cities to be determined. We will work with the media team on this. The agenda will be discussed with people at these meetings. 3) Have at least one fundraising program for Kashmiri refugees and perhaps use the money for scholarships. 4) Finalize and implement a plan for a legal internship. 5) Develop an infrastructure so that we have a sytem to rapidly disseminate information and a response to an issue HSC takes up through CAN in a timely manner. CAN will work hand in hand with the AHADC. 6) Encourage each HSC chapter to have one discussion or speaker on an issue HSC has taken up. 7) Enlist workers from the chapter level to work in CAN with the help of the regional activities team. 8) Update information on our web site and increase awareness of the site. ----- CAN Coordinator hsc-can@hindunet.org Mihir Meghani, M.D. email: mihir@hindunet.org addr: PO Box 250304, West Bloomfield, MI 48325-0304 USA fax: 248.442.7204 _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From MJMEHTA@aol.com Mon Feb 9 05:29:32 1998 From: MJMEHTA@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 05:28:22 EST To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: HSC's Community Action Network Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Dear Mihir: Excellent agenda. Regards Mahesh Mehta _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ragarwal@mednet.med.miami.edu Mon Feb 9 09:40:48 1998 From: ragarwal@mednet.med.miami.edu Date: Mon, 09 Feb 98 09:50:29 EST Message-Id: <9801098870.AA887045967@mednet.med.miami.edu> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: HSC's Community Action Network X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Dear Mihir; I congratulate you Mihir for putting such a well defined program. Wishing you the best. Ram Prakash Agarwal ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: HSC's Community Action Network Author: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org at SMTPMED Date: 2/8/98 8:03 PM Dear Friends, Namaste. This message is to introduce you to 1998 plans for one of your HSC projects - CAN (Community Action Network). If you would like to get involved, offer suggestions, or ask questions, please email hsc-can@hindunet.org Community Action Network (CAN) plan for 1998 Team: Mihir Meghani (Coordinator) Vinod Nair Sandeep Vaishnavi Rajiv Pandit Priya Sreenivasan Rahul Pandit Madhukar Murthi Anand Parekh Ajay Shah Kris Vezner Vision: To address issues affecting issues of bigotry, discrimination, or violence against Hindus worldwide Goals: To begin to establish a Hindu voice in the American and Canadian media To present a Hindu youth's agenda to public officials of the US and Canada, and to the American, Indian-American, and Hindu-American media To raise money for Kashmiri refugees To develop a scholarship for students who want to do a legal internship To establish a system where information about issues that need to be addressed can rapidly be disseminated to the local level of HSC To develop a team of workers who will help develop CAN over the next 3 years To play a major role in AHADC (American Hindu Anti-Defamation Coalition) To encourage HSC chapters to educate people about issues affecting us To develop our web presence Plan: 1) Develop an HSC agenda. The team will come up with issues and stands which will represent the broad concensus of HSC and stay within our vision and goals. This agenda will include Hindu specific issues like our stand on Kashmir, and may include stands on issues in the US and Canada such as Christian fundamentalism in politics, immigration, education, and prayer in schools. This will be sent to American and Canadian public officials, and the media (American, Indian-American, Indian, and Hindu-American). 2) Meet with local media and public officials in 5 cities to be determined. We will work with the media team on this. The agenda will be discussed with people at these meetings. 3) Have at least one fundraising program for Kashmiri refugees and perhaps use the money for scholarships. 4) Finalize and implement a plan for a legal internship. 5) Develop an infrastructure so that we have a sytem to rapidly disseminate information and a response to an issue HSC takes up through CAN in a timely manner. CAN will work hand in hand with the AHADC. 6) Encourage each HSC chapter to have one discussion or speaker on an issue HSC has taken up. 7) Enlist workers from the chapter level to work in CAN with the help of the regional activities team. 8) Update information on our web site and increase awareness of the site. ----- CAN Coordinator hsc-can@hindunet.org Mihir Meghani, M.D. email: mihir@hindunet.org addr: PO Box 250304, West Bloomfield, MI 48325-0304 USA fax: 248.442.7204 _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajayshah@rocketmail.com Mon Feb 9 20:16:25 1998 Message-ID: <19980210012043.15296.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 17:20:43 -0800 (PST) From: Ajay Shah Subject: Re: Announcement : New Website : Hindu Books Universe To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit namaskar, Sorry for the delay in response. Please coordinate with Anand Parikh and send the press release. thanks ajay === Please note that my e-mail address is : ajay@hindunet.org ---Pallod@aol.com wrote: > > I am very pleased to know about this new project. I think we should let the > entire > world know. Why don't we send a press release to all major newspapers. > > Please let me know. > > > Vijay Pallod > > _____________________________ > For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From MJMEHTA@aol.com Wed Feb 11 05:34:55 1998 From: MJMEHTA@aol.com Message-ID: <8b6eebcb.34e17ea9@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 05:34:15 EST To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Letter from the president Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Dear Yashpalji: Saprem Namaste Over the past 25 years VHPA has been quite succeesful in net-working with the Hindus of America. However, we still need to find a mechanism of involving more people in the actual process of awakening people for our cause. I am searching for this. Are we not able to deliver our message ? Is the message not clear enough for generating action ? Is it because people in general do not see any need for a proactive life ? One appeal in USA has been to save the cultural traits in youths. I think we have done a pretty good job in this area. Hindu Heritage Day should be promoted with vigor to get people involved in our process. HHD program structure and contents must be made very attractive and challenging the participants for involvement in the process. Regards Mahesh Mehta _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Anshug@aol.com Thu Feb 12 17:36:42 1998 From: Anshug@aol.com Message-ID: <2a73055a.34e37975@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:36:35 EST To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: HSC's Community Action Network Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Dear Mihir, Good work but nothing less is expected from you and your generation. Keep up the good work and we will try to get better with our communication skills. We are new to this and lazy on the top of it but I guess we can still use the excuse of getting old. with love Pushpa & Ram Goswami _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From srtiwari@hotmail.com Thu Feb 12 22:45:40 1998 Message-ID: <19980213034502.27462.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [170.140.251.189] From: "shyam tiwari" To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Mother Teressa in IHRF letter Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 19:45:02 PST X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Namaste Recently, some of us in Atlanta received a letter from IHRF soliciting additional funds needed for the Encyclopedia of Hinduism project. It is an excellent cause which we have continuously supported. This letter also contains two pages of blessings from great personalities like Dalai Lama, Shri Satya Saibaba, Sankaracharya and many more with their pictures above the blessing. However there is one exception to this i.e. the picture of Mother Teressa without any message. Many people have raised these questions and I am simply trying to convey it to you for wider discussion and action if needed. 1. What is the purpose of her picture being printed without receiving any kind of blessing or message for this cause? 2. What role she has played in Encyclopedia project? 3. What had been her contribution to the Hindu society and Sanatan Dharma in particular that has earned her this kind of respect? There are and might be many more questions but these are the basic questions. Regards Shyam Tiwari ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From YLakra@aol.com Fri Feb 13 00:51:05 1998 From: YLakra@aol.com Message-ID: <3a486274.34e3df48@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 00:51:02 EST To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Mother Teressa in IHRF letter Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 86 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org I have not seen this brochure. I guess as usual, the Hindus are trying to prove to others, their "broad minded ness". Yash Pal Lakra. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From MJMEHTA@aol.com Fri Feb 13 05:33:29 1998 From: MJMEHTA@aol.com Message-ID: <88c85010.34e4216c@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 05:33:14 EST To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Mother Teressa in IHRF letter Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org What is IHRF ? What is our connection ? Mahesh Mehta _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Jitendra_Goel@qmail4.nba.TRW.COM Fri Feb 13 10:14:46 1998 Message-ID: Date: 13 Feb 1998 07:09:56 -0700 From: "Jitendra Goel" Subject: Re: Mother Teressa in IHRF l To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.3d2 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 RE>Mother Teressa in IHRF letter 2/13/98 Dear Shyam Ji, I am glad that you share my views on this subject. Her only contribution to Sanatan Dharma has been that she has converted thousands of them into Christianity. She was not as great a person or such a great saint as she was made to believe. . I feel that her picture should be taken out. Regards Jitendra -------------------------------------- Date: 2/12/98 8:07 PM To: Jitendra Goel From: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namaste Recently, some of us in Atlanta received a letter from IHRF soliciting additional funds needed for the Encyclopedia of Hinduism project. It is an excellent cause which we have continuously supported. This letter also contains two pages of blessings from great personalities like Dalai Lama, Shri Satya Saibaba, Sankaracharya and many more with their pictures above the blessing. However there is one exception to this i.e. the picture of Mother Teressa without any message. Many people have raised these questions and I am simply trying to convey it to you for wider discussion and action if needed. 1. What is the purpose of her picture being printed without receiving any kind of blessing or message for this cause? 2. What role she has played in Encyclopedia project? 3. What had been her contribution to the Hindu society and Sanatan Dharma in particular that has earned her this kind of respect? There are and might be many more questions but these are the basic questions. Regards Shyam Tiwari ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by qmail4.sp.trw.com with ADMIN;12 Feb 1998 20:05:51 -0700 Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) id WAA01008; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 22:45:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19980213034502.27462.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [170.140.251.189] From: "shyam tiwari" To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Mother Teressa in IHRF letter Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 19:45:02 PST X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From cbanerj@ccs.neu.edu Fri Feb 13 10:17:27 1998 From: Chandan Bandopadhyay Message-Id: <199802131517.KAA18295@denali.ccs.neu.edu> Subject: Re: Mother Teressa in IHRF letter To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 10:17:24 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <88c85010.34e4216c@aol.com> from "MJMEHTA@aol.com" at Feb 13, 98 05:33:14 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org IHRF Stands for India Heritage Research Foundation, established by Muni Chidanandji which is the publisher of the Encyclopedia. I have not seen it either. Regards, Kanchan h s' > > What is IHRF ? What is our connection ? > Mahesh Mehta > > _____________________________ > For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > > _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Babu.Gandhi@trw.com Fri Feb 13 11:51:22 1998 Message-ID: Date: 13 Feb 1998 08:40:33 -0700 From: "Babu Gandhi" Subject: Re: Mother Teressa in IHRF l To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; Name="Message Body" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Message Body" X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org 2/12/98 8:31 AM RE>Mother Teressa in IHRF letter Shyamji, We had similar incident in Los Angeles where Hindu Temple was raising money for her ( I don't want to write name in the early morning). I think = we are too much broad minded to be called-------. Thanks for bringing to notice. However what is IHRF? How can we correct it? By withdrawing remainig ? In L. A. we cotacted TEMPLE and try to stop as much we could. Babubhai Gandhi ------------------------------ Date: 2/12/98 8:08 PM To: Gandhi, Babu From: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namaste Recently, some of us in Atlanta received a letter from IHRF soliciting additional funds needed for the Encyclopedia of Hinduism project. It is an excellent cause which we have continuously supported. This letter also contains two pages of blessings from great personalities like Dalai Lama, Shri Satya Saibaba, Sankaracharya and many more with their pictures above the blessing. However there is one exception to this i.e. the picture of Mother Teressa without any message. Many people have raised these questions and I am simply trying to convey it to you for wider discussion and action if needed. 1. What is the purpose of her picture being printed without receiving any kind of blessing or message for this cause? 2. What role she has played in Encyclopedia project? 3. What had been her contribution to the Hindu society and Sanatan Dharma in particular that has earned her this kind of respect? There are and might be many more questions but these are the basic questions. Regards Shyam Tiwari ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: = owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by qmgate.trw.com with ADMIN;12 Feb 1998 20:04:36 -0800 Received: from www10.clever.net by mailhub1.trw.com; Thu, 12 Feb 98 = 20:02:49 -0800 Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) id = WAA00992; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 22:45:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19980213034502.27462.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [170.140.251.189] From: "shyam tiwari" To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Mother Teressa in IHRF letter Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 19:45:02 PST X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajayshah@rocketmail.com Fri Feb 13 14:41:20 1998 Message-ID: <19980213193836.18919.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 11:38:36 -0800 (PST) From: Ajay Shah Subject: Hindu Universe Introduction Section Revised and Updated To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Cc: ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Introduction to Hindu dharma section on the Hindu Universe has now been revised and throughly updated. We have added several new books, including those from eminent authors such as Dr. David Frawley and Shree Bansi Pandit to our offering. An interactive Q&A forum hosted by Shree Bansi Pandit is also available. To access this section : http://www.hindunet.org/introduction/ regards, ajay shah === Please note that my e-mail address is : ajay@hindunet.org _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From mihir@eyepiece.com Fri Feb 13 19:36:40 1998 Message-Id: <199802140036.TAA02881@www10.clever.net> From: "Mihir Meghani" To: Subject: Re: HSC's Community Action Network Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 19:35:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 X-MimeOle: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Thanks .. it is so nice to hear from you over the net ... talk to you later ... I leave for Puerto Rico tomorrow for one week. -----Original Message----- From: Anshug@aol.com To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Date: Thursday, February 12, 1998 4:51 PM Subject: Re: HSC's Community Action Network >Dear Mihir, > >Good work but nothing less is expected from you and your generation. Keep up >the good work and we will try to get better with our communication skills. We >are new to this and lazy on the top of it but I guess we can still use the >excuse of getting old. > >with love > >Pushpa & Ram Goswami > >_____________________________ >For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > > _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From nandsharma@algw2.lucent.com Fri Feb 13 20:44:41 1998 Message-ID: From: "Sharma, Nand K (Nand)" To: "'vhpgc-l@hindunet.org'" Subject: RE: Mother Teressa in IHRF letter Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 14:41:28 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Shyamji: You have excellent questions re. Mother Teresa's picture in the IHRF newsletter. Why not ask these questions of the IHRF contacts/solicitors, and get some clarification. It does seem odd that people who are working on creating an encyclopedia of Hinduism failed to see this issue of relevance of Mother Teresa's picture in their literature. With regards and best wishes. Brotherly, Nand Kishore >---------- >From: shyam tiwari[SMTP:srtiwari@hotmail.com] >Sent: Thursday, February 12, 1998 10:45 PM >To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >Subject: Mother Teressa in IHRF letter > >Namaste > >Recently, some of us in Atlanta received a letter from IHRF soliciting >additional funds needed for the Encyclopedia of Hinduism project. It is >an excellent cause which we have continuously supported. This letter >also contains two pages of blessings from great personalities like Dalai >Lama, Shri Satya Saibaba, Sankaracharya and many more with their >pictures above the blessing. However there is one exception to this i.e. >the picture of Mother Teressa without any message. Many people have >raised these questions and I am simply trying to convey it to you for >wider discussion and action if needed. >1. What is the purpose of her picture being printed without receiving >any kind of blessing or message for this cause? >2. What role she has played in Encyclopedia project? >3. What had been her contribution to the Hindu society and Sanatan >Dharma in particular that has earned her this kind of respect? >There are and might be many more questions but these are the basic >questions. > >Regards > >Shyam Tiwari > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >_____________________________ >For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > > > _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Pallod@aol.com Sat Feb 14 17:05:28 1998 From: Pallod@aol.com Message-ID: <265fac1b.34e61526@aol.com> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 17:05:24 EST To: hsc-pr@hindunet.org Cc: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Fwd: Who Assasinated Gandhi? Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_887493924_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_887493924_boundary Content-ID: <0_887493924@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part0_887493924_boundary Content-ID: <0_887493924@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Pallod@aol.com Return-path: To: AJAY@HINDUNET.ORG Cc: Starpipe2@aol.com Subject: Who Assasinated Gandhi? Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 16:37:09 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Associated press yestedays report form New Delhi says " The BJP is ploitcal successor of a decades old Hindu movement called the National Volunteer Corps, whose leaders argued that Mohandas gandhi's independence movement resulted in the partition in 1947 of British colonial India into Islamic Pakistan and Hindu dominated India." "A Volunteer Corps gunman assasinated Gandhi in 1948, and nearly 17000 corps were accused of conspiring in the murder. In 1951, with the Corps discredited and ineffective, Indians who shared its philosophy formed the BJP, or Indian People's forum." I strongly feel that above statement is not true and very damaging to our orgonization. We should protest strongly. I would like to get others input. Associated press phone is 212-621-1500 and Editor for internatinal desk name is Tom Kent. They do not have e-mail address. Fax number is 212-2621-5449 Vijay K. Pallod, Houston TX --part0_887493924_boundary-- _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From pandyahc@juno.com Sat Feb 14 21:29:46 1998 To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 17:02:59 -0500 Subject: Re: Mother Teressa in IHRF letter Message-ID: <19980214.212444.3382.1.pandyahc@juno.com> References: <19980213034502.27462.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2 From: pandyahc@juno.com (Harish C Pandya) X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Shaym Ji I agree with you. Harish Pandya _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From pandyahc@juno.com Sat Feb 14 21:59:13 1998 To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 21:30:01 -0500 Subject: Re: Fwd: Who Assasinated Gandhi? Message-ID: <19980214.215350.3382.4.pandyahc@juno.com> References: <265fac1b.34e61526@aol.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-4 From: pandyahc@juno.com (Harish C Pandya) X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Vijay Ji, Nameste. Your information is good but in which paper you read it. How we can take any stand on this information. Harish Pandya _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From HHParikh@aol.com Sat Feb 14 22:37:40 1998 From: HHParikh@aol.com Message-ID: <88ccd6ba.34e662df@aol.com> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 22:37:01 EST To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hindu Universe Introduction Section Revised and Updated Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Very happy to hear from you about update on Hindu Universe Intro. As per my talk with you on emporium books I will forward it to you shortly. Hasit _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From HHParikh@aol.com Sat Feb 14 22:55:14 1998 From: HHParikh@aol.com Message-ID: <52f6ca85.34e666fc@aol.com> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 22:54:34 EST To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Letter from the president Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org It was nice to hear from you on internet. I am not as regular with this new media and hope to learn more and utilize for improvement in communication. From connecticut we have now restarted BalVihar activity in Glastonbury area. At present we have 15 childrens (ages 8 to 11). Parents are taking very active role. With this activity new parents will provide leadership (some senior members will provide training to support this activity). At present children meets once a month but plan to meet twice a month from mid March 98. If any VHP chapter or community organinaton can share their experience so we may provide improvements for future. Camp activity is under planning stage and will keep you informed. Also plan to hold tals or satsang with visiting guests from Bharat or USA. Best Regards. Hasit _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From MJMEHTA@aol.com Sun Feb 15 07:05:48 1998 From: MJMEHTA@aol.com Message-ID: <308f84e7.34e6da0d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 07:05:31 EST To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Letter from the president Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Dear Hasitbhai: Bal Vihar and Camp activities are very important aspects of our work in USA. I am happy to learn that you are active in these areas. Regards Mahesh Mehta _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From MJMEHTA@aol.com Sun Feb 15 07:28:22 1998 From: MJMEHTA@aol.com Message-ID: <7b406879.34e6df38@aol.com> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 07:27:34 EST To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Who Assasinated Gandhi? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Dear Vijay: In which news media you have seen this item ? Also please resend the fax number, you have typed additional digit. Thanks Mahesh Mehta _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Pallod@aol.com Sun Feb 15 09:06:41 1998 From: Pallod@aol.com Message-ID: <1f0831f3.34e6f66a@aol.com> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 09:06:32 EST To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Who Assasinated Gandhi? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org This new came from wire service(one of the largest ) Associated Press. Phone number is 212-621-1500. editor for international desk - Tom Kent 212-621-5449. They do not have emial address. It is very easy to reach them on the phone. Please note that mojor newspapers in US and other countries subscribe AP. Two years ago Former Ambassador(sidharth Ray) made similar comments in Houston. Susheem Mehta was sitting at the front row he got up and strongly protested. Later ambassador confirmed tht he was wrong. I have discussed with Indian journalists they advised me that we should stongly protest in writing. I have called Shyam Parandeji in New Delhi to investigate. Thanks for your comment _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From YLakra@aol.com Sun Feb 15 21:53:40 1998 From: YLakra@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 21:53:04 EST To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Letter from the president Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 86 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Dear Hasit Bhai, thanks for the response. Keep ;the good work. Regards. Yash. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From srtiwari@hotmail.com Sun Feb 15 22:04:22 1998 Message-ID: <19980216030344.4240.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [170.140.251.22] From: "shyam tiwari" To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Who Assasinated Gandhi? and IHRF Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 19:03:42 PST X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Namste! I think this constitutes a libelious slander. The best would be for BJP to take legal action against AP. We can write letters of protest in our individual capacity. Also Please note the contact name and number for IHRF(India Heritage and Research Foundation) President: Shri Radhu M. Agrawal, MD Tel: (412)733-1118 Fax: (412)733-2224 email: ihrfhq@westol.com Regards Shyam Tiwari >From ghen@www10.clever.net Sun Feb 15 06:15:20 1998 >Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) id JAA15870; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 09:06:44 -0500 (EST) >From: Pallod@aol.com >Message-ID: <1f0831f3.34e6f66a@aol.com> >Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 09:06:32 EST >To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Subject: Re: Who Assasinated Gandhi? >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 >X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > >This new came from wire service(one of the largest ) Associated Press. >Phone number is 212-621-1500. >editor for international desk - Tom Kent 212-621-5449. >They do not have emial address. It is very easy to reach them on the phone. > >Please note that mojor newspapers in US and other countries subscribe AP. >Two years ago Former Ambassador(sidharth Ray) made similar comments in >Houston. Susheem >Mehta was sitting at the front row he got up and strongly protested. Later >ambassador >confirmed tht he was wrong. I have discussed with Indian journalists they >advised >me that we should stongly protest in writing. I have called Shyam Parandeji in >New Delhi to investigate. > >Thanks for your comment > >_____________________________ >For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ragarwal@mednet.med.miami.edu Mon Feb 16 11:41:40 1998 From: ragarwal@mednet.med.miami.edu Date: Mon, 16 Feb 98 11:51:42 EST Message-Id: <9801168876.AA887658009@mednet.med.miami.edu> To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re[2]: Mother Teressa in IHRF letter X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Shyam Ji, Who has put this advertisement, IHRF or some oneelse on behalf of IHRF. The best thing will be to have this matter clarified from IHRF itself. Ram Prakash ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: RE: Mother Teressa in IHRF letter Author: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org at SMTPMED Date: 2/13/98 8:48 PM Shyamji: You have excellent questions re. Mother Teresa's picture in the IHRF newsletter. Why not ask these questions of the IHRF contacts/solicitors, and get some clarification. It does seem odd that people who are working on creating an encyclopedia of Hinduism failed to see this issue of relevance of Mother Teresa's picture in their literature. With regards and best wishes. Brotherly, Nand Kishore >---------- >From: shyam tiwari[SMTP:srtiwari@hotmail.com] >Sent: Thursday, February 12, 1998 10:45 PM >To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >Subject: Mother Teressa in IHRF letter > >Namaste > >Recently, some of us in Atlanta received a letter from IHRF soliciting >additional funds needed for the Encyclopedia of Hinduism project. It is >an excellent cause which we have continuously supported. This letter >also contains two pages of blessings from great personalities like Dalai >Lama, Shri Satya Saibaba, Sankaracharya and many more with their >pictures above the blessing. However there is one exception to this i.e. >the picture of Mother Teressa without any message. Many people have >raised these questions and I am simply trying to convey it to you for >wider discussion and action if needed. >1. What is the purpose of her picture being printed without receiving >any kind of blessing or message for this cause? >2. What role she has played in Encyclopedia project? >3. What had been her contribution to the Hindu society and Sanatan >Dharma in particular that has earned her this kind of respect? >There are and might be many more questions but these are the basic >questions. > >Regards > >Shyam Tiwari > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >_____________________________ >For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > > > _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajayshah@rocketmail.com Mon Feb 16 21:16:38 1998 Message-ID: <19980217020833.16904.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 18:08:33 -0800 (PST) From: Ajay Shah Subject: Re: Who Assasinated Gandhi? and IHRF To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I will be out of town on Tuesday, but here is a brief commet. IHRF is basically pro-Hindu. It gave HSC $5000 in donation recently. Most of their proponents are known to VHP/HSC people (not me though) Some of them have been active in some Sangh parivar activity or other in Pittsburgh/Maryland/Virginia area. regards, ajay === Please note that my e-mail address is : ajay@hindunet.org ---shyam tiwari wrote: > > Namste! > > I think this constitutes a libelious slander. The best would be for BJP > to take legal action against AP. We can write letters of protest in our > individual capacity. > > Also Please note the contact name and number for IHRF(India Heritage and > Research Foundation) > > President: Shri Radhu M. Agrawal, MD > Tel: (412)733-1118 > Fax: (412)733-2224 > email: ihrfhq@westol.com > > Regards > > Shyam Tiwari > > >From ghen@www10.clever.net Sun Feb 15 06:15:20 1998 > >Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) id > JAA15870; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 09:06:44 -0500 (EST) > >From: Pallod@aol.com > >Message-ID: <1f0831f3.34e6f66a@aol.com> > >Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 09:06:32 EST > >To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > >Mime-Version: 1.0 > >Subject: Re: Who Assasinated Gandhi? > >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > >Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > >X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 > >X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > >X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > >Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > >This new came from wire service(one of the largest ) Associated Press. > >Phone number is 212-621-1500. > >editor for international desk - Tom Kent 212-621-5449. > >They do not have emial address. It is very easy to reach them on the > phone. > > > >Please note that mojor newspapers in US and other countries subscribe > AP. > >Two years ago Former Ambassador(sidharth Ray) made similar comments in > >Houston. Susheem > >Mehta was sitting at the front row he got up and strongly protested. > Later > >ambassador > >confirmed tht he was wrong. I have discussed with Indian journalists > they > >advised > >me that we should stongly protest in writing. I have called Shyam > Parandeji in > >New Delhi to investigate. > > > >Thanks for your comment > > > >_____________________________ > >For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: > owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > >Comments and questions are welcome, use: > owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > _____________________________ > For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Hemendra.CTR.Acharya@faa.dot.gov Tue Feb 17 10:24:56 1998 X400-Received: by mta MTAdot2 in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 17 Feb 1998 08:22:32 -0500 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 17 Feb 1998 08:22:32 -0500 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 073A934E98F18063-MTAdot2] Content-Identifier: 073A934E98F18063 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Hemendra.CTR.Acharya@faa.dot.gov X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; Message-Id: <073A934E98F18063*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=faa/s=Acharya/g=Hemendra/i=CTR/@MHS> Date: 17 Feb 1998 08:22:32 -0500 From: Hemendra CTR Acharya To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org (IPM Return requested), MJMEHTA@aol.com (IPM Return requested) Subject: Re[2]: Letter from the president X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Dear Hasitbhai, Hindu Vishwa would very much like to have a one to one and half page writeup on Bal Vihar and Camp activities that you are associated with. Thanks. Hemendra ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Letter from the president Author: MJMEHTA@aol.com at Internet Date: 2/15/98 7:17 AM Dear Hasitbhai: Bal Vihar and Camp activities are very important aspects of our work in USA. I am happy to learn that you are active in these areas. Regards Mahesh Mehta _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Yashwant@aol.com Sun Feb 22 19:49:09 1998 From: Yashwant@aol.com Message-ID: <72bebf56.34f0c763@aol.com> Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 19:48:33 EST To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hindu Universe Introduction Section Revised and Updated Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Ajay, I want to introduce Interactive Shreemad Bhagvadgita, version 1.0 on our web site. This is composed by Shri. Sanjiv Malkan, and published by MultiMedia Communications, Inc. Knoxville, TN. The CD contains Gita introduction, Gita Dhyanam, Gita Mahatmyam and all 18 Chapters of presented in a medi-rich interactive format. Slokas are in Sanskrit text with english translation. Shri. Sanjiv Malkan is a Proffesor and research faculty member at Knoxville University. Please let me know how we can introuduce to more people though our net-work. Yashwant. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From strv@cypress.mcsr.olemiss.edu Mon Feb 23 10:41:15 1998 Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:42:54 -0600 (CST) To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: HINDUS FROM AFGHANISTAN Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Rajiv Varma X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "MOHAN S. KASHIKAR" Subject: HINDUS FROM AFGHANISTAN Priya Bandhus: I wish to bring something to your notice. I attended a Valentines day Party hosted by an American Family here. Though the host was that family, the main brain behind this was a Church & an international students association managed by the church. In that function, people from almost all the countries were present, students or other professionals. Most of them were learning english in the classes run by the church. It was specific attempt of the organizers to highlight the blessings of God, goodness of Christianity & so on. I realized it very strongly that, it was a clever attempt to propogate Christianity. They also organize discussions on Bible as well. Students and needy people from poor countries fall easy prey to this propoganda. In this party, I met a Hindu gentleman & his family who are from Afghanistan. They fled the country after Taleban captured Kabul & killed Najibullah last year. He said there were thousands of Hindus who were absolutely insecure and so they fled, 80% to India & the others to Europe or US. In the US, he is staying with his relatives and waiting for political assylum to be granted by the US. He can not work unless he gets political assylum. His situation is very pathetic. He couldnot get any help from Indian Embassy, nor Hindu organizations here. I was surprised to hear that. He attends English classes conducted by the Church. This is very fluid situation. The Church is most likely to take advantage of his condition. He was very keen on associating himself with Hindus and even asked me if I could get him a HINDI copy of the Upanishad. I wished to bring this fact to the notice of all Hindus in the US and urge everybody to think over it and do something collectively. Please let me know if our pariwar is doing anything in this matter and to whom can I direct this Hindu brother so that he gets some help till he settles down? There may be so many Hindus from Afghanistan in US & Europe who are waiting for some help from us. Just today, I read in hrtalk that Taleban Govt has imposed Jiziya on Hindus in Afghanistan. Hindus are happy as it is very nominal & ensures their safety. But how far can you trust these people? Taleban is diehard fanatic group funded & brainwashed by Pak. So Hindus better think twice before rejoicing over this temporary respite. I urge Hindu Sanghathans in the US to provide me information as to how this Hindu Brother from Afghanistan can be helped. Please respond. Dhanyavad. Bhavadiya, _ (_\ \ _______\________________ | | | _| | | | | (_ _______| __|____| | | \_| | \_| | | |__ | <> MOHAN S. KASHIKAR ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tel: (703) 591 3242 (Please contact before 9:30 am (EST) on all days) ##################################################################### _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Tue Feb 24 12:56:03 1998 Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 09:49:12 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: WWW : FreeIndia Announces Interactive Moderated Forums Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FreeIndia.Org an educational and current affairs website announces the introduction of Interactive Moderated forums on current issues. Currently, four theme based forums are available. These are : Elections and Party Politics Defence Foreign Policy Economy These forums are accessible by pointing your browser to : http://www.freeindia.org/forums/ FreeIndia.Org features daily news from India and easy to access links to over 100 categorized India related news resources. The news pages on FreeIndia can be accessed from : http://www.freeindia.org/news/ FreeIndia also features poll on current issues : http://www.freeindia.org/poll/ and live chat : http://www.freeindia.org/chat/ FreeIndia.Org is an educational website dedicated to history and news and current events in India. FreeInda can be accessed through : http://www.freeindia.org FreeIndia.Org is part of Global Hindu Electronic Networks, a project of Hindu Students Council (HSC). HSC is the largest organization of Hindu students outside India, with over 50 chapters in universities across North America. More information about GHEN is available at : http://www.hindunet.org/contact.htm More information about Hindu Students Council is available at : http://www.hindunet.org/hsc/ regards, ajay shah _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Tue Feb 24 12:56:24 1998 Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 09:49:35 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: New Amar Chitra Kathas On FreeIndia Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Global Hindu Electronic Networks (GHEN) announces addition of 11 new Amar Chitra Kathas on its FreeIndia.org site. Amar Chitra Katha is a set of comic books that depict the glorious heritage of India. They are edited by Shree Anant pai With this addition, we now have 21 Amar Chitra Kathas on FreeIndia. To access the Amar Chitra Katha, please point your browser to : http://www.freeindia.org/ack/ The new additions to Amar Chitra Katha on FreeIndia are Shivaji Valmiki Vidyasagar Mirabai Parshuram Pritviraj Chauhan Ganesha Harishchandra Kumbhakarna Draupadi Rana Pratap FreeIndia.Org is an educational website dedicated to history and news and current events in India. FreeInda can be accessed through : http://www.freeindia.org FreeIndia.Org is part of Global Hindu Electronic Networks, a project of Hindu Students Council (HSC). HSC is the largest organization of Hindu students outside India, with over 50 chapters in universities across North America. More information about GHEN is available at : http://www.hindunet.org/contact.htm More information about Hindu Students Council is available at : http://www.hindunet.org/hsc/ regards, ajay shah _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Pallod@aol.com Fri Feb 27 20:51:20 1998 From: Pallod Message-ID: <67560e6f.34f76d78@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 20:50:46 EST To: VHPGC-L@HINDUNET.ORG Cc: SHARAD01@JUNO.COM Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Wall Street Journal - Hinduism Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_888630646_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_888630646_boundary Content-ID: <0_888630646@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII This article has appeared in today's Walls Street Journal front page. This article talks about RSS and VHP(World Hindu Council). Because of elections lots of news covered on RSS and VHP activities. Vijay K. Pallod --part0_888630646_boundary Content-ID: <0_888630646@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: STARPIPE Return-path: To: Pallod@aol.com Cc: Starpipe2@aol.com Subject: Wall Street Article Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 15:18:52 EST Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Polls Show Hindu Nationalist Party Broadens Its Appeal Across India By JONATHAN KARP and MICHAEL WILLIAMS Staff Reporters of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL SUHAWA, India -- Sajjan Singh Chauhan, a 30-year-old wheat farmer, tills his land in this northern village and dreams of helping India become a Hindu nation. Far away, in an office high over Bombay, U.S.-trained management consultant Sanjiv Anand, 38, longs for an India with a vibrant, modern economy. The two men have very little in common, but they are united in their support for a long-scorned political party that is ready to inherit the world's second-most-populous country. Whether or not the Hindu-nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party wins control of Parliament when results start coming in Monday in India's 12th-general election, it is fast becoming the new political establishment. In its 18-year march to reshape this country, the BJP has been building a seemingly incongruous coalition of Indians -- rich and poor, modern and medieval --who are swayed by its appeal to wounded Hindu pride or fed up with corruption and bungling in the old political order. One thing that unites the extremes: the affront BJP supporters feel at Indian Muslims who root for Pakistan in cricket matches against India. A Problem for the U.S. A BJP-led India could prove a tough customer for the U.S. and worsen tensions in a region where, despite rampant poverty and archaic infrastructure, governments continue to spend heavily on defense. The BJP's platform calls for openly declaring India a nuclear-weapons power, a move that would trigger U.S. trade sanctions. On the economic front, the BJP wants to limit foreign investment to infrastructure (power plants and roads, not consumer products) and to protect Indian companies from takeovers by multinationals. The BJP's social agenda is more radical. It wants to declare India a "Hindu state" and unite all Indians according to "the Hindu way of life." BJP critics say that Hindu nationalism is nonsense, because unlike Islam or Christianity, Hinduism has no clear creed, only a panoply of gods and an emphasis on individual prayer. Foes regard the BJP's ideology of "one nation, one people, one culture" as anathema to modern India's foundation as a secular, pluralistic society. India is home to 770 million Hindus, but also to nearly 120 million Muslims, who feel threatened by the BJP's nationalist vision. Acknowledging India's diversity, the BJP is trying to shed a sectarian stigma gained during its campaign in the 1980s to build a Hindu temple at the site of a mosque in north India. That crusade led to the mosque's razing and the worst religious violence here since the 1947 partition that created Hindu-majority India and Muslim-majority Pakistan. So too, the BJP wants to distinguish its image from that of the militant ethnocentric groups that spawned the party-and that some opponents liken to the Nazis. Republican Analogy But the BJP's newfound popularity is perhaps more analogous to the resurgence of the Republican Party in the U.S. in the 1980s and 1990s. The BJP is exploiting the decline of India's once-dominant Congress Party to create a new political center and new terms of debate. Instead of equality, for instance, the BJP talks of equal opportunity for all Indians, thus appealing to Hindus who resent affirmative-action programs for low-caste Indians. The BJP has enormous goodwill among shopkeepers and traders, because it began advocating free-market policies long before India began dismantling socialism in 1991. Sure, it's attracting anti-Muslim bigots, but the BJP is also wooing moderate professional and middle-class Hindus -- and even some Muslims -- who feel that the party is the only viable successor to the Congress Party and the weak leadership of recent years. Which BJP will emerge? If Rameshwarlal Sharma has his way, it will be the party of Hindu chauvinism. Sitting in the lotus position on the cement floor of his office, the 35-year-old former merchant describes his career in the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, or National Volunteer Force, a Hindu-nationalist group that was founded in 1925 and spawned a political movement that coalesced as the BJP in 1980. Mr. Sharma joined the RSS at the age of 12, donning khaki shorts and taking part in daily exercise and catechism drills. In 1992, he helped rally the Hindu mob that tore down the Babri Mosque, which Hindu zealots claimed had been built on the site of a temple to the Hindu god Ram. "That structure was a blot on the nation, and now it has been removed," he says proudly, rubbing his scruffy beard. "I faced police bullets. And when the walls came crashing down, I was buried in the rubble." Stumping for the BJP Mr. Sharma gave up his home-furnishings shop three years ago to become a full-time activist in the World Hindu Council, the religious wing of the RSS family of organizations. He runs a cadre of 200 activists in market towns and farming villages in the state of Rajasthan, building schools and organizing clinics, advocating vegetarianism and erecting Hindu shrines. And in the election campaign, the council has Mr. Sharma and his men stumping for the BJP. But people like Mr. Sharma pose a dilemma for the BJP leadership. Though it is India's largest party, the BJP won less than a third of the seats in Parliament and 20% of the votes cast in the last election, figures that all opinion polls suggest will improve sharply in this vote. So the party is reaching out to Muslims to broaden its support: It boasts of having six Muslim candidates (out of 383 seats it is contesting), and a party leader called the mosque's destruction a "mistake." The problem is that much of the party's support is rooted in anti-Muslim sentiment. The World Hindu Council and other members of the RSS family still form the core of the BJP's election machine, and the party needs activists like Mr. Sharma to extend its reach. It's a strategy that wins votes and divides communities, as can be seen in Suhawa, a village of 350 farm households, roughly half Hindu, half Muslim. Here Mr. Sharma introduces one of his staunchest followers: Sajjan Singh Chauhan, the young wheat farmer here. Mr. Chauhan was actually born Sajan Kathat -- a Muslim. But 10 years ago, he attended a World Hindu Council festival and heard a message that changed his life: He and his fellow villagers weren't really Muslim peasants, a preacher declared, but the converted descendants of Prithviraja Chauhan, a 12th-century Hindu king who waged a losing war against Muslim invaders from Afghanistan. A Glorious Past The revelation of this "lost identity" electrified the young peasant. "I never knew the truth about my forefathers," he says, waving dismissively at his two-room concrete shack. Mr. Chauhan says he embraced Hinduism immediately, took the name Chauhan in honor of the king, and set about proselytizing fellow Muslim villagers. (The council claims to have converted more than 50,000 Muslims to Hinduism in this region over the past 15 years, though the number is impossible to verify.) Soon, Mr. Chauhan says, he was ostracized from family gatherings, and Muslims threw stones at the homes of relatives who live next to the village mosque. These setbacks only stiffened his resolve "to lead a Hindu way of life" -- going to temple on all festivals, for instance, and abandoning Muslim practices such as circumcision for his sons. He joined the local World Hindu Council, which lobbies parents to give their children Hindu names; this month, he spent a week canvassing door-to-door for the BJP. "I agree that India should be a Hindu nation, and the government should be run in accordance with the national religion," he says. Across a dirt road, 30 feet and a world away, lives Mr. Chauhan's 45-year-old brother, Rasul Kathat. Around the time his younger brother took up Hinduism, Mr. Kathat embraced a stricter form of Islam, and he enrolled his children in a Muslim school that missionaries opened a year and a half ago. "It isn't necessary that my brother and I vote for the same party," he says with a frown. The Islamic school, in a white stucco building that flies the Congress Party flag, is run by another member of the family, 21-year-old cousin Asif Khan Kathat. "It's not possible to make this country a Hindu nation," he says, laughing in contempt. "If we started dominating politics, we'd also like India to be a Muslim nation. But that's wishful thinking." Economic Concerns In his Bombay office tower, management consultant Sanjiv Anand has another vision: Piloting India's economy into the next century. He and other urban professionals are critical to India's struggle for prosperity, and they are demanding a greater voice in public affairs. Increasingly, they are turning to the BJP. After voting for the Congress Party in the past two elections, Mr. Anand has had it with economic mismanagement and corruption. "Those guys have run the country into the ground," says Mr. Anand, who earned an M.B.A. from New York University and worked in the U.S. for several years before returning home in 1991 with plans to start a business. When he applied to build a factory to make medical equipment, considered a "high priority" industry by New Delhi, government officials made him traipse from office to office for a year -- a delay caused by his refusal to grease palms, he says. By the time Mr. Anand's investment was approved, the rupee had lost so much of its value that imported parts had become prohibitively expensive and his plans were far less feasible, though he did start up the business. Mr. Anand believes the BJP will create a better working environment because it has been strongly pro-business and, despite its protectionist rhetoric, will have to keep India's markets open because of the country's growing reliance on global trade and investment. Mr. Anand also expresses admiration for the avuncular Atal Bihari Vajpayee, who polls show is India's most respected leader and most popular choice for prime minister. Filling the Void Mr. Vajpayee is considered a moderate, and he is integral to the BJP's drive to fill the large centrist void left by the decline of the Congress Party, which has ruled India for 44 of the past 50 years. After the 1996 election, India's newly assertive lower-caste and regional parties, with the fickle backing of the Congress Party, united in a short-lived coalition government that existed only to keep the BJP out of power. This year, the 73-year-old Mr. Vajpayee has struck his own alliances with regional parties but is still likely to need further help to gain a majority. The question is how long he can restrain Hindu-nationalist firebrands in the party's upper ranks. For nearly five years, no state ruled by the BJP has witnessed major Hindu-Muslim rioting. But right at the top of the BJP's platform is a pledge to build the Ram temple. Mr. Anand dismisses the BJP's Hinduchauvinist line as campaign rhetoric that will prove impossible to implement in pluralistic India. Though his upper-middle-class lifestyle places him among a tiny but growing minority in impoverished India, his religious views are far more typical than the Hinduism espoused by Mr. Sharma, the activist who helped topple the mosque. Mr. Anand visits a temple once a year. His father, a Hindu who was displaced from his birthplace in what is now Pakistan amid the violence of partition, keeps a Koran and a Bible along with Hindu scriptures at his home. Mr. Anand's wife, educated as he was at a Christian school, maintains a Hindu shrine -- which includes a picture of Jesus. "That's Hinduism for me," he says. "Hinduism is the most live-and-let-live religion in the world." Return to top of page Copyright © 1998 Dow Jones & Company, Inc. 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16-bit for Windows sub 41 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org DHARMA SANSAD WHAT IS DHARMA SANSAD ? Dharma Sansad is the apex body of religious and spiritual Heads of the Hindus residing in the Western Hemisphere. WHO IS A HINDU ? Hindus are all those who believe in, practice, or respect the spiritual and religious principles having their origin in Bharat ( India ). Thus Hindus include Jains, Buddhas, Sikhs and people of various religious sects within the Hindu Ethos. VISION OF DHARMA SANSAD Enable the Hindus of the western hemisphere to sustain their religious, spiritual and cultural heritage with on going interactions with Dharma Sansad in a manner that permits them to maintain their diversity while creating a common bond of social fabric. MISSION OF DHARMA SANSAD Develop a unifying vision among Hindus. Develop a Hindu System of Samskaras, traditions and values for a harmonious personal, family and social life. Develop rituals and rites to accept and welcome non-Hindus who come in the Hindu-fold by virtue of marriage , adoption or personal convictions. Establish new traditions for families and society suited for the time and the environment. HOW DHARMA SANSAD WILL OPERATE ? VHP of America or Hindu Heritage Foundation of America will take the initiative to invite all the Heads of Hindu religious and spiritual institutions / organizations to become Honorary Member of Dharma Sansad. Dharma Sansad will meet once a year at a pre-determined location, (preferably in the Ashramas by invitation ) and convenient dates ( preferably on some Hindu auspicious days in August/September of each year. The deliberations of the Dharma Sansad will be presided over by an appointed President ( by rotation). The selection will be done by the members of the Dharma Sansad. The General Secretary of VHPA or HHFA will facilitate the proceedings. The meeting will be of one day duration. The format of the meeting will be as follows. In presence of the Dharma Sansad there will be a joint meeting of the representatives of various Hindu organizations who subscribe to the idea of Dharma Sansad. These representatives will present a status report of the Hindu communities in the western hemisphere. The subject matter will include the issues of religious, cultural and social importance to the Hindu communities. Dharma Sansad will hold a separate session to deliberate on the issues presented by the community representatives. In the concluding session, the President of Dharma Sansad will present some guiding principles and suggest practices to address the issues presented by the representatives. The General Secretary of VHPA/HHFA will provide a follow up mechanism to support the Dharma Sansad. INVITEES TO BE HONORABLE MEMBERS OF DHARMA SANSAD 1. Poojya Swami Dayananda Saraswati Arsh Vidya Pitham 2. Poojya swami satchidanada LOTUS 3. Poojya Swami Jyotirmayananda International Yoga Society 4. Poojya Swami Chidananda( Muniji) Parmarth Niketana 5. Poojya Prmukha Swami Maharaj BSS 6. Poojya Swami Hariprasadji Sokhadawala SS 7. To be Decided ISKON 8. Poojya Swami Prakashananda 9. Poojya Swami Tejomayananda Chinmaya Mission 10 To be Decided Jain 11. To Be Decided Sikh 12. Yogi Hari 13. Poojya Pandurang Dada 14. Poojya Dada Vasvani Sadhu Vasvani centers 15. To Be Decided Ramkrishna Mission 16. To Be decided Vivekananda Vedanta Society 17. Poojya Gurumai 18. Poojya Swami Sivaya Subramuniya Hinduism Today Above is by no means an exhaustive list.We also need to identify names from other countries in the western hemisphere. Please let me know any additional names and organizations. We have not placed any limit to the number of members. The criteria will be interest in our cause. Please let me have your suggestions by March 15, 1998. Regards Mahesh Mehta Chairman: Advisory Board VHP Of America. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From MUKERJS@sterlingdi.com Mon Mar 9 08:10:04 1998 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 08:02:03 -0500 From: Sushim Mukerji To: Mihir@hindunet.org, vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Fwd: Kaushal.Natarajan@divx.com: FWD: NewsAlert Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_CF9BF479.ED8CE285" X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=_CF9BF479.ED8CE285 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline For your information. See how successful U.S. business people actively support the spread of Christianity. We need to learn from them, and win. --=_CF9BF479.ED8CE285 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from ggdns.gg.dupont.com by mhub2.lvs.dupont.com; Sat, 7 Mar 1998 19:55:08 -0500 Received: from stargate3.gg.dupont.com by gg.dupont.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-DNI-7.0.1) id AA02091; Sat, 7 Mar 98 19:51:48 EST Received: from x10.boston.juno.com ([205.231.101.25]) by stargate3.gg.dupont.com via smtpd (for ggdns.sterlingdi.com [52.98.100.100]) with SMTP; 7 Mar 1998 23:52:53 UT Received: (from kaush@juno.com) by x10.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id TpN01371; Sat, 07 Mar 1998 19:54:36 EST Message-Id: <19980307.194015.11686.1.kaush@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,8-9,13-19,21-36,38-41,43-59,61-62,64-78,80-86, 88,90-95,97-100,102-103,105-110,112,114-121,123-126,128-129, 131-139,141-150,152-155,157-166,168-171,173-177,179-187,189-194, 196-201,203-204,206-210,212-218,220-222,224-227,229-236,238-262, 264-266,268-272,274-282,284-285,287-292,294,296-304,306,308, 310-312,314-319,321,323-325,327-349,351-352,354-393,395-397, 399-400,402-411,413-420,422-426,428-429,431-446 Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 20:40:14 -0500 From: KAUSH N RAJAN To: deepak98@juno.com Cc: mukerjs@sterlingdi.com Subject: Kaushal.Natarajan@divx.com: FWD: NewsAlert Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Hi Guys, Though this a long article about Richard Sharp CEO of Circuit City and a successfuly entreprenuer having amassed millions, I want you to realize that most money he had was donated to the Methodist church and christian proselythization organizations like Campus Crusade for Christ. Fact of the matter is I wanted to dispath a profile of a typical successful businessman of America and surely there are several. I have come to the conclusion we hindus are blissfullly unaware of major events and often settle into a comfortable lull. I am also very elated the BJP-VHP-RSS trio have had the courage to stand up for hindus and their culture. Kaush -------------------------------------- Date: 3/3/98 8:11 AM From: NewsAlert Email Account 373 0302 RichmondTimesDis Virginia's Sharp Turns Business Success into ========================================================================== --------- 373 ---------- Richmond Times-Dispatch via Knight-Ridder 03/02/98 17:00 Profile: Divx Virginia's Sharp Turns Business Success into Great Influence Mar. 2--Two years ago when the nation's governors gathered for an educational summit, each was told to bring along a prominent business leader. Gov. George Allen had to pick from a large number of Virginia executives with impressive credentials, but he found the choice easy. He gave the nod to Richard L. Sharp, the chairman and chief executive officer of consumer electronics giant Circuit City Stores Inc. "That's the highest regard I can give to anyone to have to pick one businessman and for me to have picked Rick says a lot about him and my high esteem for him," Allen said. The choice also says a lot about Sharp's standing and influence not only in the business community and in his industry, but also in political, civic and educational circles. Sharp champions his causes, whether they are the growth of Richmond-based Circuit City or the promotion of educational reform. Despite his business and visible civic positions, Sharp is a very private person. (He would not, for example, agree to be interviewed for this article because he sees the whole Circuit City team as the reason for the chain's success rather than himself as an individual. The photographs that accompany this article are file photos from previous interviews.) He doesn't attend many social events, and he doesn't seek the limelight. "He's not a cocktail party kind of guy," said Robert L. Burrus Jr., chairman of the executive committee at McGuire, Woods Battle & Boothe, a Richmond law firm that has been outside counsel for Circuit City for more than a decade. Sharp is uniformly described as a visionary and a competitive innovator who is aggressive and intense. Some associates say he is demanding, distant, and, at times, short with employees. Several detractors declined to be interviewed for this article or asked that their names not be used. Yet they and others use the terms ingenious, innovator, forward thinker, and exceedingly bright in connection with Sharp. He's a technology wizard who loves working with computers. Those qualities have propelled a man from a modest background, who didn't graduate from college, into the rarefied air of a Fortune 500 boardroom. Sharp, 50, is a businessman who's made it largely on his own wits and passion. "He is a leader in the industry and a true visionary," said John Briesch, president of Sony Electronics Inc.'s Consumer Audio-Video Products Group, the largest division within Sony that is one of Circuit City's biggest suppliers. Richard Lee Sharp has led Circuit City through dramatic growth since becoming the chain's president in 1984 and its CEO two years later. Under his leadership, Circuit City has grown from a small chain with sales of around $500 million at roughly 50 stores into one of the nation's largest retailers with annual sales now approaching $9 billion at more than 500 stores. For years, Sharp displayed his fondness for the company by sporting the license plate NVSTNCC (invest in Circuit City). In Richmond, the company has more than 5,600 employees and is the area's third-largest private employer. Sharp also was the mastermind behind Circuit City's used-car superstore concept that has changed the way used cars are sold. In fact, the concept was dubbed "Sharp Motors" internally before CarMax became public. Sharp is a leading force behind the development of a new digital video disc system that could dramatically change the home video industry. "He is the quintessential entrepreneur," said Burrus of McGuire Woods. Sharp also is a major figure in the Richmond area, serving on many corporate and civic boards where he wields considerable power and influence. Members of those boards, including Richmond Renaissance Inc. (a public-private biracial partnership) and discount menswear retailer S&K Famous Brands Inc., say they listen to and often act upon what he suggests. "He is good at challenging management," said Stuart C. Siegel, chairman and CEO at S&K, where Sharp served as a director for nearly a decade. "He is not an individual who takes up space on your board. He becomes very involved and has very strong opinions, most of which are right on target." His influence is seen elsewhere, too. His private foundation donates more than $100,000 annually to various religious, educational, social service and health causes. His church River Road United Methodist was his biggest beneficiary in 1996, receiving $88,200. In politics, Sharp personally contributes large amounts to Republican causes and candidates on the local, state and national level. Circuit City does the same. He served as co-chairman of Allen's transition committee four years ago and personally contributed $20,000 to Gov. Jim Gilmore's recent campaign. Sharp was able to get House Speaker Newt Gingrich to cut the ribbon three years ago at the opening of Circuit City's CarMax used-car lot near Atlanta, which was near Gingrich's district. The two then flew back to Washington together on Circuit City's corporate jet. In many respects, Sharp has achieved the American dream. "Rick is sort of a self-made person," said Clarence L. Townes, executive director of Richmond Renaissance and former Richmond School Board chairman. Sharp was born in 1947 in Washington, and grew up in Alexandria. His father was a federal government worker. Richard graduated from George Washington High School in Alexandria in 1965. "He was just an average Joe," Jacqueline Berkstresser Banister, Class of 1966, said of Sharp. Her husband, Donald, graduated with Sharp. "Richard has always been a nice guy," she said. Sharp played varsity football he was a halfback and participated in two clubs that promoted sports and sportsmanship. David Dixon, the senior class president in 1965, remembers his former classmate as being a good athlete. "He was aggressive and he was a damn good ball player," said Dixon. "He was big and bulky and opened up a lot of holes for us." Sharp dated and eventually married his high school sweetheart, Sherry Croyle. She graduated a year after he did. It was a perfect match, his classmates said. He was a football star, smart and good-looking with dark brown hair. She was a cheerleader and in the choir and in her senior year was crowned football queen and voted "Best Looking." "They were such a cute couple," Banister said. Sharp went to the University of Virginia and roomed with a high school classmate. He was an engineering student but lasted at U.Va. only three semesters, until the end of 1966. Then, during the early years of the Vietnam War, he joined the Air Force. He was stationed at Fort Lee for the last three of his four years in the service, Sharp told The Richmond News Leader in 1984. (The Air Force had a unit at Fort Lee from 1962 to 1982.) While stationed there, he commuted to Williamsburg, where he took computer classes at the College of William and Mary. He left W&M at the end of 1970. Those interviewed don't know why he never finished college. (He received an advanced management program certificate from Harvard University's Business School in 1985.) After leaving W&M, he moved to the Washington area to become a programmer. Five years later, he created a computer services company. In six years, his company had grown to about 300 workers. Sharp sold it in 1981 and stayed on a short while, overseeing operations. He was looking for work when Alan L. Wurtzel came calling. Sharp had met Wurtzel, CEO of what was then called Wards Co. Inc., a few years earlier when Sharp's company sold the Richmond-based chain computerized sales terminals. Sharp joined the chain as executive vice president in late 1982. Less than two years later, he became president of the company that had been renamed Circuit City Stores Inc. In 1986, he was named CEO, and became chairman in 1994. Hyman Meyers, the former chairman and chief executive officer at Richmond-based Heilig-Meyers Co. and a long-term Circuit City board member, said Sharp has made Circuit City what it is today. "He is such a smart fellow and a very able executive," said Meyers, who has retired from Circuit City's board. Sharp is consistently one of the highest paid executives in the Richmond area. While his salary has grown about 8 percent annually on a compounded basis during the past decade, his yearly bonus and stock options boost his earnings. In 1994, for instance, he received a $975,000 bonus at a time when Circuit City sales and earnings were seeing solid double-digit increases. But his bonus fell in 1996 when profits dropped. Sharp's lifestyle has reflected the degree of wealth he has achieved. He and his wife live in western Henrico County in a two-story Colonial home with a swimming pool and tennis court valued at more than $700,000. But they are moving. Sharp is developing the 368-acre Rivergate subdivision just inside the Goochland County line from Henrico, where most lots range in size from two to six acres and in price from $140,000 to $375,000. Sharp will build his home on 26 acres overlooking a man-made lake. Sharp also owns an oceanfront home in a pricey development near Bethany Beach, Del. It is a three-story home with 4,500 square feet of space, a swimming pool and tennis court. The house, completed in 1995, is surrounded by several vacant lots that Sharp also owns. His wealth also has meant he has been able to give his wife unusual gifts. For Christmas one year, Sharp gave her studio recording time in Nashville so she could sing on her own CD. She called the CD "Unconditional Love," said the Rev. Samuel E. NeSmith, pastor of River Road United Methodist Church where the Sharps attend. Sharp drives a Porsche and owns a speedboat, his friends say. Once, while at a meeting on the West Coast, he took a ride in a jet boat that traveled about 150 miles per hour, said Bob Baird, a senior vice president at Montgomery Wards Co. who worked for Circuit City as general manager of West Coast operations from 1989 to 1994. Sharp also took some of the company's executives to a drag racing school a few years ago, a former employee said. "He likes anything to do with speed," Baird said. "He enjoys the thrill." Sharp also loves competition. In fact, his friends and business associates say, he thrives on it professionally and personally. So it is no wonder, many say, that he is now running one of the country's largest retailers. "Rick competes to win," said Bernard Andrews, who was Circuit City's executive vice president from 1990 to 1994. "He is very intense and very focused about it," said Andrews, who now is president and CEO of Eye Care Centers of America Inc., a chain of optical superstores based in San Antonio, Texas. Another former Circuit City executive said Sharp is fast-paced. "He is a very high-energy person." That strong competitiveness and intensity are apparent in Sharp's style of running Circuit City and CarMax. Sharp wants both companies to win, but that doesn't mean just having the highest sales or the largest number of stores. He looks at all aspects of winning in the retail world, including market share, profits and the price of the stock. "One of the things I admire most about Rick Sharp is his serious commitment to preserving and enhancing shareholder value," said Ursula Moran, a retail analyst with Sanford C. Bernstein & Co. in New York. "He takes that commitment seriously, while many CEOs don't." Sharp has developed a successful strategy for Circuit City. While other chains in the consumer electronics industry have reported losses or small profits in recent years, for instance, Circuit City is making money, albeit smaller profits than during the robust times of a few years ago. In fact, rival Best Buy Co. Inc. has changed some of its operating strategies during the past year to copy Circuit City's. The same thing is happening to Circuit City's CarMax division. Imitators are opening huge used-car lots across the country. CarMax's biggest threat comes from billionaire entrepreneur H. Wayne Huizenga, who has opened more than two dozen AutoNation lots and bought new-car dealerships in the past couple of years. While some may think this mimicking flattering, those who know Sharp say he is frustrated that his concepts have been copied by competitors. He is very protective of information about Circuit City and its divisions. Sharp doesn't contain his glee when one of his competitors blunders, either. In a December conference call, for instance, Sharp pointed out to stock analysts the problems plaguing rival Nobody Beats the Wiz, which had filed for bankruptcy protection and is closing stores. The New Jersey-based chain operates mostly in the New York City area, a market Circuit City entered during the past year. Sharp works long hours and expects his executives and other workers to do the same, former and current employees say. "He is a person who is very competitive, very intellectual and very confident in his own opinion and point of views and wants to be very successful," Montgomery Wards' Baird said. "He knows what he wants and he knows how he wants to get there." Sharp's determination was seen in the mid-1980s when he fought to clear his name of insider trading charges brought by the Securities and Exchange Commission. He refused a settlement and was acquitted in federal court in 1986. Likewise, Sharp has fought a racial discrimination suit against Circuit City brought by several current and former African-American employees. A federal court jury in December 1996 found that the company discriminated against blacks in promotions and assignments at its headquarters. The company is appealing the decision, and Sharp has repeatedly denied the allegations. However, Sharp did not testify at the trial, said Joseph M. Sellers, the lead lawyer representing the employees who filed suit. "I would have thought that, with the kinds of serious allegations (contained in the suit), he would have wanted to address them in a public forum," Sellers said. Sharp is persistent in pursuing his long-term goals for his company. "He is thinking about Circuit City beyond the next century," Andrews said. One of his innovations was CarMax, the used-car superstore chain that now has 17 lots across the country. The first one opened on West Broad Street in 1993, about five years after Sharp came up with the idea. Another Sharp concept is the digital video disc and player system called [Divx]. Last fall Circuit City announced it expects to invest $130 million by mid-1998 in Digital Video Express, giving it a 66 percent ownership of the company developing [Divx]. Sharp was a force behind developing the new system, several insiders said. "He was thinking about this when the rest of us were thinking about just selling VCRs," one source said. The new player and encrypted digital video disc, however, have put Sharp in a difficult position within the consumer electronics industry. In a sense, he is developer, manufacturer and retailer for the same product. At a consumer electronics trade show in Las Vegas in January, for instance, Sharp was promoting the new [Divx] product to other retailers, including Best Buy, and suppliers. It certainly is an untraditional role for a retailer, Sony's Briesch said. (Sony hasn't decided if it will be involved in [Divx], he said.) "But he is thinking outside of the box in his approach to this business," he said. "Clearly (he is) willing to take on a challenge." Sharp also invites competition in sports, particularly in tennis and basketball. It is not unusual after a long and exhausting meeting for Sharp to round up fellow Circuit City executives to play basketball at the corporate headquarters. "He has a charming, playful side to him," Andrews said. "Once you go onto the basketball court, there was no hierarchy. It was every man for himself. And he goes for it." Sharp has his own foundation, The Sharp Foundation, which has donated hundreds of thousands of dollars in recent years. The private foundation doesn't accept requests from the public. "He's very benevolent," his pastor said. Top beneficiaries besides his church include the University of Richmond, Collegiate Schools, the Boys & Girls Club of Richmond and the Science Museum of Virginia Foundation. There also are donations for many smaller organizations, such as Campus Crusade for Christ and Focus on the Family. He also donates time to community boards, such as the Boys & Girls Club. "He believes that kids need to be prepared for the future," said Charles Brady, the organization's executive director. "Doing that kind of stuff is very near and dear to his heart." If there is one theme that resounds with Sharp, it is education. Whether he leads a committee to look at ways to improve Richmond public schools or urges state lawmakers to spend federal money to pay for pupil testing, Sharp has been at the forefront of public education reform. At his insistence, one of Circuit City Foundation's primary focuses is donating money for educational causes, said Burrus of McGuire Woods. "Education was and still is very much part of his psyche," Richmond Renaissance's Townes said. "He is totally committed to it." In fact, Townes said, Sharp's legacy will likely be his efforts to promote quality public school education. "He is more focused on education than most people know," Townes said. George Allen, a confidant, agrees. Sharp not only works publicly for educational improvements, he said, but also handles a lot of behind-the-scenes work to get the job done. "You can tell in his voice and in his actions how passionate he is toward education." One of his chief accomplishments in education was a committee he led for two years for Richmond Renaissance and its report on ways to improve Richmond schools. The committee made 84 recommendations in 1994, and Sharp took some heat from city and school officials about the findings and recommendations. Allen said Sharp's keen interest in education and his willingness to make changes were the main reasons he chose Sharp to attend the education summit in 1996. Those who work with Sharp on education issues aren't sure why it is so important to him. "It might be because of his own experiences that he sees how important education has been to him," Allen said. "Rick is someone who has achieved success." And on his own terms. ----- Visit Gateway Virginia, the World Wide Web site of the Richmond (Va.) Times-Dispatch, at http://www.gateway-va.com ----- (c) 1998, Richmond (Va.) Times-Dispatch. Distributed by Knight Ridder/Tribune Business News. 17:00 03-02-98 --------- End forwarded message ---------- _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] --=_CF9BF479.ED8CE285-- _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Pallod@aol.com Mon Mar 9 18:43:03 1998 From: Pallod Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 18:42:23 EST To: Pallod@aol.com Cc: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org, hrtalk@hindunet.org, sharad01@juno.com, kulkarni@hal-pc.org, Starpipe2@aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: WALL STREET ARTICLE - RSS Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Today's Wall Street has a long article about BJP. But, they have lots of misinformation about RSS. I have discussed in length with them today. Please write letter to Editor and then fax or email to me ASAP at 281-368-5372. No need to write cover letter to me. I strongly feel that we have a very strong case and we need need to put a stop to misinformation. I have faxed this information to to Delhi office. Mr. Advani also spoke at the session, thanking first and foremost the work of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, Hindi for National Volunteer Force. The RSS, as it is known, is a Hindu-nationalist group that was founded in 1925 and is still run by bachelor volunteers according to a code of strict discipline. In the 1940s, its leaders expressed admiration for European fascists, including the Nazis. An RSS member, Naturam Vinayak Godse, assassinated Mohandas K. Gandhi in 1948 for betraying Hindus by accepting the creation of Muslim-majority Pakistan. The RSS is the heart of the Hindu-nationalist movement and the ideological training ground for most BJP leaders, including Messrs. Vajpayee and Advani. Both were among the first batch of RSS workers who were "loaned" shortly after India's independence to the Jan Sangh party, the forerunner of the BJP. Mr. Advani, who is 70 years old, once told an Indian interviewer that before he was married, he shared a room with Mr. Vajpayee, who did the cooking. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ragarwal@mednet.med.miami.edu Tue Mar 10 10:45:58 1998 From: ragarwal@mednet.med.miami.edu Message-Id: <9803108895.AA889544833@mednet.med.miami.edu> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.11.00.3 Date: Tue, 10 Mar 98 10:56:57 -0500 To: Subject: Re: Fwd: Kaushal.Natarajan@divx.com: FWD: NewsAlert MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Unable to open this file Ram Prakash Agarwal ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Fwd: Kaushal.Natarajan@divx.com: FWD: NewsAlert Author: at SMTPMED Date: 3/9/98 8:02 AM For your information. See how successful U.S. business people actively support thespread of Christianity. We need to learn from them, and win. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From pandyahc@juno.com Wed Mar 11 00:37:43 1998 To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 00:30:41 -0500 Subject: Re: Fwd: Kaushal.Natarajan@divx.com: FWD: NewsAlert Message-ID: <19980311.003043.3222.3.pandyahc@juno.com> References: <9803108895.AA889544833@mednet.med.miami.edu> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,6-8 From: pandyahc@juno.com (Harish C Pandya) X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Bandhuvar, Saprem Namaste. I have read many time some one is not able to read some ones message. It is my suggestion if any one do not take it ill that when one includes any file or prepares a letter on a word processor please make sure it is in ASCII Text format then send it or enclose it. If it is in ASCII Text format it will be read by any one who receives it. Regards Harish Pandya _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From MUKERJS@sterlingdi.com Wed Mar 11 07:54:36 1998 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 07:49:19 -0500 From: Sushim Mukerji To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Fwd: Kaushal.Natarajan@divx.com: FWD: NewsAlert Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Namaste Harish ji, yes I do that too, from time to time. For your information, yesterday I sent Ram Prakash ji the same info on Text format again. This morning I found that it could not be delivered to him. The problem is somewhere in the system. Internet is still not as reliable as "talking" phone system. Regards. Sushim Mukerji >>> Harish C Pandya 03/11 12:30 AM >>> Bandhuvar, Saprem Namaste. I have read many time some one is not able to read some ones message. It is my suggestion if any one do not take it ill that when one includes any file or prepares a letter on a word processor please make sure it is in ASCII Text format then send it or enclose it. If it is in ASCII Text format it will be read by any one who receives it. Regards Harish Pandya _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From srtiwari@hotmail.com Wed Mar 11 22:31:56 1998 Message-ID: <19980312033104.9780.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [170.140.251.60] From: "shyam tiwari" To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: UAE bans Cremation Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 19:31:04 PST X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Namaste I read following news item from Times of India dated 12 March, 1998. Regards Shyam Tiwari UAE bans cremation MUMBAI: The United Arab Emirates (UAE) has banned the cremation of the mortal remains of Hindus since the last two months, revealed a non-resident Indian (NRI). The NRI, speaking on condition of anonymity, said there was only one Hindu crematorium at Al-Gashis in Dubai, but since the last two months the authorities, on the directions of Sheikh Jayad al-Nayan, the ruler of Abu Dhabi, and Sheikh Maqtum Bin Rashid, the Prime Minister of UAE, had stopped it. The UAE comprises six nations -- Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, UAE and the Sultanate of Oman. He said there were over five lakh Indians in the UAE of whom three lakh were Hindus, most of them from working class. ``If anybody dies now, we have to bring the body back to India, which is very expensive, and most of them are unable to bear the cost. The Hindus have taken up the issue with Indian consulate general Prabhu Dayal's office at Dubai and Indian ambassador M P M Menon, but to no avail. (UNI) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From srtiwari@hotmail.com Wed Mar 11 22:36:01 1998 Message-ID: <19980312033529.27411.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [170.140.251.60] From: "shyam tiwari" To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: UAE bans Cremation Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 19:35:29 PST X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Namaste I read following news item in Times of India dated March 12, 1998. Regards Shyam Tiwari UAE bans cremation MUMBAI: The United Arab Emirates (UAE) has banned the cremation of the mortal remains of Hindus since the last two months, revealed a non-resident Indian (NRI). The NRI, speaking on condition of anonymity, said there was only one Hindu crematorium at Al-Gashis in Dubai, but since the last two months the authorities, on the directions of Sheikh Jayad al-Nayan, the ruler of Abu Dhabi, and Sheikh Maqtum Bin Rashid, the Prime Minister of UAE, had stopped it. The UAE comprises six nations -- Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, UAE and the Sultanate of Oman. He said there were over five lakh Indians in the UAE of whom three lakh were Hindus, most of them from working class. ``If anybody dies now, we have to bring the body back to India, which is very expensive, and most of them are unable to bear the cost. The Hindus have taken up the issue with Indian consulate general Prabhu Dayal's office at Dubai and Indian ambassador M P M Menon, but to no avail. (UNI) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Wed Mar 11 23:17:19 1998 Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 20:10:06 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Anti-Hindu Court Case : Help Needed ASAP Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is a anti-Hindu court case in Poland. Tutsa Krishna Das who has been quite helpful to us in past in Anti-Defamation activities has gone to Poland to testify. He needs moral support and letters. Please read the message below and discover how a Catholic nun has portrayed Hindu dharma and send a supporting letter to the fax no. listed below. We need as many messages as possible, however, for now, please *do not* publicize this issue outside this group thank you very much regards ajay > Chaitanya Mission > 910 Lighthouse Way > Port Hueneme, CA 93041 > Tel (805) 986-3557*Fax (805) 986-5447 > Wednesday, March 11, 1998 > Dear Friends, > > Our associates in Poland are currently involved in a court trial in which a > Roman Catholic Nun (Sister Michaela of the Dominican Order who > claims to have been educated at Darwadsta Karnataki University in > Southern India) has > testified as an "authority" and has made a number of false and derogatory > statements about the Vedas and Vaishnava religion. I have summarized > below the > main assertions that she has made in court. Because a timely response is > extremely important, I have alternated our position and > understanding with her > assertions. We would greatly appreciate it if you could indicate in your > opinion which of the two opposing views most correctly reflect the teachings > of Vaishnava religions. If you would like to go into the matter with greater > detail, that would be even better, but we need a response of some kind within > the day in order to present to the Court as a rebuttal. If you are able to > provide any references from recognized Sanskrit and Vedic scholars and the > Vedic literature itself, that would also be greatly appreciated. > I apologize for the lack of notice but we only just got hold of Sister > Michaela's testimony. Again, thank you for taking the time to consider this > and please feel free to contact me if you would like further details or > background. > "ZP" indicates the testimony of Zofia Pawlik (Sister Michaela); "CM" > the > position of Chaitanya Mission > ZP: That the Bhagavad Gita falsifies history with its story of a world-wide > conflict before the time of Christ and couldn't have been written 5000 years > ago because "people did not know writing or paper". CM: Though scholars may > disagree on the exact dates of the writing down of the Gita and other Vedic > literature, no modern research disproves the view of the Vaishnava > traditions themselves that the Gita is an accurate recording of Krisna's > discourse on the battlefield of Kurukshetra, an actual historical event. > ZP: That the Vedas "order" widows to be burned on the funeral pyre with their > deceased husbands and that as religions based on the Vedas become > popular in > the West, that this practice will be introduced. Related to this is the > assertion that the Vedic tradition encourages men to beat their wives. CM: > "Sati" was a practice which is no longer recommended for the present age. It > was always considered a voluntary leaving behind of the body by a > spiritually advanced soul as an act of devotion to her husband. Like > many other aspects of Varnashrama Dharma, it may have been abused in the > modern age, but was never > intended by the Vedas to be an act of coercion towards an unwanted end. > > ZP: That the Vedas "promote prostitution as (a) stimulation of cosmic > vibrations". Specifically, she mentions "Marduray Hindu Vaishnavas" who > "worship Vishnu by temples of prostitution" and that the spiritual > relationships of love between Krishna and the devotees refers to > erotic and > physical love and material sex life. CM: The followers of Lord Chaitanya > strongly condemn material sexual activity in imitation of the transcendental > pastimes of Lord Krishna. The "erotic love" of Vaishnavism can only be truly > appreciated by spiritually advanced souls completely free of mundane sexual > desire. It is the ultimate expression of divine union with the Supreme > Personality of Godhead in loving surrender. > > ZP: That the "Vedic tradition legitimizes bloody offering of people"--human > sacrifice. CM: No blood sacrifice of any kind is practiced by Vaishnavas. > There is mention of many kinds of sacrifice in the vedic literature for > previous yugas, but the recommended sacrifice in this age of chaos, quarrel > and confusion is sankirtan-the congregational chanting of the Holy Names of > God. > > ZP: That the chanting of sacred Vedic mantras is destructive and causes > practitioners to "behave identically as after taking opium". > CM: Chanting of mantras is purely transcendental. There may be all > kinds of > physiological effects associated with singing and dancing, but these > will be > experienced whether the practitioner is chanting in sankirtan, > singing gospel > songs in a Christian church or attending a rock concert. In any > case, the > purely spiritual effects of chanting the Holy Names are entirely > distinct from > any of these. The assertion that chanting mantras causes a person to > behave as > if intoxicated with opium is patently absurd and not borne out by > any studies > or anyone's reported experience. > > > Since this person is attacking the Vedic scriptures in general and the > Vaishnava religions in paticular, and stating that Vaishnava religions are > immoral and will lead to immorality among the young people in the > West if they > spread, we are hoping you can write something, however, simple it > may be, > stating that they stress morality and proper behavior. Thank you > very much for > your help in this matter. > > Sincerely, > > Sunil Khemaney > > Secretary _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Pallod@aol.com Thu Mar 12 18:08:35 1998 From: Pallod Message-ID: <75861e04.35086ace@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 18:07:56 EST To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Cc: Starpipe2@aol.com, hrtalk@hindunet.org, shard01@juno.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: letter to wall street Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namashkar, So far I have rvcd two letter one from Beth and other one from Gaurang Desai. Please do not call wall street journal. OFBJP worker in New york is talking to them and he has an laungh meeting with WSJ. So far they have been very co-operative. Editors, Your coverage about India’s election has generally been unbiased and very informative. However, your comments about RSS were very misleading. Especially, the statement that a RSS member assassinated M.K.Gandhi is not true, even though widely held. RSS was banned in 1948 after Gandhi’s assassination. But the ban was later lifted when the Congress led government could not find any evidence linking the group to Gandhi’s assassination. Moreover, Nathuram Ghodse was member of Hindu mahasabha not RSS. Recently Congress party president Sitaram Kesri had made a similar statement in India. Normally RSS chief Rajendra Singh does not make any statements but he did put out a press release, condemning Kesri's remark. RSS is an all India organization, having about 35,000 members of units/shakhas all over India and has about one million members total throughout India. RSS is a nationalist and patriotic organization, which inculcates the spirit of nationalism and character-building into its members through its units. Due to the activities of the RSS and selfless services provided by members it has become synonymous with nationalism, patriotism and selfless-services to the nation. Its cadres were among the first relief workers to reach the site of September 1993 earthquake in Latur in Maharashtra state in which 11,000 people died. Its members have been foremost not only in providing disaster relief, but in providing long-term community medical and educational services in slums and in rural areas throughout India. Its projects serve needy Indians whatever their background or religion. Vijay K. Pallod _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From jvinod@ix.netcom.com Fri Mar 13 17:08:43 1998 Message-ID: <3509D7B9.3CA7@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 17:04:57 -0800 From: Vinod Jhunjhunwala Organization: The Golden Group X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-NC250 (Win95; U; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: VHP GC Subject: [Fwd: Feature Contribution] Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Return-Path: Received: from giasdl01.vsnl.net.in (giasdl01.vsnl.net.in [202.54.15.1]) by ixmail2.ix.netcom.com (8.8.7-s-4/8.8.7/(NETCOM v1.01)) with SMTP id DAA11652; ; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 03:11:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost by giasdl01.vsnl.net.in; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/03May97-0227AM) id AA14724; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 16:33:45 +0500 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 16:33:44 +0500 (GMT+0500) From: Bharat Jhunjhuwala To: Mr Faiza Rady Cc: Ghulam Mustafa , Peter Malhotra , "Shyam Bahadur K.C." , Mr Harry Bhaskara , Mr S Pathiravitana , Mathew Grainger , Vinod Jhunjhunwala , Nirmal Jhunjhunwala , Michael Gorham Subject: Feature Contribution Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-2039903882-889788824=:13809" X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --0-2039903882-889788824=:13809 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dear Editor: Please find attached a contribution on Worldwatch Institute's doublespeak on consumption by the industrial countries. I hope you will be able to use it. 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welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From srtiwari@hotmail.com Sun Mar 15 10:36:23 1998 Message-ID: <19980315153542.18201.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [170.140.251.114] From: "shyam tiwari" To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: AIR news at 9 pm 10:30 EST Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 07:35:42 PST X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Namaste 1. President has asked Atalji to come to Rashtrapati bhavan and he is about to arrive shortly there. 2. AIADMK to join BJP government. 3. Sonia Gandhi informed president thatt Congress wont stake claime to form the government. 4. UF has announced that it will sit in opposition. There is good Muhurt on March 18 for swearing in ceremony. Regards Shyam Tiwari ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From YLakra@aol.com Sun Mar 15 21:58:00 1998 From: YLakra Message-ID: <169dd98a.350c950b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 21:57:13 EST To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: AIR news at 9 pm 10:30 EST Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 86 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org In a message dated 98-03-15 10:42:21 EST, you write: << >> Thanks for the information. I have talked to Ramesh on the issue of Support a child. There is some delay because it is taking too much time for Ramesh to put all the information ondata base. But he promissed me that he will send aletter to those persons who have donated the money and havenot received infromation regarding a particular child they are supporting. He will explain the reason for the delay and promise them the report very soon also. Yours Yash. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From MUKERJS@sterlingdi.com Mon Mar 16 15:50:24 1998 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:42:44 -0500 From: Sushim Mukerji To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Zulfikar web page Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_257110FB.FF9EF0B2" X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a MIME message. 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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA --=_257110FB.FF9EF0B2 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="zulfikar.txt" Subject: Fwd: Zulfikar Khan's website on Islam and Prophet Zulfikar Khan is a Moslem who has abandoned his religion. In fact he is anti-islam, having been born into a Moslem family and raised as a Moslem. He has converted to Hinduism. Zulfikar writes about Islam and is archived at his website(s) as he indicates below. Recently his administrators received frantic calls from Moslems all over the world to have his website removed. I had sent a very strong letter to his webmasters in his favor. Zulfikar wants all to visit his website and read the articles that he has written. Please visit Zulfikar's website and learn more about what actually Islam is and why it is so dangerous. Please contact him at : zulfikark@usa.net if you have any comments and questions on his articles and Islam. >From: Zulfikar Khan >To: zulfikark@usa.net > > >Hello: > >Here is another article written by me after a long time. The HTML version of this article is available at the following sites: > >1. http://home.onestop.net/jayate >2. http://members.tripod.com/~TruthAloneTriumphs/ >3. http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/armada/92/index.html >4. http://www.eccentrica.org/satyamevajayate >5. http://www.spaceports.com/residential_hub/dorm213/index.html >6. http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate > >Have fun! > >Om Shanti >Zulfikar Khan > >------------------------------------- > >Prophet of Terror and the Religion of "Peace"--Part I > >Mohammed, Prophet of Islam is known as the >"Apostle of Peace" by Muslims. Nothing can >be further from the truth. > >This article is just one of a series that I will >be publishing regarding sadistic cruel nature of >Prophet Mohammed. > >In this article I will prove once again, that Mohammed >was in fact a terrorist, criminal and murderer >whose entire life was based on victimizing >innocents and indulging in mindless violence, >carnage and massacre. He was a man who >destroyed peace wherever he went, and in its >place brought terror, carnage and death. > >When Mohammed first started screaming from >the rooftops that he alone had the divine >word of God, the people of Mecca ignored >him. However, when he started insulting and >defaming the religion of the peace loving >Meccans, they couldn't take it anymore and >tried persuading him to stop. Mohammed the >coward was too scared of the growing hostility >against him and instead of calling upon his >Allah to strike down the Meccans, he crept out >one night and fled for his life. > >Ever since that incident, Mohammed was >determined to take revenge on the Meccans. >He escaped to Medinah, which had a sizeable >Jewish population, and started plotting his revenge >with a small gang of criminals. This was the >beginning of Mohammed's trail of violence, >hatred and bloodshed that would soon destroy the once >flourishing culture of Arabia. >The story has been documented in detail by his >biographers, - surprise raids on trade caravans >and tribal settlements, the use of plunder >thus obtained for recruiting an ever >growing army of greedy desperados, assassinations >of opponents, blackmail, expulsion and >massacre of the Jews of Medinah, attack and >enslavement of the Jews of Khayber, rape of >women and children, sale of these victims >after rape, trickery, treachery and bribery >employed to their fullest extent to grow the >numbers of his religion Islam which ironically was >supposed to mean "Peace"! He organised no less >than 86 expeditions, 26 of which he led himself. > >The motives of the converts to Islam was never >in any doubt. As D.S. Margoliouth states in >his book Muhammad and the rise of Islam > > "Of any moralising or demoralising effect > that Muhammad's teaching had upon his > followers we cannot say with precision. > When he was at the head of the Robber > community, it is probable that the demoralising > influence began to be felt; it was then that > men who had never broken an oath learnt that > they might evade their obligations, and that > men to whom the blood of their clan had been > as their own, began to shed it with impunity > in the "cause of god". And that lying and > treachery in the cause of Islam received divine > approval. It was then too that Moslems became > distinguished by the obscenity of their language. > It was then too, that the coveting of goods and > wives possessed by Non-muslims was avowed > without discouragement from the Prophet...." > >The details of all his criminal onslaughts >in the form of battles and assasinations are >chronicled in this article in a chronological >manner. One should note that everytime the >"Apostle of Peace" committed one of his criminal >onslaughts, he always justified the crimes by quickly >claiming a "divine revelation" which conveniently >removed the blame from his bloodied hands. >These convenient Suras are detailed >immediately below the description of the incident. > >1) Massacre of unarmed merchants during sacred month >Date: Late January(Rejeb), 623 A.D. >Place: Nakhla >Victims:4 Merchants from Quraysh tribe of Mecca, > the Tribe to which Mohammed himself > belonged. > >Four UNARMED merchants were travelling to Mecca >to sell their goods consisting of raisins, honey >and animal skins. It was the holy month of Rejeb >which was considered sacred for trade in Arabia. >It was a point of honor that any form of warfare >or violence was strictly forbidden in this month. >Mohammed's gang attacked the helpless men from >behind and stabbed two of them to death. They >plundered all the goods as booty and Mohammed >got one fifths of the share. > >This shows the utter lack of morals or scruples >on Mohammed's part. The Prophet of Islam did not >possess a shred of pity or kindness, or the >slightest sense of justice. He cold-bloodedly >murdered two innocent people who had never >done him any harm and did not even know him! >All this was done in a month that the Prophet >himself declared was a sacred month in which >no warfare should take place. Mohammed was >obviously motivated by nothing but hatred and >greed. > >Conveniently divine revelations came down >from Allah that absolved him of all the guilt. > >Koran 2:216 >"Warfare is ordained for you, though it is > hateful unto you; but it may happen that > you hate a thing which is good for you > and it may happen that you love a thing > which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, you > knew not." > >Here Mohammed is completely removing all >blame from himself, for having started the >fighting. The most insidious and devilish >implication of this verse is that Allah is >completely justifying Mohammed's murder of >the innocent Meccans. Over and above this >Mohammed is conveniently implying that warfare >is hateful to him, but he participated in it >because it was ordained by Allah! What sacrifices >the "Apostle of Peace" had to make! > >Koran 2:217 >"They question you (O Mohammed) with regard > to warfare in the sacred month. Say: Warfare > therein is a great transgression but to turn > men from the way of Allah and to disbelive in > Him and the inviolable place of worship and > to expel its people thence is a greater > transgression, for persecution is worse > than killing" > >Here Allah is clearly saying that to kill or >create warfare in the sacred month of Rejeb is >a very grave offence, but to justify his own >violation of Allah's rules, Mohammed comes up with >the idea that since the people killed were >unbelievers, it was perfectly okay! The reason >given for the horrific murder of the innocent >Meccans, is the fact that they did not believe >in Mohammed's version of God. How much more >tolerant and kind could the "Great Prophet" be! > > >2) Slaughter of Meccans who came to defend their > caravans. >Date: March (Ramadan) 17, 623 A.D. >Place: The well of Badr >Victims: 70 merchants from Quraysh Tribe of Mecca, > The Quraysh army which came to defend them. > >The merchandise being carried by this caravan >was worth more than 50,000 Gold Dinars. Mohammed >ganged up all the criminals of Medina and >set out to raid the caravan with 300 men. The >Meccans got word of the raid and sent out an >army to protect the caravan. Throughout the >entire battle Mohammad cowered in a hut which >his men made for him. There he cried and prayed >with feverish anxiety. At one point he came >out of the hut and threw pebbles in the enemy's >direction, screaming "Let evil look on your >faces!" and "By him who holds my soul in his >hands, anyone who fights for me today will >go to paradise!" The Muslims killed over >two hundred and took seventy prisoners. All >seventy of the prisoners were ransomed, and >any prisoner who did not fetch a ransom >had his head chopped off. > >Mohammed was gratified at the sight of his murdered >victims. After the battle, he sent his followers to >look for the corpse of Abu Jahal, one of the Meccans >who had criticised him openly. When his corpse was >found,they cut off the head and threw it down at >Mohammed's feet. The "Apostle of peace" cried out in >delirious joy, " Rejoice! Here lies the head of the >enemy of Allah! Praise Allah, for there is no other >but he!" The Prophet then ordered a great pit to be >dug for the bodies of the innocents to be dumped. >The Muslims then proceeded to hack the corpses limbs >into pieces. As the bloodied mass of bodies was being >thrown into the pit, a feverishly excited Mohammed >shreiked, " O People of the Pit, have you found that >what Allah threatened is true now? For I have found >that what my Lord promised was true! Rejoice All >Muslims!" One of the prisoners taken was the defiant >Al Nadr Ibn al Harith, who had earlier taken >Muhammad's challenge of telling better stories than >him. Muhammad ordered Ali to strike off Nadr's head >in his presence, so he could watch and exult in the >pleasure of beheading the man who had insulted him. >Another prisoner Uqba ibn Abi Muait was decapitated >in front of the Prophet. Before being killed >the prisoner cried out pitifully" O Prophet, who will >look after my children if I should die?" >The "Great Prophet of the Religion of Peace" coldly >spat out "Hellfire", as the blade came down and >spattered his clothes with Uqba's blood. > >This time Mohammed needed a revelation that would >not only absolve him of all the guilt for murdering >so many innocent people, but also give him the "divine" >right to get a huge share of the plundered booty. >Quite a few revelations magically appeared after the >battle of Badr. > >(Koran 8:65) > >"O Prophet exhort the believers to fight. If there be >of you 20 steadfast,they will overcome 200 and if there >be of you a 100, they shall overcome a 1000, because >the disbelievers are a folk without intelligence" > >This Sura clearly exposes Islam to be a religion >that not only encourages violence but actually >makes it a sacred duty for Muslims to kill anyone >who does not believe in the Muslim version of religion. >Not only is the "All forgiving Allah" exhorting >his followers to kill anyone who is not Muslim, >but he is also saying that all non-Muslims are so >stupid that they will be unable to defend themselves >and therfore deserve death! > >(Koran 8:67-68) > >"It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he >hath made slaughter in the land. You desire the lure >of this world and Allah desires for you the hereafter >and Allah is Mighty, Wise.. >Now enjoy what you have won as lawful and good and keep >your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is forgiving, merciful." > >This verse is in reference to the prisoners that >Mohammed held for ransom after the battle. Allah the >"Merciful" is saying that they should all have been >killed! In addition, Allah is conveniently commenting >that whatever loot Mohammed has plundered is "lawful >and good" because it was done in service to Allah. >So murder, rape, plunder and destruction are all >perfectly fine with Allah as long as they are done in >the name of Islam! Mohammed is also insidiously making >himself seem very kind for having spared the lives of >the prisoners, when in fact he only let them live so >he could get more money from the Ransom for them. >In today's world this is called "Terrorism" of the >worst kind. > > > >3) Assasination of poets who criticised Mohammed's > murderous ways. > >Date: Late March-April, 623 A.D. >Place: Medinah >Victims: Two of the most famous poets of > Medinah, who had the courage to > criticise the murderous actions > of Mohammed and his gang. > >After the battle of Badr, the people of Medinah were >horrified that they had given refuge to such a blatant >criminal and his followers in their city. Many >began protesting the presence of such violent >and murderous people in their city. In a free >society like Pre-Islamic Arabia, the poets acted >as society's conscience and were free to criticise, >satirize and examine the actions of people. >The two most famous poets of this kind were >Abu 'Afak; an extremely old and respected >poet and Asma bint Marwan; a young mother >with the gift of superb verse. > >Muhammad was enraged at their criticism. >When he heard the verses composed by Asma Bint Marwan >he was infuriated and screamed aloud, "Will no one >rid me of this daughter of Marwan!" That very night >a gang of Muslims set out to do the dirty deed. >They broke into the poets' house. She was lying in >in her bedroom suckling her newborn child, while >her other small children slept nearby. The Muslims >tore the newborn infant off her breast and hacked it >to pieces before her very eyes. They then made her >watch the murder of all four of her children, before >raping and then stabbing her repeatedly to death. >After the murder when the Muslims went to inform the >Prophet, he said "You have done a service to Allah >and his Messenger, her life was not worth even two >goats!" > >A month later the distinguished and highly respected >Abu Afak, who was over a hundred years old and reknowned >for his sense of fairness, was killed brutally in the >same manner as he slept. Once again the Prophet had >commented that morning "Who will avenge me on this >scoundrel!" > >This shows us exactly how much the tolerant and peace >loving Prophet respected life. Muslims claim that >Mohammed was extremely gentle and loved children. >Indeed the horrifying way he had Asma Bint Marwan's >five infants slaughtered certainly attests to this >"loving" side of the Prophet. > > >4) The Siege of the Banu Qaynuqa >Date: April, 623 A.D. >Place: Medinah >Victims: The Jewish Tribe of Banu Qaynuqa > >In order to get full control of Medinah, Mohammed >needed to get rid of all his opponents. The strongest >of these opponents was Abdallah Ibn Ubayy, a powerful >chief who was allied with the Jewish Tribe of Banu >Qaynuqa. This tribe was also the weakest, because >they were made up of craftsmen, in particular >goldsmiths. By attacking them, Mohammed knew he could >plunder a huge amount of wealth and weaken Ibn Ubayy. >Mohammed needed an excuse to attack them so he made >a girl married to one of his followers, pretend that >she had been teased by the Jews. The Muslims blockaded >the fort of the Banu Qaynuqa for fifteen days until >the starving Jews surrendered. Immediately, the >Prophet was ready to kill them all, but Ibn Ubayy >seized hold of Mohammed and protested. Mohammed's face >became black with rage as he shouted "Let go of me", >but Ibn Ubayy was adamant and shouted back "No, by >God, I will not let you go until you deal kindly >with my allies. 400 men without armour and 300 with, >who have always supported me aganst enemies. And >you want to slay them all in one morning! By God, If >I were in your place I would fear a reversal of >fortune" > >At this threat, the cowardly Mohammed >turned pale, as he realised that all the people of >Medinah were against him. He hit Ibn Ubayy on the face >and ordered that the Jews be kicked out of their own >homes. All their property was seized and looted, many >of the prettiest women were taken as prisoners to >become sex-slaves. Mohammed kept one-fifths of >the enormous booty for himself. This is the way >he repayed the kindness of the Jews of Medina, who >had given him shelter and a refuge, when Mohammed >had run away from Mecca in fear. > >The revelations in the Eighth Sura of the Koran >were clearly in reference to the Banu Qaynuqa and >anyone who opposed the Muslims. > >(Koran 8:55-57) >"Lo, the worst of beasts in Allah's sight are the >ungrateful who will not believe." > >"Those of them with whom you made a treaty and then >at every opportunity they break their treaty and >they keep not duty to Allah, >If you come on them in the war, deal with them >so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, >so that they may remember." > >Here Mohammed's acts of planned terrorism against >the Jewish Tribe is justified by Allah, because >according to the "Merciful" Allah, Non-Muslims are >the worst of BEASTS! So it is perfectly all right >to murder, rape, torture and pillage the non-believers! >Not only that but Allah is advising Mohammed and the >Muslims that when anyone protests against the injustices >committed by Muslims, the Muslims should make sure >and deal with them with such violence, that it will >strike fear among anyone who may think of supporting >dissent. This proves that the Koran is nothing but a >political manual for controlling people with terror. >Not even the fascist armies of Hitler engineered such >devilish ideas. > > >The above are just a few of the incidents that >demonstrate the intolerant and merciless nature of >the inhuman acts committed by Mohammed and the >Muslims. Further articles in this series will >reveal more of Prophet Mohammed's heinous, sadistic >and cruel crimes against humanity. > > >* Works of Abdullah Yusuf Ali, Muhammed Marmaduke >Pickthall, Rodinson, Martin Lings have been used >in this article. * > > > ?? --=_257110FB.FF9EF0B2-- _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From srtiwari@hotmail.com Mon Mar 16 22:47:09 1998 Message-ID: <19980317034622.7802.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [170.140.250.101] From: "shyam tiwari" To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Washington Post News Item Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 19:46:20 PST X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Namaste This news article was published in today's paper. Regards Shyam Tiwari Vajpayee to Be India's Premier Hindu Nationalist Faces Vote of Confidence by March 29 By Kenneth J. Cooper Washington Post Foreign Service Monday, March 16, 1998; Page A13 NEW DELHI, March 15—India's president named Atal Bihari Vajpayee as prime minister tonight and gave his Hindu nationalist party the right to lead the next government, ending nearly two weeks of political uncertainty in the world's largest democracy. Vajpayee and the backbone of his cabinet are to be sworn in Thursday. A multiparty coalition led by his Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) is to face a vote of confidence by March 29 and for now enjoys just enough support to command a bare majority in the 545-member lower house of Parliament. The BJP-led government will be India's fifth in less than two years, a period of political instability that has shaken confidence in business amid an economic slowdown. The uncertain durability of Vajpayee's multiparty coalition in a closely divided Parliament, the result of midterm voting in the past month, has not restored investor confidence. Opponents have raised fears that a BJP-led government could provoke communal tensions between Hindus and Muslims because of the party's philosophy that the Hindu majority's culture binds a diverse nation of 950 million. But because two of the BJP's largest allies have dissented from its cultural nationalism, political analysts have predicted that a Vajpayee government would have more room to pursue nationalist economic policies that emphasize self-reliance. The party's campaign platform, for instance, promised to protect India's industry from international competition for seven to 10 years and to discourage foreign investment in consumer goods like fast food. During the seven years since India opened up its formerly socialist economy, the United States has been its biggest trading partner and largest source of international investment. The U.S. Commerce Department has rated India, with a consumer class estimated at 200 million or more, as one of the world's largest emerging markets. But India's movement toward fully joining the global economy has slowed since 1994, largely because of fear that increasing foreign investment and trade could be a new form of colonialism. Earlier this month, when Vajpayee's party won the largest bloc in Parliament -- but not a majority -- he pledged to work toward a broad national consensus on major issues. His appointment by President K.R. Narayanan marks the second time that Vajpayee, a moderate, has served as prime minister. After the previous election, in 1996, he led a minority government that resigned after two weeks rather than lose a confidence vote. Vajpayee, who has served in Parliament almost continuously for 40 years, was foreign minister in a coalition government from 1977 to 1980 and was widely credited for a hiatus in tensions with regional arch-rival Pakistan. Opinion polls consistently have shown Vajpayee to be India's most popular choice as prime minister, more popular than his party, which many Indians distrust because of its Hindu nationalist philosophy. He can be a spellbinding speechmaker in the Hindi language, captivating campaign audiences with his wit, timing and use of facial expressions and gestures. Vajpayee's age is officially listed as 71, although in earlier years his birth date was said to have been two years earlier. He suffers from diabetes, which sometimes causes him to appear drowsy. The public distrusts the BJP in part because it was founded under another name in 1952 as the political wing of a Hindu nationalist brotherhood, the National Volunteer Corps, whose 500,000 members gather for early morning meetings wearing khaki shorts and making salutes that remind critics of Nazis. In 1948, a former corps member killed Mohandas K. Gandhi. Last week, Vajpayee, a corps member since his teens, met with its top leader here in the capital. Critics have long suspected that the corps controls the BJP and its agenda, charges that party leaders have repeatedly denied. The third-ranking leader of the corps, K.S. Sudarshan, denied last week that any institutional relationship has ever existed between the two organizations. He said that some corps members have gone into politics just as others have chosen different professions. But Indian newspapers have reported regularly that disciplined cadres of the corps and affiliated groups have acted as campaign workers for many BJP candidates. The charity work and crisis intervention that corps volunteers have done among poor Hindus have helped expand the BJP's base from upper castes in north India to other demographic groups. And most party leaders, including Vajpayee and president L.K. Advani, have been longtime corps members. Beginning in the late 1980s, the corps and its affiliates supported a BJP crusade led by Advani to build a Hindu temple on a disputed mosque site in northern Uttar Pradesh state. In 1992, Hindu activists demolished the mosque in the town of Ayodhya, provoking communal riots in which 2,500 were killed across the country. When Sudarshan was asked in an interview to identify issues on which the BJP and the corps disagreed, his only specific reply was that the party had stopped its temple-building crusade in Ayodhya and had not pursued two other disputed mosque sites. © Copyright 1998 The Washington Post Company ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From MUKERJS@sterlingdi.com Tue Mar 17 11:28:32 1998 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:21:46 -0500 From: Sushim Mukerji To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: BJP on PBS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The PBS Evening News (by Jim Lehrer) is inviting questions on whether BJP government will walk a moderate line. You should send questions by 9:00am March 20. Check http://www.pbs.org/newshour/forum _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Tue Mar 17 14:02:00 1998 Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:54:44 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: FreeIndia Forums Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Namaskar Many of you have participated on Rediff and CalOnline. Now, you can be heard on our own public forums - FreeIndia Forums We have created four moderated public forums on FreeIndia website that is open for discussion. The topics are : Election and Related Politics Economy Defence Foreign Policy I welcome you to participate on this forums. Ideally, I request that you post at least one short (10-15 lines) article a day. This will help us a lot in creatin a mainstream public forum To access FreeIndia Forums : http://www.freeindia.org/forums/ thank you very much ajay _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From abhaya@cbgw2.lucent.com Tue Mar 24 17:42:31 1998 Message-Id: <351832CA.339@lucent.com> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:25:14 -0500 From: "abhaya asthana, 508-960-4273" Organization: Bell Labs, Lucent Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Varsha Pratipada and Reflections References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namaste to everyone: Varsha pratipada is coming up so I thought it would be worthwhile for us to reflect on our goals, plans and accomplishments for the year, particularly, in light of the resolutions we had made at the GC meeting in Antioch, CA last November. To help us in this exercise, I have listed five simple questions below, and request each one us to please take a few minutes to answer them. (It should not take more 5 minutes). Manhar Valand and I will compile the answers and report back to the GC. You can e-mail it to: abhaya@lucent.com or just reply to vhpgc-l@hindunet.org, in which case all of us will benefit from whatever you have to share. Once again, abhinandan, and hope to hear from you. abhaya asthana -------------- 1. What programs, activities have you had in your area from Nov 1997 to Mar 1998? 2. What programs, activities are you planning to have in your area for the rest of the year? 3. When are you having the Hindu Heritage Day celebration? 4. When are you having the Youth Conference? 5. Any other news item you would like to report. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From pandyahc@juno.com Wed Mar 25 23:40:43 1998 To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 23:26:06 -0500 Subject: Re: Varsha Pratipada and Reflections Message-ID: <19980325.233345.3222.1.pandyahc@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-4 From: pandyahc@juno.com (Harish C Pandya) X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Bandhuvar Abhai Ji Jai Sri Ram. I have been traveling in and out of the US so has not been able to finalizing any plan. Harish Pandya _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From HHParikh@aol.com Fri Mar 27 22:11:58 1998 From: HHParikh Message-ID: <1e3931cb.351c6a30@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 22:10:38 EST To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Varsha Pratipada and Reflections Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Dear shree Abhayji, 1..From last Deepavali, BalVihar is started in Glastonbury area. At present it is conducted once a month (3 rd Sun. of the month) at Shree Nikhalbhai Buch's residence. At present we have 15 students and hope this will increase in comming months. It our goal to start this activity twice a month from April 98. It is our plan to ask for your help (Abhayji) to conduct teacher's training workshop in next few months. Please provide your time table when you can be available. We are planning for formal structure to meet needs for our children and provide best training. 2..Regular Senior's program will start fron April 16th 98. Participation os 45 to 65 is on aregular basis (once a month, full day program). Some summer picnic and outside visit by senior's group will be announced in comming months. Third satsang series (This year it will be named Swami Tilak Memorial Series) will be conducted by Swami Pratyagbodhanandaji of Arsha Vidya Gurukulam. Additional program will be finilized in next few months. Camp planning activities will continue for North East youth camp at New Hempshire. 3..Hindu Heritage day is not yet planned. 4..Youth Conf. is not yet planned. 5.. not yet. Best regardas, Hasit _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From srtiwari@hotmail.com Sun Mar 29 22:36:40 1998 Message-ID: <19980330033609.29470.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [170.140.251.48] From: "shyam tiwari" To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Book - 'Dancing with Siva' Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:36:08 PST X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Namaste Few months back we were approached by Shri Nandi Nath( 1-800-890-1008 hara@hindu.org) from Hawaii for the book ‘Dancing with Siva’ published by Himalayan Academy(Hinduism Today) and written by Satguru Sivaya Subramuniyaswami. The binder committed a mistake by misplacing few pages at one place in the beginning of the book as a result many copies were rendered useless and it were about to trashed but people at HT decided that rather than throwing such a marvelous piece of work, give it to non profit organizations for a $1 each plus shipping and handling. Following points I am highlighting about the book of which 208 copies we ordered and have already distributed half of them for $5.00 each. 1. The first half of the book is in the form of catechism(question and answer). Questions about abstract philosophy to simple practical Hindu way of life. One page per question answer ending with a scriptural quote(500 pages). 2. Brief description of all the major religions faiths and -isms, under the topic ‘Truth is one paths are many’. Comparative study of all the religions. 3. A primer for children. 4. Contains lexicon of Sanskrit words running into 300 pages(e.g. meaning of word ‘Abhaya’ or ‘Mantra’ etc.) 5. Hindu timeline according to recent studies. 6. Total number of pages from the front cover to the last 1008. Plus many more things which children as well as adults want to know about Sanatana Dharma. Please note that the title of the book itself is about Siva so there is detail about Shaivism. A box contains 16 books weighing 46 pounds total. Regards Shyam Tiwari ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From abhaya@cbgw2.lucent.com Mon Mar 30 09:30:52 1998 Message-Id: <351FA884.58EA@lucent.com> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 09:13:24 -0500 From: "abhaya asthana, 508-960-4273" Organization: Bell Labs, Lucent Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Varsha Pratipada and Reflections References: <1e3931cb.351c6a30@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Dear Hasit Bhai, Namaskar, Thanks for sharing the programs and activities in your area with everyone. Hopefully we will hear from our other sisters and brothers soon!! abhaya _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From MUKERJS@sterlingdi.com Mon Mar 30 11:27:14 1998 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 11:09:32 -0500 From: Sushim Mukerji To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org, abhaya@lucent.com Subject: Re: Varsha Pratipada and Reflections Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Abhayabhai, I have been in transition for a while, and have been living in Greenville, SC since July 1997 as a kind of "agnatavas" (as the Pandavas did in the kingdom of Viratjar). I apologise for not been able to organize activities in the name of VHP. However, I did conduct the following as part of dharma prachar. A Balviahar is conducted each Sunday morning in the Vedic Center, Greenville. Since last September I have participated each Sunday in the Balvihar teaching yoga, Hindu teachings and Indian games to about 45 children. The organizers tell me that the yoga lessons has been a big hit with the youngsters and also to the adults(I attribute my ability to make yoga lessons fun filled to my dear friend, Bharatbhai Gajjar). That may be so. It is true that I have put a lot of physical energy pushing those youngsters. However, the credit goes to a couple of ladies who have young children of their own, and they do make phone calls and give rides etc. to make sure that the children do participate. It appears, in VHP organised Balvihars we need such recipes( a servant like myself, and a few visible organizers, preferably ladies). This Greenville, SC and the neighboring (30 miles away) Spartanburg, SC are prime candidates for VHP Youth conference. Ashvin Shah, a VHP person himself, in Spartanburg can be the ideal candidate to pull this together. I wish everyone the very best. Jai Ram. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Vartalapa@aol.com Tue Mar 31 12:06:51 1998 From: Vartalapa Message-ID: <485275f9.35212284@aol.com> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 12:06:10 EST To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: namaskaram! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Freinds, I am back from Bharat. I visited 25 village schools and am in awe of the hard work and dedication of the people of India. Ananda Aggrawala ji's father, Shree Madanlal ji is an amazing person. He has been instumental in establishing 1100 one school, one teacher facilities in Bihar. I stayed with him, we got along rather well. With God's Grace I will continue to work with him. In fact, I contacted people from Seva Bharati & Vidya Bharati in the Punjab / Chandigarh area . Spent a fair number of days and did some work with them. I also took up two orphanage projects in Orissa, one of these has a very old Durga- Shiva Temple on the premesis. I presented a paper in Delhi @ WAVES conference and gave some talks that were arranged in Patiala & Delhi . All in all a very good trip! A lot is being done, a lot needs to be done. However I continue to feel privilaged to have been born in such a culture,Also it is great to be living in the USA , where I can accomplish a lot. Please ,Mahesh Bhai contact me if you can @616-949-2946 ASAP. Thank you. Renu S Malhotra _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From MUKERJS@sterlingdi.com Tue Mar 31 12:37:05 1998 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 12:35:32 -0500 From: Sushim Mukerji To: Vartalapa@aol.com, vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: namaskaram! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Swagatam Renu bahen, it is good to hear from you. I am glad that you spent time with such important projects in India. Did you take any pictures for those activiies that you can share with us? Did you contact anyone at Sankat Mochan Office of VHP when you were in Delhi ? I wish you and your family the best. Sushim Mukerji _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From pandyahc@juno.com Tue Mar 31 22:36:12 1998 To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:12:22 -0500 Subject: Visit to Bharat. Message-ID: <19980331.222702.3238.0.pandyahc@juno.com> References: <485275f9.35212284@aol.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,5-6 From: pandyahc@juno.com (Harish C Pandya) X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Bandhuvar tatha Bhagani, Jai Sri Ram. I will be away to Bharat from April 4 to May 21. Though there is nothing which can not wait my return. But is there is some thing in which my feedback is needed then e-mail me to VHP Bharat Address. Where ever I am in Bharat I will be always be in touch with Parishad Office. Harish Pandya _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From MJMEHTA@aol.com Wed Apr 1 05:37:16 1998 From: MJMEHTA Message-ID: <8c1ebec9.352218bd@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 05:36:43 EST To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: namaskaram! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Dear Renubahen: Namaste I am delighted to read about your visit to the school projects. There is no substitute for direct experience. I will give you a call shortly. Regards Mahesh Mehta _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From PJCJ52A@prodigy.com Wed Apr 1 22:56:24 1998 Message-Id: <199804020356.WAA07448@mime3.prodigy.com> X-Mailer: Prodigy Internet GW(v0.9beta) - ae01dm04sc03 From: PJCJ52A@prodigy.com (DR VEENA S GANDHI) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 22:56:03, -0500 To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Varsha Pratipada and Reflections X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 1. South Jersey chapter had two meetings discussing various issues and starting.on regular basis parishad activies in htis area. We have decided to meet on regular basis every six weeks.Emphasis will be given to have more campers and volunteers from this area for upcoming camp in New Hampshire.Also we are asking youths belonging to various organisation to take active part in youth conference. 2.We are in preliminary stage of fomalizing Hema Malinies concert on DURGA MATA. 3.Nothig is finalised yet. 4.Youth conference will be in Norhten New Jersey . 5.None. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From MJMEHTA@aol.com Thu Apr 2 05:46:16 1998 From: MJMEHTA Message-ID: <64ec7cd.35236c4e@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 05:45:32 EST To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Varsha Pratipada and Reflections Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Dear Veenabahen: Namaste. Is this your email address ? Is it on GC list ? Did you receive my e-mail regarding Dharma Sansad ? If not you will receive a mail shortly. Please reserve Auagust 22 and 23, 1998 for Dharma Sansad meeting at Arsha Vidya Gurukulam. How is Sharadbhai ? For the last six weeks I am on constant travel for company work. I plan to be in India from April 10 through 21. Regards Mahesh Mehta _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From abhaya@cbgw2.lucent.com Thu Apr 2 12:03:38 1998 Message-Id: <3523C0CA.F280675@lucent.com> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 11:46:02 -0500 From: "abhaya asthana, 978-960-4273" Organization: Bell Labs, Lucent Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Varsha Pratipada and Reflections References: <199804020356.WAA07448@mime3.prodigy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Veena Bahen, Namaste It is great to hear from you!! Please write more often to this list. The Durga Mata Concert by Hema Malini sounds very exciting. That might help pull a lot of people together in th NY NJ PA area. Give our regards to Sharad Bhai. abhaya _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Anshug@aol.com Thu Apr 2 17:41:11 1998 From: Anshug Message-ID: <1932465a.352413e5@aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:40:36 EST To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Cc: abhaya@lucent.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Varsha Pratipada and Reflections Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org 1. celebrated Swami Vivekanand's Birthday by feeding the homeless people at Pontiac rescue Mission Center in Pontiac, Michigan on January 25th, 1998. This an annual event at our chapter for last five years. 2. Hindu Heritage Day May 30th, 1998 All day seminars on " Hinduism for youth in America in the 21st century". 3. Three day family camp on August 21,22 & 23 1998. 4. Hindu Heritage day on May 30th, 1998 . 5. Youth conference on May 30th, 1998 . 6. Annual fundraising Dinner on May 30th, 1998 . 7. Youth Diwali Dinner & Dance in October 1998 . _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Pallod@aol.com Tue Apr 7 23:04:40 1998 From: Pallod Message-ID: <762c74c0.352ae915@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 23:03:47 EDT To: VHPGC-l@hindunet.org Cc: hrtalk@hindunet.org, prajagraj@erols.com, Starpipe2@aol.com, sharad01@juno.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: 1999 VHP calenders Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namashkar, We have been sposoring VHP calendars from Houston chapterr for last few years. If any other chapters would like to sponsor or place an order. Follwing information is From Shri Shardanandji. This year calenders were sold out. Vijay Pallod. Houston Texas As usual, this is the time we have hegun to prepare for the 1999 calendar. Although it seems that it is too early for 1999 calendar when we are just finishing the distribution of 1998 calendear. To us it is a year long project. As soon as we finish the current year calendar we begin to prepare for the next year. 1999 calendar will feature the life Maryada Purushottam Bhagwan Shri Ram. As in the previous years, this calendar will have 133 colored pictures of Shri Ram including the coverr page. The pictureshave been made by an artist for this purpose. Each picture reveals the internal and external strength of Shri Ram's character. You will be seeing some of these pictures for the first time. Now we need your help and cooperation. Enclosed please find the event listing for the year 1999. We request to you to please look into the list and marke the dates and the name of events that should be included in the the calendar. The reply by April 15, 1998 will be appreciated.(list not enclosed with this email) With regards Shardanand 301-670-9429 email prayagraj@erols.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Vartalapa@aol.com Wed Apr 8 16:01:41 1998 From: Vartalapa Message-ID: <4cfc043.352bd77f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:01:01 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: 1999 VHP calenders Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org I would like to be a sponser for the calenders as I already indicated last year. They are very nicely done. Please send details to: Smt. Renu S Malhotra Saraswati S M Charities, Inc. 6066 Champagne ct, SE Grand Rapids, Mi 49546 email VARTALAPA@AOL.COM _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From mihir@eyepiece.com Thu Apr 9 22:24:42 1998 Message-Id: <199804100224.WAA16375@www10.clever.net> From: "Mihir Meghani" To: Subject: Mihir's Reflections Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 21:09:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 X-MimeOle: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namaste Everyone, I delayed responding as I do not know what Varsha Pratipadha means and I was hoping someone would urge the use of translations alongside Sanskrit ! However, I got the gist from everyone else. First of all, it is really nice to see all of us making better use of the GC net. This is really improving communication. I am doing fine - almost done the 1st yr of my residency. Yesterday, I was elected Treasuer of the Michigan Emergency Medicine Residents Association. It is really nice to present pharmaceutical company reps, department chairman, and other big people with my card with Hindu Students Council on it and the HSC and VHP logos - unabashed as it shows we are proud of our groups and our Hindu identity. I also love to give everyone my hindunet email. Anyway, here is the relevant info: 1. What programs, activities have you had in your area from Nov 1997 to Mar 1998? Dr. Goswami mentioned the VHPA-Mich things. As for HSC, I will let Jwalant post a report on the whole Midwest region later as he is our regional coordinator. 2. What programs, activities are you planning to have in your area for the rest of the year? Dr. Goswami addressed most of this. I will add some information about our upcoming youth conference in the next email. Also, the same day as that conf, we will have a fund raising dinner where HSC will be the main beneficiary. 3. When are you having the Hindu Heritage Day celebration? Dr. Goswami addressed this. 4. When are you having the Youth Conference? May 30. 5. Any other news item you would like to report. I am extremely happy to see HV coming out regularly. I recommend that HSC and VHP get an advertising agency for all our publications and web site. I want to thank Sushim uncle again for all the great SAC work and request him to update us on his plans (when he is leaving the US and where we can reach him). I hope that SAC work continues as organized as prior. Thanks ! _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ScholarlyP@aol.com Thu Apr 9 23:53:11 1998 From: ScholarlyP Message-ID: <4bc212c5.352d9784@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 23:52:34 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Change of e-mail address Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Please change my e-mail address to rcarlton53@aol.com . Thank you. Subhash Gupta _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Jitendra_Goel@qmail4.nba.TRW.COM Fri Apr 10 19:31:08 1998 Message-ID: Date: 10 Apr 1998 16:27:13 -0600 From: "Jitendra Goel" Subject: Re: Varsha Pratipada and Re To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.3d2 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 RE>>Varsha Pratipada and Reflections 4/10/98 -------------------------------------- Date: 3/24/98 2:50 PM To: Jitendra Goel From: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namaste to everyone: Varsha pratipada is coming up so I thought it would be worthwhile for us to reflect on our goals, plans and accomplishments for the year, particularly, in light of the resolutions we had made at the GC meeting in Antioch, CA last November. To help us in this exercise, I have listed five simple questions below, and request each one us to please take a few minutes to answer them. (It should not take more 5 minutes). Manhar Valand and I will compile the answers and report back to the GC. You can e-mail it to: abhaya@lucent.com or just reply to vhpgc-l@hindunet.org, in which case all of us will benefit from whatever you have to share. Once again, abhinandan, and hope to hear from you. abhaya asthana -------------- 1. What programs, activities have you had in your area from Nov 1997 to Mar 1998? a) We have four different Bal Vihars in our area. They meet every other Sunday b) We have Greater L.A. chapter coordination meeting every month c) We had a grand HOLI function recently, which was attended by more then 400 adults and youths d) We had several lectures by Mr. B.P.Sionghal ( Younger brother of Ma. Ashok Ji ) in our area. 2. What programs, activities are you planning to have in your area for the rest of the year? We are planing to have the following four activities a) A vhp camp in June b) A grand Deepawali function around Deewali time c) Ramnavmi function in April d) Sangeet Sandhiya in October ( A VHP fund raiser ) 3. When are you having the Hindu Heritage Day celebration? Not decided yet 4. When are you having the Youth Conference? Not decided yet 5. Any other news item you would like to report. In my last trip to Bharat, I went to see Ma. Ashok Ji at his Allahabad residence and requested him to send one big name VHP person to US. He proposed Ritambra Ji's name. Unfortunately it did not work out due to the unexpected elections.My purpose is to get a big name personality here and arrange a big function in our area ( may be in several other cities also ). I am planning to have it FREE of cost and possibly have dinner also. That way we will be able to gather about 1000-1500 Hindu minded people. We can have a cultural program, which will attract the people. In the same meeting also have a inspiring lecture by a strong speaker like Ritambra Ji. It will make the people aware of what VHP is doing. I am sure atleast 100 persons will come forward to help once they know the cause. The problem I face in LA area is that the people are not aware of VHP, what it stands for and what we are doing. Once they know they I am optimistic that they will come forward to help. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by qmail4.sp.trw.com with ADMIN;24 Mar 1998 14:50:25 -0700 Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) id RAA03094; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:43:05 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <351832CA.339@lucent.com> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:25:14 -0500 From: "abhaya asthana, 508-960-4273" Organization: Bell Labs, Lucent Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Varsha Pratipada and Reflections References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Jitendra_Goel@qmail4.nba.TRW.COM Fri Apr 10 19:44:09 1998 Message-ID: Date: 10 Apr 1998 16:35:55 -0600 From: "Jitendra Goel" Subject: Re: Varsha Pratipada and Re To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.3d2 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 RE>>Varsha Pratipada and Re 4/10/98 -------------------------------------- Date: 4/10/98 4:39 PM To: Jitendra Goel From: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org RE>>Varsha Pratipada and Reflections 4/10/98 -------------------------------------- Date: 3/24/98 2:50 PM To: Jitendra Goel From: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namaste to everyone: Varsha pratipada is coming up so I thought it would be worthwhile for us to reflect on our goals, plans and accomplishments for the year, particularly, in light of the resolutions we had made at the GC meeting in Antioch, CA last November. To help us in this exercise, I have listed five simple questions below, and request each one us to please take a few minutes to answer them. (It should not take more 5 minutes). Manhar Valand and I will compile the answers and report back to the GC. You can e-mail it to: abhaya@lucent.com or just reply to vhpgc-l@hindunet.org, in which case all of us will benefit from whatever you have to share. Once again, abhinandan, and hope to hear from you. abhaya asthana -------------- 1. What programs, activities have you had in your area from Nov 1997 to Mar 1998? a) We have four different Bal Vihars in our area. They meet every other Sunday b) We have Greater L.A. chapter coordination meeting every month c) We had a grand HOLI function recently, which was attended by more then 400 adults and youths d) We had several lectures by Mr. B.P.Sionghal ( Younger brother of Ma. Ashok Ji ) in our area. 2. What programs, activities are you planning to have in your area for the rest of the year? We are planing to have the following four activities a) A vhp camp in June b) A grand Deepawali function around Deewali time c) Ramnavmi function in April d) Sangeet Sandhiya in October ( A VHP fund raiser ) 3. When are you having the Hindu Heritage Day celebration? Not decided yet 4. When are you having the Youth Conference? Not decided yet 5. Any other news item you would like to report. In my last trip to Bharat, I went to see Ma. Ashok Ji at his Allahabad residence and requested him to send one big name VHP person to US. He proposed Ritambra Ji's name. Unfortunately it did not work out due to the unexpected elections.My purpose is to get a big name personality here and arrange a big function in our area ( may be in several other cities also ). I am planning to have it FREE of cost and possibly have dinner also. That way we will be able to gather about 1000-1500 Hindu minded people. We can have a cultural program, which will attract the people. In the same meeting also have a inspiring lecture by a strong speaker like Ritambra Ji. It will make the people aware of what VHP is doing. I am sure atleast 100 persons will come forward to help once they know the cause. The problem I face in LA area is that the people are not aware of VHP, what it stands for and what we are doing. Once they know they I am optimistic that they will come forward to help. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by qmail4.sp.trw.com with ADMIN;24 Mar 1998 14:50:25 -0700 Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) id RAA03094; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:43:05 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <351832CA.339@lucent.com> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:25:14 -0500 From: "abhaya asthana, 508-960-4273" Organization: Bell Labs, Lucent Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Varsha Pratipada and Reflections References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by qmail4.sp.trw.com with ADMIN;10 Apr 1998 16:38:00 -0700 Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) id TAA23523; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 19:31:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: 10 Apr 1998 16:27:13 -0600 From: "Jitendra Goel" Subject: Re: Varsha Pratipada and Re To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.3d2 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Jitendra_Goel@qmail4.nba.TRW.COM Fri Apr 10 19:44:07 1998 Message-ID: Date: 10 Apr 1998 16:35:00 -0600 From: "Jitendra Goel" Subject: Re: 1999 VHP calenders To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.3d2 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 RE>1999 VHP calenders 4/10/98 Dear Shardanand Ji, I am glad that you are doing the calenders with the theme of RAM this year. We have been 50-100 VHP calenders and distributing/ selling them to Hindu minded people. What does it take to become a sponcer. Regards Jitendra -------------------------------------- Date: 4/7/98 7:13 PM To: Jitendra Goel From: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namashkar, We have been sposoring VHP calendars from Houston chapterr for last few years. If any other chapters would like to sponsor or place an order. Follwing information is From Shri Shardanandji. This year calenders were sold out. Vijay Pallod. Houston Texas As usual, this is the time we have hegun to prepare for the 1999 calendar. Although it seems that it is too early for 1999 calendar when we are just finishing the distribution of 1998 calendear. To us it is a year long project. As soon as we finish the current year calendar we begin to prepare for the next year. 1999 calendar will feature the life Maryada Purushottam Bhagwan Shri Ram. As in the previous years, this calendar will have 133 colored pictures of Shri Ram including the coverr page. The pictureshave been made by an artist for this purpose. Each picture reveals the internal and external strength of Shri Ram's character. You will be seeing some of these pictures for the first time. Now we need your help and cooperation. Enclosed please find the event listing for the year 1999. We request to you to please look into the list and marke the dates and the name of events that should be included in the the calendar. The reply by April 15, 1998 will be appreciated.(list not enclosed with this email) With regards Shardanand 301-670-9429 email prayagraj@erols.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by qmail4.sp.trw.com with ADMIN;7 Apr 1998 19:12:25 -0700 Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) id XAA16917; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 23:05:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Pallod Message-ID: <762c74c0.352ae915@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 23:03:47 EDT To: VHPGC-l@hindunet.org Cc: hrtalk@hindunet.org, prajagraj@erols.com, Starpipe2@aol.com, sharad01@juno.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: 1999 VHP calenders Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From gulaniu@pacbell.net Sat Apr 11 13:15:01 1998 Message-ID: <352FA475.6CB1@pacbell.net> Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 10:12:21 -0700 From: Uma Gulaniu X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Varsha Pratipada and Re References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org May I correct Jitendra Ji's information a little for Los Angeles Area. 1. VHP Camp is on May 15-17 2. Sangeet Sandhya Fund Raiser will be 2nd or 3rd week of September depending on the availability of the facility 3. Ramnavmi and Hindu Heritage days are being celebrated on April 18 With Regards to all Uma Gulani Jitendra Goel wrote: > > RE>>Varsha Pratipada and Re 4/10/98 > > -------------------------------------- > Date: 4/10/98 4:39 PM > To: Jitendra Goel > From: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > RE>>Varsha Pratipada and Reflections 4/10/98 > > -------------------------------------- > Date: 3/24/98 2:50 PM > To: Jitendra Goel > From: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Namaste to everyone: > > Varsha pratipada is coming up so I thought it would be > worthwhile for us to reflect on our goals, plans and > accomplishments for the year, > particularly, in light of the resolutions we had made > at the GC meeting in Antioch, CA last November. To help us > in this exercise, I have listed five simple questions below, > and request each one us to please take a few minutes to answer > them. (It should not take more 5 minutes). > Manhar Valand and I will compile the answers and report > back to the GC. > > You can e-mail it to: > > abhaya@lucent.com > > or just reply to vhpgc-l@hindunet.org, in which case all > of us will benefit from whatever you have to share. > > Once again, abhinandan, and hope to hear from you. > > abhaya asthana > -------------- > > 1. What programs, activities have you had in your area from Nov 1997 > to Mar 1998? > > a) We have four different Bal Vihars in our area. They meet every other Sunday > b) We have Greater L.A. chapter coordination meeting every month > c) We had a grand HOLI function recently, which was attended by more then 400 adults and youths > d) We had several lectures by Mr. B.P.Sionghal ( Younger brother of Ma. Ashok Ji ) in our area. > > 2. What programs, activities are you planning to have in your area > for the rest of the year? > We are planing to have the following four activities > a) A vhp camp in June > b) A grand Deepawali function around Deewali time > c) Ramnavmi function in April > d) Sangeet Sandhiya in October ( A VHP fund raiser ) > > 3. When are you having the Hindu Heritage Day celebration? > > Not decided yet > > 4. When are you having the Youth Conference? > > Not decided yet > > 5. Any other news item you would like to report. > > In my last trip to Bharat, I went to see Ma. Ashok Ji at his Allahabad residence and requested him to send one big name VHP person to US. He proposed Ritambra > > _____________________________ > For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ > Received: by qmail4.sp.trw.com with ADMIN;24 Mar 1998 14:50:25 -0700 > Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) id RAA03094; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:43:05 -0500 (EST) > Message-Id: <351832CA.339@lucent.com> > Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:25:14 -0500 > From: "abhaya asthana, 508-960-4273" > Organization: Bell Labs, Lucent Technologies > X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) > Mime-Version: 1.0 > To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Subject: Re: Varsha Pratipada and Reflections > References: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > _____________________________ > For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ > Received: by qmail4.sp.trw.com with ADMIN;10 Apr 1998 16:38:00 -0700 > Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) id TAA23523; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 19:31:54 -0400 (EDT) > Message-ID: > Date: 10 Apr 1998 16:27:13 -0600 > From: "Jitendra Goel" > Subject: Re: Varsha Pratipada and Re > To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.3d2 > X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Mime-Version: 1.0 > > _____________________________ > For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From srtiwari@hotmail.com Sat Apr 11 23:35:58 1998 Message-ID: <19980412033525.2583.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [170.140.250.225] From: "shyam tiwari" To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Disasterous storm in Atlanta Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 20:35:25 PDT X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Namaste Most of you may aleady be aware that many counties in and around Atlanta area were struck by severe lightening and thunderstorm thursday night. As a result, lives of many of our own people and others have been affected diretly. Red Cross started soliciting funds for the disaster relief operation in Atlanta area. On behalf of VHP of America, Atlanta chapter has donated $1000.00 to the Red Cross disastor relief fund. We are also raising money to help some other needy families directly. Regards Shyam Tiwari ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From YLakra@aol.com Sun Apr 12 22:52:26 1998 From: YLakra Message-ID: <67c04476.35317dc8@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 22:51:50 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Disasterous storm in Atlanta Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 86 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Shri Sham ji, the Atlanta chapter deserve honor and praise for rising to the occasion for offering a helping hand to the community hit by natural disaster. Yash Pal Lakra. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajayshah@rocketmail.com Mon Apr 13 16:03:34 1998 Message-ID: <19980413200048.26121.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:00:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Ajay Shah Subject: Re: Disasterous storm in Atlanta To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Namaskar Shyamji Congratulations to you and the Atlanta chapter on this great service. Can we create a press release and send it to all the newspapers? thanks ajay === Please note that my e-mail address is : ajay@hindunet.org ---shyam tiwari wrote: > > Namaste > > Most of you may aleady be aware that many counties in and around Atlanta > area were struck by severe lightening and thunderstorm thursday night. > As a result, lives of many of our own people and others have been > affected diretly. Red Cross started soliciting funds for the disaster > relief operation in Atlanta area. On behalf of VHP of America, Atlanta > chapter has donated $1000.00 to the Red Cross disastor relief fund. We > are also raising money to help some other needy families directly. > > Regards > > Shyam Tiwari > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > _____________________________ > For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Jitendra_Goel@qmail4.nba.TRW.COM Mon Apr 13 17:52:18 1998 Message-ID: Date: 13 Apr 1998 14:48:28 -0600 From: "Jitendra Goel" Subject: Varsha Pratipada and Reflec To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.3d2 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Varsha Pratipada and Reflections 4/13/98 Bandhuvar, I recently came across the following article. I found it to be an eye opener. Pakistan has the atrocity to tell India how we should treat the minorities in India. Can anything be done about it. Regards Jitendra Minorities in Pakistan subjected to inhuman treatment: HRCP New Delhi: Minorities in Pakistan are being subjected to inhuman treatment by the law making agencies, according to a Human Rights Commission of Pakistan report. The minorities comprising mainly Hindus, Ahmediyas and Christians, are ill-treated by police and administration and the judiciary has not been able to come to their rescue, the report released last month said. Girls belonging to minority community were forcibly confined, converted and married to men of majority community, the report said quoting Krishan Bheel, member of national assembly. HRCP quoted a particular incident in which a brother and a sister went to Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif's 'open durbar' to complain about land grabbing by influential men of the majority community. The Prime Minister too could not do anything for them, the HRCP noted in its report, adding that minorities were now voicing their anger and openly asking Pakistani authorities to "give us justice or send us to India." The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan is a non-governmental organisation which for last five years has acted as a watch dog on atrocities committed in Pakistan. The minorities are caught in a dilemma whether to convert to the majority religion without genuine understanding of Islam or face apparent disadvantage of being non-Muslims, the HRCP report said. Amidst reports of large-scale conversion, the Pakistan government promised to get these probed by a parliamentary delegation, but nothing concrete has been done so far, it said. The minority division in the Ministry of Religious Affairs was also abolished with a promise to set up a National Minority Commission which was yet to take shape, the commission said. Christians are also subjected to atrocities including kidnapping, conversion and looting of houses. The Jamaat-ul-Islamia has tightened the noose against this community and has put a 'full stop' to any preaching of their religion within Pakistani territory, it said. The Sharif government finds itself helpless and had to bow before the pressure of fundamentalist elements. The judiciary in the case of minorities is also facing severe problems as their ruling in the case of minorities should be made in accordance with the Islamic laws, the commission said. In the absence of any stringent laws the fate of minorities in Pakistan continues to be undecided and they face torture almost every day, it said. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Mon Apr 13 18:51:16 1998 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 14:43:27 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: hsc-family@hindunet.org Cc: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: FreeIndia Forums : Please participate (fwd) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FreeIndia.Org is a GHEN website a project of Hindu Students Council There are several special interest forums on FreeIndia Site. We would like to welcome you to participate on these forums. http://www.freeindia.org/forums/ If you have ideas/suggestions about additional forums, please let me know. You are also welcome to moderate forums on FreeIndia. regards, ajay shah _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From cbando@mail1.dac.neu.edu Tue Apr 14 01:37:17 1998 From: Chandan Bandopadhyay Message-Id: <199804140537.BAA19920@lynx01.dac.neu.edu> Subject: An Article for Hindu Vishwa To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 01:37:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Hinduism and the Media: Let Us Hear Something Good For a Change ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dr. David Frawley Hinduism is the third largest religion in the world with close to a billion followers world wide. It is also the oldest religion of the world, with its roots going back over five thousand years. In addition it is the largest of the non- Biblical traditions, having different revelation that offers another perspective on the universe, which Hindus see as permeated with consciousness. Yet, most importantly, Hinduism is the largest pluralistic religion in the world. Hinduism teaches that "Truth is One but the paths are many." Hindus therefore do not see the need to convert the world to any single belief, savior or prophet. To them this would be as defeating to the purpose of life, similar to making one form of dress or one type of diet compulsory for all. Aren't we seeking such an acceptance of religious diversity in this new global age of multiculturalism? We can no longer hold that any single religion is only true one for humanity any more than we can claim that any one nation, linguistic group, or race is supreme. Religion like art or science has its counterparts everywhere and no group can claim to own it. Indeed it has been said that there are more religions inside Hinduism than out of it. Hinduism is a religion filled with every name and form of God, male and female, Father and Mother. Hinduism has numerous scriptures, many Divine incarnations or Sons and Daughters of God, many great saints and yogis and innumerable holy sites. In the twentieth century alone Hinduism has produced a whole galaxy of great teachers, not merely the more well known Mahatma Gandhi but Sri Aurobindo, Paramahansa Yogananda, Ramana Maharshi, Anandamayi Ma, Swami Vivekananda, Swami Shivananda, Prabhupada, and Sai Baba to name but a few. Many of these have considerable followings in the West. Hinduism also is no longer limited to India but has spread throughout the world.There are also now about a million Hindus in the United States, mainly immigrants from India of the last few decades. Such Hindu-Americans are not poor or uneducated either. In fact Indo-Americans, of which Hindus are the largest group, have among the highest per capita income and education of any group in America. Hindu Americans are prominent as doctors, teachers, computer scientists, and physicists. Anglo-Americans are more likely to find themselves working for Hindu Americans, than to have them as employees! In fact you will find a sizeable Hindu community in most major American cities, with their own temples, stores and newspapers. They may be your neighbors and if they are you will know that you have nothing to fear from them. A similar size and status group of Hindus exists in England as well. A Hindu influence has penetrated much of the New Age movement in America and Hindu concepts like karma and rebirth are accepted by many people. The new interest in meditation in the West was initiated largely by Hindu teachers. Hindu terms like mantra and guru are now part of the English language. Hindu based Yoga teachings and exercises are taught throughout the country. However when was the last time you read a positive story about Hinduism in the American news reports? Have you ever read a positive story about Hinduism in the media of this country? Most likely not. Why is this the case? Is there nothing positive worth reporting about Hinduism? Is there nothing of value that Hindus, comprising one-sixth of humanity, have to offer the rest of humanity, even by way of curiosity? If there are positive stories about India it is usually about Indians becoming Western in their ways or abandoning Hinduism, not finding that their religious tradition aids them in life or in understanding the world. Clearly there are many groups that have had a vested interest against Hinduism. But isn't the world at a stage at which we can no longer let such vested interests dominate the media and educational fields which should serve the cause of truth, not sectarian aims? What do we read about Hinduism in the media? First very little, just as little about India ever comes into the news either. If Hindu practices are referred to, they are dismissed as crude polytheism, even though monism, the belief that everything is God, is the very basis of Hinduism. While statues of Christ are called icons, those of Hindu forms of God like Krishna or Shiva are called idols. What few stories about Hinduism occur are mainly sensational and negative like wife burning, neglected widows or caste conflicts. We fail to consider that these Indian social problems are not owing to the religion, which teaches us to regard all beings as our own Self and all the world as one family, but simply human problems that have their counterparts in all countries. What would we in America think if the media of India portrayed Christianity according to American social problems of crime, drug usage, and sexual promiscuity? Or if they called Christian icons idols or referred to the Catholic mass as a strange ritual of human cannibalism. Sound pretty prejudiced. Well that is what Hindus have to face seeing their religion portrayed in the misinformed and prejudiced media of today. Many Americans think Hinduism is not a religion but a collection of cults that are likely to be dangerous if Westerners take them up. Let them tell that to a Hindu physicist, surgeon or computer scientist living in America. Surely Hindus, while faithfully following their religion, can excel in both economic and educational fields as good as any Christian. Hindus also compare well in family values compared to Christian counterparts and are much less likely to suffer from divorce, adultery, or neglect of children. Take a prime American newspaper like the New York Times, which is supposed to have a strong international sense, and see what we mean. Show us one positive story about Hinduism that the paper has published in the last year. Show us one positive story about Hinduism that it has ever published. Show us even a positive story it has published about India that speaks of Hinduism favorably. We have not been able to find any and we have been looking for a long time. We have, however, found a number of negative stories, generally misinformed. Now of course one can argue that there are bad things in Hinduism. They exist in all religions, but even Islam, with its recent history of terrorism, militancy, and suicide bombings, gets portrayed in a much more favorable light than Hinduism. Why is Hinduism singled out for a special denigration? Is it because Hinduism is so bad or because Hindus, being largely passive people, seldom challenge these distortions? All Hindus want is an equal and balanced treatment. If you print what is bad about Hinduism, print also what is good about it. If you can't find anything good about it, contact some Hindus and open a dialogue with them. After all they are human beings and many are intelligent, successful and spiritual. If you can't find something good to say about Hinduism can you claim that you have no prejudice against it? Hinduism is a religion that promotes many compassionate causes. It believes in ecological responsibility and says like Native Americans that the Earth is our mother. It champions protection of animals, which it considers also have souls, and promotes vegetarianism. It has a strong tradition of non-violence or ahimsa. It holds the worlds largest tradition of the worship of God as feminine and as the Divine Mother. It believes that God is present in all nature, in all creatures, and in every human being regardless of their faith or lack of it. It has beautiful music, art and drama and one of the largest literatures in the world. It has many systems of philosophy and the vast spiritual culture of Yoga and Vedanta. It has the Sanskrit language, by many accounts, the most sophisticated in the world. What is there to fear in all this except perhaps the breaking down of prejudice? Of course you can look at the bad side of Hinduism only, but what would occur with Christianity and Islam if we only portrayed their bad side? There was a time when nothing positive was printed about religions other than Christianity and perhaps Judaism in the West. We have advanced beyond that point. Even Buddhism is getting some good press and good movies, and it has much in common with Hinduism, being an offshoot of it, much like Christianity arose from Judaism and shares many of its common beliefs. Even Native American beliefs, which like the Hindu were once denigrated as pagan superstition, are being viewed in a more positive light for their Earth and life positive values. Therefore it is time for this anti-Hindu prejudice to be removed from the media just as past prejudices. Can the so-called liberal media of America rise up to this task? We Hindus and Hindu groups request that you take up this cause. Otherwise you are denigrating a significant portion of humanity and our global heritage. If you need help let us know. We will try to help you as best we can. Chandan cbando@lynx.neu.edu **************************************************************************** * "This life is short, the vanities of the world are transient, but they * * alone live who live for others, the rest are more dead than alive" * * - Vishwa Vivek * **************************************************************************** Chandan cbando@lynx.neu.edu **************************************************************************** * "This life is short, the vanities of the world are transient, but they * * alone live who live for others, the rest are more dead than alive" * * - Vishwa Vivek * **************************************************************************** _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Vartalapa@aol.com Tue Apr 14 12:23:55 1998 From: Vartalapa Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:23:14 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Varsha Pratipada and Reflec Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org In reference to Shree Jitendra Goel ji 's letter I think one possibly effective tool to bring about a change in the thinking of the U S Govt. can be to fax this kind of news items to senetors / congressman etc. Specially, one can help the pro - India legislaters obtain more information. In their bussy scheduals they don't read as much as we think. Marketing of information, the new tools of success !!! Hope it is a helpful idea. Renu _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Jitendra_Goel@qmail4.nba.TRW.COM Tue Apr 14 16:41:14 1998 Message-ID: Date: 14 Apr 1998 13:34:47 -0600 From: "Jitendra Goel" Subject: Re: Varsha Pratipada and Re To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.3d2 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 RE>>Varsha Pratipada and Reflec 4/14/98 Baheno and Bhaiyo, I need VHP's Delhi head quarter's E-Mail address. Two days back I sent a mail at their SANGAM address, but it came back undelivered. Please help. Jitendra -------------------------------------- Date: 4/14/98 9:33 AM To: Jitendra Goel From: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org In reference to Shree Jitendra Goel ji 's letter I think one possibly effective tool to bring about a change in the thinking of the U S Govt. can be to fax this kind of news items to senetors / congressman etc. Specially, one can help the pro - India legislaters obtain more information. In their bussy scheduals they don't read as much as we think. Marketing of information, the new tools of success !!! Hope it is a helpful idea. Renu _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by qmail4.sp.trw.com with ADMIN;14 Apr 1998 09:32:00 -0700 Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) id MAA17405; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:24:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Vartalapa Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:23:14 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Varsha Pratipada and Reflec Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From cbando@mail1.dac.neu.edu Tue Apr 14 17:35:59 1998 From: Chandan Bandopadhyay Message-Id: <199804142135.RAA13425@lynx01.dac.neu.edu> Subject: 1998 Hindu Youth Conference, Boston To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 17:35:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org 1998 New England Hindu Youth Conference at Ball Room, Northeastern University Boston Campus Saturday, June 6, 1998 9:00 am - 9:00 pm A Whole Day Meeting Of Over 500 Students, Ages 8-24 Years Theme: The Place of Youth in Hindu Culture * Debates, Speeches, and Discussions by Students on Social, Spiritual and Academic Topics * Program for Children Under 8 years * Parents Workshop and Panel Discussions Other Events: - Cultural Show - Garba Rass/Dandia Lunch and Dinner will be served Fees: $15 per Person and $40 per Family This event is sponsored by: Hindu Students Council, VHP of America, Hindu Swayamsevak Sangh, Jain Pathshala, Satsang, Maratha Mandal, Sadhu Vaswani Center Contact Info: Balram Singh 508-994-0841 Ajit Jadeja 603-893-0830 Jaya Asthana 617-876-2162 Email: ajadeja@baynetworks.com abhaya@lucent.com http://www.hindunet.org/hsc/boston_youth98 Free parking is Available -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1998 Hindu Youth Conference Registration Form 1. Name: a) First__________________________ Last_____________________ Age:____ F__ M__ b) First__________________________ Last_____________________ Age:____ F__ M__ c) First__________________________ Last_____________________ Age:____ F__ M__ d) First__________________________ Last_____________________ Age:____ F__ M__ 2. Permanent Address: ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ 3. Permanent Phone: (____) _______-_________ 4. E-mail: 5. Guardian's Name: __________________________________________________ 6. Your Interests: (Topics for your age in Session #1 and Session #2) a) I would like to speak on the following topics in the Conference: I. Name:____________________________ Topic Name:_______________________ II. Name:____________________________ Topic Name _______________________ III. Name:____________________________ Topic Name:_______________________ IV. Name:____________________________ Topic Name:_______________________ b) What would you like to do in the cultural program? : a.) Dance ( ), b.Music ( ), c. Skit ( ) d.) Other __________________________. Amount of application fee: $ ______________ Check No :_________________ ($15 per student or $40 per family) ----------------------------------- X-------------------------------------- Please mail the form and check to:( Please make the checks payable to: VHP of America ) Ajit Jadeja 18 Stonepost Rd. Salem, NH 03079 Phone: 603-893-0830 Ajadeja@baynetworks.com Please feel free to make more copies ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Tentative Program (Saturday, June 6, 1998) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tea/Milk/Fruits/Cereals 8:30 AM to 9:00 AM Registration 9:00 AM to 10:00 AM Inaugural Session - 10:00 AM to 11:15 AM Keynote Addresses - 1) Growing-up in America as a Hindu 2) Echoes of the Past: Voices of the Future 3) Hindu Dharma as a Spring Board to a Prosperous Future Swamiji's Message Vande Matram Parallel Session #1: 11:30 to 12:30 PM 1) What is good about Hindu Culture ages 8-11 2) Q & A: Significance of Hindu Rituals ages 12-14 3) Portrayal of Hindu Dharma to the West ages 15-18 4) Swamiji's Benediction adult 5) Program for children under 8 years Lunch: 12:30 to 1:45 PM Parallel Session #2: 2:00 to 3:00 PM 1) Famous Indian Child Heroes ages 8-11 2) Social Responsibility and Indian Family: ages 12-14 3) Assimilation: Weaving a Cultural Mosaic for the 21st Century ages 15-18 4) The Roles of Eminent Women in Hindu Culture Adult 5) Program for children under 8 years Demos and Snacks 3:00 to 4:00 PM * Mehendi * Martial Art * Sari Wearing * Yoga * Slide Shows Concluding Session & Cultural Program 4:00 to 6:00 PM Speech: 1) The Role of youth and the future of Hindu Society Speech: 2) The Value of Hindu Culture Cultural Program Items Dinner 6:00 to 7:30 PM Garba Rass/Dandia 7:30 to 8:30 PM For More Information Please Contact: Balram Singh, 508-994-0841 Ajit Jadeja, 603-893-0830 Brij Garg, 603-898-1312 Jaya Asthana, 617-876-2162 Meenal Pandya, 617-235-7441 Nachiketa Tiwari, 508-261-1274 Prita Sharma, 617-373-2728 Lalit Goel, 781-270-5666 Sanjay Mehta, 617-255-5877 Sudhir Parikh, 603-623-1930 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DIRECTIONS to Ball Room(Student Center), Northeastern University: Public transportation: Take the Orange Line to Ruggles Street. Use exit door marked Northeastern. Walk straight ahead, parallel to the Egan Rirch Center. Turn right and Snell Library is the building straight ahead. Green Line riders take the "E" or "Arborway" trolley to the Northeastern University stop. Walk through the brick plaza until you reach the Snell Library building straight ahead. >From the West - Take Mass. Pike (190) east into the Boston area. Exit at Copley/Prudential. Take Prudential option. This will put you on Huntington Avenue going west. Stay in right lane since you will be staying to the right of the underpass. This is a sm all 2-lane section road and you will be taking a left at the light(Massachusetts Avenue). While on Massachusetts Avenue stay in the right lane since you will be taking a right on Columbus Avenue. Turn right onto Columbus and then enter the visitor/pay lot about 1/2 mile on the right. >From the South - Take Rte. 93 north, and exit at Massachusetts Avenue. At the bottom of the ramp, continue straight onto Melnea Cass Boulevard. Cross Tremont Street and turn right onto Columbus Avenue. The Visitor/Pay lot is about 1/4 mile on the left. >From the North - Take Rte. 93 south, and exit at Massachusetts Avenue. Same as above. Free parking is available. Chandan cbando@lynx.neu.edu **************************************************************************** * "This life is short, the vanities of the world are transient, but they * * alone live who live for others, the rest are more dead than alive" * * - Vishwa Vivek * **************************************************************************** _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajayshah@rocketmail.com Tue Apr 14 18:15:30 1998 Message-ID: <19980414221246.28083.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 15:12:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Ajay Shah Subject: Kumbha Mela Site on Hindu Universe To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org, hsc-family@hindunet.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Namaskar, Hindu Universe site on Kumbha Mela can be found at : http://www.hindunet.org/festivals/kumbha_mela/ Hindu Universe (http://www.hindunet.org) is comprehensive site on Hindu dharma maintained by Global Hindu Electronic Networks (GHEN). GHEN is a project of Hindu Students Council, the largest organization of Hindu students outside India. You will be glad to know that CNN website has referred to us for more information about Hindu dharma. -ajay shah === Please note that my e-mail address is : ajay@hindunet.org _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From MUKERJS@sterlingdi.com Wed Apr 15 12:11:28 1998 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:33:00 -0500 From: Sushim Mukerji To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Fwd: friend in Charleston Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_96C29A2C.0C6D03A6" X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=_96C29A2C.0C6D03A6 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Now I know that the Hindunet is working to my satisfaction. Thanks to Hindunet, I have been identified as a Hindu missionary. All we have to do is create a nationwide support group and implementors. Shiva Shiva. --=_96C29A2C.0C6D03A6 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from ggdns.gg.dupont.com by mhub2.lvs.dupont.com; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 21:01:19 -0400 Received: from stargate3.gg.dupont.com by gg.dupont.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-DNI-7.0.1) id AA10866; Tue, 14 Apr 98 20:57:44 EDT Received: from smtp.email.msn.com ([207.68.143.159]) by stargate3.gg.dupont.com via smtpd (for ggdns.sterlingdi.com [52.98.100.100]) with SMTP; 15 Apr 1998 01:00:36 UT Received: from rjiredff - 153.34.26.33 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 18:00:30 -0700 Message-Id: <00cd01bd6809$b64f8120$211a2299@rjiredff> X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 19:59:13 -0500 From: "Tom Smith" To: mukerjs@sterlingdi.com Subject: friend in Charleston Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Dear Sir: I saw that you had signed the guestbook of "The Hindu Universe" and that you live in SC. I am not a Hindu but I would like to learn more about it and possibly become one. I am seeking contacts in Charleston area and thought that you may know of some. I would greatly appreciate any assistance. Kindest regards, Tom Smith. --=_96C29A2C.0C6D03A6-- _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From MUKERJS@sterlingdi.com Wed Apr 15 12:12:56 1998 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:06:23 -0500 From: Sushim Mukerji To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: 1998 Hindu Youth Conference, Boston Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bhai Chandan, I request you to send this announcement to CalOnLine. Let everyone know about this wonderful program. If you send it, I suggest, you put your name or the name of another Bengalee as the contact person. All the best to you. Sushim Mukerji >>> Chandan Bandopadhyay 04/14 5:35 PM >>> 1998 New England Hindu Youth Conference at Ball Room, Northeastern University Boston Campus Saturday, June 6, 1998 9:00 am - 9:00 pm A Whole Day Meeting Of Over 500 Students, Ages 8-24 Years Theme: The Place of Youth in Hindu Culture * Debates, Speeches, and Discussions by Students on Social, Spiritual and Academic Topics * Program for Children Under 8 years * Parents Workshop and Panel Discussions Other Events: - Cultural Show - Garba Rass/Dandia Lunch and Dinner will be served Fees: $15 per Person and $40 per Family This event is sponsored by: Hindu Students Council, VHP of America, Hindu Swayamsevak Sangh, Jain Pathshala, Satsang, Maratha Mandal, Sadhu Vaswani Center Contact Info: Balram Singh 508-994-0841 Ajit Jadeja 603-893-0830 Jaya Asthana 617-876-2162 Email: ajadeja@baynetworks.com abhaya@lucent.com http://www.hindunet.org/hsc/boston_youth98 Free parking is Available -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1998 Hindu Youth Conference Registration Form 1. Name: a) First__________________________ Last_____________________ Age:____ F__ M__ b) First__________________________ Last_____________________ Age:____ F__ M__ c) First__________________________ Last_____________________ Age:____ F__ M__ d) First__________________________ Last_____________________ Age:____ F__ M__ 2. Permanent Address: ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ 3. Permanent Phone: (____) _______-_________ 4. E-mail: 5. Guardian's Name: __________________________________________________ 6. Your Interests: (Topics for your age in Session #1 and Session #2) a) I would like to speak on the following topics in the Conference: I. Name:____________________________ Topic Name:_______________________ II. Name:____________________________ Topic Name _______________________ III. Name:____________________________ Topic Name:_______________________ IV. Name:____________________________ Topic Name:_______________________ b) What would you like to do in the cultural program? : a.) Dance ( ), b.Music ( ), c. Skit ( ) d.) Other __________________________. Amount of application fee: $ ______________ Check No :_________________ ($15 per student or $40 per family) ----------------------------------- X-------------------------------------- Please mail the form and check to:( Please make the checks payable to: VHP of America ) Ajit Jadeja 18 Stonepost Rd. Salem, NH 03079 Phone: 603-893-0830 Ajadeja@baynetworks.com Please feel free to make more copies ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Tentative Program (Saturday, June 6, 1998) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tea/Milk/Fruits/Cereals 8:30 AM to 9:00 AM Registration 9:00 AM to 10:00 AM Inaugural Session - 10:00 AM to 11:15 AM Keynote Addresses - 1) Growing-up in America as a Hindu 2) Echoes of the Past: Voices of the Future 3) Hindu Dharma as a Spring Board to a Prosperous Future Swamiji's Message Vande Matram Parallel Session #1: 11:30 to 12:30 PM 1) What is good about Hindu Culture ages 8-11 2) Q & A: Significance of Hindu Rituals ages 12-14 3) Portrayal of Hindu Dharma to the West ages 15-18 4) Swamiji's Benediction adult 5) Program for children under 8 years Lunch: 12:30 to 1:45 PM Parallel Session #2: 2:00 to 3:00 PM 1) Famous Indian Child Heroes ages 8-11 2) Social Responsibility and Indian Family: ages 12-14 3) Assimilation: Weaving a Cultural Mosaic for the 21st Century ages 15-18 4) The Roles of Eminent Women in Hindu Culture Adult 5) Program for children under 8 years Demos and Snacks 3:00 to 4:00 PM * Mehendi * Martial Art * Sari Wearing * Yoga * Slide Shows Concluding Session & Cultural Program 4:00 to 6:00 PM Speech: 1) The Role of youth and the future of Hindu Society Speech: 2) The Value of Hindu Culture Cultural Program Items Dinner 6:00 to 7:30 PM Garba Rass/Dandia 7:30 to 8:30 PM For More Information Please Contact: Balram Singh, 508-994-0841 Ajit Jadeja, 603-893-0830 Brij Garg, 603-898-1312 Jaya Asthana, 617-876-2162 Meenal Pandya, 617-235-7441 Nachiketa Tiwari, 508-261-1274 Prita Sharma, 617-373-2728 Lalit Goel, 781-270-5666 Sanjay Mehta, 617-255-5877 Sudhir Parikh, 603-623-1930 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DIRECTIONS to Ball Room(Student Center), Northeastern University: Public transportation: Take the Orange Line to Ruggles Street. Use exit door marked Northeastern. Walk straight ahead, parallel to the Egan Rirch Center. Turn right and Snell Library is the building straight ahead. Green Line riders take the "E" or "Arborway" trolley to the Northeastern University stop. Walk through the brick plaza until you reach the Snell Library building straight ahead. >From the West - Take Mass. Pike (190) east into the Boston area. Exit at Copley/Prudential. Take Prudential option. This will put you on Huntington Avenue going west. Stay in right lane since you will be staying to the right of the underpass. This is a sm all 2-lane section road and you will be taking a left at the light(Massachusetts Avenue). While on Massachusetts Avenue stay in the right lane since you will be taking a right on Columbus Avenue. Turn right onto Columbus and then enter the visitor/pay lot about 1/2 mile on the right. >From the South - Take Rte. 93 north, and exit at Massachusetts Avenue. At the bottom of the ramp, continue straight onto Melnea Cass Boulevard. Cross Tremont Street and turn right onto Columbus Avenue. The Visitor/Pay lot is about 1/4 mile on the left. >From the North - Take Rte. 93 south, and exit at Massachusetts Avenue. Same as above. Free parking is available. Chandan cbando@lynx.neu.edu **************************************************************************** * "This life is short, the vanities of the world are transient, but they * * alone live who live for others, the rest are more dead than alive" * * - Vishwa Vivek * **************************************************************************** _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From 103021.752@compuserve.com Wed Apr 15 12:48:01 1998 Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:43:27 -0400 From: Viren Parikh <103021.752@compuserve.com> Subject: TIME magazine article on Mahatma Gandhi - April 13th issue Sender: Viren Parikh <103021.752@compuserve.com> To: "VHP Gov. Council" Message-ID: <199804151247_MC2-39F2-45A@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Dear friends: Recently, I read the article published in TIME magazine (April 13th issue) on Mahatma Gandhi written by Salman Rushdie. It is so full of trash that any Indian (Hindu) who reads it should be very angry and upset. In the same issue, the article on David Ben-Gurion, the leader of Israel, is fantastic. Obviously, because it is written by an Israeli author who understood his philosophy and is Jewish. On the other hand, TIME could only find a muslim writer, who happens to have been born in India, but has no idea about nonviolence or passive resistance. Salman Rushdie is such a coward that he went under ground when Ayatullah Khomeini called for his death for his novel The Satanic Verses . How can he understand a great man like Gandhji who was unafraid of guns and tanks of British army and was able to inspire millions of unarmed patriotic Indinas to march with him at the risk of loosing their lives. It is important that we publicize this matter and challenge a lot of people to write to the editor of TIME magazine expressing their dismay and anger. Also, some one should immediately write an appropriate article (and post it on the FreeIndia Forum) that truly paints Mahatma Gandhi as the founder of nonviolence movement which inspired Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela and Lech Walesa to adopt the method of nonviolent passive resistance in their struggle for freedom. Let us all begin by sending a letter to the editor at TIME magazine's E-mail address "Letters@time.com". Bharat Mata Ki Jai! Brohtherly yours, Virendra _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Wed Apr 15 17:33:04 1998 Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:25:06 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Cc: hsc-family@hindunet.org Subject: Hinduism Today and GHEN Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Namaskar, Hinduism Today is a prominent Hindu newsmagazine. GHEN is pleased to announce that GHEN and Hinduism Today have entered into an arrangement whereby all the subscriptions to Hinduism Today from GHEN websites will yield substantial benifit to Hindu Students Council. To qualify for the donation to HSC, the subscription from to Hinduism Today must be submitted from the page : http://www.hindunet.org/hinduism-today/ The yearly subscription is $39.00 Last quarter, we generated enough revenues to pay for 1/3 months of GHEN bills. If we ask all our friends and family to subscribe to Hinduism Today through GHEN, HSC will benifit substantially, and they will have a first rate Hindu newsmagazine. regards, ajay _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From srtiwari@hotmail.com Mon Apr 20 23:24:39 1998 Message-ID: <19980421032407.13814.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [170.140.250.149] From: "shyam tiwari" To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Killing in Kashmir Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:24:07 PDT X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Namaste This is a very sad day for Hidus and Bharat as whole. We are trying to draft a letter which can be sent to US Senators and Congressmen for their support and action through different organizations in Atlanta area and also individual phone calls and personal letters can be sent using the same. Every single letter sent is equivalent to 100 people and a phone call is equivalent to 500 people. If any of you can draft a nice short letter quickly that would also help. I have already emailed my letter to Prime Minister today the full text is as follows. Please note that this was a personal letter. NFIA has also agreed to help in this regard. ********************************************************************** Monday, April 20, 1998 Honorable Prime Minister Vajpayeeji: Namaste First of all I would like to extend my hearty congratulations to your government and God bless Bharat. I am deeply hurt by the cold blooded brutal killing of Hindu families in Kashmir. I think it is time to take some decisive action. Unlike previous warnings and stern warnings and expressing grave concern and so on and on wouldn’t help. Our enemy is not naïve and definitely not interested in listening to our hollow warnings. It is time to act and act now. I would like to point out few concrete steps which can be taken right away without any further warnings. 1. Declare Pakistan a terrorist state without waiting for US to do so. Specify what exactly that would mean to them. We can’t expect USA to do so before us doing first. In the past US Senators and Congressmen have specifically asked when approached for support that why India doesn’t declare Pakistan as a terrorist state. 2. Make it clear in no uncertain terms that any such terrorist act in future would be taken as an act of war. 3. Train, arm and provide army protection to Kashmiri Pandits. If Israel can protect Jews in their homeland there is no reason why we can’t do the same. I hope things would get better and once again wish for grand success of your government. Sincerely, Shyam Tiwari Tel: (770)232-0939 Fax: (770)497-8715 Jai Hind Bharat Mata Ki Jay ********************************************************************** Regards Shyam Tiwari ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Tue Apr 21 22:05:03 1998 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 17:57:03 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Sign Online Protest about Kashmir Massacre Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit More details and a formal announce will follow soon... I have quickly put together a site where you can read about the kashmir massacre and sign an online protest book. Please visit the site : http://www.hindunet.org/kashmir/killingsApr98/ regards, ajay _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Pallod@aol.com Wed Apr 22 09:23:57 1998 From: Pallod Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:23:24 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Cc: sharad01@juno.com, kulkarni@hal-org, hrtalk@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Wall Street journal Hindu article Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namashkar, Nice article about Ramanand Sagar. When WSJ writes nice article we should complement them. I know that when they write bad we all jump at them. Vijay K.Pallod Reigning Hindu TV Gods of India Have Viewers Glued to Their Sets By JONATHAN KARP and MICHAEL WILLIAMS Staff Reporters of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL BOMBAY, India -- Sex may drive the soap operas in America. But in India, what really moves the dishwashing liquid are serials based on ancient myths of Hindu gods. The man who divined this marketing truth is Ramanand Sagar, an 80-year-old video auteur. Every Sunday morning at 9, about 135 million Indians tune in to the weekly episode of his "Shri Krishna" serial, which chronicles the adventures of Krishna, a warrior-god whose discourse on the purpose of life is one of Hinduism's most sacred texts. Those viewers account for nearly half of all Indians with access to TV sets and exceed by 50 million the audience of the next-most-popular program, another myth-based soap. Ramanand Sagar "I've brought back faith in God," says Mr. Sagar, a short man who wears a wrap-around dhoti of shiny saffron, Hinduism's holy color. He and his imitators are so prolific that their niche in Bollywood, as Bombay's film industry is known, has been called the God Factory. Some actors -- god-hoppers -- star in several serials at once. But Mr. Sagar's shows are as controversial as they are popular. India, though predominantly Hindu, has Muslim and other minorities; to keep sectarian differences from flaring, the country's founders sought to build a secular national identity. So Mr. Sagar had to struggle to get his first god soap on state-run television. Today, intellectuals blame his "syndicated Hinduism" for helping the Hindu nationalist right gain power this year. Some bureaucrats, meanwhile, are trying to get state TV to cut back on theo-epics. Mr. Sagar's rise is an epic in itself. His father, who was partial to Rolls-Royces, squandered a family fortune, and Mr. Sagar had to hawk soap and wash trucks. Twice, he fell victim to religious strife whipped up by political rivalries. He joined the Hindu exodus from Lahore when the city became part of Muslim-dominated Pakistan in 1947. Later, Mr. Sagar fled war-torn Kashmir on a military plane, with no other belongings than some short stories and film manuscripts. Getting the Spirit Penniless, he turned up in Bombay, where, after a mystical first encounter with the ocean, he changed his name from Chopra to Sagar, which is Hindi for sea. At first, he slept on the street, but he was eventually hired to write the screenplay for "Barsaat," which turned out to be the blockbuster film of 1950. He went on to produce 25 movies, half of them box-office hits. All the while, Mr. Sagar says, he attended weekly study sessions on the Ramayana, the great epic about the Hindu god Ram's battle to rescue his wife from a demon. Suddenly one day he decided to quit commercial films and switch to devotional television. But it wasn't easy. He traveled the world soliciting funds, but wealthy Hindus scoffed at his spiritual credentials. The Indian state broadcaster balked at his proposal to serialize the Ramayana, until Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi endorsed it in the mid-1980s. Mr. Sagar launched the mythological-serial craze in 1987. His low-budget series "Ramayan" was so popular, even with non-Hindus, that some Christian churches rescheduled Sunday services so that parishioners wouldn't miss it. Intercity truckers pulled over at the nearest inn to catch the show. In 1988, the 78-episode series ended with Ram's coronation. Secularist politicians and bureaucrats were wary of extending the serial into the second half of Ram's life, but fearful of losing votes, the government let Mr. Sagar begin a sequel after public protests on his behalf -- including a garbage-collectors' strike. In the Field For Mr. Sagar, Bollywood and mythology coexist at his ramshackle studios in Bombay. He rents space to other filmmakers and tapes his TV shows out of town, where it is cheaper to hire extras and rent elephants. The real business here can be seen in a small warehouse, stacked with saffron-colored videocassettes of the "Ramayan" series that Mr. Sagar's son, Prem, is churning out for India's budding home-video market. "Ramayan" is available in a handy 26-cassette gift pack, so highly prized that some Hindu brides include it in their dowries, says Prem, one of the four Sagar sons in the business. Prem is busy exploring spinoff possibilities. "We're now digitalizing ['Ramayan']," he says, "adding surround-sound and planning to release it in a big way, like 'Gone with the Wind.' " His latest venture is to offer free showings of the enhanced mythological soaps in small-town cinemas -- and to charge toothpaste, cosmetics and hair-care makers fees to use the gatherings for testing new products. At a recent festival attended by 10 million Hindu pilgrims, the Sagars staged mass outdoor screenings of "Ramayan." Their brochure promised advertisers "virgin reach -- deep into the heart and soul of India." The programs aren't likely to win any prizes. The latest episode of "Shri Krishna" consisted mainly of static headshots of Krishna and wooden dialogue. In one episode, when Krishna is asked for advice, the camera cuts to the star, who suddenly bloats to a height of about 40 feet, points into the distance and dispenses wisdom. "We can't afford Hollywood effects," shrugs Prem. Indian audiences are gripped by the morals of the story and the fantastic images of Hindu gods. Advertisers, including the makers of Pepsodent and Pond's cream, lap it up, too. "Shri Krishna" is the biggest ad-revenue earner ever for India's state broadcaster. Bad Influence Liberal historians, though, say the soaps must go. Not only do mythological pictures distort history, they argue, but the serials also catalyzed the drive by the Bharatiya Janata Party, which came to power last month, to mobilize religious support. They recall the revivalist frenzy that ended violently in 1992, when Hindu fanatics razed a mosque in Ayodhya, Ram's reputed birthplace. The board of India's national broadcaster, reflecting these views, recently imposed an informal moratorium on new mythological soaps. At least five are running at the moment, including Mr. Sagar's. "We're propagating religiosity, a belief in miracles that subverts secular values," says S.S. Gill, the board's chairman, who derides the serials as garish calendar art. Mr. Gill, paradoxically, was the civil servant who commissioned "Ramayan," which he still considers a great national and social epic. But today, "we're overdoing it," says the lifelong Marxist. Besides, he adds, Mr. Sagar "isn't as good as he used to be." Mr. Sagar may soon get his revenge. The Hindu-nationalist BJP plans to oust Mr. Gill and appoint a friendlier broadcasting chairman. Mr. Sagar denies that he at his advanced age has any political agenda or ambitions. He plays down the fact that he flew to New Delhi to meet the country's new Hindu nationalist leaders last month on inauguration day, and notes that he has turned down requests from both the BJP and the opposition Congress Party to run for office. Instead, he wants to concentrate on his next project, a serial about the powerful goddess Durga, who preserves righteousness and destroys evil. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From MUKERJS@sterlingdi.com Wed Apr 22 10:55:44 1998 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:36:55 -0500 From: Sushim Mukerji To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Free Books Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_CB9FCDA6.88E98707" X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a MIME message. 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(new) available from Sushim Mukerji FREE April 14,1998 Hard Bound: Frozen Turbulence in Kashmir by JAGMOHAN (hard bound)- One copy RSS: A vision in action by H.V.SESHADRI one copy Dr. Hedgewar ; Sahitya Sindhu one copy Bunch of Thought by GOLWALKAR (English and Gujarati) one copy each Letters of Swami Vivekananda two copies Raja Yoga by Sw VIVEKANANDA 8 copies Soft Bound: Ramayana by RAJAGOPALACHARI 18 copies Satyanarayana Vrat Pooja (step by step pooja, in Hindi 15 copies and Sanskrit. Katha in Hindi and English) Chicago Address(booklet) by Sw. Vivekananda 30 copies Essentials of Hinduism (booklet) by Sw. Vivekananda 40 copies Sushim Mukerji 53 Cross Ridge Greenville, SC 29607-4336 Phone: (864) 421 1714 W, (864) 627 4007 H e-mail: mukerjs@sterlingdi.com --=_CB9FCDA6.88E98707-- _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Wed Apr 22 14:57:30 1998 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:49:28 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Massacre of Hindus in Kashmir Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Very few GC members have signed the Protest Book on the Hindu Universe about the massacre of Hindus in Kashmir. Please access the website : http://www.hindunet.org/kashmir/killingsApr98/ 29 Hindus including a dozen children were brutally massacred by the Islamic fundamentalists. They were asked to convert to Islam at the edge of tehe sword. When they refused, their limbs were chopped off and then they were burnt alive. Can we as Hindus keep silent any more? The Indian and foreign media have ignored the tragedy or put a secular spin on it. Please sign the protest book and we will forward the messages to Prime Minister of India. regards, ajay _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From nandsharma@ihgw1.lucent.com Wed Apr 22 15:59:58 1998 Message-ID: From: "Sharma, Nand K (Nand)" To: "'vhpgc-l@hindunet.org'" Subject: RE: Disasterous storm in Atlanta Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:01:16 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Shyamji: I join others in congratulating, somewhat belatedly, the VHP team in Atlanta in rising to the occasion at such a critical moment and providing help to the needy. Please convey my best wishes to our friends there. I am feeling much better now, and I will talk to you shortly. Brotherly, Nand Kishore >---------- >From: shyam tiwari[SMTP:srtiwari@hotmail.com] >Sent: Saturday, April 11, 1998 11:35 PM >To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >Subject: Disasterous storm in Atlanta > >Namaste > >Most of you may aleady be aware that many counties in and around Atlanta >area were struck by severe lightening and thunderstorm thursday night. >As a result, lives of many of our own people and others have been >affected diretly. Red Cross started soliciting funds for the disaster >relief operation in Atlanta area. On behalf of VHP of America, Atlanta >chapter has donated $1000.00 to the Red Cross disastor relief fund. We >are also raising money to help some other needy families directly. > >Regards > >Shyam Tiwari > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >_____________________________ >For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > > > _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Thu Apr 23 20:06:42 1998 Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:58:39 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Have you signed the Protest Book Yet? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you have not, please do so : http://www.hindunet.org/kashmir/killingsApr98/ and express your condolences over the death of 29 Hindus because they refused to convert to Islam. Also, please send the message to all your friends, family and coworkers and ask them to sign as well. We are well short of our target signatures, and your help is desparately needed. regards, ajay _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From mihir@eyepiece.com Thu Apr 23 22:15:11 1998 Message-ID: <006a01bd6f26$d3b77d20$a842b3c7@meghanis> From: "Mihir Meghani" To: "VHP GC List" Subject: HSC press release on Kashmir massacre Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 22:15:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namaste to all GC members, this press release is a joint effort of the HSC GHEN (Global Hindu Electronic Network), CAN (Community Action Network), Media/PR, and Database teams. I am proud to say that we have put this together within 48 hours of finding out about this. Rajiv Pandit was responsible for coordinating this. Stay tuned for the HSC memorandum to president Narayanan. The press release below has been distributed by fax and/or email to the following Indian newspapers in the U.S. Express India Hinduism Today India Abroad India Chronicle India Light India Post - main India Post (Chicago) India Tribune - main India West News-India Times The press release was also emailed to the following 12 major Indian newspapers : Deccan Herald Deccan Chronicle The Hindu The Statesman Times of India Indian Express Rediff on the Net Calcutta On-line India Today The Telegraph Hindustan Times The Pioneer The press release will also go out to certain U.S. Congressman, Indo-American Kashmir Forum, & Indo-Canadian Kashmir Forum. If you have other papers you think we should send this to then let me know. Thanks - Mihir mihir@hindunet.org ====================================================== FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE April 22, 1998 HINDU STUDENTS COUNCIL CONDEMNS THE RECENT MASSACRE IN THE STATE OF JAMMU AND KASHMIR Hindu Students Council condemns the barbaric massacre of twenty-one Hindu men, women, and children that occurred in the Udhampur district of the state of Jammu and Kashmir. The details of this latest carnage are of unprecedented proportions. Terrorists, believed to be foreign mercenaries, entered four homes on the night of April 17, dragged out all villagers and slaughtered them. The homes were then torched and seven members were scorched beyond recognition. Two girls that witnessed and survived this bloodbath are in shock and unable to speak. Dr. Farooq Abdullah, Chief Minister of J & K, stated, "I have seen tragedies earlier, but this was bloodcurdling. No bullets were fired, the villagers were butchered." Union Home Minister Shri L. K. Advani added, "This was a gruesome sight." Immediately after this incident 17 families in the area that belong to the minority Hindu community were forced to flee from their homes and were placed in a nearby Government school in the town of Resai. Hindu Students Council condemns this brutal atrocity on the minority Hindu community. This massacre calls into question any claim by the Central government in Delhi or by the State government that conditions have returned to normal in the state. In fact, since the return of elected government, Kashmiri Hindus have been the target of four massacres, one in Sangrampura (March 1997), the next in Gool Gulabharh (June 1997), the ghastly massacre in Wandhama (January 1998) and now the latest in Udhampur district (April 1998). HSC joins all Hindus worldwide in condemning these dastardly acts perpetuated by Islamic fundamentalists in Kashmir. Pakistan's involvement in these massacres has been repeatedly evident. In February 1998, twelve U.S. Congressmen urged the Clinton Administration to ask Pakistan to publicly condemn the Wandhama massacre of Jan. '98, and added "reports suggest infiltrators from Pakistan are responsible for the crime." U.S. Congressman Frank Pallone declared on the House Floor (Jan. 28), "Mr. Speaker, Kashmiri Pandits have been forced to leave their homes. . . by terrorists and militants who are armed and trained by the enemies of India." Moreover, this week a top Pakistani Cabinet Minister visited the headquarters of Lashkar-e-Taiba (Army of the Pure) outside of Lahore. BBC news has described this as "extraordinary" since the Minister openly hailed the group's activities, which has included claiming responsibility for terrorist activities in Kashmir. Indeed, according to the Times of India (April 23), this very same terrorist group is believed to be behind the Udhampur massacre. We request that India's National Human Rights Commission, headed by Justice M. N. Venkatachaliah, conduct an on-the-spot investigation of this massacre and take up the matter with international human rights agencies. In addition, Kashmiri Hindu refugees must be designated as "Internally Displaced People" (IDP) so that they may receive extensive humanitarian assistance. HSC urges Shri L. K. Advani and Dr. Farooq Abdullah not to remain passive as these terrorists continue to target civilians. "Finger-pointing" must stop and tough measures must be undertaken including setting up security posts at sensitive ranges, air surveillance, and joint operations for flushing out foreign mercenaries. Security forces in Kashmir have frequently complained that their instructions are to defend terrorist strikes, rather than to be on the offensive in flushing out militants. We urge the government to increase intelligence-gathering measures and give security forces more freedom in planning an effective strategy to neutralize Pakistan-trained terrorists. A special website has been created dedicated to the victims of this massacre: http://www.hindunet.org/kashmir/killingsApr98/. We urge all concerned citizens to visit this website and sign the online protest book, which will then be forwarded to the Prime Minister of India. For more information, please contact Dr. Rajiv Pandit, spokesman for the Community Action Network (CAN) subcommittee of Hindu Students Council of America. Ph. (708) 386-7826. E-mail: hsc-can@hindunet.org Community Action Network is a project of HSC that seeks to establish a Hindu voice in the American and Canadian media. Specific projects include highlighting Hindu-oriented issues to public officials, raising money for Kashmiri Hindu refugees, and to actively combat distortions of Hindu Dharma in the media. Hindu Students Council (HSC) is an international forum promoting understanding of Hindu culture and heritage. Started in May 1990, it has grown to include over 50 chapters at college campuses across the U.S. and Canada. HSC is the founder of Global Hindu Electronics Network (GHEN) -- the largest and most-frequently visited site on Hinduism available on the web: www.hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From srtiwari@hotmail.com Thu Apr 23 22:58:53 1998 Message-ID: <19980424025818.28314.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [170.140.250.204] From: "shyam tiwari" To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Draft of letter to US Senotor Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 19:58:18 PDT X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Namaste We have drafted a letter to be sent as a petition to US Senators/Congressmen. Regards Shyam Tiwari ************************************* Honorable Senator, We request your immediate intervention for the sake of humanity, to stop atrocities being committed on innocent Hindus including women and children in Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir. In a heartbreaking incident on April 17, 29 Hindus were brutally massacred by Muslim terrorists actively supported by Pakistan. Genocide in Kashmir of minority Hindus has been going on for several years with very aggressive financial and weapon support from Pakistan. In January this year, several people were massacred including one year old baby. More detailed descriptions of human carnage in Kashmir are on the following web sites. http://www.hindunet.org/kashmir/killingsApr98 http://205.232.112.71/today/21home2.htm (21-april-1998) http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/apr21/toll.htm http://205.232.112.71/today/21home4.htm (21-april-1998) http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/world/story.html?s=z/reuters/980420/international/stories/kashmir_1.html http://www.rediff.com/news/1998/apr/21kash.htm http://www.expressindia.com/ie/daily/19980421/11150874.html We request you to: 1. Condemn this inhuman act of terrorism in no uncertain terms. 2. Ask US government to declare Pakistan a state sponsoring terrorism. 3. Help displaced Kashmiri Hindus to be heard in international forum. Sincerely, ************************************** ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Fri Apr 24 14:08:04 1998 Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:00:01 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Kashmir Killings Protest : Good But More Work Needed Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Namaskar, We have reasonably good response on the protest page so far. However, if we are to have significant grassroots impact on the Hindu minds and the Indian press (in India) we need a lot more response. So far, we have achieved about 350 responses in 2 1/2 days. We must have many times more. If you are active on the public fora, such as India-D, CalOnline, AOL etc. please post the URL : http://www.hindnet.org/kashmir/killingsApr98/ If you have not signed yet (and many of you have not), please do sign it. We need everyone to sign the Protest Book. If your school/company has an Indian e-mail group, post an announcement there. Please ask your friends, family and coworkers to express their sentiments in public. We can really use all the help we can get... regards, ajay _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajayshah@rocketmail.com Fri Apr 24 20:07:49 1998 Message-ID: <19980425001419.8859.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:14:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Ajay Shah Subject: Re: Draft of letter to US Senotor To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Shyamji, Excellent work. Here are some suggestions : In addition to pointing to the website, I suggest that we add some more details of the incident to the letter Also mention that VHP of America is the largest organization of the Hindus in America Send this message to Senators and all the media through VHP-A media office in Houston. regards, ajay === Please note that my e-mail address is : ajay@hindunet.org ---shyam tiwari wrote: > > Namaste > > We have drafted a letter to be sent as a petition to US > Senators/Congressmen. > > Regards > > Shyam Tiwari > > ************************************* > > Honorable Senator, > > We request your immediate intervention for the sake of humanity, to stop > atrocities being committed on innocent Hindus including women and > children in Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir. In a heartbreaking > incident on April 17, 29 Hindus were brutally massacred by Muslim > terrorists actively supported by Pakistan. > > Genocide in Kashmir of minority Hindus has been going on for several > years with very aggressive financial and weapon support from Pakistan. > In January this year, several people were massacred including one year > old baby. More detailed descriptions of human carnage in Kashmir are on > the following web sites. > > http://www.hindunet.org/kashmir/killingsApr98 > http://205.232.112.71/today/21home2.htm (21-april-1998) > http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/apr21/toll.htm > http://205.232.112.71/today/21home4.htm (21-april-1998) > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/world/story.html?s=z/reuters/980420/international/stories/kashmir_1.html > http://www.rediff.com/news/1998/apr/21kash.htm > http://www.expressindia.com/ie/daily/19980421/11150874.html > > We request you to: > 1. Condemn this inhuman act of terrorism in no uncertain terms. > 2. Ask US government to declare Pakistan a state sponsoring terrorism. > 3. Help displaced Kashmiri Hindus to be heard in international forum. > > Sincerely, > > > > ************************************** > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > _____________________________ > For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Vartalapa@aol.com Sat Apr 25 11:46:59 1998 From: Vartalapa Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 11:45:34 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Draft of letter to US Senotor Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org I have forwarded the info. about the latest disaster and related matters to all that I think may not have gtten the info. Specially I have sent to people of Kashmiri origions too. Thanks ! Renu _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Thu Apr 30 17:09:02 1998 Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:00:53 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Kashmir Protest Book 1000 more to go Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Namaskar, You can look a glass partially filled with water as half full or half empty... We have now collected over 1000 signatures on the Kashmir Protest Book, which will be presented to the Prime Minister of India, Shree Vajpayee. Our goal however, is to have minimum 2000 signatures, and hopefully a lot more. You can help. Please sign the guest book, ask your friends, families, associates, neighbors, alumni association members, college friends, children, their school friends, Indians, non-Indians, Hindus, non-Hindusand anyone who has access to the web to sign the protest. It is simple, just access the webpage : http://www.hindunet.org/kashmir/killingsApr98/ To even think that the barbarians have killed Hindus, for not converting to Islam is infuriating. To add to this the media, at home and abroad has ignored this event. But with the technology we have, you, yes you have the power to change this. Please do all you can to help. regards, ajay _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From VICHARAK@aol.com Thu Apr 30 22:42:06 1998 From: VICHARAK Message-ID: <5e119a15.35493659@aol.com> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:41:28 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Fwd: NAMESTE Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_893990488_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_893990488_boundary Content-ID: <0_893990488@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII 4/30/1998 Dear Colleagues: This one was received in apprecaition of our web site. We receive numerous letters of compliment along with a number of requests for answers to all kinds of questions about scriptures, philosophy etc. (e.g., waht was the name of Parshuram's mother?)- but this is the first one with the picture. I felt like sharing it with you. Incidentally, have you signed the Protest book for kashmir killings? If not, please visit the site at: http://www.hindunet.org/kashmir/killingsApr98 and register your protest. This is the least we cna do. Brothrely yours, Gaurang --part0_893990488_boundary Content-ID: <0_893990488@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Cammie8538 Return-path: To: VICHARAK@aol.com Subject: NAMESTE Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 19:52:15 EDT Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit GOD BLESS YOU , I AM THANK FULL FOR A SITE LIKE THIS! KULDEEP BHATIA --part0_893990488_boundary-- _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From srtiwari@hotmail.com Thu Apr 30 22:42:10 1998 Message-ID: <19980501024138.18339.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [170.140.251.30] From: "shyam tiwari" To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Kashmir killings - Press release from Atlanta Community Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 19:41:37 PDT X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Namste Here are two press releases from Atlanta community, one for India and the other for US. Besides, this we have already started letter wriing and petition campaign to Senators, Congresmen and President. Ajayji if you have list of email addresses of different news media, please send it as soon as possible. Regards Shyam Tiwari ************* FOR US Media **************** FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE April 30, 1998 INDIAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY OF GEORGIA, USA CONDEMNS THE BARBARIC KILLING OF 29 HINDUS INCLUDING WOMAN AND CHILDREN IN UDHAMPUR, JAMMU AND KASHMIR, INDIA. A condolence meeting was held on April 26, 1998 in Atlanta to convey the sympathies of Indo-American community at the massacre of 29 innocent Hindus including women and children on April 17, 1998 in Jammu and Kashmir. It was attended by the representatives and presidents of various Indo-American organizations including National Federation of Indian American Associations, the largest Indian American umbrella organization(NFIA). Several distinguished concerned US citizens also attended the meeting. Expressing outrage and grief at the continuous killings of thousands of innocent Hindus over the last few years, community leaders felt the need to mobilize political opinion here in US and India in favor of Kashmiri Hindus who have become refugees in their own homeland. Those few Hindu families who are still in Kashmir have become helpless targets. They are at the mercy, whims and fancy of the terrorists. A community task force was also constituted to help needy Kashmiri families and create political awareness about violation of basic human rights of Kashmiri Hindus. After observing a minute of silence, following resolutions were unanimously adopted: 1. Indo-American community condemns this barbaric act of April 17, 1998 in which 29 Hindus including 9 children and 8 women were brutally killed in Jammu and Kashmir, India by the terrorists, aided and abetted by Pakistan in violation of basic human rights. 2. We resolve that Pakistan be declared a ‘State sponsoring terrorism’ and be pressured to stop supporting such gruesome terrorist activities immediately. 3. It is resolved that the Congress and Government of United States help and take active lead in returning and rehabilitating more than 300,000 Kashmiri Hindus displaced by Pakistan sponsored ethnic cleansing in their own homeland of Jammu and Kashmir. For more information please contact: Task Force to Prevent Human Rights Violations of Minority Hindus in Kashmir Mr. Subhash Razdan (770)333-9781 Dr. Jagdish Aggarwal (770)460-8039 Mukesh Patel (770)471-0405 Girish Patel (770)924-0666 Dhirendra Shah (770)664-8779 Mohinder Bajaj (770)631-8500 Vijay Kumar (770)457-5740 Dr. D B Chandora (770)939-5172 Shyam Tiwari (770)752-3358 email: srtiwari@hotmail.com ****************** For Indian Media ************ FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE April 30, 1998 INDIAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY OF GEORGIA, USA CONDEMNS THE BARBARIC KILLING OF 29 HINDUS INCLUDING WOMAN AND CHILDREN IN UDHAMPUR, JAMMU AND KASHMIR, INDIA. A condolence meeting was held on April 26, 1998 in Atlanta to convey the sympathies of Indo-American community at the massacre of 29 innocent Hindus including women and children on April 17, 1998 in Jammu and Kashmir. It was attended by the representatives and presidents of various Indo-American organizations including National Federation of Indian American Associations, the largest Indian American umbrella organization(NFIA). Several distinguished concerned US citizens also attended the meeting. Expressing outrage and grief at the continuous killings of thousands of innocent Hindus over the last few years, community leaders felt the need to mobilize political opinion here in US and India in favor of Kashmiri Hindus who have become refugees in their own homeland. Those few Hindu families who are still in Kashmir have become helpless targets. They are at the mercy, whims and fancy of the terrorists. A community task force was also constituted to help needy Kashmiri families and create political awareness about violation of basic human rights of Kashmiri Hindus. After observing a minute of silence, following resolutions were unanimously adopted: 1. Indo-American community condemns this barbaric act of April 17, 1998 in which 29 Hindus including 9 children and 8 women were brutally killed in Jammu and Kashmir, India by the terrorists, aided and abetted by Pakistan in violation of basic human rights. 2. We resolve that Pakistan be declared a ‘State sponsoring terrorism’ and be pressured to stop supporting such gruesome terrorist activities immediately. 3. It is resolved that the Government of India should abrogate Article 370 of the Constitution immediately and all those who have served in Jammu and Kashmir since India’s independence should be given the first right of refusal to buy property and settle in Kashmir. 4. All political parties in India are urged to set aside their differences and cooperate in this unity effort. For more information please contact: Task Force to Prevent Human Rights Violations of Minority Hindus in Kashmir Mr. Subhash Razdan (770)333-9781 Dr. Jagdish Aggarwal (770)460-8039 Mukesh Patel (770)471-0405 Girish Patel (770)924-0666 Dhirendra Shah (770)664-8779 Mohinder Bajaj (770)631-8500 Vijay Kumar (770)457-5740 Dr. D B Chandora (770)939-5172 Shyam Tiwari (770)752-3358 email: srtiwari@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Pallod@aol.com Thu Apr 30 23:05:00 1998 From: Pallod Message-ID: <890ef09c.35493bb6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:04:21 EDT To: srtiwari@hotmail.com (shyam tiwari) Cc: VHPGC-L@HINDUNET.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Kashmir killing Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org I am glad Atanta has taken anctive role. In Houston We have given half page ad in the local newspaper. We have appealed on local radion stations for people to sign on our web side. This weekend we will distribute fliers at temple and other locations. Vijay Pallod _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Vartalapa@aol.com Fri May 1 13:43:49 1998 From: Vartalapa Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 13:42:48 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Kashmir killing Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Very heartening to see us responding! I have forwarded to people all over. Is there a cut off date? Renu S Malhotra _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From mihir@eyepiece.com Fri May 1 14:54:33 1998 Message-ID: <00e101bd7532$995d8720$a142b3c7@meghanis> From: "Mihir Meghani" To: "VHP GC List" Subject: YUVA '98 in Michigan Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 14:54:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org YUVA ’98: Young, Hindu, and Proud Date: Saturday, May 30, 1998 Location: Bharatiya Temple (Troy, Michigan) Time: Registration and Breakfast at 8am. Actual conference begins promptly at 9am. YUVA ’98 is a conference designed to help Hindu American youth as they strive to find an identity in their high school and college years. Through group discussions moderated by college students, informative speakers, and a special audio visual presentation on India’s contributions to the world, participants will be given the opportunity to explore their roles as Hindu Americans in this society. All discussions will center around the theme of the seminar: Hinduism for Youth in 21st Century America. The focus will be on how, despite varied backgrounds, we can find common ground through key shared experiences. We are young, We are Hindu, and We are Proud ! PROGRAM HIGHLIGHTS **** Youth Group Discussions **** Games **** Audi-Visual Slide Show **** Informative Guest Speakers **** Sumptuous Lunch TOPICS **** The Future of Hinduism in America **** The Role of Hinduism in Daily Life **** Unity in Diversity **** Hindu Vision for the World **** Philosophy and Ritualism **** Duty of Youth to Parents GUEST SPEAKER Swami Kalikananda – Swamiji is from the Vivekananda Monastery and Retreat in Ganges, MI. He served for four years in World War II, and then finished college. In 1960, he left his job in a graphic design studio to pursue Vedantic studies under his guru, Swami Vishwananda of the Vivekananda Vedanta Society in Bombay. In 1969, Swamiji joined the ashram in Ganges, MI, and has been teaching ever since. Swamiji’s sprightly style and hilarious sense of humor are a joy to listen to. … and many youth speakers and moderators .. CONTACT INFORMATION Conference Coordinator – Vidya Kumar (734) 663-8912 vrkumar@umich.edu Registration Coordinator – Kiran Sajja (734) 327-1232 ksajja@umich.edu Conference Co-Coordinator – Mihir Meghani (248) 788-9492 mihir@hindunet.org Web: http://www.umich.edu/~hindu REGISTRATION FORM Name:______________________________________________ Age:________________ Education Level Completed:__________________________________ School/University/Job Status:_________________________________ Address:__________________________________________________ Phone #:__________________________________________________ Email:___________________________________________________ [ ] I can help out with the conference [ ] I would like to speak at the conference Early Registration (postmarked by May 23): $10 Late Registration: $15 Please make checks payable to: HSC Send form with registration fee to: HSC, c/o Mihir Meghani, 6558 Stonebridge East, West Bloomfield, MI 48322 Hindu Students Council (HSC) was founded in May 1990, and has grown to over 50 chapters at high schools and universities across the US and Canada. Hindu is defined as any follower of a religion, philosophy, culture, or way of life that originated in India, sharing the ancient Hindu ideal of "Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam" – the Whole Universe is One Family, and "Ekam Sat Viprah Bahudha Vadanti" – Truth is One, Sages Call it by Various Names. Hindus includes Vaishnavs, Saivites, Jains, Sikhs, Buddhist, and other religions that fit this definition. HSC is an international forum for promoting understanding of Hindu culture and heritage. It aims to help Hindus become informed about important cultural, religious, social, and political issues, and to provide service to the community. HSC derives its inspiration and mission from the Sanatana (eternal) Dharma. HSC is the largest Hindu student and youth organization outside Bharat. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From MUKERJS@sterlingdi.com Fri May 1 15:14:54 1998 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 15:13:01 -0400 From: Sushim Mukerji To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: YUVA '98 in Michigan Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mihir, I am delighted to read the announcement of Yuva98. I request you to send it to CalOnLine, and request them to print it on the main news page, if they can ( otherwise they can always print it on the Visitor's Feedback section). Remeber, when I sent the last announcement of YUVA in early January, they published it on the main page. Then Partha Banerjee made scathing remarks on it a few days later, and all hell broke loose. This time, I am glad, you published the detailed schedules, and mentioned the name of the Swamiji from RK Mission being the Chief guest. When RK Mission participates HSC/VHP functions, Partha Banerjee & Co. becomes uncomfortable. Wish you the best. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From mihir@eyepiece.com Fri May 1 15:16:37 1998 Message-ID: <010a01bd7535$b0b65de0$a142b3c7@meghanis> From: "Mihir Meghani" To: "VHP GC List" Subject: HSC's Memorandum to the President of India Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 15:16:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namaste. The following is a report from HSC's CAN project (Community Action Network). Below is a letter from Madhukar Murthi, one of the CAN team members, and following that is our memorandum to President Narayanan, presented in person by Kanchanji to His Excellency. If you know of anyone who would like to be a part of HSC's CAN project, they can email hsc-can@hindunet.org. Upcoming CAN goals include creating a memorandum to present to US media and Congressman, imbibed with our ideals, and a law internship project. Longer term goals include political internships and providing guidance to a soon to be Hindu Political Action Committee and Public Affairs Committee. Stay tuned. Regards, Mihir ========================================================= Namaste all, As the result of the hard work, dedication, and success of HSC members, our visibility as a student group providing a forum for the understanding of Hindu dharma, culture, and heritage is improving. On April 26th, HSC's National Coordinator, Kanchan Banerjee, was invited to meet His Excellency the President of India at a reception in New York. Kanchan took the opportunity to present a summarized agenda of the key points HSC's Community Action Network felt need to be addressed in Bharat. Once again, the invitation forwarded to Kanchan is a measure of HSC's success, and shows that with continued and improved efforts, HSC's goals can be achieved - students are the vehicles of progress and change! The text of this document that Kanchan presented is below: ================================================================== HINDU STUDENTS COUNCIL ____________________________________________________________________________ Main Office: P.O. Box 9185, Boston, MA 02114 USA. Phone: (617) 698-1106 Fax: (617) 444-8725 E-mail: hsc@hindunet.org Web: www.hindunet.org HSC Memorandum to the Honorable President of India Submitted in-person by Kanchan Banerjee, National Coordinator Hindu Students Council (HSC) New York, NY (USA) April 26, 1998 His Excellency President Narayanan New Delhi, India Namaste Honorable President Shree Narayananji, Welcome to America! Hindu Students Council (HSC) is the largest Hindu student and youth group outside Bharat. We have chapters at over 50 college campuses across the U.S. and Canada and organize many Hindu-oriented projects and activities. HSC members are followers of Hindu Dharma, promoters of Hindu culture, and consider Bharat their holyland. We expect a bright future for Bharat but are concerned about some critical issues facing the nation. In order to improve the state of the nation, we urge the following: Women's Issues: HSC advocates empowerment and upliftment of the status of all Indian women. We believe that this can best be done through education; passage and enforcement of increasingly sophisticated laws designed to empower women; and systemic protections against and substantial penalties for crimes and discrimination against women such as dowry, rape, female infanticide, and sexual harassment. In addition, the GOI should ensure that women are provided equal opportunity in education and employment. Kashmir: HSC urges the Government of India (GOI) to recognize the plight of Kashmiri Hindus and refugees from other communities who have been driven from their homeland by externally aided Islamic fundamentalism. They have been tortured, raped, converted at gunpoint, and driven out of their ancestral homes. We urge that they be granted the official status of "Internally Displaced Persons" and provided with adequate facilities befitting their expected further length of stay outside Kashmir until a situation prevails in that state that would allow their safe return. We also support India's stand on Kashmir as being an integral part of India and support the GOI's efforts to promote peace and harmony in the state, which has been disrupted by terrorist activities. Education: HSC urges the GOI to focus on uplifting all levels of education throughout the country with particular focus on rural areas, literacy, women's education, and employment. We request the GOI to instill in students an awareness of the problems facing the nation and ideals of seva- selfless service to the community. In addition, the GOI should not discriminate against Hindu educational institutions. Currently, preferential treatment is given to educational institutions of religious minorities. Health: HSC urges strong measures by the GOI to uplift the health of the general populace across India. Tobacco use should be discouraged, particularly amongst the youth. Emphasis should be on sanitation, especially in urban areas. Implementation of a population control plan is needed across all communities, religions, states, and urban and rural districts. Social Issues: HSC urges the purging of caste differentiation in India, which is not part of Hindu Dharma. Environment: HSC feels that the GOI must give Bharat's environment a higher priority. Rampant deforestation and use of valuable natural resources must be controlled while serving the needs of society and the people residing in the areas of these resources. Indigenous Indian flora and fauna must be preserved in their natural state keeping in mind the needs of distant future generations. Aggressive pollution control is needed to protect the public health, welfare and environment. Hindu Heritage Preservation: HSC encourages the preservation and proper maintenance of Hindu cultural sites, monuments, historical manuscripts, and art. Also, just as religious minorities control their places of worship, Hindus should be allowed to control their own places of worship. Religious Conversions: HSC urges the banning of illegal conversion between religions based on force, fraud, or inducement. Human Rights in Other Countries: HSC urges the GOI to address the issue of persecution of Hindus and suppression of Hindus' human rights in Russia, the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Guyana, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Afghanistan, and Fiji. Considering Tibet's ancient connections with Bharat, we are also concerned about continued persecution of Buddhists in Tibet. Prepared by HSC's Community Action Network Address: PO Box 9185 Boston, MA 02114-0041 USA Phone: 617-698-1106 Fax: 617-444-8725 Email: hsc@hindunet.org Web: http://www.hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajayshah@rocketmail.com Fri May 1 15:33:53 1998 Message-ID: <19980501192425.19356.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 12:24:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Ajay Shah Subject: Re: Kashmir killing To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Cc: Vartalapa@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Namaskar, Thank you very much for your efforts. We would like to get at least 2000 signatures asap. No formal cut-off date yet... regards, ajay === Please note that my e-mail address is : ajay@hindunet.org ---Vartalapa wrote: > > Very heartening to see us responding! I have forwarded to people all over. Is > there a cut off date? > Renu S Malhotra > > _____________________________ > For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From MUKERJS@sterlingdi.com Fri May 1 15:39:29 1998 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 15:36:10 -0400 From: Sushim Mukerji To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: HSC's Memorandum to the President of India Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Namaste Mihir, this too will be an appropriate material for publishing in the Visitors' Feedback section of CalOnLine. Publicity. Publicity.Publicity. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Pallod@aol.com Sat May 2 09:38:23 1998 From: Pallod Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 09:38:04 EDT To: VHPGC-L@HINDUNET.ORG Cc: Pallod@aol.com, Starpipe2@aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: India Abroad cover story on RSS Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namashkar, India abroad cover story of this week is RSS. In my opionion they have done an excellent job. Their are over 13 articles 1. RSS. Architect of the new Hindu establishment 2.An organization committed to "akhand Bharat" 3. Promoting a concept of ideal Hindu woman 4. Spirit of service and humanitarian side of volunteers 5.U.S expert predicts a BJP-RSS spilt 6. Shakhas form the basic training ground for volunteers. 7. VHP is unwilling to play second fiddle to RSS. 8. Our aim is the creation of a Hindu rashtra. 9. Minorities apprehensive over Hindutva agenda. 10. Fashioning themselves as guardians of culture. 11. Genisis and growth of HSS in Canada. 12. Hindu organizations expanding influence in the U.S 13.HSS growing allure in British campuses The coverage is of six and half pages and 9 pictures.I have requested India abroad reporter Ashok Ishwaran many times to write a detailed story on RSS. Few days ago he has called me to let me know that my request has been fulfilled. India abroad covered Sangh Pariwar not because of one persons request but because demand from readers. I have purchased 150 copies so that I can distribute to key community workers and for future need. I would like to request that we should all read the cover story. In my opinion this is the first time any major newspaper has written a cover story. If any one needs a copy from me please do not hesitate to request. I will be glad to mail it to you. Hindusim Today is also bringing special issue on Sangh Pariwar soon. I have recently subscribed online service but, unfortunately at present their service is out of order. I have requested India abroad staff to send the cover story by email so that I can share with more people. Vijay K. Pallod Houston, Tx _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Jitendra_Goel@qmail4.nba.TRW.COM Mon May 4 19:17:26 1998 Message-ID: Date: 4 May 1998 16:14:21 -0600 From: "Jitendra Goel" Subject: Re: India Abroad cover story To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.3d2 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 RE>India Abroad cover story on RSS 5/4/98 Vijay, I will be very much intrested in gettinga copy if you can spare one. My address is Jitendra Goel 30578-Ganado Dr Palos Verdes CA-90275-6222 Thanx Jitendra -------------------------------------- Date: 5/2/98 6:49 AM To: Jitendra Goel From: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namashkar, India abroad cover story of this week is RSS. In my opionion they have done an excellent job. Their are over 13 articles 1. RSS. Architect of the new Hindu establishment 2.An organization committed to "akhand Bharat" 3. Promoting a concept of ideal Hindu woman 4. Spirit of service and humanitarian side of volunteers 5.U.S expert predicts a BJP-RSS spilt 6. Shakhas form the basic training ground for volunteers. 7. VHP is unwilling to play second fiddle to RSS. 8. Our aim is the creation of a Hindu rashtra. 9. Minorities apprehensive over Hindutva agenda. 10. Fashioning themselves as guardians of culture. 11. Genisis and growth of HSS in Canada. 12. Hindu organizations expanding influence in the U.S 13.HSS growing allure in British campuses The coverage is of six and half pages and 9 pictures.I have requested India abroad reporter Ashok Ishwaran many times to write a detailed story on RSS. Few days ago he has called me to let me know that my request has been fulfilled. India abroad covered Sangh Pariwar not because of one persons request but because demand from readers. I have purchased 150 copies so that I can distribute to key community workers and for future need. I would like to request that we should all read the cover story. In my opinion this is the first time any major newspaper has written a cover story. If any one needs a copy from me please do not hesitate to request. I will be glad to mail it to you. Hindusim Today is also bringing special issue on Sangh Pariwar soon. I have recently subscribed online service but, unfortunately at present their service is out of order. I have requested India abroad staff to send the cover story by email so that I can share with more people. Vijay K. Pallod Houston, Tx _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by qmail4.sp.trw.com with ADMIN;2 May 1998 06:47:23 -0700 Received: from www10.clever.net (www10.clever.net [209.25.19.1]) by mail-relay2.trw.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA13326 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 06:40:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) id JAA25123; Sat, 2 May 1998 09:38:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Pallod Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 09:38:04 EDT To: VHPGC-L@hindunet.org Cc: Pallod@aol.com, Starpipe2@aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: India Abroad cover story on RSS Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Vartalapa@aol.com Mon May 4 21:32:20 1998 From: Vartalapa Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 21:31:38 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: India Abroad cover story on RSS Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org The RSS coverage in India Abroad was very well done. May be we can say a word of encouragement. Email iapi@mcimail.com Renu S Malhotra _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From mihir@eyepiece.com Mon May 4 23:44:36 1998 Message-ID: <017701bd77d8$33cdab80$b942b3c7@meghanis> From: "Mihir Meghani" To: "VHP GC List" Subject: india abroad Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 23:43:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org I caution everyone on getting too excited about India Abroad. For one, although this series of articles may be fair, they are by no means supportive of us. just see that for the past month, their column on page 2 or 3 has been by the India Progressive Study Group which is leftist, anti-India, and anti-Hindu. Also, if you do send them a message, which I encourage, instead of saying "thank you for covering us favorably" or "that was a good article because you did not Hindu bask", I suggest you say "thank you for a balanced article on RSS .. The work that Sangh Parivar has done for the nation is remarkable, and I appreciate the honest and accurate picture you gave. If I can be of assistance to your paper in the future regarding Hindu activities in this area, let me know. Sincerely, so and so, member VHP GC." These are just my suggestions, Mihir _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From MJMEHTA@aol.com Tue May 5 05:59:05 1998 From: MJMEHTA Message-ID: <5879a471.354ee2b1@aol.com> Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 05:58:08 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: india abroad Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Dear Mihir: Good Suggestions. Mahesh Mehta _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From VICHARAK@aol.com Tue May 5 20:58:10 1998 From: VICHARAK Message-ID: <9d6b260a.354fb564@aol.com> Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 20:57:06 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Fwd: a translation Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_894416227_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_894416227_boundary Content-ID: <0_894416227@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII 5/5/1998 Dear Brothers and Sisters: Namaste. I am forwarding you a request that I got today. if you have the answer, please send to me. Thanks. Brotherly, Gaurang p.s.: A few days back I forwarded you comments from a well wisher of our webpage. Actually, his comment was accompanied by a beautiful picture of a flower. That is why sent it to you. to my dismay, when I opened my copy tha tcame through vhpgc-list, the graphic was misisng; so I assume tha tsame thing must have happened to you and you would have wondered as to why I sent an ordinary comment to you! --part0_894416227_boundary Content-ID: <0_894416227@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-zb04.mx.aol.com (rly-zb04.mail.aol.com [172.31.41.4]) by air-zb03.mail.aol.com (vx) with SMTP; Tue, 05 May 1998 19:26:42 -0400 Received: from mole.slip.net (mole.slip.net [207.171.193.16]) by rly-zb04.mx.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id TAA19922 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 19:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sf-pm7-9-137.dialup.slip.net ([207.171.196.137] helo=newmicronpc) by mole.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for vicharak@aol.com id 0yWr6a-0007B0-00; Tue, 5 May 1998 16:26:36 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980505163052.007a7a70@pop.slip.net> X-Sender: robyn@pop.slip.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 16:30:52 -0700 To: vicharak@aol.com From: Robyn Lounsbury Subject: a translation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit i have been trying to get a sanskrit translation of the following prayer for some time--can you help me? "Salutations to Sri Ganesha! May the Remover of Obstacles clear the path for our spiritual growth." i'd like to have it in actual sanskrit characters, and would be willing to give you my "real" address, pay for postage, whatever it takes!!! thanks so much! robyn@slip.net ----------------------------------------------------------- "no good deed will go unpunished..." clare booth luce ----------------------------------------------------------- --part0_894416227_boundary-- _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Pallod@aol.com Tue May 5 23:22:27 1998 From: Pallod Message-ID: <886cc8d7.354fd74a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 23:21:45 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: India Abroad cover story Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namashkar, I will mail on Wednesday. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From MUKERJS@sterlingdi.com Wed May 6 10:59:01 1998 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 10:32:52 -0400 From: Sushim Mukerji To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Essential Reading Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Based on several recent events, it became clear to many of us that we need to understand the psychic of the Muslims. It is not enough to blame them for what they do. We should know that in order for them to remain Muslims, they have to conform to the core teachings that directly tells them to be violent with malice. Knowing our background, it is very hard for us, myself included, to find fault into the religious belief of others. We know, we all are trying to find truth in our own way, however inefficient. Whenever we deliberately find faults in others, we know that somehow we ourselves faltered. Yet self preservation is a great virtue, sactioned by sages, elaborated in the Mahabharata. We must know the statements of koran that explicitely sanctions physical violence. Please consult the following webpages published by Muslims in the USA to understand Koran. http://etext.virginia.edu/koran.html http://www.usc.EDU/dept/MSA/ http://www.taliban.com Open those webpages, find for example, from Koran Chapters 2.191, 3.151, 4.56, 4.91, 5.33-34, 8.12, 8.59, 8.60, 9.5, 22.19-22, 69.30-33.....and so on (the first number is the Surah or chapter, the second one is the Ayat or paragraph). They all saction violence with malice. Please do not confuse it with the Geeta. I gave only a few examples. You will find others yourself. There is a web page by Zulfikar Khan, shown below, that I like you to read. Zulfikar was born as a Muslim, he is now a Hindu. He has started an excellent web page exposing all the ill doings of Islam. http://home. onestop.net/Jayate/ http://members.trtipod.com/~TruthAloneTriumphs/ Read Koran for yourself from all these webpages, and form your own opinion. Let others know the same. Knowledge is power. Please use it. Sushim Mukerji _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From cbando@mail1.dac.neu.edu Wed May 6 13:33:05 1998 From: Chandan Bandopadhyay Message-Id: <199805061733.NAA21456@lynx02.dac.neu.edu> Subject: Delving into Dharma To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 13:33:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Title: Delving into Dharma Author: Sandhya Jain Publication: The Times of India Date: May 6, 1998 We are currently witnessing a spate of writings voicing misgivings about the Bharatiya Janata Party's hidden agenda, and rejoicing that the compulsions of coalition politics have forced it to shelve contentious issues, notably the construction of a new temple at Ayodhya, abolition of Article 370 conferring special status on Jammu & Kashmir, and implementation of a uniform civil code. Such writings ignore the spirit of the change underway in society, and the extent of the ground covered by the party since it assumed its present incarnation 18 years ago. Surprisingly, even eminent political and social scientists continue to assess India's new ruling party in terms of the sterile yardsticks of communalism and secularism; and display an amazing ignorance of its genesis and objectives. Indeed, they betray a poor understanding of the Indian concept of political leadership in general, and this may account for the failure to properly appreciate the burgeoning assertion of the aspirations of the majority community that has been taking place under the auspices of the BJP. Theories of nationhood and statehood shaped by our colonial experiences uphold the state as a neutral arbiter between the competing aspirations of various social groups that comprise the nation, and fail to appreciate that Indians as a people cannot conceive of the state as morally neutral. This was the reason for British unease when quitting they knew Indians would eventually balk at the exclusion of dharma from the public sphere. It could also explain the West's discomfort at the prospect of the culture and ethos of the Hindus occupying the national centrestage by natural right. Twin Concepts In India, dharma was the basis of kingship and legitimacy, regardless of the ruler=92s personal religious or sectarian preferences. Learned Brahmins interpreted dharma according to the needs of the age, and bestowed legitimacy on the ruler(s). At the popular level, dharma was disseminated through mythology, the stories of just and pious rulers, famous sages, etc. It is important to note that it was not really the Brahmin who conferred legitimacy, but dharma that did so. Dharma was eternal, but it was not rigid or unchanging. It was dharma, in the guise of Mahatma Gandhi's ahimsa the poignant fact of his death with the name of Ram on his lips, and Nehru's personal moral code and refined sense of justice and right, that enabled the Congress to dominate the polity in the decades after independence, even though it professed an ideology alien to the spirit of the people. I would add that his awareness of the Indian concern for state morality led Nehru to subtly project his twin concepts of socialism and secularism as the modern-day heirs of dharma, and to modify the strict neutralism enjoined by secularism to give a better deal to the Harijans (now called Dalits). It is no secret that the intelligentsia assented to Nehru's secularism because the trauma of Partition had shattered its confidence. What is not equally known is that the proposal for "Hindu Rashtra" failed to take off because its proponents had no clear notion of what such a nation entailed, and how different citizens, especially minorities, would fare in it. Change in Ethos >From the dawn of freedom, the Hindus retained an indefinable sense of needing something, and to my mind this led to the otherwise inexplicable collapse of the Congress in northern India in 1967. The search to define India's nationhood in terms of her own cultural moorings, however, could not make meaningful headway so long as it took the form of non-Congress or anti-Congress alternatives. Both Morarji Desai and Mr V P Singh were too self-righteous to understand that the people were not merely rejecting the financial profligacy, corruption or highhandedness of a coterie or a party; they were seeking a change in the ethos of governance. Neither Desai nor Mr Singh could comprehend the dynamics of dharma, which is not a static soulless concept, but rather a driving force for restructuring the public realm to make the state non-predacious, and make it supportive of public enterprise and responsive to public needs. Obviously they failed to change or improve the system, or even ensure the longevity of their respective governments. Ever since the BJP began to make strides in the first-past-the- post electoral system, it has become fashionable for commentators to bemoan the 'distortions' of the Westminster model in practice. In reality, India has merely been interpreting and adapting this model in light of her own genius. Hitherto, its negative features have revealed themselves - the emergence of caste and communal votebank, and the possibility of electoral victory on a minority vote percentage through strategic alliances of caste and community. Now, however, the time has come for positive changes in the people's perceptions to manifest themselves The BJP's espousal of the Ram Janmabhoomi cause can be said to have triggered off a fundamental shift in the political paradigm. Outwardly, an attempt to reclaim the birthplace of Lord Rama, the movement was actually a potent force to bring dharma back into the public sphere as the central organising principle of Indian politics. Mr L K Advani's Ram rathyatra and suraj yatra were important exercises in translating the concept of dharma from the domain of mythology and scripture to the public realm. That is why, despite the seeming reverses suffered by the BJP in the aftermath of the reclamation of the Janmabhoomi, the movement actually gathered momentum, and pushed the boundaries of aryavarta beyond the Vindhyas. The BJP's success in casting dharma as ideology gave it the thrust it needed to break out of its north India-Hindi heartland mould, and acquire a presence in virtually every region and state. The early projection of Mr Atal Bihari Vajpayee, with his impeccable record of rectitude and probity in public life, made it easy to identify him as a maryada purush. The leitmotif of the recent elections is undoubtedly a positive assertion of Indian nationalism, without the negative overtones that have accompanied such an effort in the past. Rain Temple Critics deride the BJP for "betraying" its mandate by postponing the reconstruction of a new Ram temple - an issue which brought down the V P Singh government and saw the defeat of the Narasimha Rao-led Congress. Theirs is a classic case of missing the wood for the trees. Certainly the BJP heads a fragile coalition, but it has already, through the rigorous manipulation of public awareness over the past few years, implanted the ideal of maryada purushottam in the minds and hearts of all Indians. Already a new political chemistry has been created, as witnessed by Mr Chandrababu Naidu, Mr Farooq Abdullah, Prafulla Mohanta and Mr Om Prakash Chautala=92s decision to cooperate with the new regime. The and arithmetic of the caste-centred, minority-based, 'secular' parties has also failed to add up. The rest will no doubt follow in good time. ------------------------------ Chandan cbando@lynx.neu.edu **************************************************************************** * "This life is short, the vanities of the world are transient, but they * * alone live who live for others, the rest are more dead than alive" * * - Vishwa Vivek * **************************************************************************** _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From nandsharma@cbgw1.lucent.com Thu May 7 12:42:43 1998 Message-ID: From: "Sharma, Nand K (Nand)" To: "'vhpgc-l@hindunet.org'" Subject: RE: Essential Reading Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 12:41:41 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Sushim Bhai: It was so nice to talk to you after such a long time. I would like to call you one more time before you depart for Bharat, but I do not have your telepnone no. Could you please email your phone no. to me at nandsharma@lucent.com. Thanks. Nand K. Sharma >---------- >From: Sushim Mukerji[SMTP:MUKERJS@sterlingdi.com] >Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 1998 10:32 AM >To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >Subject: Essential Reading > >Based on several recent events, it became clear to many of us that we need to >understand the psychic of the Muslims. It is not enough to blame them for >what they do. We should know that in order for them to remain Muslims, they >have to conform to the core teachings that directly tells them to be violent >with malice. Knowing our background, it is very hard for us, myself included, >to find fault into the religious belief of others. We know, we all are trying >to find truth in our own way, however inefficient. Whenever we deliberately >find faults in others, we know that somehow we ourselves faltered. Yet self >preservation is a great virtue, sactioned by sages, elaborated in the >Mahabharata. We must know the statements of koran that explicitely sanctions >physical violence. > >Please consult the following webpages published by Muslims in the USA to >understand Koran. > >http://etext.virginia.edu/koran.html >http://www.usc.EDU/dept/MSA/ >http://www.taliban.com > >Open those webpages, find for example, from Koran Chapters 2.191, 3.151, >4.56, 4.91, 5.33-34, 8.12, 8.59, 8.60, 9.5, 22.19-22, 69.30-33.....and so on >(the first number is the Surah or chapter, the second one is the Ayat or >paragraph). They all saction violence with malice. Please do not confuse it >with the Geeta. I gave only a few examples. You will find others yourself. > >There is a web page by Zulfikar Khan, shown below, that I like you to read. >Zulfikar was born as a Muslim, he is now a Hindu. He has started an excellent >web page exposing all the ill doings of Islam. > >http://home. onestop.net/Jayate/ >http://members.trtipod.com/~TruthAloneTriumphs/ > >Read Koran for yourself from all these webpages, and form your own opinion. >Let others know the same. Knowledge is power. Please use it. > >Sushim Mukerji > > > > > > > > > > > > > ! > > > > > > >_____________________________ >For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > > > _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Anshug@aol.com Sat May 9 03:55:51 1998 From: Anshug Message-ID: <8b2000cc.35540be3@aol.com> Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 03:55:13 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org (mihir Meghani) Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: letter to Mr. Sukhtankar Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 58 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Dear Dr. Meghani Respectfully Namaskar I hope you find this salutation proper and to your liking, since you have made a point to teach us less educated people how to properly adress more educated and highly sophisticated younger generation. It is with the greatest of disappointment I write to you about some of the facts came to my attention and mind well I am writting to you only as a loyal working member of VHP of America MiI chapter and no other capacity. You wrote to one of our member that you did not like the tone in the only line he wrote to and I quote " We are not publishing a book" Let me tell you it was not a joke but a fact. You have no idea about the amount of money it will take to print a souv. of the size you are demanding and yes you are demanding not asking and certainly not requesting. How do you think we like the tone and manners in which you told him how to adress and write to you. You think we like the tone you used when you talk to our chapter president few days back when he informed you that we are inviting Mr. Khandelwal to speak on behalf of Hindu University. I think you were down right rude and out of line to say the least in telling him who we can invite and who we can not and we have to have your okey to invite anybody and give them time to speak. I wonder where did you get this idea that we have to clearify from you(hsc) our agenda for the evening. Let me remind you Hsc is part of VHP not vhp all by itself. For last 3-4 years we kept giving Hsc more and more imp.. and from what I see it looks like you have last sight of reality and became very greedy(remember the story of the hen who layed the golden egg) WARNING: do not kill it. Michigan Chapter always had seva, support a child and vanvasi project as our ongoing projects year after year. Yes each year we adopt a new project and support it more than the others and in last 3 years hsc has been the benefactor of it but this does not mean we are not going to talk about other projects at all. You said as a G.C. member you should have been consulted about our guest list, what about you (hsc) consulting your agenda whith us? Let me remind you this is not a G,C. Program. It is a MI chapter program and only active chapter members have a say in it. If you do not like the way we work May I sujest you have your own FRD and print your own souv. with as many pages as you want in it . We have to limit our size. If you need you can always make inserts as in past. The way I see from here it looks like all you (Hsc)wants from us is a blank check to cover all the exp. and provide all the hard manual labour and you people as always to come and tell how we could have done a better job. How typical of new generation. With this kind of attitude we will lose lots of hard working loyal members from our chapter, without whom we can not function ( you personally have offended Mr. Gehi with you general email earlier) By the way did any of the member from Hsc bother to call or visit him to pay their respect last week when his mother passed away???? I thought so. Our chapter took pride in advertising that we collect funds to support these seva projects in India and that is our goal, not to collect money to support political agenda or seminars for well to do student community. All of you are capable of supporting your selves and with minimum dues all the activities of the Hsc chapters .You do not need kind of money you have been collecting for last few years. I have to tell you we have enough of the leaders we do not need any more but we certainly can use all the working members we can get and can not lose the ones we have. I hope you learn to see the bigger picture. You still have lots of growing up to do and getting a m.d. digree or becoming a G.c. member or even a president does not automatically qualify anybody for it, You earn by working toward it one day at a time and one step at a time. Pushpa Not proof read _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Pallod@aol.com Sat May 9 10:38:57 1998 From: Pallod Message-ID: <18e822cf.35546a54@aol.com> Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 10:38:11 EDT To: VHPGC-L@HINDUNET.ORG Cc: hrinfo@stallion.jsums.edu, sharad01@juno.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Reply to Mr.Matthew as appeared in Voice of Asia Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Dear Editor, I have been debating whether to reply to Mr. Matthew in reference to "Is the color of blood a shade of saffron?". I met Mr. Matthew first time in August 1993 in Washington, D.C. where I was attending the Vishwa Hindu Parishad of America’s Global Vision 2000 conference. While hundreds of Hindus from all over the world attended the conference, Mr. Matthew and a small group of less than 30 people were protesting outside of the hotel. I was wondering “who are this protesters?” and wanted to take a picture for Houston Indian newspapers. However when I got close to take a picture Mr. Matthew called the police on the false charges that I was harassing the protesters. Mr. Matthew has consistently engaged in Hindu bashing through the guise of fighting "communalism". He has one-point agenda: attack Hindu organizations with the single track mind set which compels him to think that it is Bharat where Hindus are in majority and Hindu bashing can continue in the name of secularism. In the past he was complaining about VHP, now about BJP. BJP is a political party. If the party is wrong and it is going to be wrong time to time, it is good to criticize the party. But Mr. Matthew goes beyond appropriately criticizing the party when he makes untruthful statements about the Sangh Pariwar. I would request Mr. Matthew put his efforts into doing constructive work, rather then wasting time criticizing others. Vijay Pallod So far Beth, Vinod and Chatterji has applied. I hope Mr.Mathew got a strong message. I hope he knowsby now that Hindus are in Houston are very strong. They are not going to sit back but will take an action. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From srtiwari@hotmail.com Sun May 10 11:41:10 1998 Message-ID: <19980510154040.14108.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [170.140.251.57] From: "shyam tiwari" To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Reply to Mr.Matthew as appeared in Voice of Asia Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 08:40:39 PDT X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Namaste Vijayji, Please send me the details the detals of Voice of Asia and what has been written. I would like to write to them. Regards Shyam Tiwari >From ghen@www10.clever.net Sat May 9 07:40:23 1998 >Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) id KAA25640; Sat, 9 May 1998 10:39:02 -0400 (EDT) >From: Pallod >Message-ID: <18e822cf.35546a54@aol.com> >Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 10:38:11 EDT >To: VHPGC-L@hindunet.org >Cc: hrinfo@stallion.jsums.edu, sharad01@juno.com >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Subject: Reply to Mr.Matthew as appeared in Voice of Asia >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 >X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by www10.clever.net id KAA25640 > >Dear Editor, > >I have been debating whether to reply to Mr. Matthew in reference to "Is >the color of blood a shade of saffron?". =20 > >I met Mr. Matthew first time in August 1993 in Washington, D.C. where I w= >as >attending the Vishwa Hindu Parishad of America=92s Global Vision 2000 >conference. While hundreds of Hindus from all over the world attended the >conference, Mr. Matthew and a small group of less than 30 people were >protesting outside of the hotel. I was wondering =93who are this >protesters?=94 and wanted to take a picture for Houston Indian newspapers. >However when I got close to take a picture Mr. Matthew called the police = >on >the false charges that I was harassing the protesters. > >Mr. Matthew has consistently engaged in Hindu bashing through the guise o= >f >fighting "communalism". He has one-point agenda: attack Hindu organizatio= >ns >with the single track mind set which compels him to think that it is Bhar= >at >where Hindus are in majority and Hindu bashing can continue in the name o= >f >secularism. In the past he was complaining about VHP, now about BJP.=20 > >BJP is a political party. If the party is wrong and it is going to be wro= >ng >time to time, it is good to criticize the party. But Mr. Matthew goes >beyond appropriately criticizing the party when he makes untruthful >statements about the Sangh Pariwar. I would request Mr. Matthew put his >efforts into doing constructive work, rather then wasting time criticizin= >g >others. > >Vijay Pallod > >So far Beth, Vinod and Chatterji has applied. I hope Mr.Mathew got a stro= >ng >message. I hope he knowsby now that Hindus are in Houston are very strong. >They are not going to sit back but will take an action. > >_____________________________ >For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.or= >g >Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Pallod@aol.com Sun May 10 13:03:41 1998 From: Pallod Message-ID: <35df08e3.3555ddc1@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 13:02:55 EDT To: VHPGC-L@HINDUNET.ORG Cc: Pallod@aol.com, ashokvc@giasbm01.vsnl.net.in (Ashok Chowgule) Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: India Abroad -RSS ( VHP , Aim & Nonaggressive) Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_894819776_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_894819776_boundary Content-ID: <0_894819776@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Namashkar, I have received seven articles from India Abroad. I am mailing the article which has to do with VHP. Following are my comments. Article is balanced and positive in my opnion. VHP worker from Bharat has given lots of wrong winformation about VHPA. 1. Membership is 20,000 2. Hindus Vishwa is monthly publication. 3. We run a radio program. When Padmakant Khambathi read about his radio program "Sanathan Hindu Radio " He was not happy. It is true that VHPA supports this program in every way. I will discuss with Anjalee Bahen this week. We should be very careful when we give information to press. By the way I found that India Abroad staff very co-opeative and very professional. Vijay K. 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Subject: RSS ( VHP , Aim & Nonaggressive) Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit INDIA ABROAD May 1, 1998 TOP OF THE WEEK The Paladins of Hindu Nationalism VHP is unwilling to play second fiddle to RSS By SUJIT KUMAR DAS -- NEW DELHI If there is one organization that will not allow the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) to entirely abandon its Hindutva agenda, it is the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP). Yet, even the VHP is not fully immune to the advantages of having a BJP government in power at the Center. In recent weeks, its leaders have softened their stance, stating that while the VHP was committed to building a temple at Ayodhya, it was not against Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee's offer of a "negotiated settlement." The Ram temple in the Babri mosque at Ayodhya prior to its demolition on Dec. 6, 1992. Activists of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad and its affiliate organization, the Bajrang Dal, are alleged to have played a big role in the mosque's demolition. (File photo: R.K.) The VHP is aware that, in recent years, it has gained a following over this very issue and cannot be seen as compromising on this front. It has issued a two-year notice to the BJP-led government to resolve the Ayodhya dispute. Meanwhile, its supervision of work on a prefabricated temple for Ayodhya continues at full swing. The organization is also trying to build up an agitation over the so-called disputed sites at Kashi and Mathura, where it wants to build temples. Observers say they feel they have been keeping up pressure on the issue to "keep their flock together in difficult times." The VHP, set up by Hindu religious leaders during the Kumbh Mela of 1986, is, according to top leaders, a religio-cultural organization that aims to "uphold and propagate Hinduism." Its aims and objectives, according to VHP Media Center director Lokesh Pratap Sahi, are to "consolidate and strengthen Hindu society; protect and promote Hindu values" and "to keep in touch with Hindus living abroad and help them in all possible ways to protect their Hindutva." However, the VHP's real claim to fame was the role its activists and those of the Bajrang Dal -- the VHP's youth wing -- allegedly played in pulling down the Babri mosque in Ayodhya on Dec. 6, 1992. (Ironically, it lost the Faizabad constituency, in which Ayodhya falls, in the recent general election.) To put the issue on the back burner, therefore, will not be an easy task. The VHP, however, does not believe the issue has been relegated to the backburner. "Who says the Ayodhya issue is being downplayed and its momentum has faded?" asks VHP president Vishnu Hari Dalmiya. "It is very much relevant today," he adds. The VHP played a vital role in politicizing Hindus in the late 1980s, gathering behind it a following of largely upper-caste, middle- class Hindus disgruntled by the policy of increasing reservations for backward classes. The VHP then helped the Ayodhya agitation gather momentum, demanding that a temple be built at Lord Ram's birthplace, where, allegedly, a temple was pulled down by Muslim invaders to build a mosque. The outfit has since not been in the limelight. "It is not true that we were sent into political exile by the Hindutva leadership," stresses Dalmiya. "Ours is a nonpolitical organization. Their phenomenal success is due to the efforts of our grass-roots workers. We are supporting the BJP, we are not playing second fiddle" he says. Tracing a "glorious past," Dalmiya says the VHP is "promoting Hindu consciousness and inculcating a sense of pride in Hinduism." Critics, however, feel the effort to portray the organization as being involved in simple religious propagation and social work is misleading. According to political scientist C.P. Bhambri the VHP is a "militant outfit of the RSS" and "a dangerous organization." He feels it aims to terrorize minorities, whether Muslims or Christians, and "destroy the democratic and social fabric of Indian society on religious lines." The VHP and the Bajrang Dal have also been associated with the movement against cow slaughter and an agitation to stop the use of pictures of gods and goddesses on commercial products like cigarettes and tobacco packets, lottery tickets and liquor bottles. The VHP is, interestingly, also opposed to the Tehri Dam project.--not for environmental, but religious reasons, as the Ganga is considered a holy river. The project, Dalmiya says, "will mean the end of the Ganga as we know it today." Adds Ashok Singhal of the Bajrang Dal, "The Tehri Dam will be a monstrosity that would sound the death-knell of the sacred Ganga." On the VHP's links with the RSS and BJP, Sahi says, "RSS is our mother organization. The VHP and BJP are its front organizations. We have different agendas but only one goal -- establishing a Hindu rashtra (nation)." Sociologist Anand Kumar of Jawaharlal Nehru University agrees that the aim is a Hindu rashtra, but adds that the means of achieving the aim include "terrorizing the minorities, especially Muslims." He points out that the RSS assigns specific roles to the BJP and the VHP: The VHP heats the iron, the BJP strikes when it is hot. The VHP has units in all states. At the national level, the VHP has 22 prants (provinces) which, for better coordination, have been grouped under five zones. The provincial units are further divided into smaller units right down to the village level. Besides the Bajrang Dal, the VHP also has a women's wing, the Durga Vahini. Both organizations were established in the 1980s. The Bajrang Dal, which recently started over 7,000 balopasana kendras (meditation centers for children) all over the country "is guided by the VHP and it abides by the rules and ethics of the VHP," says Bajrang Dal chief Surendra Jain. "Indianness, commitment, loyalty and discipline are the prerequisites for membership of the Durga Vahini," says Kiranlata, a Durga Vahini activist from Lucknow. ______________________________________________________________________________ _ INDIA ABROAD May 1, 1998 TOP OF THE WEEK The Paladins of Hindu Nationalism ' 'Our aim is the creation of a Hindu rashtra' By SUJIT KUMAR DAS -- NEW DELHI As far as Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) president Vishnu Hari Dalmiya is concerned, it is the Bharatiya Janata Party's (BJP) "political compulsions" that have forced it to abandon its more strident Hindutva demands. Vishnu Hari Dalmiya That, however, does not prevent the VHP from pursuing its own agenda. And on this agenda are the anti-cow-slaughter movement and the campaign against the alleged conversion of Hindu girls to Islam and Christianity. Excerpts from an interview. Q: After creating a storm over Ayodhya, the VHP has been almost dormant. Now it has plans to "liberate" Krishna janambhoomi in Mathura. Are religious issues that cause communal tension the only ones that interest the VHP? A: First of all, the Mathura agitation is not a communal issue. It has come up through social consciousness. It is not the decision of the VHP, but of all the Hindus of this country. They want to liberate this temple from Muslim domination. Also, besides this issue, we have many other issues on our agenda. Q: Recently, BJP president L.K. Advani told Muslim youth that he would ask the VHP to give up the Kashi and Mathura agitations if Muslims give up their claims on the Ayodhya site. The party also does not mention any of these contentious issues in its national agenda for governance. A: If this is not on the BJP agenda, it is because of its political compulsions. They (the BJP leadership) are compelled to maintain a low-profile approach on temple agitations. But they cannot give up Hindutva and abandon the core commitments made in public speeches. If they do so just for the sake of seeking Muslim support, they would be guilty of practicing the same vote- bank politics that the Communist parties and the Congress Party have been practicing so far. Q: Isn't the VHP anti-Muslim? You have pledged to stop cow slaughter even "at the cost of a civil war." How can you bring Muslims into the mainstream if you are openly antagonistic toward them? A: Yes, the gau raksha (cow protection) issue is on top of our agenda and we cannot make any compromise on this issue. We are committed to it and if a civil war takes place, it won't be wrong. Our intentions should not be misinterpreted. We are leading this movement peacefully and we are not doing any kind of harm to any community and we are not hurting the people of any community. Hindus feel hurt, and the Muslims should understand this. If we are leading this movement, what is wrong in it? We believe in social harmony; that is the soul of Hindutva. Q: You have also raked up the issue of alleged conversions... A: More than 100,000 girls are being converted and we are opposing it at every place. What is wrong in this? We do not indulge in this kind of anti- religious, nefarious activities. If we talk about social harmony, it does not mean that we should be subdued and we should not raise our voices. Today or tomorrow, they will understand the essence of Hindutva and even the world community will accept this. Q: Don't you feel the concept of Hindutva was rejected at the international level when the Dalai Lama refused to attend a VHP-sponsored function in August 1993? A: The Dalai Lama was pressured by the (P.V. Narasimha) Rao government not to participate in the meet. Otherwise, in the past, the Dalai Lama had actively participated in the functions organized by constituents of the Sangh Parivar. Q: Do you see any kind of dilution in your pursuit of swadeshi (economic nationalism) in the context of the national agenda for governance? A: See, this is not a BJP government at the Center. So many political parties are constituents of this coalition. So every partner's wish has to be taken into account. But if the BJP drifts radically away from its commitment to swadeshi, the people of this country will give it a befitting reply. Q: It is alleged that the VHP and allied organizations such as the Hindu Munnani are provoking Islamic extremism in Tamil Nadu. A: We are not going to bear everything silently and submissively. I think rational aggression is the best form of defense; they must be paid back in the same coin. So many innocent Hindus are butchered there. Why don't you write about those incidents? Q: What is your ultimate goal? A: We will awaken Hindu society through social consciousness. Here, the word Hindu does not connote a particular religion, but encompasses all religions in India. Only this consciousness can bring back the past glory of Bharata. Indianism (Bhartiyata) is the blood of the life of this nation. ______________________________________________________________________________ __ INDIA ABROAD May 1, 1998 TOP OF THE WEEK The Paladins of Hindu Nationalism 'Nonaggressive' faiths to be the new allies By LALIT K. JHA -- NEW DELHI After establishing a large network in different parts of the globe, the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) now aims to establish a cooperative relationship with the "nonaggressive" religions of the world, according to a senior VHP official. "In recent years, the Parishad has been trying to establish a cooperative relationship with the nonaggressive religions of the world," VHP joint general secretary Bal Krishan Nayak told India Abroad. He is in charge of the VHP's overseas activities. Having identified Christianity and Islam as the two major aggressive religions of the world, Nayak said, "The Parishad wants to develop cooperation with tribal religions of Asia, Latin America, Africa other religions like Confucianism and Taoism which are nonaggressive." Such cooperation is sought to be achieved through the VHP's overseas offices. The organization, which opened its first branch abroad in the United States in 1971, today has offices in 22 countries, Nayak said. The British branch was founded in 1973. The other 22 countries include: Germany, Canada, Trinidad and Tobago, Guyana, Switzerland, Holland, Spain, Kenya, Russia, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Australia, Hong Kong, Norway and Surinam. Mauritius is the latest addition to the list, the branch having been opened this year. In some countries, the organization works under the VHP name, but in most it functions under different names, registering itself there according to the laws of the respective countries. The Parishad has also been able to include in its activities large organizations like Swaminarayan sects, ISKON, Arya Samaj, Sanatan Dharma Sabha, Hindu Union, Hindu Association and Sikh sects in several countries. "The main objective of its branches abroad, besides strengthening Hinduism and propagating the religion," Nayak said, "has been to draw a common linkage between the Hindus spread over the globe. Over the years, there has not been any common platform for them." The Parishad claims that the Hindus are now spread in about 120 countries, including Mexico, Ireland, Chile, Chad and Central African Republic, where the Hindu population is less than 50. The VHP regularly sends religious persons for the propagation and spread of Hindu religion to these countries. Besides, it sometimes also appoints full- time religious preachers at its branches. "At present we have only one Dharma Pracharak -- religious preacher --- to look after the Parishad's activities in the countries of Europe, some countries like Trinidad and Tobago and Guyana," Nayak said. In the next few years, the Parishad hopes to spread its wings to other countries like Portugal, Thailand and Sweden. "We do not have any branch in South Africa and are in the process of opening one," he said. "Of all the Parishad branches abroad, those in the U.S. and Britain are the most active ones," Nayak said. In these countries, he said, the VHP had found a niche for itself among nonresident Indians (NRIs) who are a particularly lucrative source of support. The student wing of the VHP of America, the Hindu Students' Council, is playing an important role there, laying emphasis on organizing special programs for the youth, Nayak said. It organizes annual camps in various parts of the country, which it claims, are attended by hundreds of youth. One of its programs, Adopt-a-Child, is popular in the U.S., with $1 million having been sent to India to assist needy children in education. The Overseas Friends of VHP is said to have a membership of more than 20,000 in the U.S. and Canada alone, most of them wealthy NRIs and professionals. The VHP in the U.S. also runs a Hindu radio program called Voice of Sanatan Hinduism with the support of the Hindu Swayamsevak Sangh (HSS), VHP officials said. VHP Zambia publishes books and journals to make the natives aware of the religion and Hindu culture. The Hindu organization also brings out a number of periodicals, including "Hindu Vishwa," a monthly published from the U.S. ______________________________________________________________________________ __ --part0_894819776_boundary-- _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Vartalapa@aol.com Sun May 10 16:33:51 1998 From: Vartalapa Message-ID: <4ffe5d75.35560efe@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 16:33:01 EDT To: KSBagga@aol.com, vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Fwd: the new massacre Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_894832381_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_894832381_boundary Content-ID: <0_894832381@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part0_894832381_boundary Content-ID: <0_894832381@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-za01.mx.aol.com (rly-za01.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.97]) by air-za01.mail.aol.com (vx) with SMTP; Fri, 08 May 1998 09:49:38 2000 Received: from ee.lsu.edu (sol.ee.lsu.edu [130.39.124.150]) by rly-za01.mx.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with SMTP id JAA26342 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 09:49:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from veda.lsu.edu by ee.lsu.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA28604; Fri, 8 May 1998 08:49:30 -0500 Received: by veda.lsu.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA04021; Fri, 8 May 1998 08:51:42 -0500 From: kak@sol.ee.lsu.edu (Subhash Kak) Message-Id: <199805081351.IAA04021@veda.lsu.edu> Subject: Re: the new massacre To: Vartalapa@aol.com (Vartalapa) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 08:51:41 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: from "Vartalapa" at Apr 26, 98 08:53:55 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit DAWN - Top Stories; 07 May, 1998 JAMMU, May 6: Kashmiri Guerillas have shot dead 13 Hindus in three separate incidents since Monday in occupied Jammu and Kashmir, police claimed on Wednesday. Militants opposed to New Delhi's rule in the Himalayan region barged into a house at Surankote, some 245km north of Jammu on Tuesday night and opened fire, police claimed. Four people died on the spot. Police said Surankote was tense on Wednesday after an angry crowd torched two government jeeps and damaged two government buildings, and an indefinite curfew had been imposed. In another incident, at least four members of a village defence committee formed to combat guerillas died in an attack late on Monday by Muslim militants. The attack took place near Manchar village, about 165km east of Jammu, police said. As villagers returned from cremating the victims, militants opened fired again, killing four civilians and one policeman. Police claimed 10 people were unaccounted for. One militant was killed by return fire during the ambush and the bodies of two militants were dug out of the snow in the same area, police claimed. A local government statement quoted the chief minister as claiming the killings had been instigated by Pakistan.-Reuters --part0_894832381_boundary-- _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Anshug@aol.com Mon May 11 18:51:00 1998 From: Anshug Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 18:35:51 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Cc: SMTP;MUKERJS@sterlingdi.com; Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re:Just to say namaskar/explaination Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 58 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Dear Sushim Bhai, Namaskar I have missed getting mail from you and certainly talking to you. Not having you for this years fundraising dinner just is not the same. I feel like we have forgotten some very impotant thing. We will miss your kind and very calm guidance specially this very hyper younger sister. Please write to me. And yes this afternoon Suren informed me that you were puzzled by by letter to Dr. Meghani. I am known to say my mind specially if younger people are disrespectful. They might not see it that way but two generations have never seen things in the same light, regardless basic values should still remain the same if they take pride in following the Hindu way. My only mistake and it was a mistake that I did not pay attention and wrote the mail on an open hindu net instead of his private mailbox but then again he has been doing that to all of us the same. I am sorry if I worried you all is well and it always will be. Please write to me your travelling plans and date. Lovingly sister Pushpa _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Anshug@aol.com Mon May 11 18:56:15 1998 From: Anshug Message-ID: <6bfebeb0.35577e81@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 18:41:03 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Cc: Nandsharma@lucent.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Essential Reading Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 58 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Respected Sharmaji Sadar Namaskar Just found out about you health from the new letter and felt bad about not responding to it right away. Hope you are recovering very well. Our prayers are with you for a very speedy and complete recovery. Ram & pushpa Goswami _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Anshug@aol.com Mon May 11 20:01:09 1998 From: Anshug Message-ID: <13b66f32.3557910e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 20:00:13 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Just to say namaskar/explaination Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_894931213_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 58 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_894931213_boundary Content-ID: <0_894931213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII trying again due to non delivary Pushpa --part0_894931213_boundary Content-ID: <0_894931213@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: application/octet-stream; name="AOL.EXE" 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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA= --part0_894931213_boundary-- _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From kanchan_banerjee@npcfreight.com Tue May 12 11:49:09 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980512115210.006fa9b0@208.197.9.151> X-Sender: kanchan_banerjee@208.197.9.151 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 11:52:11 -0400 To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From: "Kanchan Banerjee" Subject: URGENT: CALL TO ACTION: Vote in a CNN Poll Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From: Shambhu Shastry > >Please access urgently to the following site: > >http://cnn.com/CNNI/Programs/qa/ > >and register your vote in favor of India's nuclear test for defensive >purposes. > > _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From nandsharma@cbgw1.lucent.com Tue May 12 12:04:23 1998 Message-ID: From: "Sharma, Nand K (Nand)" To: "'vhpgc-l@hindunet.org'" Subject: RE: Essential Reading Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 12:03:07 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Dear Ramji and Pushpa Bahen: Thank you for your concern and good wishes. With God's grace and well wishes of friends and Parivar members, I have recovered and continue to recover well. I am back in circulation almost, but not quite, full time. I met Yash Pal ji this past weekend in Hartford area for a VHP EB meeting. I hope you both and your family are doing well. You perhaps know the sad news of the untimely passing away of Dr. Asha Khasgiwala about six weeks ago. She was truly a wonderful person in addition to being a very competent, kind, caring and well respected doctor. The entire local community here was much saddened with her loss. Thanks again, and hoping to see you soon. Nand Kishore >---------- >From: Anshug[SMTP:Anshug@aol.com] >Sent: Monday, May 11, 1998 6:41 PM >To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >Cc: Sharma, Nand K (Nand) >Subject: Re: Essential Reading > >Respected Sharmaji >Sadar Namaskar > >Just found out about you health from the new letter and felt bad about not >responding to it right away. Hope you are recovering very well. Our prayers >are with you for a very speedy and complete recovery. > >Ram & pushpa Goswami > >_____________________________ >For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > > > _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Vartalapa@aol.com Wed May 13 16:19:02 1998 From: Vartalapa Message-ID: <63dab142.3559fffa@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 16:18:01 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: URGENT: CALL TO ACTION: Vote in a CNN Poll Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Kanchan, When I type this on the web it says invalid. Am I doing some thing wrong ? Renu _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Vartalapa@aol.com Wed May 13 16:21:12 1998 From: Vartalapa Message-ID: <64411dc3.355a0071@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 16:19:59 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Fwd: IDS Microcredit seminar Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_895090800_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_895090800_boundary Content-ID: <0_895090800@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part0_895090800_boundary Content-ID: <0_895090800@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: BKMurthy Return-path: To: Vartalapa@aol.com Subject: IDS Microcredit seminar Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 11:24:02 EDT Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Dear Ms. Renu Malhotra, We are delighted to note your interest in attending the microcredit seminar on June 20. The microcredit approach has been extremely successful in addressing poverty across the world, and shows good success in India too. However, there are many in India who are unaware of details of why it works, and often confuse it with other lending programs that have failed. We are sincerely hoping that this seminar will energize US-based organizations to work together in using this powerful tool in addressing the dismal poverty of 300 million Indians. Our flyer is still undergoing last minute edits, so I am sending an e-mail version of it. We have some of the most prominent players in the field of microcredit coming to the seminar. We have a capacity of 400 for the hall, and are working hard to attract a diverse audience. Please help us in spreading the word on the seminar. On a different note, I don't know if you have collaborated with IDS in the past, but I believe a number of members would be interested in hearing of your work. I know Dr. Nila Vora shares similar interests. Possibly once the seminar is over, we could have you visit us to educate us on your activities. Kind Regards, Bala Krishnamurthy India Development Service >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> INDIA DEVELOPMENT SERVICE invites you to attend a One Day Seminar MICROCREDIT Successes and Challenges A Sustainable Approach to Poverty Alleviation Saturday, June 20, 1998 9 am - 5 pm Triton College, River Grove, IL (Chicago area) WHAT IS MICROCREDIT? Microcredit is an approach to helping the poor become master of their own destiny, using small loans as an entry-point. The Grameen Bank of Bangladesh, pioneer of this approach, today serves over 2 MILLION POOR HOUSEHOLDS, primarily the WOMEN of these households, WITH OVER US$ 2 BILLION loans disbursed. REPAYMENT RATES EXCEED 98%, and a substantial number of these households have crossed the poverty line. As opposed to many other programs aimed at helping the poor, the Grameen approach has shown consistent success and replicability due to its primary reliance on peer pressure and peer support, and on individual enterprise. A unique feature of Grameen-style microcredit is weekly center meetings, where these small loans are disbursed, monitored, and repaid. The success of this program is unparalleled in comparison with any other social development program. WE ARE STARTING TO BELIEVE THE UNBELIEVABLE, THAT POVERTY MAY BE ERADICATED IN OUR LIFETIME - Dr. Muhammad Yunus, Grameen Bank THE SEMINAR WILL ADDRESS THE FOLLOWING ISSUES: What is microcredit? How does it work? Why has microcredit been so successful globally in addressing poverty? What are the spillover effects of microcredit on education, healthcare, and women's empowerment? Will microcredit work in India? What are the major challenges to it in India? How can US-based groups participate in this drive against poverty? SPEAKERS Prof. DAVID GIBBONS, Executive Trustee, CASHPOR Founder of first Grameen Replication in Malaysia, 1986 Founder of CASHPOR, network of Asia-Pacific Grameen Replications, 1991 Founder of Grameen Replication in Uttar Pradesh, India, 1997 Prof. H.I.LATIFEE, Managing Director, Grameen Trust Mr. UDAY KUMAR, Managing Director, SHARE, India's largest Grameen Replication Ms. HELEN TODD, Author, 'Women at the Centre'; Editor 'Credit for the Poor' Assoc. Prof. SUKOR KASIM, Co-Founder, Project Ikhtiar; Strategy Group, CGAP, World Bank Mr. DAVID BORNSTEIN, Author, 'Price of a Dream', a moving account of the evolution of Grameen Dr. RAMESH BELLAMKONDA, Founder of BSS, a Grameen Replication in Karnataka, India RECALL THE FACE OF THE POOREST AND MOST HELPLESS PERSON YOU HAVE SEEN AND ASK YOURSELF IF THE NEXT STEP YOU CONTEMPLATE IS GOING TO BE OF ANY USE TO THAT PERSON - Mahatma Gandhi Registration Fee: $ 20 at door Early Registration (By June 13): $15 20% discounts for groups of 5 or more. Fee includes lunch / beverage Mail checks to: India Development Service P.O.Box 980 Chicago, IL 60690 Include the following details with your check: Name; Address; Telephone; Fax; Organization; Title; E-Mail address Note in the memo section of check: Microcredit Seminar For more information, call: Dr. Nila Vora, Tel: (630) 637-9301, e-mail: nilavora@pol.net Bala Krishnamurthy, Tel: (630) 663-1690, e-mail: bkmurthy@aol.com Robert Chatwani, Tel: (847) 827-3645, e-mail: chatwani@aol.com INDIA DEVELOPMENT SERVICE web: www.he.net\~ids Tel: (630) 655-3880 Saturday, June 20, [Robert Collins Building] Triton College, River Grove, IL 2000 North Fifth Avenue, River Grove, IL 60171 Tel: (708) 456-0300 Directions: From Eisenhower (290), take the exit for First Avenue, going north. Turn left (going west) on North Avenue (Rt. 64) Turn right (going north) on Fifth Avenue You will see Triton College on both sides of the road. Enter on the right side. Plenty of parking available. --part0_895090800_boundary-- _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Vartalapa@aol.com Wed May 13 16:23:27 1998 From: Vartalapa Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 16:22:19 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Fwd: IDS Microcredit seminar Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_895090940_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_895090940_boundary Content-ID: <0_895090940@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I am forwarding this info. about the micro - lending program to all . Should be of interest to us. Renu S Malhotra --part0_895090940_boundary Content-ID: <0_895090940@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: BKMurthy Return-path: To: Vartalapa@aol.com Subject: IDS Microcredit seminar Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 11:24:02 EDT Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Dear Ms. Renu Malhotra, We are delighted to note your interest in attending the microcredit seminar on June 20. The microcredit approach has been extremely successful in addressing poverty across the world, and shows good success in India too. However, there are many in India who are unaware of details of why it works, and often confuse it with other lending programs that have failed. We are sincerely hoping that this seminar will energize US-based organizations to work together in using this powerful tool in addressing the dismal poverty of 300 million Indians. Our flyer is still undergoing last minute edits, so I am sending an e-mail version of it. We have some of the most prominent players in the field of microcredit coming to the seminar. We have a capacity of 400 for the hall, and are working hard to attract a diverse audience. Please help us in spreading the word on the seminar. On a different note, I don't know if you have collaborated with IDS in the past, but I believe a number of members would be interested in hearing of your work. I know Dr. Nila Vora shares similar interests. Possibly once the seminar is over, we could have you visit us to educate us on your activities. Kind Regards, Bala Krishnamurthy India Development Service >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> INDIA DEVELOPMENT SERVICE invites you to attend a One Day Seminar MICROCREDIT Successes and Challenges A Sustainable Approach to Poverty Alleviation Saturday, June 20, 1998 9 am - 5 pm Triton College, River Grove, IL (Chicago area) WHAT IS MICROCREDIT? Microcredit is an approach to helping the poor become master of their own destiny, using small loans as an entry-point. The Grameen Bank of Bangladesh, pioneer of this approach, today serves over 2 MILLION POOR HOUSEHOLDS, primarily the WOMEN of these households, WITH OVER US$ 2 BILLION loans disbursed. REPAYMENT RATES EXCEED 98%, and a substantial number of these households have crossed the poverty line. As opposed to many other programs aimed at helping the poor, the Grameen approach has shown consistent success and replicability due to its primary reliance on peer pressure and peer support, and on individual enterprise. A unique feature of Grameen-style microcredit is weekly center meetings, where these small loans are disbursed, monitored, and repaid. The success of this program is unparalleled in comparison with any other social development program. WE ARE STARTING TO BELIEVE THE UNBELIEVABLE, THAT POVERTY MAY BE ERADICATED IN OUR LIFETIME - Dr. Muhammad Yunus, Grameen Bank THE SEMINAR WILL ADDRESS THE FOLLOWING ISSUES: What is microcredit? How does it work? Why has microcredit been so successful globally in addressing poverty? What are the spillover effects of microcredit on education, healthcare, and women's empowerment? Will microcredit work in India? What are the major challenges to it in India? How can US-based groups participate in this drive against poverty? SPEAKERS Prof. DAVID GIBBONS, Executive Trustee, CASHPOR Founder of first Grameen Replication in Malaysia, 1986 Founder of CASHPOR, network of Asia-Pacific Grameen Replications, 1991 Founder of Grameen Replication in Uttar Pradesh, India, 1997 Prof. H.I.LATIFEE, Managing Director, Grameen Trust Mr. UDAY KUMAR, Managing Director, SHARE, India's largest Grameen Replication Ms. HELEN TODD, Author, 'Women at the Centre'; Editor 'Credit for the Poor' Assoc. Prof. SUKOR KASIM, Co-Founder, Project Ikhtiar; Strategy Group, CGAP, World Bank Mr. DAVID BORNSTEIN, Author, 'Price of a Dream', a moving account of the evolution of Grameen Dr. RAMESH BELLAMKONDA, Founder of BSS, a Grameen Replication in Karnataka, India RECALL THE FACE OF THE POOREST AND MOST HELPLESS PERSON YOU HAVE SEEN AND ASK YOURSELF IF THE NEXT STEP YOU CONTEMPLATE IS GOING TO BE OF ANY USE TO THAT PERSON - Mahatma Gandhi Registration Fee: $ 20 at door Early Registration (By June 13): $15 20% discounts for groups of 5 or more. Fee includes lunch / beverage Mail checks to: India Development Service P.O.Box 980 Chicago, IL 60690 Include the following details with your check: Name; Address; Telephone; Fax; Organization; Title; E-Mail address Note in the memo section of check: Microcredit Seminar For more information, call: Dr. Nila Vora, Tel: (630) 637-9301, e-mail: nilavora@pol.net Bala Krishnamurthy, Tel: (630) 663-1690, e-mail: bkmurthy@aol.com Robert Chatwani, Tel: (847) 827-3645, e-mail: chatwani@aol.com INDIA DEVELOPMENT SERVICE web: www.he.net\~ids Tel: (630) 655-3880 Saturday, June 20, [Robert Collins Building] Triton College, River Grove, IL 2000 North Fifth Avenue, River Grove, IL 60171 Tel: (708) 456-0300 Directions: From Eisenhower (290), take the exit for First Avenue, going north. Turn left (going west) on North Avenue (Rt. 64) Turn right (going north) on Fifth Avenue You will see Triton College on both sides of the road. Enter on the right side. Plenty of parking available. --part0_895090940_boundary-- _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Wed May 13 17:00:09 1998 Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 12:51:43 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Kashmir : Please help in closing the gap... Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Namaskar, The protest book on Kashmir killings now has 1952 signatures. With some duplication etc. my guesstimage is that we need 200 more signatures to reach the goal of 2000 unique signatues. We desparately need your help. Can you make one final round of appeals to get us to this goal? While this sig. campaign was ongoing, 13 more Hindus have been killed. The world must know about this, and YOU can help. While we celebrate the achievement of India's politicians, science and defence establishment, we must not forget the suffering of fellow Hindus. Please do what you must, please get 200 more signatures. http://www.hindunet.org/kashmir/killngsApr98/ regards, ajay _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Wed May 13 17:09:14 1998 Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 13:00:47 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: New FreeIndia Forums Now Open Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit After great success of our FreeIndia Forums, we are now pleased to announce expanded FreeIndia Forums. The forums are widely expanded and categorized. In keeping with our over all philosophy, we are staying away from Sports and Entertainment related forums. No fluff here!!! If you want to have intellectually stimulating discussion, in a moderated environment, FreeIndia is your destination. http://www.freeindia.org/forum/ regards, ajay _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Wed May 13 17:13:49 1998 Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 13:05:24 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: FreeIndia Poll : India's Nuclear Tests Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since past 2 days we have been conducting a poll on India's nuclear test on FreeIndia. To cast your vote : http://www.freeindia.org/poll/ regards, ajay _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Pallod@aol.com Thu May 14 08:33:22 1998 From: Pallod Message-ID: <867bc9e9.355ae451@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 08:32:16 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Essential Reading Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namshkar, Thanks for your approval. I will mail it to other papers. With out you I would not have done. This was done by Rajiv Pandit and edited by Beth kulkarni. I have not done much. Please send thanks notes to both of them when you gett a chance. Lately I am also extremely busy at work but do not hesitate to give me a call at work 800-999-3009 ext 113 or direct 281-368-5360 ext 113. I have not read your comments about meeting. I will do in the weekend. At present I am co-ordinating Media work in Houston for Indian community. Pakisthanis are going to have demonstaration in Houston. Vijay Pallod _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Fri May 15 12:56:47 1998 Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 08:48:20 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: FreeIndia : Congratulate Scientists, Engineers and Policy Makers Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Namaskar You can now congratulate the scientists, engineers and policy makers of India on a special section devoted to India's Nuclear Test. To access the special guestbook : http://www.freeindia.org/news/nuclear_test/ You will also find a comprehensive set of articles regarding India's nuclear test on this site. The articles are continuously updated. Our site has been referenced by Yahoo and Reuters at http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/technology/wired/story.html?s=z/reuters/980514/wired/stories/india_1.html We have also created a special forum for the discussion on the India's defence and nuclear policy. To access our forums : http://www.freeindia.org/forums/ You can cast your vote on the nuclear tests carried out by India on FreeIndia Poll : http://www.freeindia.org/poll/ And as always, a comprehensive news reference is available from FreeIndia News http://www.freeindia.org/news/ FreeIndia is an educational and current affairs site dedicated to India. regards, ajay shah _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Fri May 15 18:00:08 1998 Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 13:51:39 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: GHEN/HVK Featured in Reuters News Story Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A Reuters news story from Pakistan has featured GHEN and HVK websites while reporting the nuclear tests. This news story has made it to the Yahoo! headlines on May 14. You may check this story out at : http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/technology/wired/story.html?s=z/reuters/980514/wired/stories/india_1.html it is a single line. If for some reason you cannot find this, please follow links from our nuclear test site : http://www.freeindia.org/news/nuclear_test/ Thanks to all those who work on HVK and GHEN websites regards, ajay _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From mihir@eyepiece.com Sun May 17 18:18:57 1998 Message-ID: <004301bd81e1$cf83fbc0$a342b3c7@meghanis> From: "Mihir Meghani" To: "VHP GC List" Subject: Congressman Brown signs web site Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 18:09:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namaste to all GC Members, I am pleased to present the message below from HSC's North American Coordination Council Member and HSC-Community Action Team Member Dr. Rajiv Pandit of Chicago. Briefly, HSC's CAN project and GHEN, coordinated by Ajay bhai, issued a statement on the massacre in Kashmir - the 1st Hindu or Indian group in the US to do so, and our web site has gotten over 2,000 signatures. Congressman Sherrod Brown of Ohio was signature number 2026. His message is below. Please send him a thank you message and please give your personal donation to his election campaign. (HSC or VHP do not in any way endorse any candidate). >From Dr. Rajiv Pandit: On behalf of the Community Action Network team, I would like to thank Congressman Sherrod Brown for taking the time to explore HSC's website on Kashmir and posting the message attached below. If you have not posted your message on this website, PLEASE DO SO IMMEDIATELY, as the site will soon be closed so that we can print out the over 2000 messages. Also, I am requesting everyone to send a message of thanks to Brown's email address. A sample message you can send is: "Thank you, Congressman Brown, for visiting Hindu Student Council's website dedicated to the victims of Kashmir terrorism. Your posted message is an indication of your committment to this important issue. As members of HSC, we look forward to working with you to resolving this issue that has been the primary source of India's bitter relationship with Pakistan." ---------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Sherrod Brown, Member Congress Date: 14:42:31 5/15/98 Email: sherrod@hr.house.gov Location: Washington, D.C. Country: USA Webpage: http://www.house.gov/sherrodbrown/ The efforts of outside forces to destabilize Jammu and Kashmir are repugnant to those of us who care deeply about India and its future. Especially reprehensible are the repeated attacks on Kashmiri Hindus. We cannot turn our backs on this embattled community, and I will continue working with my colleagues in Congress to see that the Hindu population of Kashmir is freed from the fear of fundamentalist aggression. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From YLakra@aol.com Sun May 17 20:13:17 1998 From: YLakra Message-ID: <1e86a360.355f7ce9@aol.com> Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 20:12:23 EDT To: vhpgc-l@Hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: EB meeting Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 86 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Dear GC members, regards and namaskar from Yash Pal Lakra. Even after promisses I have not communicated with you as often as I wanted to or is necessary. We are a national organization and this nation is very big. Physically, we are located far apart and there are not many opportunities to come togetherto feel like a cohesive group or a family. Communication at a regular interval is the cecond best way to achieve this objective. Internet and E-mail have provided us an opportunity to do just that. But one way communication is not communication. It is just a monologue and does not create the feeling of being part of afamily. I hope all will use medium to achieve this objective. The EB of VHP of America met on May 9and 10 in Connecticut and reviewed our status and chartered our future course. You will get the full report from Sh. Abhay Asthana, our joing general secretary. Amongst the future programs and grojects we discussed was holding a Hindu conference in year 2001. If we want to exist as a national organization, we have to have periodic national events. Organizing national events takes imagination, planning and efforts. I am writing this letter to ask your suggestions and opinions about this. The questions which need to be answered are: 1. The main theme of the event. 2. The format of the meeting. 3. Topics etc. to be disscussed. 4. Names of the chief guest and other speakers. 5. Location. 6. Exact time of the conference. The information and suggestions provided by the members of the GC will be quite helpful in making the final decision. I have my views about all the above mentioned questions. I will write those to all of you in my communication to you after I receive your responses. Even if you do not have any suggestion, please acknowledge this letter. If majority of members do not acknowledge, it could mean that they do not have access to E-mail or they did not care to answer. If the response is poor, I will communicate with via "snail mail". If you see this e-mail on your computer screen, please take a few moments and acknowledge the mail. Brotherly, Yash Pal Lakra. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From VICHARAK@aol.com Sun May 17 22:46:28 1998 From: VICHARAK Message-ID: Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 22:45:15 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: year 2001 Program Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org 5/17/1998 Dear Yash Palji: Namaste. I was happy to receive your email on EB meeting. I agree that communication is a two way street and hope that all the GC members and chapter presidents/coordiantors on the vhpgc-list (and there are 51 name son this list) will respond to your earnest request. Yes, we should periodically have national events; form 1993 to 2001 is eight years- which is fairly large gap, so the proposal comes at right time. My views, in brief are as follows: (1) Rather than a very structured conference, it should be an event that would let various organizations and religious sects showcase their achievements. For example, Swmainarayan Samstha, Chinmaya Mission, various temples (such as Pittsburgh Balaji and New York Ganesh temples) could have their own stalls and even some parallel programs. There would be some plenary sessions, where all will come together. If we work on this as a cohesive team, we can build rapport with all Hindu organizations, sects and temples/ashrams which in turn will build up Dharma Samsad. (2) Program can be of two days duration- in an area where there is concentration of Hindu community and VHP has a strong chapter. Houston comes to my mind. (3) Topics etc., can be discussed later. (4) July/August may be a good time. (5) For speakers, my request is that we concentrate on people available in the USA and minimize number of invitee speakers from other countries. This puts a lot of burden on our resources- financial as well as manpower and logistic is quite complex and time consuming. (6) We define all parameters of the event at the outset, get financial commitments form all GC members and chapters, prepare a budget and adhere to it. (7) Even before we start planning for 2001 event, we discuss weaknesses of 1993 program, not with a view to criticize or to lay blame but to ascertain that we do not repeat the mistakes. (8) Our current strength of membership is around 1200 and our net balance is under $50,000 (depending on how much of the cash on hand is reserved for Support A child and Seva projects). In close to five years after the 1993 event, we have been unable to raise the membership figure significantly and we have not replenished the fixed funds to the tune of $300,000 that we had planned to. So, we must make a genuine effort to bring the membership figure to at least 2000 and net cash reserves on hand to $300,000-$400,000 before we start working on the year 2001 event. If we are able to achieve this, then, we can think of an event which would not exceed $500,000 in costs. These are just some stray thoughts. But, it is at least a beginning. Brotherly, Gaurang _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From shahajay@yahoo.com Mon May 18 16:16:33 1998 Message-ID: <19980518201759.28121.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 13:17:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Ajay Shah Subject: Re: EB meeting To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Namaskar Lakraji, I have some reservations about the Year 2001 conference. I think that VHP-A should define some milestones and meet them before any more *mega programs* are planned. I do not agree with the assertion that in order to exist as an organization we need to have such mega events. I do realize the role big programs plan in building organizations and the public perception of organizations. However, the fundamental question we should ask ourselves is, "are we organizationally ready for such an event", or "what will it take for us to be ready for such an event" IMHO, we should define goals, which *must* be met before we decide on a mega event. These goals must be : 1. We will have XXX no. of active chapters 2. Our membership will be XXX 3. We will have XXX no. of bal vihars 4. We will have at least XXX amount available (not counting permanent funds) 5. We would have achieved at least XXX goals in seva project 6. We would have at least XXX active workers 7. We will have XXX no. of full time workers at least a year prior to the conference and so on. where XXX should be defined by the GC. Unless we meet these criteria, I strongly urge that we do not take any mega event. regards, ajay ---YLakra wrote: > Amongst the future > programs and grojects we discussed was holding a Hindu conference in year > 2001. If we want to exist as a national organization, we have to have periodic > national events. Organizing national events takes imagination, planning and > efforts. I am writing this letter to ask your suggestions and opinions about > this. The questions which need to be answered are: > 1. The main theme of the event. > 2. The format of the meeting. > 3. Topics etc. to be disscussed. > 4. Names of the chief guest and other speakers. > 5. Location. > 6. Exact time of the conference. > The information and suggestions provided by the members of the GC > will be quite helpful in making the final decision. I have my views about all > the above mentioned questions. I will write those to all of you in my > communication to you after I receive your responses. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From jlakhia@umich.edu Mon May 18 20:22:12 1998 From: "Jwalant Lakhia" To: Subject: TIME magazine survey Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 19:55:29 -0400 Message-ID: <000201bd82bc$87cc0800$91026fc6@ppp.umd.umich.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namaskar: TIME magazine is conducting opinion survey, asking whether US shouldsupport ndia or China. It can be found at http://cgi.pathfinder.com/time/daily/poll/980512.html Currently it is running neck in neck. Help change that with your vote for India! Please forward this message to all your friends. Thank you Jwalant _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Vartalapa@aol.com Mon May 18 21:30:41 1998 From: Vartalapa Message-ID: <38f2f84a.3560e0ad@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 21:30:20 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: EB meeting Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Yashpal Bhai, I read your EB meeting report & the mega event that both you and Gaurang bhai are proposing. I also read Ajay's suggestions. My views are closer to Ajay's, simply because I do not see us that well organised yet . Also the monetary situation is rather shaky. This does not mean that we do not have successes to our credit. HSC the Anti- Defamation efforts and our internet presence as well as many of us responding to issues and quickly acting through the electronic media,are all acheivements ! So may be we need to address these issues first. However, I being on this board for afar shorter time defer to your better judgement. Regards, Renu S Malhotra _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Tue May 19 16:59:32 1998 Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 12:51:01 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Help GHEN : Order Your Books from Amazon Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Now you can order *any* of the 2.5 million books that Amazon.com sells and help GHEN. Books on India, Hindu dharma, computer science, fiction, non-fiction etc. are all available from GHEN through Amazon.com To order the books visit our site : http://www.hindunet.org/bookstore/ Amazon.com generally offers very good discount on the books, and in addition pays GHEN a percentage on the books sold. So next time you have to buy books, please order them through GHEN. And yes, we do have books by Dr. David Frawley available from our website. regards, ajay _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Tue May 19 17:23:51 1998 Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 13:15:20 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Subscribe to Hinduism Today and help GHEN Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Namaskar, You can help our net related activities, immensely by subscribing to the premier Hindu monthly Hinduism Today. In order for GHEN to benifit GHEN, please subscribe to Hinduism Today from the specially designed site : http://www.hindunet.org/hinduism-today/ The collaboration yields GHEN about $7.00 per subscription. Please ask your friends and family to also subscribe to this excellent publication through GHEN. regards, ajay _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Pallod@aol.com Tue May 19 18:19:41 1998 From: Pallod Message-ID: <33163838.35620556@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 18:19:00 EDT To: VHPGC-L@HINDUNET.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: VHP Hindu Heritage Day News Release Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_895616341_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_895616341_boundary Content-ID: <0_895616341@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Namashkar We had a very successful Hindu Heritage day in Houston. I am enclosing press release prepared by Beth. If you have any comments pls let me know. Vijay K. Pallod --part0_895616341_boundary Content-ID: <0_895616341@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-za04.mx.aol.com (rly-za04.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.100]) by air-za02.mail.aol.com (v43.15) with SMTP; Tue, 19 May 1998 16:37:45 -0400 Received: from portal.amoco.com (interlock.amoco.com [192.195.167.2]) by rly-za04.mx.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with SMTP id QAA22838 for ; Tue, 19 May 1998 16:37:44 -0400 (EDT) From: bbkulkarni@amoco.com Received: by interlock.amoco.com id AA13544 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for pallod@aol.com); Tue, 19 May 1998 15:37:40 -0500 Message-Id: <199805192037.AA13544@interlock.amoco.com> Received: by interlock.amoco.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Tue, 19 May 1998 15:37:40 -0500 Received: by interlock.amoco.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Tue, 19 May 1998 15:37:40 -0500 Received: by interlock.amoco.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 19 May 1998 15:37:40 -0500 X-Openmail-Hops: 1 Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 15:28:38 -0500 Subject: VHP Hindu Heritage Day News Release (Revised) To: pallod@aol.com Content-Disposition: inline; filename="cc:Mail" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit VHP-A, Houston Chapter Press Release For Immediate Release Prepared by Beth Kulkarni, 713-467-3022 (H), 281-366-4463 (W). Refer questions to Vijay Pallod, 281-368-5360, x113 (W). Hindu Heritage Day was celebrated in Houston on Saturday, May 16, 1998, with a cultural program, presentation of Hindu Youth awards, dinner and Raas Garba. More than 350 persons attended the event which was sponsored by the Houston chapter of Vishwa Hindu Parishad of America and held at Gaurang Hall of Hare Krishna Temple at 6 p.m. The program was very competently MC'ed by Mona Parekh and Hemu Vala. One of the highlights of the evening was the talk given by Pramila-Taiji Medhe, Pramukh Karyavahika (General Secretary) of Rashtriya Sevika Samiti, the largest women's social service organization in India. Samiti promotes the development of women from all parts of the society in all aspects of life such as physical, mental and spiritual. Pramila-Taiji is an enthusiastic, energetic woman who, after taking early retirement from her government job, has devoted herself to full time organization work in the Samiti. Since 1978 she has served as head of the organization. In her inspiring talk, Taiji as she is affectionately called, emphasized the role of Hindu women. "A woman must recognize her strength as mother to her own family, to society and to whole humanity." She stated that we believe in the empowerment of women to promote Hindu values. "If we know who we are, then we know what is to be done. And when we know what is to be done, then we can do it." Pramila-Taiji ended with a traditional prayer for all humanity. Another highlight was recognition of the following young people as winners of the 1998 Hindu Youth Awards: Chandarakant P. Patel, son of Manjulaben and Prabhararbhai Patel, an engineering student and a BSS youth volunteer-activity coordinator has organized several service projects. He was nominated by Bochasanwasi Akshar Purushottam Swaminarayan Sanstha. Anupama Dhingra, daughter of Vijay and Ashok Dhingra, has contributed more than 100 hours of volunteer service to the Arya Samaj Library and takes her religious education class seriously. She was nominated by Aryan Samaj of Houston. Raghuveer Akula, son of Vijayalakshmi and Hanumant Rao Akula, is an Eagle Scout, assists in teaching and won Slokathan in 1992. He was nominated by Chinmaya Mission of Houston Seema Nair, daughter of Shyamala and Somarajan Nair, has been an active leader of MTS and Malayalee youth groups and an MTS camp counselor as well as an Honors student. She was nominated by Sri Meenakshi Temple Society. Nimitt Patel, son of Varshaben and Jagdishbhai Patel, a U of H student, has been a very good volunteer especially at VHP Youth Camps, showing discipline and self-motivation. He was nominated by VHP-America. Sonali Patel, daughter of Sumanben and Kantibhai Patel, has assisted in youth activities for Gujarati Samaj and serves as president of the youth wing of Lewa Patidar Samaj. She was nominated by the Gujarati Samaj of Houston. Omkar Kapoor, son of Asha and A.L. Kapoor, shows leadership in Mandir activities and a fine character. He was nominated by Hindu Worship Society. Sandeep and Prabha Gupta, newly-weds and son and daughter-in-law of Sarla and Vishnu Gupta, have worked together on HSC projects on the local and national level, including the Regional HSC conference in December. They were nominated by Hindu Student Council. In honoring these youth VHP-A also recognizes the many Hindu religious and cultural organizations, not all of which are listed, who have provided our youth the opportunity to serve community, while nurturing Hindu values. The program also included a pooja dance by Sujata Amin, Nita Vala, and Priya Kumar, students of Rathna Kumar. Vande Mataram was sung by the Vandan Naik group which also provided music for the Raas Garba. Two group songs were presented by students of Prakash Naik: Kavita, Nakita, Seema, Neil, Vanita, and Sujata. A slide show presented various aspects of local programs supported by VHP-A: Community programs such as Freedom Festival `98, Summer Youth Camp, Hindu Students Council and various activities at Keshav Smruti. Although the mood of the evening was generally one of celebration of the Hindu Heritage, there were some serious moments as the mention of the more than 40 Kashmiri Hindus who have been killed in the last few months just for being Hindus and the request for prayer for a young UT student and VHP camp counselor, Ajay Trikh, who is in a comma following an auto accident. Among Pramila Tai's other activities in Houston were a meeting with active volunteers, a women's meeting, visits with two local interfaith groups, and visits to several local temples. She also visited Bellaire High School where she spoke to the Hindi class. Funds totaling $35,600 were collected and/or pledged during the evening and will go to the following VHP areas: Seva projects, youth activities, and general fund and to the Institute of Hindu Studies, a newly established organization which will provide academic, college-level classes in Hindu studies beginning June 1, 1998. --part0_895616341_boundary-- _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From jlakhia@umich.edu Wed May 20 20:44:44 1998 From: "Jwalant Lakhia" To: Cc: "'Rajive & Priya'" Subject: Correction in Congressman Brown's email address Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 20:07:36 -0400 Message-ID: <000301bd8452$04f52000$48906ec6@ppp.umd.umich.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namaskar: There was a message on the VHP-GC net about Congressman Brown signing our Kashmir Protest guest book on the Hindunet. In that message Congressman Brown had given an incorrect email address by mistake. His correct email address is: sherrod@mail.house.gov Please send a message to him and thank him for his support on the Kashmir issue. Thank you, Jwalant Lakhia _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Pallod@aol.com Wed May 20 22:05:32 1998 From: Pallod Message-ID: <998b181b.35638bb5@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 22:04:35 EDT To: VHPGC-L@HINDUNET.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: FISI- Houston chapter had successful program Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_895716276_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_895716276_boundary Content-ID: <0_895716276@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Namashkar, In Housston we had very busy schedule. Saturday we had Hindu Heritage day weekdays Pramila Taiji was here on Sunday FISI had successful public meeting. Vijay Pallod --part0_895716276_boundary Content-ID: <0_895716276@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from relay22.mx.aol.com (relay22.mail.aol.com [172.31.106.68]) by air09.mail.aol.com (v43.17) with SMTP; Wed, 20 May 1998 17:55:04 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f75.hotmail.com [207.82.250.181]) by relay22.mx.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with SMTP id RAA06951 for ; Wed, 20 May 1998 17:55:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15275 invoked by uid 0); 20 May 1998 21:55:00 -0000 Message-ID: <19980520215500.15274.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.254.32.154 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 20 May 1998 14:54:58 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.254.32.154] From: "Susheem Mehta" To: pallod@aol.com Cc: susheem@hotmail.com Subject: FISI Press Release Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 14:54:58 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit PRESS RELEASE Friends of India Society International (FISI) USA is an organization founded in 1975 during the infamous emergency days of Mrs. Indira Gandhi. It is an organization of persons of Indian origin living outside India. FISI strives to correct the image of India and bring about a better understanding of the Indian culture in the host countries. In the USA, FISI is actively lobbying with Congressmen and Senators on issues related to the Indian-Americans or India. Friends of India Society International and the Indo-American Political Action Committee convened a meeting of Houston's Indian-American community on Sunday, May 17, to assess India's nuclear testing. Over thee hundred people attended the meeting at the Mahatma Gandhi Community Center, use of which was generously donated by the Gujarati Samaj of Houston. The meeting included a video presentation, followed by calls to action by members of both FISI and IAPAC, and a signature campaign. Mr. Prakash Shah, Vice President of the Gujarati Samaj, introduced the program. The audience applauded several times during the twenty-minute video presentation of clips from Doordarshan broadcasts. The video featured the initial press conference of Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee following the first nuclear tests, commentary from Doordarshan's news anchors, and the press conference of scientists from the Atomic Energy Commission and the Defense Research and Development Organization. Mr. Murali Tekchandani, prepared the video as part of his website, located at www.positiveindia.com. IAPAC's Mr. Jagat Kamdar, businessman, followed with an historical perspective of India's foreign and defense policies with respect to nuclear weapons. Mr. Kamdar emphasized the point that India's genuine security concerns, not war-mongering, guided the country's decision to proceed with nuclear testing. He also suggested that an advertisement in the Houston Chronicle would provide a useful medium to express the viewpoint of the Indian-American community. Mr. Amit Misra, a Houston-based attorney, followed with a call to action, urging members of the Indian-American community to write members of Congress and the White Houst as concerned Americans. "Regardless of your national origin, as an American, you should be concerned about a U.S. policy that turns a blind eye to Chinese missile proliferation and tacitly accepts Pakistani missile development while imposing sanctions on a sister democracy like India." FISI's Mr. Susheem Mehta spoke next, requesting the audience to sign the letter prepared by IAPAC which was available at the meeting and offering information about members of Congress whom the Indian-American community should lobby to end the sanctions on India and to stop the release of F-16 fighter aircraft to Pakistan. Mr. Krishna Rao, of IAPAC, exhorted the audience to sign the protest letter and asked them to cooperate in any future joint campaigns. For more information on writing letters to members of Congress, please contact Susheem Mehta of FISI at (281) 495-0032. Also, FISI informs that there is accurate and up to the minute information about latest happenings in India on a web site: http://www.freeindia.org . Please visit this site on the internet. END OF ARTICLE ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --part0_895716276_boundary-- _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From MJMEHTA@aol.com Thu May 21 05:47:39 1998 From: MJMEHTA Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 05:46:55 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: EB meeting Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Dear Yashpalji: Saprem Namaste. You have taken a very good step to reach out to all the GC members for their views for a national level program. I had to leave earlier from the EB meeting and hence I am unaware of the full discussion on this subject matter. A national level organization can not be effective without a national level program. I have always viewed big events as a means to reach out the entire community. To become a real voice of the Hindus in the Western Hemisphere the organization needs to build up support of all Hindu religious and spiritual organizations and temples. The proposed Dharma Sansad on August 22, 1998 is one step in that direction. The GC body has to provide the vision for the program, a strategy to realize the vision, be prepared to raise resources, both human and monetary and above all the GC members must be prepared to make great sacrifices in personal lives to achieve the organizational goals. As I mentioned in EB meeting this requires a champion for the cause. There is no dearth of Monday Quarterbacks. Regards Mahesh Mehta _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Pallod@aol.com Thu May 21 09:08:48 1998 From: Pallod Message-ID: <868e1add.3564273b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 09:08:10 EDT To: VHPGC-L@HINDUNET.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: India abroad todays's picture on internet on VHP Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Namshkar, I do not understand why vhp workers get involved in this kind of activities. This kind of acts gives bad image to our orgonization. I would like to know what others think. Go to indiaabroad.com and look at the picture. Pakistan's flag being burnt by members of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad in New Delhi on May 17. (Photo: AFP) Vijay Pallod _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From shahajay@yahoo.com Thu May 21 13:18:54 1998 Message-ID: <19980521171348.8755.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 10:13:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Ajay Shah Subject: Re: India abroad todays's picture on internet on VHP To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit But then Pakistanis burnt Indian flag first. So perhaps instead of blaming VHP, we ought to blame India Abroad for not printing pictures of Paksitanis burning Indian flag? I saw these pictures on CNN. So, let's aim our guns at Pakistan and India Abroad, not on VHP-Bharat. BTW, if I saw Indian flags being burnt in Pakistan on TV, I too would respond in kind if I were in India. And I also think that VHP-A should send a formal letter to India Abroad criticizing this one-sided reporting. regards, ajay ---Pallod wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Namshkar, > > I do not understand why vhp workers get involved in this kind of activities. > This kind of acts gives bad image to our orgonization. I would like to know > what others > think. Go to indiaabroad.com and look at the picture. > > Pakistan's flag being burnt by members of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad in > New Delhi on May 17. (Photo: AFP) > > Vijay Pallod > > _____________________________ > For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From shahajay@yahoo.com Thu May 21 14:17:43 1998 Message-ID: <19980521181910.15685.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 11:19:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Ajay Shah Subject: Re: India abroad todays's picture on internet on VHP -Reply To: "SHAHS%DOM13.DOPO8" , vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Cc: rshah@shearman.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Sonal, Please tell me what VHP-Bharat activity was affected by the demonstration? VHP-Bharat still carries out the same "seva" projects that it did before. VHP-Bharat still runs the same schools and hospitals. VHP-Bharat still advocates the building of temples. And last I checked none of the Vanavasi Kalyan Ashram activities were un-affected. Was demonstration against Pakistani embassy merely a tit-for-tat action? I think that it was something more. I think that this action told the people who are living in India and Pakistan that there is at least one group in India, which will stand up to the persistent terrorists attacks from Pakistan, whether it is in Kashmir or Chennai or Mumbai. It was an assertion that the days of Hindus tolerating whatever crap that is handed down to them are over. For too long, whenever Indian flag was burnt in Pakistan, we Indians watched silently. But at least to me, burning of the Pakistani flag in India meant a symbolic gesture with far reaching consequences. What is troubling though, is that India Abroad would print one sided report, not show the Indian flag being set afire in Pakistan, create the impression of Hindu extremism, and Hindus would fall for it. This is not too different from Pakistani and pseudo-secular media in India still criticizing Hindu for Barbari structure demolition but fails to mention that over a 100 temples were destroyed in Pakistan and Bangladesh in return and over 100 other in Kashmir since terrorism started there. regards, -ajay ---"SHAHS%DOM13.DOPO8" wrote: > > Date: 05/21/1998 01:47 pm (Thursday) > From: Sonal Shah > To: EX.MAIL("shahajay@yahoo.com", "vhpgc-l@hindunet.org") > CC: roopal > Subject: Re: India abroad todays's picture on internet on VHP -Reply > > Sorry, but that's jsut a petty argument. Just because one is stupid > does not mean that the other needs to show its ignorance. I > thought Indians were above this petty nonsense. > > Why don't we focus on improving the lives of the citizens, etc. > That's where VHP Bharat's strength is -- people remember that. > > >>> EX.MAIL."shahajay@yahoo.com" 05/21/98 01:13pm >>> > RFC-822-Headers: > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > But then Pakistanis burnt Indian flag first. So perhaps instead of > blaming VHP, we ought to blame India Abroad for not printing > pictures > of Paksitanis burning Indian flag? > > I saw these pictures on CNN. So, let's aim our guns at Pakistan > and > India Abroad, not on VHP-Bharat. > > BTW, if I saw Indian flags being burnt in Pakistan on TV, I too > would > respond in kind if I were in India. And I also think that VHP-A > should send a formal letter to India Abroad criticizing this > one-sided > reporting. > > regards, > > ajay > > > > > ---Pallod wrote: > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Namshkar, > > > > I do not understand why vhp workers get involved in this kind > of > activities. > > This kind of acts gives bad image to our orgonization. I would > like > to know > > what others > > think. Go to indiaabroad.com and look at the picture. > > > > Pakistan's flag being burnt by members of the Vishwa Hindu > Parishad > in > > New Delhi on May 17. (Photo: AFP) > > > > Vijay Pallod > > > > _____________________________ > > For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: > owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > Comments and questions are welcome, use: > owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > _____________________________ > For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: > owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Comments and questions are welcome, use: > owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Vartalapa@aol.com Thu May 21 14:50:33 1998 From: Vartalapa Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 14:49:46 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: India abroad todays's picture on internet on VHP Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org I am all for a letter to News papers , India Abroad in this case to please be fair in printing news. The job of news media should simply be to present things as they happen on all sides. We could do a letter and all sign it, if you & others agree. Regards, Renu _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From mihir@eyepiece.com Thu May 21 17:19:17 1998 Message-ID: <00c101bd84fe$3c999660$d080d98d@meghanis> From: "Mihir Meghani" To: "VHP-India" , "VHP GC List" Subject: HSC Statement on US-India ties and India's Nuclear Testing Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 16:42:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org HINDU STUDENTS COUNCIL Main Office: P.O. Box 9185, Boston, MA 02114 USA. Phone: (617) 698-1106 Fax: (617) 444-8725 E-mail: hsc@hindunet.org Web: www.hindunet.org Press Release: U.S. - India Ties and India's Nuclear Testing May 21, 1998 The Hindu Students Council (HSC) urges closer ties between the U.S. and India. Hindu-Americans consider India their cultural and spiritual motherland and America their home. Hindu-Americans, numbering over one million, are concerned about the security and future prosperity of India as well as the economic and security concerns of the US because of events surrounding India's nuclear testing. Hindu-Americans make up 85% of the Indian-American community and have contributed much to this country. Indian-Americans, for example, are the wealthiest community in America with a median family income 25% greater than all U.S. households. Also, over 80% of Indian-American heads of households have college degrees and over 50% own their own homes. Hindu-Americans have contributed greatly to America in the areas of culture, science, engineering, technology, business, law, medicine, and social service. Because of the role that both India and the U.S. play in the lives of Hindu-Americans, it is regrettable that two countries that should be natural allies should see their relationship suffer. India, with close to half of the world's free population, is the world's largest democracy, and the U.S. is the world's most powerful democracy. Both India and the U.S. share the same values - the values of freedom of press, freedom of speech, and freedom of religion; both have faith in the entire gamut of democratic values, and both should see in each other the greatest of possible allies. HSC encourages the U.S. to understand India's urgent security concerns. India is surrounded by China, which has nuclear weapons aimed at India from occupied Tibet, and Pakistan, which has a stockpile of nuclear bombs made with Chinese assistance. More alarmingly, China attacked India and took thousands of square miles of territory in 1962, and Pakistan attacked India three times since 1947. For peace, India gave the territory it won in each war with Pakistan back to it. Insidiously, China has been supplying Pakistan with conventional and nuclear capability in her campaign to weaken India and remain a dominant power in Asia. Some of this technology was actually transferred from the U.S. to China. Pakistan, with Chinese help, recently tested the Ghauri missile. China has also transferred weapons to Iran, Iraq, and Libya, and has maintained a hostile posture to all nations in Asia. Furthermore, China's record of human rights abuses is well known. Pakistan is a known terrorist supporting state. It is connected to the World Trade Center bombing, bomb blasts in Mumbai (Bombay), and armed Islamic fundamentalists in the Indian state of Kashmir to whom it gives functional, financial, and military support. With neighbors like this, it is not unreasonable for India to feel a need to establish an effective deterrent for its own security. Unlike South Korea, Japan, and the NATO countries, India does not have military alliances that guarantee its safety. In this light, U.S. criticism of India shows a lack of understanding of India and unfairly singles out India considering the fact that China and France, which tested nuclear weapons in 1996, did not face sanctions. HSC congratulates India's scientists, engineers, and policymakers for the technical and scientific achievement and hopes that this will lead to true peace in South Asia. HSC's vision is for a world free of all weapons, not just nuclear weapons. The traditional Hindu vision proclaims "Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam" - the whole universe is one family. Until all nations and peoples of the world truly feel a bond with each other and understand that we are all one, respecting each other regardless of religious, linguistic, or cultural differences, true peace cannot be achieved despite the best of efforts. Until then, peaceful nations like India that have perilous security concerns will have to arm themselves with effective deterrents to aggression. The U.S. and India, as the two major democracies of the world, have the opportunity to work together to provide unmatched leadership to the rest of the world. The U.S., with her material wealth and technological prowess, and India, with her spiritual wealth, educated English speaking population, and scientific manpower, can complement each other very well. The U.S. and India can work together for the economic betterment of both countries. India has opened up its infrastructure projects to billions of dollars of investment, with the U.S. being India's major investor. The U.S. government can help American businesses and the American people by lifting the recently implemented sanctions since they will hurt U.S. based companies more than India itself. Such a move would benefit both countries economically and contribute to the natural closeness that the U.S. and India should have. Prepared by the Hindu Students Council - Community Action Network Email: hsc-can@hindunet.org Main Office: P.O. Box 9185, Boston, MA 02114 USA Phone: (617) 698-1106, Fax: (617) 444-8725 HSC has setup a special website : http://www.freeindia.org/news/nuclear_test/ where comprehensive information about the nuclear tests is available, and where one may sign a note congratulating India's scientists, engineers, and policy makers. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Jitendra_Goel@qmail4.nba.TRW.COM Thu May 21 19:11:34 1998 Message-ID: Date: 21 May 1998 16:09:46 -0600 From: "Jitendra Goel" Subject: Re: India abroad today's pi To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.3d2 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 RE>>India abroad today's picture on... 5/21/98 I agree with renu, I think she has an excellent idea. If there are 50 or 100 signatures, India abroad will get the message.The media's job is to present the facts and not present a twisted view. Jitendra ------------------------------ Date: 5/21/98 11:59 AM To: Goel, Jitendra From: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org I am all for a letter to News papers , India Abroad in this case to please be fair in printing news. The job of news media should simply be to present things as they happen on all sides. We could do a letter and all sign it, if you & others agree. Regards, Renu _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by qmail4.sp.trw.com with ADMIN;21 May 1998 11:58:03 -0700 Received: from www10.clever.net (www10.clever.net [209.25.19.1]) by mail-relay1.trw.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA00760 for ; Thu, 21 May 1998 11:51:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) id OAA09515; Thu, 21 May 1998 14:50:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Vartalapa Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 14:49:46 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: India abroad todays's picture on internet on VHP Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From srtiwari@hotmail.com Thu May 21 23:52:40 1998 Message-ID: <19980522035209.10210.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [170.140.251.185] From: "shyam tiwari" To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: India abroad todays's picture on internet on VHP Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 20:52:08 PDT X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Namaste, I don't tink there is any need to get upset about it. VHP Bharat has more responsibilities of nationalistic in nature than us here simply because of being there, that is the ground reality. I think, the one we have to be watchfull of is newspapers like India Abroad who in one issue would create false impression of being on one side and in the next issue hurting the same people on whome side they would have portaryed to be, like Subramanyam Swami. We do not have to worry about what others would say or feel if we are doing something right for the country. If it is in national interest, do it. But at the same time make it clear. Regards, Shyam Tiwari >From ghen@www10.clever.net Thu May 21 06:09:59 1998 >Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) id JAA12597; Thu, 21 May 1998 09:08:53 -0400 (EDT) >From: Pallod >Message-ID: <868e1add.3564273b@aol.com> >Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 09:08:10 EDT >To: VHPGC-L@hindunet.org >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Subject: India abroad todays's picture on internet on VHP >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 >X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Namshkar, > >I do not understand why vhp workers get involved in this kind of activities. >This kind of acts gives bad image to our orgonization. I would like to know >what others >think. Go to indiaabroad.com and look at the picture. > >Pakistan's flag being burnt by members of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad in >New Delhi on May 17. (Photo: AFP) > >Vijay Pallod > >_____________________________ >For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From VICHARAK@aol.com Thu May 21 23:56:04 1998 From: VICHARAK Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 23:55:17 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Ram Prakash Agarwal Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org 5/21/1998 11:50 PM Dear Colleagues: Namaste. I have just come to know that Shree Ram Prakash Agarwalji had a mild heart attack yesterday and is convalescing in a Miami hospital. I have not talked directly with his family members yet. You may recall that Shree Ram Prakashji, a member of the Governing Council is a past President of VHP of America as well as past Chairman of the Advisory Board. Incidentally, I am going to Florida tomorrow for the long weekend, so I will visit with Ram Prakashji and express good wishes on your behalf. You can contact Shreemati Nirubahen Agarwal/Ram Prakashji at : 8220 SW 133rd Street, Miami, FL 33156. Tel.: (305) 238-0327. email: ragarwal@mednet.med.miami.edu Our prayers and best wishes for a full recovery to Ram Prakashji. Brotherly yours, Gaurang G. Vaishnav _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From shahajay@yahoo.com Fri May 22 03:54:28 1998 Message-ID: <19980522075403.13212.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 00:54:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Ajay Shah Subject: Re: India abroad todays's picture on internet on VHP -Reply -Reply To: "SHAHS%DOM13.DOPO8" , vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Cc: rshah@shearman.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Sonal, Your points are well taken. There are at least three reasons for any political action based on what I learnt as ABVP activist. One is to send a message to your opponent, other is public relations and third, for rallying your own cadre/workers. I scored the VHP-B action using these criteria. Having said that, I completely agree with you on the need for effective education and public relations campaign. I also agree that both VHP-A and VHP-B are weak in these two areas. regards, ajay > From: Sonal Shah > > Ajay, > > I understand your issues. I am not saying they are not vlaid. > However, there are ways to make your point known. When the > world diregards your statements b/c they label you as the > aggravator it does not help. > > The same message can be sent through a very effective education > campaign. VHP should not go political. A strong education > campaign with Indian as well as inernational support would go a > long way. > > This does not preclude serious security issues. Those are > legitimate concerns and India has the right to protect itself. But > burning the Pakistani flag b/c they did the same just really seems > petty. When US hostages were taken in Iran they burned the US > flag, but we did not so the same. > > I have a realyl hard time with a tit for tat game -- it just becomes > petty he said, she said and losing sight of the overall issue. > > take care > Sonal > > >>> EX.MAIL."shahajay@yahoo.com" 05/21/98 02:19pm >>> > RFC-822-Headers: > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From VICHARAK@aol.com Fri May 22 07:53:33 1998 From: VICHARAK Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 07:52:53 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: India abroad todays's picture on internet on VHP Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org 5/22/98 Dear Renubahen: Namaste. I agree with your idea. Would you please take a lead and prepare the letter. I have not seen Sonalbahen's comments yet, but I saw Ajay's comments to her. Media has peculiar way of bending news to suite their partisan ends or further their agenda. Perhaps, Sonalbahen did not have the background. In any case, we must protest to IA and also send copy of thart letter to New India Times, their professional rival. I will be at 561-265-1577 (FL) from tonight to 5/26 eve. I owe you a call. Brotherly, Gaurang _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Anshug@aol.com Fri May 22 12:38:41 1998 From: Anshug Message-ID: <5df2fd0a.3565a9e7@aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 12:37:58 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Ram Prakash Agarwal Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Dear gaurang bhai We are reaching the age where these things are becoming more frequent news than we would like to. Please convey our regards and best wishes to Agrawal family. Thank you very much for all that you for the good of the VHP-A. Ram & Pushpa Goswami _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Jitendra_Goel@qmail4.nba.TRW.COM Fri May 22 13:01:40 1998 Message-ID: Date: 22 May 1998 09:58:21 -0600 From: "Jitendra Goel" Subject: Re: Ram Prakash Agarwal To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.3d2 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 RE>>Ram Prakash Agarwal 5/22/98 Gaurang Bhai, I tried calling you at your Florida No., but there was no answer. Will try again. I was sorry to know about Agarwal Sahib's health problem. Our good wishes are with him and I am sure he will fully recover soon. Jitendra P.S. We had a very wonderful V.H.P. camp last week. Lot of new families are coming to V.H.P now . We had about 80 persons attend the camp. People are already asking the dates of the next camp. About 80% attendee's were new. We want to cultivate them. Regards Jitendra ------------------------------ Date: 5/22/98 9:47 AM To: Goel, Jitendra From: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Dear gaurang bhai We are reaching the age where these things are becoming more frequent news than we would like to. Please convey our regards and best wishes to Agrawal family. Thank you very much for all that you for the good of the VHP-A. Ram & Pushpa Goswami _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by qmail4.sp.trw.com with ADMIN;22 May 1998 09:46:06 -0700 Received: from www10.clever.net (www10.clever.net [209.25.19.1]) by mail-relay2.trw.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA11841 for ; Fri, 22 May 1998 09:39:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) id MAA00604; Fri, 22 May 1998 12:38:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Anshug Message-ID: <5df2fd0a.3565a9e7@aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 12:37:58 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Ram Prakash Agarwal Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From jlakhia@umich.edu Fri May 22 21:09:47 1998 From: "Jwalant Lakhia" To: Subject: RE: EB meeting Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 21:11:40 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bd85e7$d74e1480$4e026fc6@ppp.umd.umich.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1e86a360.355f7ce9@aol.com> X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Dear Lakraji: Namaskar!! I think it is a really good idea to have the Hindu Conference in 2001. This conference will create a bigger awareness of VHPA in N.America and more importantly, it will serve as a big boost to many of our activities. Being a national organization, it is very important that we organize national events more frequently and provide a national forum to discuss various issues affecting Hindus in this country. Currently, inspire of all the great activities VHPA has been doing, not many people in N.America have a clear understanding of what we are. If we have this conference, it will give us an opportunity to show what we are and what we can do on a national level. If we decide to have this conference, I have following suggestions: 1. I suggest that have this conference during the Memorial Day weekend or Labor Day weekend. There are various kind of conf. and camps taking place at other long weekends by all Indian organizations and people usually end up going to those events rather than VHP event. 2. We should have this conf. in an area where VHP needs to be stronger. I propose to have this conf. in Detroit. I think that VHP is very strong in Northeast, Southwest and Texas areas. We have strong VHP chapter in Detroit but we need to make Midwest as strong as other areas. If we have this conf. in Detroit, it will help in making VHP stronger in Midwest. I am sure that there might be other areas where we need to increase VHP's strength. 3. I also think that we should ask all the Sangh Parivar organizations not to have any big events or camps before the conference. We should concentrate on getting all the Sangh Parivar members and their families to attend the conference. If we are going to have other big events before the conf. people may not be able to take any time off from their work or business since they have already attended events in their area. As you can see, I am already getting excited about this conf. I am going to hold on to my other suggestions until we have decided to have the conference for sure. Thank you. Jwalant Lakhia _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Pallod@aol.com Sun May 24 10:42:31 1998 From: Pallod Message-ID: <93a26dee.356831ad@aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 10:41:47 EDT To: VHPGC-L@HINDUNET.ORG Cc: dxa4@psu.edu (Dinesh Agrawal), Starpipe2@aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: VHP picture in India Abroad. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namshkar, I have read everyones opinion.. Yesterday I had a long talk with Sonal Shah who comes from new generation. I also discussed with Pradeep Goyal who is son BJP treasurer. I would like to make following points. 1. Some of us making statements without knowing all the facts. IA has printed last week picture of Pakisthani burning Indian flag. They also printed picture of Jamet-e-Islam rally. IA printed picture from both sides not one side. 2. As Pradeepji said no point blaming media when our workers gets involved in such activities. In Bharat we have BJP, ABVP, Bajrangdal, and many others. Let them do such activites. Why VHP should get involved. When we get active in such things we get blamed as fundamentalist,....... 3. When media or India Abroad does good job we keep quite we do not complement them. When they do one mistake or bad report at us we jump at them. This is not good public relation. When India abroad wrote a good and balanced story abut RSS and VHP how many of us replied. If we did not complement them when they wrote a story in our favour then we have no point to complain about one purticular event. 4. If we are serious about improving the relation with media. We need to do what Dineshji Agrwal (OFBJP President ) has been doing. They have sent a delegation to New York Times and Wall Street Journal and had a very fruitful meeting. 5. I used to hear complains in Houston from many of our workers that IA do not give good coverage about Sangh activities. We have takes this as a challenge to change them. By working with them in past two years, we got an excellent coverage about Houston activities. I hope one of us can send this message to VHP Bharat office. We all need to work hard to build VHP image. As David Frowley said in modern days media plays a very important role in our lives. We can not ignore them and we have to work with them to change them. Simply complaing and not doing any work will not help. Recently Pramila Taiji visited IA office in Chicago. She has good opinion about IA workers in Chicago. She got a good coverage in last week issue. Vijay Pallod _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From BGajjar@aol.com Sun May 24 11:08:15 1998 From: BGajjar Message-ID: <52b04010.356837b5@aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 11:07:31 EDT To: vhpgc-l@HINDUNET.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: VHP picture in India Abroad. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namashkar !! I like to put my to cents. I know India Abrod well . Thay are anti -Hindu organiztion.Nothing wrong in trying to improving them. Bharat J. Gajjar _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Sun May 24 12:20:46 1998 Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 08:12:09 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Discussion on Doordarshan on Hussain --today-- Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Namaskar, Doordarshan, as you may know is available through web from http://www.meadev.gov.in regareds, ajay ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Tarun Vijay Subject: Discussion on Doordarshan on Hussain --today--- Dear Bandhuvar Namaskar. A discussion on Hussain's paintings(Sita naked and Saraswati ) and attack on his paintings by Bajarang Dal group is being broadcast on Doordarshan channel 1 today and 9.50 IST. The participants are Dileep Padgaonkar, Director, Times Of India,Tarun Vijay, Editor Panchjanya, Ira Pande a Leftist author and Suneet Chopra, a Marxist art critic. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From shahajay@yahoo.com Sun May 24 21:29:08 1998 Message-ID: <19980525012751.4132.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com> Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 18:27:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Ajay Shah Subject: Re: VHP picture in India Abroad. To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Cc: Dinesh Agrawal , Starpipe2@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Vijaybhai, As you know, we basically agree with each other on PR related issues. I respect the tremendous amount of effort you put in for PR. On this issue, however, I do not agree with you on several of the points you have made. I do not believe that any of the disagreement with you or with the others you have mentioned is because of "generation" or any other reasons. It is primarily because I have been personally involved in efforts against Indian progressive, i.e., communists and pseudoseculars and PR related to that since my very early student days. I have even attended conferences of SFI (CPI-Marxists student union) as a ABVP worker, and sat in several inter-organizational meetings where 8-10 of the "progressive" groups were represented. Also, one of my primary task was PR, and especially PR with "progressive" newspapers such as India Abroad. > > 2. As Pradeepji said no point blaming media when our workers gets involved in > such activities. In Bharat we have BJP, ABVP, Bajrangdal, and many others. > Let them do such activites. Why VHP should get involved. When > we get active in such things we get blamed as fundamentalist,....... I am still not sure why you or Pradeepji are balming "our" workers. I am especially concerned when you say BJP, ABVP, Bajrangdal can do such activities but not VHP. Why not VHP? Is a Hindu mass movement to stay above fray when it comes to Indian national issues? As far as I know, this is not the charter of VHP. VHP-B can indeed get involved in protesting Pakistan, at least as much as ABVP or Bajarang Dal or BJP can. Is your concern the effect on VHP-B's action on VHP-A? In that case you have raised a completely different issue. First, you cannot exect VHP-A actions to be governed by the effect these actions will have on VHP-A. Second, if you are indeed concerned about such effect, then you ought to propose that VHP-A adopted policies and perhaps a name that will, at least in public differentiate it self from VHP-B. But do not blame VHP-B for doing what it has in the Indian context. > > 3. When media or India Abroad does good job we keep quite we do not > complement them. When they do one mistake or bad report at us we jump at them. > This is not good public relation. When India abroad wrote a good and balanced > story abut RSS and VHP how many of us replied. If we did not complement them > when they wrote a story in our favour then we have no point to complain about > one purticular event. > I do not think that this is an issue. IA has been consistenly anti-Hindu. I remember a cut-and-paste job they did in printing something from Hindu Vishwa when I was the editor. They have spared no effort in criticizing us. If in one story, they do a moderately good job (mind you, not an excellent job, but just even treatment), we need not bend over backwards in praising them. > 4. If we are serious about improving the relation with media. We need to do > what > Dineshji Agrwal (OFBJP President ) has been doing. They have sent a > delegation to New York Times and Wall Street Journal and had a very fruitful > meeting. Point well taken. If we have time, we must strive in developing long term relations with the media. At the same time, our actions need not be always dictated by media or the poll. Remember we are not a political party, we can do what is morally correct. > > 5. I used to hear complains in Houston from many of our workers that IA do not > give good coverage about Sangh activities. We have takes this as a challenge > to change them. By working with them in past two years, we got an excellent > coverage about Houston activities. Some press releases being printed is not an indication of their changed heart. I would like to see some editorials in IA which praise our work. At least some OpEd articles. > > I hope one of us can send this message to VHP Bharat office. We all need to > work hard to build VHP image. As David Frowley said in modern days media plays > a very important role in our lives. We can not ignore them and we have to > work with them to change them. Simply complaing and not doing any work will Again, this is not an issue. I would like to see some proposals from VHP-A GC, to find a long term solution to insulate VHP-A from a random picture/news item here and there (even though in past I have not favored it) > not help. Recently Pramila Taiji visited IA office in Chicago. She has good > opinion about IA workers in Chicago. She got a good coverage in last week > issue. Again, it is not one reporter we are talking about. It is the IA editors/owners that is the problem. In summary, it does us no harm to be vigilant against the best selling Indian newspaper in USA. regards, ajay _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From YLakra@aol.com Mon May 25 19:44:05 1998 From: YLakra Message-ID: <87227c55.356a0125@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 19:39:15 EDT To: vhpgc-l@Hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Letter from the President Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 86 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Dear GC members, namaskar. The response to my letter of last seek has been less than satisfactory. Although whatever response I got was very useful, thoughtful informative. The governing council of VHP of America is the supreme decision making body. The members who took the responsibility of being the member of this body should realize the importance of this position. Their input in all the decisions, which will govern the direction in which the prganization will proceed or not proceed, is needed. Therefore, it will be encouraging if we participate in this discussion. I know from personal experience as to how difficult it is to sit down and write your views and ideas in a cogent form. Unless we try we will not succeed. As promissed, here are my views about a national conference to be held in year 2001. 1. Holding the conference in 2001will give us ample lead time to prepare for the conference. 2. The place of the meeting will depend upon the strength and dependability of the host chapter. Houston, Detroit, Massachussets and Southern California come to mind right away. Of course it can be decided later. 3. The proposed theme of the conference: "Challenges and Opportunities for Hindus in America." 4. The format: there are two possibilities: (a) In the last GC meeting we decided to establish a Dharma Sansad consisting of various Hindu religious leaders, Gurus and Dharmacharyas who have established a base or following in this country. This idea will soon be a reality. I propose that a Hindu conference be held under the guidance of the Dharma Sandad. This will help us make it a broad based Hindu conference where we can show case various sects of Hinduism and also project a unified image of Hinduism at one paltform. (b) The second proposal is to hold a Hindu conference with joint efforts of all the organizations of the Sangha Parivar such as VHP, HSS, HSC, FISI and OFBJP etc. As proposed by HSS, Ma. Raju Bhaiya, sarsanghachalak of RSS could be the chief guest of this conference. These are just proposals and I invite and welcome opinions and critique of thses suggestions or send your own proposal. Ajay Shah very rightly wrote in his letter that instead of holding a national conference we should strive to make our organization strong by holding more BalVihars, youth and family camps etc. But this should not be either or situation. We have to work simultaneously on both the projects. One will strengthen the other. If we wait till we have certain numbers of Balvihars and youth camps etc. to hold a national conference, we may never be able to hold one. There should not be any misconception that holding a national conference will need firm resolve, human and monetary resources, personal sacrifices and efforts. I hope this letter has raised enough controversies, expectations and excitement to make you send your views sooner than later. Hoping to hear from you. Yash Pal Lakra. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From srtiwari@hotmail.com Mon May 25 22:34:31 1998 Message-ID: <19980526023358.17689.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [170.140.250.227] From: "shyam tiwari" To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Discussion on Doordarshan on Hussain --today-- Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 19:33:58 PDT X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Namaste, Ajayji I looked at the Doordarshan site and found very disappointing information about history of Bharat. There is correct information on Indus valley civilization but without any mention of the modern findings and continuity of the civilization has conveniently been ignored. 'Aryan invasion' kind of thing still is being propgated. Rigveda is suppoed to have been written accoring to Max Mueller's theory. So all our origin is still being attributed to foreign invasion or migration. Shyam Tiwari >From ghen@www10.clever.net Sun May 24 09:21:55 1998 >Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) id MAA25805; Sun, 24 May 1998 12:20:52 -0400 (EDT) >Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 08:12:09 -0700 (MST) >From: Ajay Shah >To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >Subject: Discussion on Doordarshan on Hussain --today-- >Message-Id: >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Namaskar, > >Doordarshan, as you may know is available through web from > >http://www.meadev.gov.in > >regareds, > >ajay > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >From: Tarun Vijay >Subject: Discussion on Doordarshan on Hussain --today--- > >Dear Bandhuvar >Namaskar. A discussion on Hussain's paintings(Sita naked and Saraswati ) >and attack on his paintings by Bajarang Dal group is being broadcast on >Doordarshan channel 1 today and 9.50 IST. The participants are Dileep >Padgaonkar, Director, Times Of India,Tarun Vijay, Editor Panchjanya, >Ira Pande a Leftist author and Suneet Chopra, a Marxist art critic. > > > > >_____________________________ >For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From srtiwari@hotmail.com Mon May 25 22:57:24 1998 Message-ID: <19980526025653.26431.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [170.140.250.227] From: "shyam tiwari" To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: VHP picture in India Abroad. Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 19:56:52 PDT X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Namaste, I agree with you on some of the points except where it comes to identifying VHP with the media people. I think we have to work in pro-active manner and take things at face value but be careful enough to maintain distance. We have to focus on our work without being guided by the coverage in media. Many times, as it happens in US alot where media people project their own views in such a way that it would look like as if following their direction would be the right thing to do. So indirectly they start influencing our objectives and want organizations to behave or cater to their view of the truth which may be against the very principle on which an organization is founded on. I think what effectively lacks today in the context of media coverage of VHP is positive projection of our actions. Informing the media before/after we take certain actions ourselves rather tahn waiting for them can remove lot of these. Lack of information leads to misinformation. After following this practice initially, things can change for better because that would leave no room for misinformation or wrong speculation. Shyam Tiwari >From ghen@www10.clever.net Sun May 24 07:42:55 1998 >Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) id KAA18472; Sun, 24 May 1998 10:42:36 -0400 (EDT) >From: Pallod >Message-ID: <93a26dee.356831ad@aol.com> >Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 10:41:47 EDT >To: VHPGC-L@hindunet.org >Cc: dxa4@psu.edu (Dinesh Agrawal), Starpipe2@aol.com >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Subject: VHP picture in India Abroad. >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 >X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > >Namshkar, >I have read everyones opinion.. Yesterday I had a long talk with Sonal Shah >who >comes from new generation. I also discussed with Pradeep Goyal who is son >BJP treasurer. I would like to make following points. > >1. Some of us making statements without knowing all the facts. IA has printed >last week picture of Pakisthani burning Indian flag. They also printed picture >of Jamet-e-Islam rally. IA printed picture from both sides not one side. > >2. As Pradeepji said no point blaming media when our workers gets involved in >such activities. In Bharat we have BJP, ABVP, Bajrangdal, and many others. >Let them do such activites. Why VHP should get involved. When >we get active in such things we get blamed as fundamentalist,....... > >3. When media or India Abroad does good job we keep quite we do not >complement them. When they do one mistake or bad report at us we jump at them. >This is not good public relation. When India abroad wrote a good and balanced >story abut RSS and VHP how many of us replied. If we did not complement them >when they wrote a story in our favour then we have no point to complain about >one purticular event. > >4. If we are serious about improving the relation with media. We need to do >what >Dineshji Agrwal (OFBJP President ) has been doing. They have sent a >delegation to New York Times and Wall Street Journal and had a very fruitful >meeting. > >5. I used to hear complains in Houston from many of our workers that IA do not >give good coverage about Sangh activities. We have takes this as a challenge >to change them. By working with them in past two years, we got an excellent >coverage about Houston activities. > >I hope one of us can send this message to VHP Bharat office. We all need to >work hard to build VHP image. As David Frowley said in modern days media plays >a very important role in our lives. We can not ignore them and we have to >work with them to change them. Simply complaing and not doing any work will >not help. Recently Pramila Taiji visited IA office in Chicago. She has good >opinion about IA workers in Chicago. She got a good coverage in last week >issue. > >Vijay Pallod > >_____________________________ >For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From shahajay@yahoo.com Tue May 26 04:13:55 1998 Message-ID: <19980526080848.28766.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 01:08:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Ajay Shah Subject: Re: Letter from the President To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Namaskar Lakraji Thank you very much for the very informative message. I am certain that quite a bit of talk and planning went into the proposal for the year 2001 conference. I would like to comment upon the paragraph from your message that you sent and I have appended it below. While you mention that we need to strive to make the organization stronger at the grass roots level, you have not mentioned any concrete steps that VHP-A *will* be taking before the conference to strengthen the organization. Also, I urge you to comment upon the other proposal that I have made in the past, i.e., having at least one full time worker for VHP-A. While we have been saying that the bal vihars, youth can family camps, PR etc. activities should simultaneously proceed with the conference planning, with the limited resources we have, I would suggest that we have a more detailed proposal as to how exactly these activities will proceed simultaneously. I find your statement : > If we wait till we have certain numbers of > Balvihars and youth camps etc. to hold a national > conference, we may never be > able to hold one. especially troubling. This actually leads to a larger issue of where VHP-A is headed. I had raised this question a couple of years ago in the EB meeting. And I raise it again now. What are the priorities of VHP-A? Where does this program fit in our priorities? Please do not consider my comments to be negative. I definitely see gains in doing a mass action item. Nor am I concerned about sacrifices etc. that you mention on the part of GC members. Only that I would like to understand a cost benefit analysis (that you must have performed) as to how and why a large scale program will be of advantage to VHP-A compared to strengthening the existing projects. regards, ajay > Ajay Shah very rightly wrote in his letter that instead of holding > a national conference we should strive to make our organization strong by > holding more BalVihars, youth and family camps etc. But this should not be > either or situation. We have to work simultaneously on both the projects. One > will strengthen the other. If we wait till we have certain numbers of > Balvihars and youth camps etc. to hold a national conference, we may never be > able to hold one. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From abhaya@cbgw1.lucent.com Tue May 26 08:19:58 1998 Message-Id: <356AB304.C95B8934@lucent.com> Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 08:18:12 -0400 From: "abhaya asthana, 978-960-4273" Organization: Bell Labs, Lucent Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: VHP picture in India Abroad. References: <52b04010.356837b5@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Bharat Bhai, Namaste, Good to hear from you. You are now on-line. Please keep sharing your ideas and views with all of us. abhaya --- BGajjar wrote: > > Namashkar !! > I like to put my to cents. > > I know India Abrod well . Thay are anti -Hindu organiztion.Nothing wrong > in trying to improving them. > Bharat J. Gajjar > > _____________________________ > For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Fri May 29 18:29:51 1998 Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 14:21:07 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Hindu Universe Interactive Debuts Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Namaskar, I am glad to announce that the long awaited Hindu Universe Interactive has finally debuted on The Hindu Universe. Hindu Universe Interactive is the largest collection of moderated Hindu dharma related forums. Hindu Universe Interactive may be accessed from http://www.hindunet.org/forum/ Two of our popular existing forums, Mandir Manthan and What is Meant to be a Hindu (hosted by Shree Bansi Pandit) have also been incorporated in Hindu Universe Interactive. In addition to these web based forums, we also offer the archives of Soc.Religion.Hindu and Alt.Hindu newsgroups. We also features links to relevent other newsgroups and mailing lists. To access Hindu Universe : http://www.hindunet.org The Hindu Universe is a premier site on Hindu dharma, with well over 15,000 documents and complete text of 75 books. Hindu Universe is a service of Global Hindu Electronic Networks, a project of Hindu Students Council (http://www.hindunet.org/hsc/) regards, ajay _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Pallod@aol.com Sat May 30 09:40:00 1998 From: Pallod@aol.com Message-ID: <32265f60.35700c0d@aol.com> Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 09:39:24 EDT To: VHPGC-L@HINDUNET.ORG Cc: hsc-family@HINDUNET.ORG, hrinfo@stallion.jsums.edu, arunachalashiva@yahoo.com (SWAMI MURUGANANDA) Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Fwd: Pak radio in Houston Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_896535564_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_896535564_boundary Content-ID: <0_896535564@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Namashkar, Pakishthani Media has been very active and strong in Houston( Well equiped and financed). Lately they are very active on Radio programs and giving lots of misinformation. India Herlald reporter covered this news on Front page. Just to give one example. They claim with western media there are more Pakisthanis than Indians. Which is not true.They have made it as Hindu and Muslim issue. Last week we had our own radio talk show. I will send the report in few days. I would like to see other Indian papers write story on this issue. I strongly beleive that we hindus should not keep quite and reply them. One more request if you like the article please send the comments to India Herald at Kumar@flash.net ( I admire his guts) Please send me a copy also. Vijay Pallod --part0_896535564_boundary Content-ID: <0_896535564@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from relay13.mx.aol.com (relay13.mail.aol.com [172.31.109.13]) by air13.mail.aol.com (v43.20) with SMTP; Fri, 29 May 1998 12:33:57 -0400 Received: from endeavor.flash.net (endeavor.flash.net [209.30.0.40]) by relay13.mx.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id MAA16370 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 12:33:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kumar.flash.net (houasc31-45.flash.net [209.30.71.45]) by endeavor.flash.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA25072 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 11:33:54 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <356EE3A7.43CE@flash.net> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 11:34:47 -0500 From: seshadri kumar Reply-To: kumar@flash.net Organization: India Herald X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-FlashNet (Win95; U) To: pallod@aol.com Subject: Pak radio in Houston Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit By A Correspondent The anti-Indian tirade by some misguided Pakistanis in Houston has reached a crescendo. Pakistani radio programs from Houston perhaps outdo even the official Radio Pakistan or the extreme India bashers living in Pakistan. How else can one describe the outrageous insinuations heaped on India by the hosts, the callers and the guests in the local radio shows? If you listen to Young Tarang, for example, the picture of India you get is that of men and women selling their kidneys and blood to make a living, all roads and footpaths strewn with starving men, women and children and worst of all, women in Bihar, Orissa and Tamil Nadu selling their bodies for a plate of rice. For a moment, don't think these Pakistanis are moved by the sufferings of fellow human beings. They believe they are exposing India for conducting the nuclear tests. Their outrage appears so intense as if the bombs have already been dropped on Pakistan whereas the bombs are meant only to be ``deterrants'' and not for actual use as weapons. No one can question the legitimacy of the Pakistani community in Houston expressing its concerns over the developments in India, if they genuinely address the issue at hand. The nuclear tests and the pressure the tests have placed on Pakistan is certainly a matter of grave concern to the Pakistanis. The debate can be on how to neutralize the perceived threats from India. The local Pakistani community can drum up support in the Clinton administration. But, what purpose is served by calling Indians names over the airwaves which barely cross the boundaries of Greater Houston? Educating the community may be the answer. What education will the Pakistanis get, other than going to India to buy a kidney, a pint of blood or flesh, for that matter? The callers and the radio hosts encourage Pakistanis to support Pakistani businesses and boycott Indian businesses. Such a campaign has been on the air for quite sometime, but no Indian business has been shut down by the mighty Pakistani boycott in Houston. Just to highlight the ludicrous nature of such calls, here is an example. Radio Sangeet, a Pakistani program which is airing provative comments against India simultaneously broadcasts Indian film songs! A known Pakistani is exhibiting Indian movies in Houston. If Pakistanis are supposed to boycott Indian movies, will they hurt a fellow Pakistani or the Indian film industry? The same radio program which spreads such anti-Indian venom, does benefit from Indian businesses by way of advertisements. Incidentally, that station advertises Indian films, exhibited by an Indian business group. Again, a number of Pakistani businesses, including the office of the Pakistan Association of Greater Houston is housed in a shopping strip owned by an Indian. He is a Muslim from India. Will Pakistanis boycott Indian Muslim businesses as well? So much for business boycott. The president of PAGH has been repeating the words "Hindu bombs" as if he is the ultimate authority on judging the religion of bombs. As a president of a community organization, one would expect some decency and cogency in his arguments. Why should India be ashamed of its bombs and who is he to decide India's budget priorities? The height of the joke is that the Pakistanis are now uttering the name of Mahatma Gandhi more than anybody else. India has to learn the meaning of nonviolence, propounded by the Mahtama, through the words of the self-appointed apostles of peace living in Houston. Just as India chose to be a "secular" state, it is being held to a different standard than the Islamic Pakistan, because of Mahatma Gandhi, should India give up all its weapons, show its other cheek to the Pakistanis to slap. Nonviolence means not to cause harm to others and it is not the same as tolerating attacks, according to a school of thought. The Pakistani radio shows, like the western media, take selectively some statements and go on trashing India. The moratorium announced by India on future tests and the "no first use" commitment are totally ignored. If they take India in any other way, the staple diet for bashing India will disappear. In keeping with the tone of the debate, a Pakistani religious commentator gives a call for "United States of Islam" to counter the threat posed by a kafir state like India. The Pakistanis in Houston do not seem to understand that the nuclear tests by India cannot be merely described as an act against Pakistan. The reaction of Pakistan is only a small side show, while India is grappling with the damage control process around the world, especially in the U.S., Europe and China. In contrast, the Indian communities' reaction in Houston has not sunk to such a base level. Despite some Hindu firebrands being active in the Indian community, they do not get the microphone to spread any anti-Muslim slogans. Even the panel discussion last weekend on radio Jhankar did not transform the discussion into a religious or anti-Pakistan debate. Interestingly many Pakistanis called in the show and the Indian panelists did not lose their cool. Perhaps, that is a telling commentary on the Indian psyche. Moderation and accommodation have been the hallmarks of Indian society which have come to be mistaken for weakness. Precisely, the nuclear tests are meant to dispel that perception. The Indian and Pakistani communities in Houston, while maintaining their respective interests, can live amicably, without hurting each others sentiments. All the noises made here will not make any difference to the real life situation between India and Pakistan. It is futile to waste one's energy in stoking mutual hatred in the name of educating the community in Houston. Also, many Indians and Pakistanis in Houston work together and live in the same neighborhood. Creating ill-feelings among them, in the name of freedom of expression, is deplorable. --part0_896535564_boundary-- _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From srtiwari@hotmail.com Mon Jun 1 23:23:33 1998 Message-ID: <19980602032302.22220.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [170.140.250.202] From: "shyam tiwari" To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Earthquake in Afganistan Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 20:23:02 PDT X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Namaste, I am not a civil engineer or a seismologist but the moment I read the news of earthquake in Afganistan it struck to my mind that may be it is related to the nuclear test which Pakistan conducted at a site near a fault line. If it turns out to be true then this could have disasterous consequence on Afganistan and Pakistan relations. I got a call from someone who happens to have talked to an American civil engineer and the opinion is same. I just wanted to share my view and any of you find more technical detail about it please do share. Regards Shyam Tiwari ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Wed Jun 3 21:18:15 1998 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:09:27 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Hindu Universe - Best of the Web Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Hindu Universee, flagship site of Global Hindu Electronic Networks has won yet another distinction. Yahoo! Internet Life has a current feature "God Online" : http://www.zdnet.com/yil/content/mag/9804/godonline.html which appeared on the April issue of the magazine. In this section, a subsection "The Good Bookmarks" lists the best religious sites on the web. http://www.zdnet.com/yil/content/mag/9804/godbookmarks.html There are 2 sites each for all the sects of Christianity, 4 sites on Islam, 3 on Buddhism and Four on Judaism, and ONE on Hindu dharma. Any guess what site got picked? It was the Hindu Universe (http://www.hindunet.org) So once again, Kudos! to all those who have contributed to the development and propagation of the Hindu Universe. regards, ajay _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Wed Jun 3 21:18:50 1998 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:10:01 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: FreeIndia Rated High by Webmagazine Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here is a review of our FreeIndia site as published by Webmagazine in January 1998 (I just saw it today) Title: FREE INDIA Section: POLITICS Subsection: GLOBAL POLITICS Issue: JAN98 Review: The remarkable history of India's struggle for sovereignty against British colonialism could teach more than a few bellicose would-be statesmen a thing or two about solving seemingly intractable problems in strife-torn places like the Middle East. Browsing through Free India's extensive news clips, slide shows, and research papers, you'll also encounter evidence of how far India has progressed since Gandhi led his nation's fight for liberation. Every once in a while, David does beat Goliath. Content: 5 Design: 4 Links: 5 Overall: 4 ----- While our overall rating was 4 out of 5, in two out of three categories we scored a full five! Thanks to all those who worked on FreeIndia.Org, India's site on education and current affairs. -ajay _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From srtiwari@hotmail.com Wed Jun 3 23:09:01 1998 Message-ID: <19980604030821.223.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [170.140.251.173] From: "shyam tiwari" To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Earthquake in Afghanistan- view of US Geological Survey Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 20:08:21 PDT X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Namaste, I did find answer to the speculation, expressed in earlier mail. In todays Atlanta Journal Constitution an American had the same question and according to Waverly Person of the US Geological Survey "There is no relationship whatsoever". Regards Shyam Tiwari ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From srtiwari@hotmail.com Wed Jun 3 23:28:31 1998 Message-ID: <19980604032801.1058.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [170.140.251.173] From: "shyam tiwari" To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Afghanistan - Article from Times of India Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 20:28:00 PDT X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 `Pakistan test triggered quake in Afghanistan' NEW DELHI: The May 30 earthquake in Afghanistan which killed nearly 5,000 people was most likely triggered by Pakistan's nuclear tests, Janarthan Negi, scientist emeritus at the National Geophysical Research Institute (NGRI) in Hyderabad, has said. The US geological survey described the epicentre at 37.21 degrees north and 69.93 degrees east. The same Rastak area of north- east Afghanistan had already become tectonically unstable by an earthquake of 6.1 magnitude on the Richter scale on February 4, 1998 killing more than 5,000 people, Mr Negi said. ``This earthquake after the Pakistan explosion has clearly demonstrated that underground nuclear explosions in a sensitive area can trigger the highest magnitude natural earthquake in the system'', Mr Negi said. He said the fact that nuclear explosions could trigger natural earthquakes in the Chaman fault system in the Hindukush Pamir block was already known to Chinese, American and Russian scientists. Pakistani tests should not have been carried out in the Chagai hills area, he added. Quoting published information by North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO) in 1995, Mr Negi said 80 per cent of the 272 nuclear explosions carried out by the Russians between 1963 and 1986 in the ``semi-palatinsk'' area (50 degrees north and 72 degrees east), were followed by earthquakes of magnitude greater than 3.4 on the Richter scale. The block where the earthquake occurred was found to be extremely sensitive to Russian underground tests conducted 1,400 km away. The Pakistani test site was only 700 km away and its influence could have been greater, Mr Negi said. He said in the case of Russian tests, quakes followed after five to 10 days and again after 15 to 30 days. Mr Negi did not rule out another earthquake in the same region in the next few days. Mr Negi said the Afghan earthquake ``is a unique example of an extremely devastating environmental effect due of underground nuclear explosions whose body- wave had caused the triggering effect.'' According to him, the phenomena of remote triggering of earthquakes have been recorded scientifically after the Landers earthquake of June 20, 1992 in California which triggered earth tremors thousand kilometres away several days after. ``Such active triggering can be explained by a slow propagating creep-like inducing stress-wave packet at the crust-mantle boundary like a wave-guide'', he said.(PTI) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From gulaniu@pacbell.net Sun Jun 7 16:18:49 1998 Message-ID: <357AF4EF.3BFF@pacbell.net> Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 13:15:43 -0700 From: Uma Gulaniu X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: EB meeting References: <1e86a360.355f7ce9@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org YLakra wrote: > > Dear GC members, regards and namaskar from Yash Pal Lakra. Even after > promisses I have not communicated with you as often as I wanted to or is > necessary. We are a national organization and this nation is very big. > Physically, we are located far apart and there are not many opportunities to > come togetherto feel like a cohesive group or a family. Communication at a > regular interval is the cecond best way to achieve this objective. Internet > and E-mail have provided us an opportunity to do just that. But one way > communication is not communication. It is just a monologue and does not create > the feeling of being part of afamily. I hope all will use medium to achieve > this objective. > The EB of VHP of America met on May 9and 10 in Connecticut and > reviewed our status and chartered our future course. You will get the full > report from Sh. Abhay Asthana, our joing general secretary. Amongst the future > programs and grojects we discussed was holding a Hindu conference in year > 2001. If we want to exist as a national organization, we have to have periodic > national events. Organizing national events takes imagination, planning and > efforts. I am writing this letter to ask your suggestions and opinions about > this. The questions which need to be answered are: > 1. The main theme of the event. > 2. The format of the meeting. > 3. Topics etc. to be disscussed. > 4. Names of the chief guest and other speakers. > 5. Location. > 6. Exact time of the conference. > The information and suggestions provided by the members of the GC > will be quite helpful in making the final decision. I have my views about all > the above mentioned questions. I will write those to all of you in my > communication to you after I receive your responses. > Even if you do not have any suggestion, please acknowledge this > letter. If majority of members do not acknowledge, it could mean that they do > not have access to E-mail or they did not care to answer. If the response is > poor, I will communicate with via "snail mail". If you see this e-mail on your > computer screen, please take a few moments and acknowledge the mail. > > Brotherly, > Yash Pal Lakra. > > _____________________________ > For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.orgLakra Ji, I know it is very late. I am responding because I take your threat about using the Snail Mail very seriously. I will try to bring up the issue in our next meeting. With Warm Regards, Uma Gulani _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From cbando@mail1.dac.neu.edu Mon Jun 8 12:51:52 1998 From: Chandan Bandopadhyay Message-Id: <199806081651.MAA29472@lynx01.dac.neu.edu> Subject: Islamic Havoc in Hydarabad : Change the name first of that city..... (fwd) To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:51:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From: vidyanand.kale@bankerstrust.com To: hsc-talk@hindunet.org Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:49:49 -0400 Subject: Islamic Havoc in Hydarabad : Change the name first of that city..... Source: IPB, June 6, 1998 Title: Muslim fundamentalists start riots in Old City & destroy a 400 year old Mahakali Temple, approximately 32 Hindus injured and killed in the ensuing violence, buses set ablaze Place: Hyderabad, India Thirty two Hindus were injured and killed including three in stabbing incidents as they were mercilessly persecuted by Muslims in the Old City on Friday. A temple was destroyed and extensive damage caused to both public and private properties as frenzied Muslims indulged in large-scale violence immediately after their Friday prayers. Police opened six rounds of fire in the air and resorted to lathi-charge several times to quell the frenzied Muslims. Two city legislators Asaduddin Owaisi and Mumtaz Ahmed Khan and former MLA Syed Sajjad were also arrested for their alleged involvement in the violence, police said, adding that the situation was brought under control by the evening. The Muslim mob set to fire and destroyed 28 buses. The 400-year-old Mahankali Amma idol at the Akkanna Madanna temple at Hari Bowli, Moghalpura was totally destroyed. Three shops belonging to Hindus were set on fire, while a petrol pump was ransacked in Charminar area. The Muslims claim that the violence, which broke out around 1.45 pm after their weekly Friday namaz at the Macca Masjid, was provoked by some pamphlets depicting Lord Ganesha and a mosque. Copies of the pamphlet found by some Muslim youths were circulated among the congregation at Macca Masjid. According to the Muslim community the harmless depiction in the pamphlets were provocative. A 500-strong blood thirsty Muslim mob came out of the masjid and ran amuck, setting fire to 14 RTC buses besides damaging 14 other buses in the adjacent Charminar bus station. The heavily-armed contingent of armed police comprising at least three platoons which was stationed near the masjid in view of the anticipated violence proved no match for the frenzied followers of Allah which ran into the lanes and by-lanes carrying swords, lathis and iron rods. The Muslims which ran in different directions accosted Hindus after identifying them through their names and attacked them with knives, rods and granite stones. The violent Muslim mob went about attacking passers-by after identifying their community. A BHEL employee Anjaiah and his son Kaveen who were returning home in a scooter were waylaid and stabbed repeatedly and mercilessly. Both of them admitted to the Osmania General Hospital. Another person identified as Chandrashekar, who was stabbed near Charminar, was admitted at the Nizam`s Institute of Medical Sciences (NIMS), police said. At Moghulpura, a violent mob of Muslims attacked a petrol bunk and smashed the glass panes while another group set fire to a wine shop and a cycle spare parts store and a provision store on the road leading to Hari Bowli. All the three shops were totally gutted. Even as this was going on about 50 Muslim fundamentalists barged into the Mahankali Amma temple at Hari Bowli after breaking open the steel grills, police said, adding that they removed the idol of the goddess with the help of crowbars and smashed it to pieces. Before escaping, the Muslim culprits conforming to their traditional values also looted 10 tolas of gold oranments, a silver idol of the goddess besides five tolas of silver ornaments, all worth Rs one lakh, said G Niranjan, former city corporator and member of the temple committee. As news of the violence spread like wild fire, businessmen downed their shutters in the old city areas of Shalibanda, Moghalpura, Charminar and Madina. For nearly three hours, police diverted the traffic proceeding from Nayapul to the old city via the High Court road after placing road blocks on the Madina-Charminar route. Home Minister A Madhav Reddy, City Police Commissioner R P Singh, joint commissioners Gopinath Reddy and Mazharuddin and several other senior officials rushed to the spot after violence broke out. A dozen platoons of the city police besides personnel drawn from the Rapid Action Force, Andhra Pradesh Special Police and the city guards were deployed at the spot in view of the tense situation. The city was agog with rumours that curfew had been clamped in the old city, but senior police officials scotched the rumours, stating that the situation did not warrant it`s imposition. Source: IPB, June 6, 1998 Title: Islamic madness: The innocent Hindus fall victim Place: Hyderabad, India It was mostly the innocent Hindus attending to their daily chores who fell victim to blood thirsty Muslim mobs moving around in a merciless exhibition of frenzy. A poor auto driver, an unassuming housewife or a student, nothing seemed to matter for the Muslims so long as they could give vent to their ire. A Swastika sticker proved costly for Ram Nivas, an auto driver who oblivious of the frenzied Muslim mob ventured along the Khilwat road. On seeing the Swastika and a picture of Shirdi Sai Baba in the auto, a rampaging gang pulled me out and after hitting me with rods tried to smash my head with a granite, whispers Nivas from his bed in the Osmania Hospital. The celebrations of a recent promotion for Anjaiah, a BHEL employee, was short-lived, when he was attacked while returning along with his son Kaveen, an intermediate student, near Charminar. The Muslim miscreants chopped off his ears for a golden ear ring while the son was repeatedly and mercilessly stabbed, four times in the chest and twice in the back. We were going to our house at Shalibanda, when a Muslim mob suddenly charged and attacked us after asking our names, recounts the teenager. Pleadings and tears failed to deter the Muslims which charged for blood, narrates Suresh, an employee of Sports Authority of Andhra Pradesh who was returning home in an auto was another such innocent victim. I do not know why they were fighting, he said adding that nobody was in a mood to listen to him even as they punched, kicked and later hit with a granite stone. A bindi on the forehead was what invited trouble for Hema Latha waiting for a bus at Charminar bus stop. On seeing me, the Muslims charged and beat me up, she cries inconsolably. Even the Minister for Health N Janardhan Reddy who was said to be present in the old city when people were attacked and buses put on fire. According to a city Congress Party leader S Panduranga Rao, the minister who came to the old city for attending a private function rushed to Chatrinaka Police Station seeking refugee there. Chandan cbando@lynx.neu.edu **************************************************************************** * "This life is short, the vanities of the world are transient, but they * * alone live who live for others, the rest are more dead than alive" * * - Vishwa Vivek * **************************************************************************** _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From AAgarwala@aol.com Wed Jun 10 17:42:28 1998 From: AAgarwala@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 17:42:16 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: EB meeting Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Dear Yashpal Ji, Recd your email. My suggestion for Chief Guest for the event would be PP. Prof. Rajendra Singh, Sar sanghchalak RSS. It will be a great way to start new millenium. Other points I will try to respond soon. Thanks Anand _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From YLakra@aol.com Wed Jun 10 22:33:08 1998 From: YLakra@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 22:32:33 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: EB meeting Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 86 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org thanks for the reply. Please keep on communicating. Yash. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From gulaniu@pacbell.net Sun Jun 14 14:45:47 1998 Message-ID: <358419AB.765A@pacbell.net> Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 11:42:51 -0700 From: Uma Gulaniu X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Letter from the President References: <87227c55.356a0125@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org YLakra wrote: > > Dear GC members, namaskar. The response to my letter of last seek has been > less than satisfactory. Although whatever response I got was very useful, > thoughtful informative. > The governing council of VHP of America is the supreme decision making > body. The members who took the responsibility of being the member of this body > should realize the importance of this position. Their input in all the > decisions, which will govern the direction in which the prganization will > proceed or not proceed, is needed. Therefore, it will be encouraging if we > participate in this discussion. I know from personal experience as to how > difficult it is to sit down and write your views and ideas in a cogent form. > Unless we try we will not succeed. > As promissed, here are my views about a national conference to be > held in year 2001. > 1. Holding the conference in 2001will give us ample lead time to prepare for > the conference. > 2. The place of the meeting will depend upon the strength and dependability of > the host chapter. Houston, Detroit, Massachussets and Southern California come > to mind right away. Of course it can be decided later. > 3. The proposed theme of the conference: "Challenges and Opportunities for > Hindus in America." > 4. The format: there are two possibilities: > (a) In the last GC meeting we decided to establish a Dharma Sansad > consisting of various Hindu religious leaders, Gurus and Dharmacharyas who > have established a base or following in this country. This idea will soon be a > reality. I propose that a Hindu conference be held under the guidance of the > Dharma Sandad. This will help us make it a broad based Hindu conference where > we can show case various sects of Hinduism and also project a unified image > of Hinduism at one paltform. > (b) The second proposal is to hold a Hindu conference with joint > efforts of all the organizations of the Sangha Parivar such as VHP, HSS, HSC, > FISI and OFBJP etc. As proposed by HSS, Ma. Raju Bhaiya, sarsanghachalak of > RSS could be the chief guest of this conference. > These are just proposals and I invite and welcome opinions and > critique of thses suggestions or send your own proposal. > Ajay Shah very rightly wrote in his letter that instead of holding > a national conference we should strive to make our organization strong by > holding more BalVihars, youth and family camps etc. But this should not be > either or situation. We have to work simultaneously on both the projects. One > will strengthen the other. If we wait till we have certain numbers of > Balvihars and youth camps etc. to hold a national conference, we may never be > able to hold one. > There should not be any misconception that holding a national > conference will need firm resolve, human and monetary resources, personal > sacrifices and efforts. > I hope this letter has raised enough controversies, expectations > and excitement to make you send your views sooner than later. > Hoping to hear from you. Yash Pal Lakra. > > > _____________________________ > For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Dear Yashpal Ji, I have been reading the comments about Proposed Hindu Conference in year 2001. It is very exciting idea but I tend to agree with Ajay Shah and Renu ji on this subject. It is very important to have strong VHP-A areas and a reasonable financial basis before we venture into any large scale national programs. I think to make the chapters strong we need seasoned VHP-A workers(atleast one in each area) with their heart still with VHP-A devoting full time to VHP. That is only possible if we have any seasoned workers recently retired or retiring soon and ready to devote full time to this work. In Southern California I don't see any one in this area in the near future. Actually many of the seasoned workers from this area are not involved with VHP-A anymore. Actually Southern California is not a strong chapter anymore. Few programs take place every year but very weak VHP influence in the area. Even from the Center VHP-A instead of gaining we have lost Anjali Bahen and Sushim Mukerji to VHP-Bhart. So we should have serious discussion about it Via E-mail and next GC meeting. With best wishes & warm regards. Uma Gulani _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From cbando@mail1.dac.neu.edu Mon Jun 15 15:32:18 1998 From: Chandan Bandopadhyay Message-Id: <199806151932.PAA30397@lynx01.dac.neu.edu> Subject: HSC-VHP Succesful Conference in Boston To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:32:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org namaste all, We are glad to say that we have succesfully organized a unique conference in Boston by greater VHP family. Here is the press release: regrards Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:15:36 -0400 From: Bal Ram Singh Youth Ready and Willing to Induct Time Tested Hindu Values in the Modern Society Boston, MA Hindu youths along with their families and friends from all over New England descended on the Northeastern University campus on June 6, to engage themselves in the soul searching process of not just charting their formative years but to form an assertive opinion on how to live and enlighten others to live a life that is positive, productive and peaceful. Flocks of families dressed up in colorful saries, salwar-kurta, frocks, dhotis, panjabi, sherwani, ghanghra, and other attires of Bharat entered the front gates of Curry Student Center, and gathered in the McLeod Suite for the inaugural session. The conference started with prayer mantras chanted by Sri Ramadheen Ramsamuj from New Hampshire. The conference was then introduced by Bal Ram Singh of University of Massachusetts. He shared his experience with the large audience about how challenging yet crucial it is to preserve our culture in America. The genesis of conference was explained as continuation of a long tradition of Hindu Youth conferences in the Northeastern United States over the past couple of decades. The New England Youth Conference at Northeastern University was organized by the Hindu Student Council, and sponsored by Vishwa Hindu Parishad, Jain Pathshala, Satsang, Hindu Swayamsevak Sangh, Maratha Mandal and Sadhu Vaswani Center. Youths received a rousing call on the 'need of the day' from Chandan Bandhopadhyay, Hindu Student Council. Bandhopadhyay enumerated his own struggles in the process of enlisting community involvement in the promotion of Hindu values, and proudly presented success stories of persistent pursuit of his goals. Jewels of the inaugural session were the keynote addresses by 15 year old Samir Asthana (Growing up in America as a Hindu), 14 year old Rashmi Singh (Hindu Dharma as a Spring Board to a Prosperous Future), and 20 year old Anup Sharma (Echoes of the Past: Voices of the Future). Samir's personal portrayal of daily dilemma for Hindu children in American middle and high schools was moving and admirable. "Practicing Hindu ideals at home helped me significantly in dealing with problems that affected me while interacting with my peers at school," said Samir, a high school sophomore. He continued - "it is about time that all Hindu youths should come together to express and share their views with each other in making a stronger Hindu youth network". Rashmi's inter-twining of social, moral, spiritual, political, material and family values to prosperity, all within the Hindu Dharma, lured the audience with optimism for a modern society enriched with eternal values. Anup Sharma's superb analysis in casting the ethoes of the past by acknowledging his inability to span them within his mental gauge was charming, and had direct and loud impact on the audience. "The way we can retain our culture in the 21st century is by not merely talking about it, but by practicing and knowing our culture from heart", said Anup Sharma, a sophomore at Brandeis University, The Chief guest, Swami Muruganand Saraswathi of The Arunachala Unique Mountain Trust, Thiruvanna Malai, Tamil Nadu, India, in his message assured Hindu youth that other cultures of the society will develop the highest respect for them if they practiced Hindu Dharma in their daily lives, thereby, becoming walking temples of Hindu thoughts and practices. He urged all youth to come together and rediscover the eternal truth of Sanatan Dharam "Today's youth is tomorrow's future. In order to have the youth confident about our heritage, parents should equally emphasize in educating their children about our great Samskriti," said the Swami. The inaugural session concluded with the Vande Matram chorus joined by all in attendance. The most exciting and deliberative events for the youth in the conference were the parallel sessions of discussions exclusively by children where no adults were present. Morning sessions tackled the issues on 'what is good about Hindu culture' (ages 8-11), 'significance of Hindu rituals' (ages 12-14), and 'portrayal of Hindu Dharma to the west'(ages 15-18). Swami Muruganada presented a mesmerizing session for adults on message from Gita to youth by describing the metaphysical values of vibrations generated by mantras, and by outlining ways to practice Dharma by living it, thus not requiring any extra time in a busy modern society. Afternoon sessions for youth included 'Famous Indian Child Heroes,' 'Social Responsibility and Indian Family,' 'Assimilation: Weaving of a Cultural Mosaic for the 21st Century,' and 'The Roles of Indian Women in Hindu Culture.' Children under age 8 had plenty of fun playing Indian games organized by Prashant Bhat and Atul Nagras. Ten year old Bhakti Mehta of Norwood, Mass., shared her experience with her peers on how proud she is of being a Hindu, in her talk 'What is good about Hindu Culture.' Janki Khatau of Southboro, Mass., discussed about the importance of family values in her talk 'Social Responsibility and Indian Family.' In the session 'Assimilation: Weaving a Cultural Mosaic for the 21st Century', students discussed various issues, such as, concerns with parental attitudes and biases, the importance of individuality and uniqueness of various cultures within the global culture. Ma. Pramila Taijji, of Rashtriya Sevika Samiti, addressed various issues that have affected Hindu Women worldwide. In her talk, "the Roles of Eminent Women in Hindu Culture," she pointed out that Hindu women have shining record of administrative efficiency and leadership while maintaining motherly touch in all their successful endeavors. She emphasized that family harmony must be an overriding factor in charting out roles of men and women in today's world. Some of the most exciting events in the conference were various live workshops, such as, Mehndi, Martial Art and Slides Show on India. Dr Prabhakar and Sabita Joshi from Ohio gave an excellent demonstration on Transcedental Meditation (TM). They expressed their satisfaction while commenting the eagerness of the participants in their sessions. "It was indeed worth attending the well organized and well participated conference," they said before they left from the conference. The concluding session of the conference also created a great enthusiasm among the youngsters. Aditi Garg, a high school junior from Salem NH, eloquently presented her thoughts on the topic, "The Value of Hindu Culture". She urged all youth to take up the challenge in wining over all obstacles they face in everyday life. Rahul Deshikant, a student at Boston University, emphasized how his life has been enriched by the thoughts of Swami Vivekananda. In his talk, "The Role of youth and the future of Hindu Society, he asked youths to take an oath to build a dynamic and vibrant Hindu society. The cultural show touched many people's heart as all young performers performed their magical performances in the show. "It was mind boggling!" exclaimed Rabindra Chatterjee a former student at Northeastern University, expressing his joy after watching Krishna's devotional dance by Shefali Asthana, a senior at MIT. Youths as well as parents had ecstatic reaction to the conference. Shirali Pandya, a freshman in Wellesley high school, expressed her joy - "For the very 1st time I was able to attend a conference where I could speak with my peers about what it means to be a Hindu; it was a fascinating experience for me; I had lots of fun too." "This conference has inspired me a lot; when I go back to school in Fall, I'll certainly do something at my campus in creating awareness about Hindu Culture," said Raj Jadeja, a sophomore from Cornell University. "We should organize this type of conference all over North America; I can't wait to attend another one," said Rashmi Singh. "Why I liked the conference? Because I have been able to express, experiment and experience the real joy about our culture", said Neel Vora, one of the emcees for the conference. -- ** Chandan cbando@lynx.neu.edu **************************************************************************** * "This life is short, the vanities of the world are transient, but they * * alone live who live for others, the rest are more dead than alive" * * - Swami Vivekananda * **************************************************************************** _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From cbando@mail1.dac.neu.edu Mon Jun 15 15:56:51 1998 From: Chandan Bandopadhyay Message-Id: <199806151956.PAA10394@lynx01.dac.neu.edu> Subject: Info Needed: any articles about Vedic references to atomic science To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org, vhpa-boston@hindunet.org Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:56:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 16:03:07 -0400 From: TRIVEDI PARESH To: Chandan Bandopadhyay Subject: Re: Test: please ignore Chandanbhai, If you know of any articles about Vedic references to atomic science or any other related topics please let me know as soon as possible, I need them to respond to an article in the Toronto Star. I believe at one point, there was something of this sort by Subhash Kak posted on HSCTALK I'm trying to see if I have it saved in my account but if you know of anything of this sort please let me know as soon as possible. Thank you _________________________________________________________ ...Paresh _________________________________________________________ Chandan cbando@lynx.neu.edu **************************************************************************** * "This life is short, the vanities of the world are transient, but they * * alone live who live for others, the rest are more dead than alive" * * - Swami Vivekananda * **************************************************************************** _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Jitendra_Goel@qmail4.nba.TRW.COM Mon Jun 15 16:32:39 1998 Message-ID: Date: 15 Jun 1998 13:29:22 -0600 From: "Jitendra Goel" Subject: Re: Letter from the Preside To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.3d2 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 RE>>Letter from the President 6/15/98 Lakra Ji, I think that holding the conference in 2001 is an excellent idea. We held one in early 80's in Los Angeles. It was very successful. As you mentioned it will require lot of resources, personal sacrifices and funds etc. After having gone through it once in L.A., I realise what it takes. I strongly feel that we should hold the conference with joint efforts of all the organizations of the Sangha Parivar such as VHP, HSS, HSC, FISI and OFBJP etc. Ma. Raju Bhaiya will be an excellent chief guest of this conference, He was the chief guest in our last conference also. We will be very glad to hold in L.A., but VHP's membership in L.A.is not that large, so if it is held with the help of all other Sang Pariwar members it will be very successful. It will give VHP a big boost in L.A. area which I feel is very badly needed. L.A. has great potential for our work,but we have not been successful in realising it. This conference will be an excellent vehicle. Regards Jitendra ------------------------------ Date: 6/14/98 11:56 AM To: Goel, Jitendra From: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org YLakra wrote: > > Dear GC members, namaskar. The response to my letter of last seek has been > less than satisfactory. Although whatever response I got was very useful, > thoughtful informative. > The governing council of VHP of America is the supreme decision making > body. The members who took the responsibility of being the member of this body > should realize the importance of this position. Their input in all the > decisions, which will govern the direction in which the prganization will > proceed or not proceed, is needed. Therefore, it will be encouraging if we > participate in this discussion. I know from personal experience as to how > difficult it is to sit down and write your views and ideas in a cogent form. > Unless we try we will not succeed. > As promissed, here are my views about a national conference to be > held in year 2001. > 1. Holding the conference in 2001will give us ample lead time to prepare for > the conference. > 2. The place of the meeting will depend upon the strength and dependability of > the host chapter. Houston, Detroit, Massachussets and Southern California come > to mind right away. Of course it can be decided later. > 3. The proposed theme of the conference: "Challenges and Opportunities for > Hindus in America." > 4. The format: there are two possibilities: > (a) In the last GC meeting we decided to establish a Dharma Sansad > consisting of various Hindu religious leaders, Gurus and Dharmacharyas who > have established a base or following in this country. This idea will soon be a > reality. I propose that a Hindu conference be held under the guidance of the > Dharma Sandad. This will help us make it a broad based Hindu conference where > we can show case various sects of Hinduism and also project a unified image > of Hinduism at one paltform. > (b) The second proposal is to hold a Hindu conference with joint > efforts of all the organizations of the Sangha Parivar such as VHP, HSS, HSC, > FISI and OFBJP etc. As proposed by HSS, Ma. Raju Bhaiya, sarsanghachalak of > RSS could be the chief guest of this conference. > These are just proposals and I invite and welcome opinions and > critique of thses suggestions or send your own proposal. > Ajay Shah very rightly wrote in his letter that instead of holding > a national conference we should strive to make our organization strong by > holding more BalVihars, youth and family camps etc. But this should not be > either or situation. We have to work simultaneously on both the projects. One > will strengthen the other. If we wait till we have certain numbers of > Balvihars and youth camps etc. to hold a national conference, we may never be > able to hold one. > There should not be any misconception that holding a national > conference will need firm resolve, human and monetary resources, personal > sacrifices and efforts. > I hope this letter has raised enough controversies, expectations > and excitement to make you send your views sooner than later. > Hoping to hear from you. Yash Pal Lakra. > > > _____________________________ > For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Dear Yashpal Ji, I have been reading the comments about Proposed Hindu Conference in year 2001. It is very exciting idea but I tend to agree with Ajay Shah and Renu ji on this subject. It is very important to have strong VHP-A areas and a reasonable financial basis before we venture into any large scale national programs. I think to make the chapters strong we need seasoned VHP-A workers(atleast one in each area) with their heart still with VHP-A devoting full time to VHP. That is only possible if we have any seasoned workers recently retired or retiring soon and ready to devote full time to this work. In Southern California I don't see any one in this area in the near future. Actually many of the seasoned workers from this area are not involved with VHP-A anymore. Actually Southern California is not a strong chapter anymore. Few programs take place every year but very weak VHP influence in the area. Even from the Center VHP-A instead of gaining we have lost Anjali Bahen and Sushim Mukerji to VHP-Bhart. So we should have serious discussion about it Via E-mail and next GC meeting. With best wishes & warm regards. Uma Gulani _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by qmail4.sp.trw.com with ADMIN;14 Jun 1998 11:55:19 -0700 Received: from www10.clever.net (www10.clever.net [209.25.19.1]) by mail-relay2.trw.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA22108 for ; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 11:48:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) id OAA19745; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 14:46:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <358419AB.765A@pacbell.net> Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 11:42:51 -0700 From: Uma Gulaniu X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Letter from the President References: <87227c55.356a0125@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From mihir@eyepiece.com Mon Jun 15 20:26:48 1998 Message-ID: <006201bd98bc$87ffbe00$41906ec6@meghanis> From: "Mihir Meghani" To: "VHP GC List" Subject: 2001 program Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 20:20:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namaste everyone, sorry for not responding earlier on the 2001 program. For such an important event, I wanted to give some thought. I appreciate all the previous comments and I appreciate the regular updates on things from everyone. In short, I totally agree with Gaurang uncle's previous comments. In more detail, here are my thoughts: GENERAL THOUGHTS: I think that a national conference is an excellent idea. However, I wholeheartedly agree with Ajay and Gaurang uncle's thoughts regarding what we need to do before having this. Some of these sentiments were echoed by Uma aunty and Jitendra uncle also. WORKERS: We currently do not have a broad national worker base. We do have a few pockets of good workers in some cities. Therefore, we need to consider where our strongest chapters are in deciding from amongst them where to hold the event. We also need to consider where our appeal is the strongest and will draw our sympathizers. This may turn out to be the same location where our workers are strongest. EVENT SPONSORS: We should do this jointly with other like minded Hindu groups. This is the only way we can assure that all groups, not just HSC and VHP, but HSS, FISI, OFBJP, and others make this their #1 priority that year. This will also insure a larger turnout and increase the # of workers we will have. Among all of the above names groups, we should form a coordination committee whose primary responsibility through 2001 will be to the conference, and secondarily to some specific responsibility in their group. They should come up with specific vision, mission, and goals for the conference. After that, we should invite other prominent national and international Hindu groups, and the local Hindu groups in the city we are having the event to co-sponsor this, and find a role for each organization and their representative. This way we set the agenda, but open up enough that other Hindu groups are actively taking part in the planning - thereby increasing our potential turnout. This will improve our image and also establish us once again as the leading non-sectarian Hindu organization in the US. Dharma Sansad should give a major boost to this as well. PRE-REQUIREMENTS: As Gaurang uncle and Ajay explained, first we need to increase our funds. One way to decrease the cost burden to VHP is to co-organize this with HSS, OFBJP, etc ... Then we can all split the cost. But without money in our hand, or some reasonable plan to come up with a realistic and not too ambitious budget, I do not think we should move ahead. Gaurang uncle's suggestion to evaluate the success of GV2000 and evaluate it for positive improvements we can make for the 2001 conference is imperitive before further planning goes. Finally, we need specific work and time committments from our key workers which includes GC members, chapter coordinators, key local workers, and workers of our affiliated groups. This committment should be specific to committing to realizing a great program in 2001 and should specify what area we would like them to focus on. I would expect that all of the above would be set for sure by the end of 1999 for sure. Now to specifics are requested by Dr. Lakra, 1) THEME: A topic relating to Hindus in 21st Century America. This would reflect on the social, spiritual, religious, political, and cultural needs of Hindus in America. We will need to appeal to 3 main groups: a) Hindus who immigrated from Bharat, b) Hindus born or raised in the US of Indian descent (like me), and c) Hindus of non-Indian descent. 2) FORMAT: Gaurang uncle's suggestion of showcasing various Hindu organizations is excellent. The best way to strengthen our leadership of American Hindus is by fulfilling the needs of Hindus and Hindu organizations. By having a format that allows them to spread their message helps them, and in turn, makes them realize our potential to help them. This establishes our leadership. Various sessions can be held in speaker, discussion, workshop format where people can choose what to attend based on their interest. Of course, there should be a few combined sessions such is intro and chief guest. A grand cultural program like GV2000 would be a great culmination. A 2day event would be good. 3) TOPICS: Specifics can be decided, but we must appeal to every possible thing that makes someone Hindu: social, religious, spiritual, cultural, or political. 4) SPEAKERS: Now these are my opinions, and not necessarily of HSC or anyone from my generation. Speakers should address a wide range of topics across the social, religious, spiritual, cultural, and political spectrums. The Chief Guest should also appeal across a broad spectrum and should be someone prominent to Hindus whether or not they are affiliated with Sangh activities. This person should also be prominent, well versed in English and American Hindu culture, and span the bridge between traditionalism and modernism - understanding the best of both. It should be someone who can convey thoughts in English well to any American and leave a positive impression. A very controversial figure would not be good. I do not think Raju Bhaiiya would be an adequate person for this role. While I respect him, our goal is not to honor someone. Rather, our goal is to have someone who will create a proper mindset in the peoples' minds and convey the goals of the conference. I do not have a specific suggestion for this. However, I do not suggest a spiritual or religious person either, unless the person is world reknowned. As Gaurang uncle suggested, let's try to minimize foreign speakers and get more speakers from the US: it dramatically reduces our cost, makes coordination easier, and will help VHPA's goals in the US more than by having someone come from, say, Bharat. 5) LOCATION: Houston is the location that comes to my mind. We hava strong chapter with excellent workers, and exemplary leadership. VHP's appeal there is broad enough to attract Hindus across community lines. It is also a very large Indian community. We also have good relations with the Indian and local American media. Our sister (or brother, not to be sexist of course) organizations are also strong there. We have an office, secretary, financial base, and most workers there regularly use email and other technology. We also have a mailing permit from there. In summary, we have an experienced and solid team there. The weather there is nice by the way. 6)TIME: 2001, summer. If having it July 4, prepare for a slightly lower turnout due to events of other groups. But if we are planning such a grand event anyway, then we should be prepared for a head to head competition for people. These are my humble suggestions. I hope I have not offended anyone with anything. Thanks. Love, Mihir (I was on call last night so sorry for any spelling or grammatical errors). _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From YLakra@aol.com Mon Jun 15 22:05:59 1998 From: YLakra@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 22:04:59 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Letter from the president Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 86 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Dear GC members, namaste. My previous two letters evoked some response but not as much as I expected or wanted. Any way, this has started some exchange of ideas and views. You should keep them coming. In this letter I want to inform you about the Hindu Heritage Day celebrated by our Michigan chapter. From every aspect it was a great success. It was celebrated on May 30. There were many social, religious and cultural events being celebrated in town that day. Inspite of that we had almost three hundred persons attend the function. The evening function was preceeded by youth conference organized by Hindu Students Council, The Bharatiya Temple and Chinmaya Mission. The evening consisted of social hour, program consisting of reports on the activities of the chpter and various social service programs being run by VHP Bharat and other sister organizations. The presentation of HSC on power point slides with impressive audio and visual effects was received with great acclaim and applause. The video on Seva prepared by New Jersey and Connecticut chapters was also shown and it was received by the audience very well. We cut down on speeches and no body missed them. The program was mc'd by young people and they did an excellent job and it reassured us that we need not worry about future. It is in good hands. The audience was asked to make donations and pledges for various social programs, HSC and Hindu University of America. Sh. Deendyal Khndelwal presented the current status of the University. We raised $41,000.00 in donations and pledges. We made one teacher schools as the targeted charity this year. Donation for nine one teacher school were pledged at $2000.00 each. Michigan leads in sponsoring maximum number of children under Support a Child program. Now Michigan leads in one teacher school program also. I am writing this not as a bragging point, but with hope that this might inspire others to arrange similar programs. This was the seventh annual Hindu Heritage day celebrated by the Michigan chapter. These programs have generated a great deal of good will for VHP in the Detroit area. It took about ten people to make this program a great success. So if we decide to do it any where, we need only a small team of dedicated workers. I hope after reading this you will desire to celebrate Hindu Heritage day in your area also. The evening was completed by a very entertaining staging of artistic, exciting and scintilating dances presented by Nandanta under the guidance choregrapher and dance teacher Chaula Thakar. Every body thouroughly enjoyed the program. Yash Pal Lakra. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From VICHARAK@aol.com Tue Jun 16 00:12:07 1998 From: VICHARAK@aol.com Message-ID: <93e77412.3585f078@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 00:11:34 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Press Releaese: Appeal for Cyclone Relief Funds Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org June 16, 1998 Dear GC Members, Chapter Presidents/coordinators: Namaste from Gaurang. Following is the text of the press release sent to= =0Aethnic papers in the USA. Please give it publicity in your area throu= gh Radio=0Aand TV programs as well. Please send your donations as soons = as possible. Thank you. Brotherly yours, Gaurang G. Vaishnav =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0A=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D VISHWA HINDU PARISHAD OF AMERICA, INC. General Secretary=92s office 61 Prospect Ave., Edison, NJ 08817 Tel.: (732) 393-0183 vicharak@hindunet.org June 16, 1998 The Editor, News India Times 244 Fifth Ave. New York, NY 10001 Dear sir: Please publish the following appeal in your esteemed paper and help sprea= d the=0Aword. Thank you. Sincerely yours, Gaurang G. Vaishnav Gaurang G. Vaishnav General Secretary -------------------------------------------------------------------------= -----=0A-------------------------------- Vishwa Hindu Parishad of America is greatly distressed at the loss of liv= es=0Aand terrible destruction in the states of Gujarat and Rajsthan in Bh= arat due=0Ato the cyclone induced storm last week.. While official figure= for the death=0Atoll is close to 1,000, it is feared that many more may = have perished and are=0Anot accounted for. Damage in Gujarat is estimate= d at 12 billion rupees.=0ATragedy is further compounded by the fact that = majority of the dead in port=0Aof Candela were migrant workers from stat= es of UP, Bihar, Orissa etc. At this time of national tragedy, VHP of America appeals to one and all t= o=0Acontribute generously to its Seva fund to help the families of the vi= ctims=0Arebuild their lives. Donations to VHP of America are fully tax d= eductible in=0Athe USA and It has been a policy of VHP of America not to = deduct any expenses=0Afrom the contributions for a relief fund, so 100% o= f the money will be sent to=0ABharat. We use only time tested honest orga= nizations back in Bharat to make=0Asure that the money is used for the pu= rpose for which it is collected. Please make your check payable to VHP of America, Cyclone Relief fund-199= 8 and=0Amail to: Shree Yogesh J. Naik, Seva Coordinator, VHP of America 167 Keats Ave., Elizabeth, NJ 07208. For further information, contact Gaurang G. Vaishnav (732) 393-0183,=0Av= icharak@hindunet.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------= -----=0A------------------------------------- _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From cbando@mail1.dac.neu.edu Tue Jun 16 01:23:37 1998 From: Chandan Bandopadhyay Message-Id: <199806160523.BAA21740@lynx02.dac.neu.edu> Subject: Namaste To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 01:23:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org namaste all, This msg is regarding HSC annual camp this year. We are geeting an opportunity to host the camp this year in NH. We request all that please inform us if you know any college students who might be interested in attending the camp. If there is someone who is a junior or seniour at High school, please encourage her/him to attned teh camp. thanks chandan From: "Camp Committee '98" Subject: Hi To: hsc-family@hindunet.org Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 00:56:37 -0400 (EDT) Namaste all, We have only 16 days before the camp this year. As you know, HSC camp is one of the most fun-oriented, educational and familial events of HSC. It takes place ONLY one a year. Like previous years, we are eagerly waiting to have you all. So, if you have not registered yet, please do so now. Thanks Camp Committee 1998 ------------------------------------- Asthana, Saurabh Asthana, Shefali Gandhi, Mira Komargiri, Sarat Radhakrishnan, Priya Rathi, Yogesh Sharma, Dinendra Somaroo, Shyamal Vora, Neel and others When should you arrive at the Camp? We expect you all to be at the campsite by 11 PM, Wednesday, July 1 What is the duration of the camp? Camo begins 7 AM, Thursday, July 2 to July 5 noon What will be at the Camp? * Cultural Program * Sports & Games * Yoga & Meditation * Camp Fire * Garba & Bhangra * Guest Speakers/Scholars Discourses * Various Updates of HSC projects and activities * A Temple Trip * A trip to Fireworks in Boston(Not Confirmed) * Indian Food * Slide Shows * Various Workshops * A Quiz Show Some: Tentative Topics:(they may change) - Practical Karma Yoga - Challenges To Hindu Youth in North America - The Hindu Renaissance: A Golden Chapter of our History - Action and Poetry: A synthesis of thoughts Vivekananda and Tagore - Echoes from Past - A continuity towards future And many more ..... What will you bring? Your personal stuff And a fresh mind Please make a note: * All Sleeping accommodations will be provided * Free Food will be served For more info: please check - http://www.hindunet.org/hsc/camps/ Chandan cbando@lynx.neu.edu **************************************************************************** * "This life is short, the vanities of the world are transient, but they * * alone live who live for others, the rest are more dead than alive" * * - Swami Vivekananda * **************************************************************************** Chandan cbando@lynx.neu.edu **************************************************************************** * "This life is short, the vanities of the world are transient, but they * * alone live who live for others, the rest are more dead than alive" * * - Swami Vivekananda * **************************************************************************** _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From MJMEHTA@aol.com Tue Jun 16 05:54:13 1998 From: MJMEHTA@aol.com Message-ID: <1b1957eb.35864096@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 05:53:25 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Letter from the president Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Dear yashPalji: It was very inspiring to hear about an excellent HHD program in Michigan. Hope all other VHP chapters are able to repeat the same. It would be a good idea to share the methodolgy and level of efforts to organize a successful program. Regards Mahesh Mehta _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From pandyahc@juno.com Tue Jun 16 21:05:02 1998 To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 20:59:49 -0400 Subject: Re: Press Releaese: Appeal for Cyclone Relief Funds Message-ID: <19980616.205953.3198.2.pandyahc@juno.com> References: <93e77412.3585f078@aol.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 From: pandyahc@juno.com (Harish C Pandya) X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From jlakhia@umich.edu Wed Jun 17 22:26:57 1998 From: "Jwalant Lakhia" To: Subject: HH Day in Detroit Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:22:36 -0400 Message-ID: <000201bd9a60$f6280e00$6c026fc6@ppp.umd.umich.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002b01bd9a52$ac39b220$38bc4acf@meghanis> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namaskar: All of you must have received a message from Yashpalji about the Hindu Heritage Day program in Detroit. One thing Dr. Lakra did not mention in his message out of his humbleness was the fact that he received an award from VHP-Michigan chapter for his outstanding service to Hindu Community in Michigan. Even though we do not thank our own workers in public for the service they are providing, we have to show our respect and gratitude to that worker anyway we can. Giving an award to Dr. Lakra was one way to do that. This was the first major event where VHP and HSC workers interacted extensively and that provided many HSC workers an opportunity to get to know VHP workers better. This event also helped HSC workers in understanding how VHP operates. I hope that we can have similar programs in other areas of the country and provide opportunity to other HSC workers for the same experience as Michigan. Jwalant. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Pallod@aol.com Sat Jun 20 09:13:04 1998 From: Pallod@aol.com Message-ID: <23238465.358bb534@aol.com> Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 09:12:19 EDT To: VHPGC-L@HINDUNET.ORG Cc: hrinfo@stallion.jsums.edu, Kumar@flash.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Fwd: Inidan in coma in NY hospital Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_898348339_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_898348339_boundary Content-ID: <0_898348339@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Namashkar, Pravin Deshmukh, of Nashik, India, is in coma in a New York Hospital. Hospital needs urgent inforrmation. Anyone from or near Nashik(Maharashtra) can definitely help. I have rcvd this information from a friend of mine. Vijay Pallod --part0_898348339_boundary Content-ID: <0_898348339@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from relay22.mx.aol.com (relay22.mail.aol.com [172.31.106.68]) by air19.mail.aol.com (v45.6) with SMTP; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:08:46 -0400 Received: from endeavor.flash.net (endeavor.flash.net [209.30.0.40]) by relay22.mx.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id MAA15688 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:08:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kumar.flash.net (houasc38-123.flash.net [209.30.72.123]) by endeavor.flash.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA17467 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:08:40 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <358A8D3C.53A6@flash.net> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:09:33 -0500 From: seshadri kumar Reply-To: kumar@flash.net Organization: India Herald X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-FlashNet (Win95; U) To: pallod@aol.com Subject: Inidan in coma in NY hospital Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Pravin Deshmukh, of Nashik, India, is in coma in a New York Hospital. The hospital would like to speak to any next of kin to make a major medical decision about treatment or the best course of action. If no one is available, the state of New York will make that decision. Details from Pravin Deshmukh's passport: Father: Vasant Raghunath Deshmukh Mother: Geeta Vasant Deshmukh Address: Sindekar Sadan Cole or Gold Colony, Old Agra Road, Nashik. Pravin is at the Mary Immaculata Hospital, Cardiac care Unit, Queens, New York Tel: 718-558-2616. Person to contact in New York: Nitin Kumar, Dept. of Chemical Engineering, City College of City Univ. NY 10031 Tel: (212) 650-6692 (day). 212-781-6253 (evening). --part0_898348339_boundary-- _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From AAgarwala@aol.com Sat Jun 20 17:59:44 1998 From: AAgarwala@aol.com Message-ID: <653384ae.358c30ae@aol.com> Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 17:59:09 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: NJ/NY HHD celebration Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Dear Yashpalji, It is good to read about the successful program of Youth Conference and Hindu Heritage Day in Michigan. I am really excited to read about the lead taken by Michigan for pledging for 9 One Teacher Schools. So far I believe Southern California was in lead but it is good to start a healthy competition. Let me congratulate Michigan Chapter for taking up the great cause of education amongst Vanwasi Bandu as Coordinator of this Sewa Project in USA. If you can arrange to send the name, address and phone numbers of people who have pledged, I will appreciate it and add in my records. New Jersey/New York Chapter is going to celebrate Hindu Heritage Day on Sep. 19 at RUTGERS UNIVERSITY and we have also decided to do it with HSC associated with the program. I think it is very important to have joint programs. I want to ask you the secret of fund raising at these programs. Also if you have any file which kind of gives complete planning details -- e.g., fliers samples, how many fliers to be mailed, how the mailing is targeted, any admission charges ?, how much, how do you follow up after flier mailing etc etc . In other words, if it is possible to make a copy of planning papers and send to me it will probably help us also to achieve greater degree of success. Pl advise. I also request you to please keep Sep 19 free in your calendar to come to our HHD Program. This is informal request and formal invitation will ofcourse be sent once we are free from Youth Conference Program on June 27th. Best regards Anand Agarwala _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Pallod@aol.com Thu Jun 25 08:24:41 1998 From: Pallod@aol.com Message-ID: <6d273a7d.35924165@aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 08:24:04 EDT To: VHPGC-L@HINDUNET.ORG Cc: HRTALK@HINDUNET.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Christians blast VHP Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Interesting article in Asian Age also reported in India Abroad. Vijay Pallod Christians blast VHP By Rezaul H. Laskar New Delhi: The Catholic community on Wednesday reacted strongly to the VHP’s attack against its stand on India’s nuclear tests, saying it was "not anti-national to condemn the bomb." The All India Catholic Union spokesman, Mr John Dayal, told The Asian Age the decision by India and Pakistan to explode nuclear devices had been guided "purely by political considerations." The move had "not been in the best interests of both countries, and most of their people, who live in abject poverty." Bishop Karam Massey of the Church of North India condemned the VHP statement, saying "they should not look at it from a communal angle." "Our stand was in the larger interest of society. We are Indians and the stand of the Western Church is not relevant here," he said. Mr Dayal said condemning the tests was the "only nationalistic thing any sane human would do." "A large number of former generals, scientists, diplomats as well as men and women of goodwill from the Hindu community have correctly condemned the political decisions which have lead to this unfortunate nuclear arms race," he said. "Having confirmed that Christians are not practicising their faith at the sufferance of the Parivar, we feel duty-bound to comment whenever we feel the policies or programmes of the government or anybody else are likely to hurt the best interests of all Indians," he said. Refuting Vishwa Hindu Parishad leader Ashok Chowgule’s contention that the Christian community had not done enough to pressure Western countries into reducing their nuclear arsenal, Mr Dayal said the Catholic Church had been at the forefront in condemning "nuclear blackmail and the Cold War." He said Mr Chowgule’s statement that Christians should not "abuse" the hospitality offered by Hinduism had insulted "the great faith called Hinduism and the vast majority of secular Hindus who are wonderful persons and positively the salt of the earth." Such "racist and communal" statements gave the impression that members of all minority communities were "aliens in our motherland," Mr Dayal said. Mr Dayal admitted that Christianity, like all religions, had had "its bloody phase." "There is no effort by the Church to re-write history and instances such as the Crusades have come in for sharp evaluation," he said, adding that history had strengthened the "Christian resolve that there is no alternate to peace and co-existence." _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From jvinod@ix.netcom.com Fri Jun 26 19:31:25 1998 Message-ID: <3594593A.DD2@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 19:30:18 -0700 From: Vinod Jhunjhunwala Organization: The Golden Group X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-NC250 (Win95; U; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Dharma Sansad References: <259404c4.3501cd08@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org MJMEHTA wrote: > > DHARMA SANSAD > > WHAT IS DHARMA SANSAD ? > > Dharma Sansad is the apex body of religious and spiritual Heads of the Hindus > residing in the Western Hemisphere. > > WHO IS A HINDU ? > > Hindus are all those who believe in, practice, or respect the spiritual and > religious principles having their origin in Bharat ( India ). Thus Hindus > include Jains, Buddhas, Sikhs and people of various religious sects within the > Hindu Ethos. > > VISION OF DHARMA SANSAD > > Enable the Hindus of the western hemisphere to sustain their religious, > spiritual and cultural heritage with on going interactions with Dharma Sansad > in a manner that permits them to maintain their diversity while creating a > common bond of social fabric. > > MISSION OF DHARMA SANSAD > > Develop a unifying vision among Hindus. > > Develop a Hindu System of Samskaras, traditions and values for a harmonious > personal, family and social life. > > Develop rituals and rites to accept and welcome non-Hindus who come in the > Hindu-fold by virtue of marriage , adoption or personal convictions. > > Establish new traditions for families and society suited for the time and the > environment. > > HOW DHARMA SANSAD WILL OPERATE ? > > VHP of America or Hindu Heritage Foundation of America will take the > initiative to invite all the Heads of Hindu religious and spiritual > institutions / organizations to become Honorary Member of Dharma Sansad. > > Dharma Sansad will meet once a year at a pre-determined location, (preferably > in the Ashramas by invitation ) and convenient dates ( preferably on some > Hindu auspicious days in August/September of each year. > > The deliberations of the Dharma Sansad will be presided over by an appointed > President ( by rotation). The selection will be done by the members of the > Dharma Sansad. > > The General Secretary of VHPA or HHFA will facilitate the proceedings. > > The meeting will be of one day duration. > > The format of the meeting will be as follows. > > In presence of the Dharma Sansad there will be a joint meeting of the > representatives of various Hindu organizations who subscribe to the idea of > Dharma Sansad. These representatives will present a status report of the > Hindu communities in the western hemisphere. The subject matter will include > the issues of religious, cultural and social importance to the Hindu > communities. > > Dharma Sansad will hold a separate session to deliberate on the issues > presented by the community representatives. > > In the concluding session, the President of Dharma Sansad will present some > guiding principles and suggest practices to address the issues presented by > the representatives. > > The General Secretary of VHPA/HHFA will provide a follow up mechanism to > support the Dharma Sansad. > > INVITEES TO BE HONORABLE MEMBERS OF DHARMA SANSAD > > 1. Poojya Swami Dayananda Saraswati Arsh Vidya Pitham > 2. Poojya swami satchidanada LOTUS > 3. Poojya Swami Jyotirmayananda International Yoga Society > 4. Poojya Swami Chidananda( Muniji) Parmarth Niketana > 5. Poojya Prmukha Swami Maharaj BSS > 6. Poojya Swami Hariprasadji Sokhadawala SS > 7. To be Decided ISKON > 8. Poojya Swami Prakashananda > 9. Poojya Swami Tejomayananda Chinmaya Mission > 10 To be Decided Jain > 11. To Be Decided Sikh > 12. Yogi Hari > 13. Poojya Pandurang Dada > 14. Poojya Dada Vasvani Sadhu Vasvani centers > 15. To Be Decided Ramkrishna Mission > 16. To Be decided Vivekananda Vedanta Society > 17. Poojya Gurumai > 18. Poojya Swami Sivaya Subramuniya Hinduism Today > > Above is by no means an exhaustive list.We also need to identify names from > other countries in the western hemisphere. Please let me know any additional > names and > organizations. We have not placed any limit to the number of members. The > criteria will be interest in our cause. > > Please let me have your suggestions by March 15, 1998. > > Regards > Mahesh Mehta > Chairman: Advisory Board > VHP Of America. > > _____________________________ > For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org I would appreciate further information You can count on some contribution Thanks vj _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From kanchan_banerjee@npcfreight.com Mon Jun 29 11:12:03 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980629111603.00721840@208.197.9.151> X-Sender: kanchan_banerjee@208.197.9.151 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:16:05 -0400 To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From: "Kanchan Banerjee" Subject: Pakistan has 'plans' for nuclear strikes: Scientist defectedwith list of Indian targets Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Return-Path: >Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 21:27:26 -0500 >From: "Rajiv Pandit" >To: rpandit@aya.yale.edu, svaishnavi@bosco.meis.uab.edu, > VEZNER.KRIS@EPAMAIL.EPA.GOV, ajay@hindunet.org, mihir@hindunet.org, > kanchan_banerjee@npcfreight.com, akpmich@umich.edu, > mmurthi@worldnet.att.net >Subject: Pakistan has 'plans' for nuclear strikes: Scientist defected > with list of Indian targets >Content-Disposition: inline > >The Times of India News Service >June 29, 1998 >http://www.timesofindia.com/today/29home1.htm > >Pakistan has `plans' for nuclear strikes: Scientist defected with list of Indian targets > >By L. K. Sharma > >LONDON: Pakistan's military commanders considered pre-emptive nuclear strikes against India and their demonic first-use plans so shocked a senior nuclear scientist that in protest he defected with four colleagues. > >The report of the plan and the escape of the scientists which is to appear in this week's Jane's Defence Weekly has been confirmed by The Observer. The front-page lead story in the paper says that the scientists defected with a list of Indian targets after being told to prepare the ground for a possible nuclear attack. He is reported to have done that in protest against Pakistan's first-use policy. > >The nuclear physicist - an expert in warhead technology and one of 2,000 scientists who have been working in great secrecy for the past decade - has asked for asylum, claiming he was present at meeting when the nuclear targets in India were being discussed. After the tests, he was asked to provide data for explosive yields required to attack a list of targets and terrain. > >The technical staff were asked to provide data for the explosive yields and weaponisation necessary to attack a variety of Indian targets. Such reports, if true, will only confirm the fears of those who consider Pakistan to be a less than stable and mature state run by trigger-happy generals and some extremist political leaders. This also shows why Pakistan is not responding to India's offer of a no-first use agreement. > >Scientists in most circumstances will find the plan of actual strikes horrendous but any such attempt in the context of Pakistan and India will have an added poignancy since the two nations share families and a common heritage. A conventional war is quite different. > >The report claims that the Pakistani officials escaped after attempts to stop their defection by Pakistan's inter-service intelligence (ISI) agency. The most senior scientist of the group says his wife has since been arrested in retaliation, and in an attempt to make him return to Pakistan. > >The defectors are adamant that they are not being unpatriotic, but are deeply concerned about discussions over the targeting of Indian military centres. According to the report, ``These guys turned up in the countries they escaped to with nothing but the clothes on their backs. They are very scared. Their families are still in Pakistan and they believe Pakistani intelligence officials are looking for them.'' > >If the scientist's claims are confirmed, India and Pakistan were much closer to a nuclear exchange than anyone realised at the time, The Observer says. Pakistani officials denied the report. Some other senior sources in Pakistan have shown a marked embarrassment over approaches concerning the missing scientists and refused to answer questions on their whereabouts. > >The disclosure may make the prime ministers of the two countries sit up. The scenario is frightening enough for them to be in touch with each other even before the proposed SAARC summit. The disclosure has highlighted the crucial importance of a mechanism of confidence-building which is required to be put in place. Those in the West unhappy about the nuclear capabilities of India and Pakistan, will have some evidence to reinforce their suggestion that the US and the Soviet Union threatening each other with nuclear bombs was one thing but India and Pakistan doing the same is entirely another. > >The Observer report says that the disclosure that Pakistan was considering first use has added a frightening new dimension to the nuclear stand-off on the Indian sub-continent. It has emerged since the Pakistani nuclear tests that senior politicians in Islamabad were convinced that they were about to be attacked by India, possibly with the help of Israel. > >It says that after India first tested a thermonuclear device, Pakistan became gravely concerned that Delhi intended to send aircraft to destroy its nuclear facilities before it managed to reply with its own tests. At the height of the crisis, Pakistan's Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif telephoned Tony Blair and Bill Clinton and the other members of the nuclear club to express his fears. > >The host countries will now have a heavy responsibility of protecting the Pakistani defectors who will be chased by Pakistani security agents. > _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu Wed Jul 1 21:06:30 1998 Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:57:04 -0700 (MST) From: Ajay Shah To: hsc-sc@hindunet.org, vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Messages to me.. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Namaskar I was out of town from June 16 onwards, when I returned yesterday, I discovered that I had lost all e-mail messages that were received in these 15 days. If you have sent anything important to this address ajay@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu please resend it thank you very much regards ajay _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Yashwant@aol.com Wed Jul 1 22:09:32 1998 From: Yashwant@aol.com Message-ID: <86f0596b.359aebb8@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 22:08:55 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Messages to me.. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Ajay namaskar welcome home!! I would like to know the vhp or hss camp's dates and venues, trying to send Shraddha for one of these camps. yashwant. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From MJMEHTA@aol.com Fri Jul 3 06:35:53 1998 From: MJMEHTA@aol.com Message-ID: <81e7e859.359cb3e7@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 06:35:18 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Dharma Sansad Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Dear Vinodji: Saprem Namaste. I hope you have received information from Vimal Sodhani If not, please talk with him. We would like you to participate in this program Dates are August 22 and 23. Regards Mahesh Mehta _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From shahajay@yahoo.com Fri Jul 3 16:52:05 1998 Message-ID: <19980703205405.6183.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 13:54:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Ajay Shah Subject: Re: Messages to me.. To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yashwant, Namaskar. How are you, Rita and the kids? Apteji, Naresh, Shireesh, Sharadmani etc. have given their regards to you all. I do not have the camp information at this time (I think that I deleted it since i cannot make it anywhere this year). Please contact Gaurangbhai (vicharak@hindunet.org) for VHP information and Venkatesh (vvmurthy@aol.com) for HSS camp information. Sorry about that. regards, ajay ---Yashwant@aol.com wrote: > > Ajay > > namaskar > > welcome home!! > > I would like to know the vhp or hss camp's dates and venues, trying to send > Shraddha for one of these camps. > > yashwant. > > _____________________________ > For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From srtiwari@hotmail.com Wed Jul 8 23:06:29 1998 Message-ID: <19980709030557.11770.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [170.140.250.34] From: "shyam tiwari" To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: RSS bashing from Times of India Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 20:05:55 PDT X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Namaste, Here is an article published in 'The Times of India' dated 8th of July 1998. RSS bashers have come out with a new clever way which by no means specifies shift in their strtegic thinking as it has always been to portray RSS in bad light and against everything popular or positive. Now Hindus have started becoming more assertive and whole movement has started gaining ground so RSS is being portaryed as anti-Hindu, non-cultural etc. etc. I have already sent my letter to the editor, please do write to the editor. My suggestion would be to be more objective than I was. Here is the article. The Real RSS Not Hindu, Cultural or Nationalist By PARSA VENKATESHWAR RAO JR. IT is one of those strange but true stories. The Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) is criticised for its Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) connections. The BJP is never rapped for what it does or fails to do. It faces flak on behalf of the RSS. In 1979, the Janata Party government came apart on the issue of dual membership -- held by the Jan Sangh faction in the RSS. The late Madhu Limaye elevated it to a question of high principle, and the Morarji Desai government had to fall. Of course, it took Limaye and other socialists nearly two years before they realised that they were hobnobbing with members of the RSS. Nineteen years later, a similar drama may be re-enacted by the allies of the BJP when they decide to part company with the BJP. In the confidence motion debates in May 1996 as well those that took place in March, the monotonous refrain was heard again: the BJP is guilty of communalism because of its association with the RSS. Could it not be that the BJP is communal with no help from the RSS? Intricate Links The fair and honest thing to do is to criticise the BJP for its acts of omission and commission, and take on the RSS on its own grounds. And this should hold good even when a BJP member happens to be a member of the RSS, and vice-versa. There are, no doubt, intricate links between the BJP and the RSS. It would have been better if the BJP and the RSS had made things clear. Though they claim to be separate and independent of each other, the RSS seems to exert proprietary rights over the BJP. But there are distinctions too. Not all members of the BJP are members of the RSS and vice versa. This is more than a question of sophistry or hair-splitting because the critics of the BJP minus the RSS and the RSS minus the BJP are literally fighting insubstantial ghosts. Curiously, not many of these critics dare castigate the RSS directly. And even when they do, all that they can think of saying is that it is a communal organisation. Now, like the word "secularism", "communalism" too is a lazy description, which you use to describe people whom you do not like; like "bolshie" and "reactionary", it means many things to many people, and ends up meaning nothing. And there is a strong suspicion that even the critics want things to remain vague because it saves them the bother of coming to grips with the real opponents. Ku Klux Klan The RSS phenomenon must be examined directly. The secularists, especially those in the Congress camp, have for long used the RSS as a whipping boy. In the bargain, the strength and the popularity of the RSS have been exaggerated. It is essential to understand that the RSS is not in the same category as the Ku Klux Klan, nor is it something like the Salvation Army. It even lacks the aristocratic charm and secretiveness of the Freemasons. The RSS is quintessentially a petit bourgeois organisation, born of cultural despair. Its founder, Hedgewar, a Telugu Brahmin from Nagpur, was no Oswald Spengler with a tragic vision of civilisation. Hedgewar created an organisation which imitated western ideas of militant nationalism on a puny scale. In many ways, the RSS is a colonial caricature in its dress code as well as in the paramilitary drill of the parade ground it has adopted. It would be difficult either to be impressed, or be intimidated, by its disciplined cadres in uniform. The RSS leaders claim that theirs is a Hindu cultural organisation engaged in the task of national regeneration. But a scrutiny of the organisation and its ideological basis would show that the RSS is not Hindu, not cultural, not nationalist. It is not Hindu because its founders and members have no notion of the complex and hoary ritualistic and philosophical traditions which constitute Hinduism. There is a tendency among the RSS ranks to ignore the mystery and the metaphysics because they believe it was the "otherworldliness" of the ancient religion which brought about the decline and fall of Hindu supremacy. What they substitute for the richly textured traditions is a skimpy catechism shorn of depth and meaning, and they are quite apologetic about the religious traces that still linger. The RSS is not cultural because it has shown no taste for creativity in literature, in music, in the fine arts. And none in cinema, the supreme art form of the 20th century. The German Romantics as well as the Russian intelligentsia of the 19th century were passionately engaged in the creation of literatures and art traditions as a foundation-stone for a national culture. And there were fierce, intelligent debates over questions of literature, culture, and nationalism. It is impossible even to find faint echoes of a Herder or a Hegel, or a Belinski in the corridors of the RSS. They are not capable of setting up a national canon because that would require rare literary and historical scholarship. It is not nationalist because its definition of the Indian nation is so restricted that a greater part of it -- regions, literatures, religions -- stands excluded, and consequently the multiple historical strands which form the network of national consciousness is clipped. By the end of the 18th century, the Hindu elites were thoroughly Persianised. Many of the revivalists of the 19th and the 20th centuries are helplessly cornered on this question. Secondly, it has not been able to incorporate into the idea of the nation the Mazzinian ideals of liberty, justice and equality, which moulded modern nationalism throughout the world. When the RSS leaders refer to dharma they are just indulging in bluff because they do not even know the many connotations the word has undergone through the centuries. And not one of them has even dusted the thousands of volumes of the juristic texts known as the dharma shastra. Great Threat The point needs to be driven home because the secularists find great satisfaction in painting the RSS as a pre-eminent Hindu organisation, which it is not. As a matter of fact, the RSS poses a greater threat to the Hindus than it does to the minorities because it distorts and devalues all that is precious in the religion and its traditions. It has to be emphasised that there is a Hindu view of civilisation as there is an Islamic, Christian, Judaic or Buddhist view, but this Hindu view is not articulated by the RSS. Hindu reinterpretations were attempted by Bankimchandra Chatterjee, Sri Aurobindo and Sarvepalli Radhakrishnan. They are not very satisfactory, but if secularists are keen to debate the Hindu view they must turn to these writers. They should not choose a strawman like the RSS to make their point against Hinduism. *****************************COPY OF MY LETTER*********************** This is in reference to the article 'The real RSS' by Parsa Venkateshwar Rao Jr. dated 8th of July 1998. It is a very cleverly written interesting article. RSS has been stereotyped as a communal organization by its critics since it started gaining ground in early 40's. However, contrary to the expectation, this strategy has failed miserably as it could not arrest the growth and popularity of RSS. Particularly after Ramjanmabhoomi issue, every political party is being considered either supporting Hindu cause or against it (in the false garb of pseudo secularism). Since the rise of BJP suggests lot of support for Hindu cause, the author has decided to portray RSS as anti-Hindu, as being neutral in the present situation particularly after widespread death of Communism would be a hypocrisy. So, RSS as it stands today, is an anti-Hindu organization according to the author. One should be brain dead to think this. It would not take a person more than few seconds to realize what an RSS is if one bothers to spend some time with it. RSS doesn't work on negativism. It tries to be proactive. As an individual or an organization, growth is only possible by being proactive not reactive. Reaction can destroy countries, bring down popular governments but not gain anything positive. This has been proved time and time again. RSS has always focused on what to do without being guided by what others want it to do in reaction. This is the key to success. Most of the political parties and few individuals in India are reactionaries. They don't have anything positive to contribute to the society or country as a whole. The only aim they have is, to fulfill their own narrow short term selfish goal without care for the country or the masses who have elevated them to the very position they take advantage of. Shyam Tiwari Atlanta, Georgia, USA ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From VICHARAK@aol.com Thu Jul 9 10:18:07 1998 From: VICHARAK@aol.com Message-ID: <838a22c0.35a4d030@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:14:07 EDT To: srtiwari@hotmail.com Cc: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: RSS bashing from Times of India Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org 7/9/98 Dear Shyamji: Thank you for sending this article. Your letter is pretty objective, however, one needs to refute author's assertions point by point. I wonder, if RSS, back home has a cell that monitors this type of writings and conters it/ I rarely see any response from our cadres in Bharat ( I read read another vehementaly anti-RSS/BJP/VHP paper, HINDU). Also, it is unlikely that many GC members would write letters to Editors- my suggestion is to think on line of forming a limited group of people who have the desire and talent to write on a regular basis to newspapers and magazines- not only reacting but being proactive (just as you have mentioned about RSS). also, we need to focus more on media here than any where else. You can interact with Shree Rajiv Varma (504) 738-9724 rajiv@hindunet.org who has proposed such a group some time back. Keep up the good work. Brotherly, Gaurang _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From VICHARAK@aol.com Thu Jul 9 11:30:18 1998 From: VICHARAK@aol.com Message-ID: <52126d0e.35a4e189@aol.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:28:08 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: HH Day in Detroit Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org 7/9/98 Dear Jwalant: Namaste. Sorry, i am replying to your email of 6/15 so late. Thank you for your update on HHD and award won by Yasdh Palji. It is true humulity of our workers that shines. This is the difference. We do not work for medals or titles and if they come we do not get excited or trumpet our horn. As long as, our workers remeber that, we will remain unique and will be able to give our best to the society. Brotherly, Gaurang _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From VICHARAK@aol.com Mon Jul 13 12:51:18 1998 From: VICHARAK@aol.com Message-ID: <3c9761e1.35aa3ade@aol.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:50:35 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Fwd: something to ponder over Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_900348637_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_900348637_boundary Content-ID: <0_900348637@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII 7/13/1998 Dear colleagues: Mnay of you may not have viewed discussions on Hindu Universe/forum. This is a typical question. If you have answers, please write to the concerned party directly. Thanks. Brotherly, Gaurang --part0_900348637_boundary Content-ID: <0_900348637@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from relay24.mx.aol.com (relay24.mail.aol.com [172.31.106.70]) by air14.mail.aol.com (v45.18) with SMTP; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:19:48 -0400 Received: from www10.clever.net (www10.clever.net [209.25.19.1]) by relay24.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id AAA08240 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:19:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) id AAA21639 for vicharak@aol.com; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:19:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) id AAA21631 for vicharak@hindunet.org; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:19:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:19:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Unprivileged user Message-Id: <199807130419.AAA21631@www10.clever.net> To: vicharak@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > Hindu Universe Interactive: General Discussion: Hindu-Christian > marriages By Glenela Sue Rajpaul (Glenela) on Monday, July 13, 1998 - 12:19 am: > After 3 years of dating, I married a Hindu man in April 1998. I > was born Baptist but have since converted to Catholicism. Our > biggest argument is over my role in his religion. I do not want to > convert to Hinduism, but I understand the important role a wife has > in the religion. What can and can I not do in regards to > ceremonies? I want to be actively involved with his practices and > ceremonies, but I don't want to cross any lines. Can any one help > me? ----------------------------- If you do not wish to receive e-mail notification, change your e-mail notification setting in the user profile manager or the moderator profile manager. http://www.hindunet.org/forum/discus/ --part0_900348637_boundary-- _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Vartalapa@aol.com Mon Jul 13 14:26:58 1998 From: Vartalapa@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:23:38 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Messages to GC members Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namaskaar, I had to go back to Bharat , as my father passed away on May 24th. Since I am an only child my responsibility to my mother is foremost now. However, papa went not only peacefully but also amazingly ! Since Jan to May 98 he met all of us right down to his great - grandchildren. My son, his only grandson, had arrived 5 days earlier. So he was able to do all Sanskars -- my father's wish was that I, his daughter should do them. But in my absence Pramit should be the one. We always wondered how this will be accomplished being so far away ! Not only this, he did 40 minutes of meditation & his 40 year long routine of japa too. He went to Chandigarh on the 19th to do a legal case for Tribune - worked till one day before his physical body came to an end! I share this with you because GC is like a family, also so often we hear of painful happenings, where as this one has left us,my papa Shree Jagmohan Singh Sophat's family peaceful & with a stronger faith in prayers. This I consider to be his greatest gift to me. With best wishes, Renu S Malhotra _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From cbando@mail1.dac.neu.edu Mon Jul 13 18:07:28 1998 From: Chandan Bandopadhyay Message-Id: <199807132207.SAA10254@lynx02.dac.neu.edu> Subject: An Immediate Need: RE:something to ponder over To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:07:16 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <3c9761e1.35aa3ade@aol.com> from "VICHARAK@aol.com" at Jul 13, 98 12:50:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namaste all, Gaourabgauncle's mail depicts something very urgent that we should do in immediate future as our Hindu brothers and siters looking for various helps in various aspects of our personaland social life. To that end I suggest, if allowed, that we should have a 800 hotline service immediately to provide help and service in following aspects: 1) Counciling young married couple on various marital issues. 2) Helping in counciling inter-racial marrige issues 3) Providing guidence as to how to maintain a hindufamily life 4) Providing guidenceas to howtoraisea kidinHindu way of life etc. We have many Unties and Uncles who can easlily take various phone calls and help various people in fostering a greater HinduSociety . We can have an answering machine. People can leave msgs; one of us can check the mags and distribute them to the listed knowledgable uncles and unties who can call them back as they find time. Once again, I think we have some great knowledgeble people in VHPA. People will be enriched and enlighten if they get opportnities to hear from them. regards chandan > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > --part0_900348637_boundary > Content-ID: <0_900348637@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > 7/13/1998 > > Dear colleagues: > > Mnay of you may not have viewed discussions on Hindu Universe/forum. This is > a typical question. If you have answers, please write to the concerned party > directly. > > Thanks. > > Brotherly, > > Gaurang > > > --part0_900348637_boundary > Content-ID: <0_900348637@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> > Content-type: message/rfc822 > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > Content-disposition: inline > > Return-Path: > Received: from relay24.mx.aol.com (relay24.mail.aol.com [172.31.106.70]) by > air14.mail.aol.com (v45.18) with SMTP; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:19:48 > -0400 > Received: from www10.clever.net (www10.clever.net [209.25.19.1]) > by relay24.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) > with ESMTP id AAA08240 for ; > Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:19:47 -0400 (EDT) > Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) id AAA21639 > for vicharak@aol.com; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:19:46 -0400 (EDT) > Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) id > AAA21631 for vicharak@hindunet.org; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:19:46 -0400 > (EDT) > Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:19:46 -0400 (EDT) > From: Unprivileged user > Message-Id: <199807130419.AAA21631@www10.clever.net> > To: vicharak@hindunet.org > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > > Hindu Universe Interactive: General Discussion: Hindu-Christian > > marriages > > > By Glenela Sue Rajpaul (Glenela) on Monday, July 13, 1998 - 12:19 am: > > > After 3 years of dating, I married a Hindu man in April 1998. I > > was born Baptist but have since converted to Catholicism. Our > > biggest argument is over my role in his religion. I do not want to > > convert to Hinduism, but I understand the important role a wife has > > in the religion. What can and can I not do in regards to > > ceremonies? I want to be actively involved with his practices and > > ceremonies, but I don't want to cross any lines. Can any one help > > me? > > ----------------------------- > If you do not wish to receive e-mail notification, change your > e-mail notification setting in the user profile manager or the > moderator profile manager. > > http://www.hindunet.org/forum/discus/ > > > --part0_900348637_boundary-- > > _____________________________ > For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > Chandan cbando@lynx.neu.edu **************************************************************************** * "This life is short, the vanities of the world are transient, but they * * alone live who live for others, the rest are more dead than alive" * * - Swami Vivekananda * **************************************************************************** _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From pandyahc@juno.com Mon Jul 13 22:48:45 1998 To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:35:18 -0400 Subject: Re: Fwd: something to ponder over Message-ID: <19980713.223722.7358.0.pandyahc@juno.com> References: <3c9761e1.35aa3ade@aol.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,4-5 From: pandyahc@juno.com (Harish C Pandya) X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Gaurang ji, Jai Sri Ram. I think in such cases one has to ask what is more important. Is happiness of the family more important or imaginary lines. If happiness of the family life is more important then all those lines has no meaning. Harish Pandya _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From gulaniu@pacbell.net Tue Jul 14 00:04:49 1998 Message-ID: <35AAD815.3C92@pacbell.net> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:01:25 -0700 From: Uma Gulaniu X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Messages to GC members References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Vartalapa@aol.com wrote: > > Namaskaar, > I had to go back to Bharat , as my father passed away on May 24th. Since I am > an only child my responsibility to my mother is foremost now. However, papa > went not only peacefully but also amazingly ! Since Jan to May 98 he met all > of us right down to his great - grandchildren. My son, his only grandson, had > arrived 5 days earlier. So he was able to do all Sanskars -- my father's wish > was that I, his daughter should do them. But in my absence Pramit should be > the one. We always wondered how this will be accomplished being so far away ! > Not only this, he did 40 minutes of meditation & his 40 year long routine of > japa too. He went to Chandigarh on the 19th to do a legal case for Tribune - > worked till one day before his physical body came to an end! I share this with > you because GC is like a family, also so often we hear of painful happenings, > where as this one has left us,my papa Shree Jagmohan Singh Sophat's family > peaceful & with a stronger faith in prayers. This I consider to be his > greatest gift to me. > With best wishes, > Renu S Malhotra > > _____________________________ > For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Dear Renu ji, Please accept my heart felt sympathies. May his soul rest in peace. It is good that you have this strength. May you always keep good memories of him in your heart. Whatever their age, whatever our age, the loss of a parent is a big loss in one's life. I lost my mother 10 days after the Governing Council meeting last year. She is in thoughts every single day. With warm thoughts for you and your family Uma Gulani _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From shahajay@yahoo.com Tue Jul 14 01:57:44 1998 Message-ID: <19980714055129.28759.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:51:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Ajay Shah Subject: ABVP Website Online To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Namaskar, I am pleased to announce that the largest student organization in India, Akhil Bharatiya Vidyarthi Parishad (ABVP) now has a website of its own. To access this website : http://www.abvp.org ABVP has about one million members. It has been at the forefront of the students movement in India. This year, on July 9, 1998, ABVP celebrated 50 th. year of its foundation. It was on that day, this website was inaugurated. Please visit this website and learn more about ABVP. ABVP website was created in collaboration with Global Hindu Electronic Networks (GHEN), a project of HSC. regards, ajay _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From mihir@eyepiece.com Tue Jul 14 10:45:09 1998 Message-ID: <00b901bdaf36$78c65300$80c4430c@meghanis> From: "Mihir Meghani" To: "VHP GC List" Subject: HSC Camp Press Release Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:05:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org HSC's Eighth Camp Ended Leaving Participants Feeling Energized And Enlightened The Hindu Students Council's (HSC) Eighth Annual North American camp held in Green Pastures, New Hampshire, from July 2-5, 1998, left participants feeling energized and enlightened. The annual camp provided opportunities, for participants to improve their leadership skills while employing yoga, meditation, discussion sessions, and discourses by a variety of inspirational speakers to promote personal growth. Madhavi Bhaskhara, of Seattle, Washington, said that “As a new member of HSC, this camp was an invaluable forum in expanding my understanding and knowledge base of Hinduism, as well as learning from fellow HSC members who attended from around the world.” Deepa Krishnan, from the Northeastern Ohio University College of Medicine, commented that “The camp provided me an opportunity to form new friendships as well as enhance my appreciation for Hindu culture and heritage.” Each day commenced with invigorating sessions of yoga and meditation. The first day of camp included group games and activities which were used as ice breakers to stimulate campers' minds and introduce campers to one another. The first guest speaker, Pandit Ramadheenji, delivered a presentation entitled “The Relevance of Puja and Rituals.” Chandan Bandhopadhyay, HSC Chapters and Regional Activities Coordinator, led a session explaining HSC accomplishments, and expounded on the ideal of Vasudhaiva Kutumbakum (the entire universe is one family) – HSC’s vision. The afternoon highlight was a multi-media presentation on Contributions of India to the World. Finally, after friendly games of basketball and volleyball, the campers congregated around a campfire for an exciting game of antakshri. On the second day, thought provoking discussions on perceptions of Hinduism and why Hindu-Americans should care for India were conducted. Some participants suggested that while we are living in North America, developments in India should remain ongoing concerns for Hindu-Americans as India is their spiritual motherland. This discussion was concluded by remarks from Jogjiben Sanyal from Patna, Bihar whose patriotic comments inspired all. In addition, a presentation entitled “A Synthesis of Thoughts – Swami Vivekananda and Tagore” led by Paresh Trivedi, from Toronto, Canada, encouraged active group discussions about the roles and contributions about these two great Indian personalities. Dr. Mahesh Mehta, director of research at Koch Membrane Systems and active Hindu leader in America spoke on the role of Hinduism in the 21st century. The day concluded with a lively evening of garba and bhangra. July 4, the third day of camp, was both America’s Independence Day and the death anniversary of Swami Vivekananda. Flags of the nations of the participants were raised, national anthems were sung, and a tribute was paid to Swami Vivekananda by reading his famous poem: 'To the 4th of July.’ Shri Shripad Shastri, former professor of history and head of the history department of Pune University (Pune, India) gave a lecture comparing and contrasting the experiences of both India and the United States in their struggles for freedom. In paying tribute to the 222nd anniversary of American Independence, he recalled that the relationship between India and America goes back hundreds of years. Finally, Swami Murgananda, of the Anchal Unique Mountain Trust in Tamil Nadu, India, gave an inspiring discourse on practical karma yoga. Following this, participants gave impromptu speeches on a variety of topics ranging from the dharma of Hindu youth to what is God? Campers had an opportunity to display their talents and creativity during an entertaining culture show that included bharatnatyam, skits, vocal and instrumental performances. After bonding together throughout the weekend's activities, campers developed close friendships which resulted in emotional farewells on the fourth and final day of the camp. Hindu Students Council (HSC) is an international forum promoting understanding of Hindu culture and heritage. Started in May 1990, it has grown to include over 50 chapters at college campuses across the U.S. and Canada. HSC is also the founder of Global Hindu Electronics Network (GHEN) -- the largest and most-frequently visited site on Hinduism available on the web: www.hindunet.org. For more information about HSC activities including future camps, please email hsc@hindunet.org, write to HSC, PO Box 9185, Boston, MA 02114-0041 USA, call 617-698-1106, or fax 617-444-8725. Prepared By: Madhavi Bhaskara & Paresh Trivedi _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From VICHARAK@aol.com Tue Jul 14 10:49:54 1998 From: VICHARAK@aol.com Message-ID: <1d7c2abe.35ab6fc1@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:48:32 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: something to ponder over Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org 7/13/1998 Dear Harishji: Namaste. I posted this for all to study and answer directly to the person concerned. If you feel up to it, please send your reply directly to the person who posed teh question. Thank you. Brotherly, Gaurang _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From nandsharma@ihgw1.lucent.com Tue Jul 14 12:29:21 1998 Message-ID: <2F41EC6A0B65D11181C30000C0F6F8E6104AFA@ma0940exch003u.mv.lucent.com> From: "Sharma, Nand K (Nand)" To: "'vhpgc-l@hindunet.org'" Subject: RE: Messages to GC members Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:26:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Renu Bahen Thanks for sharing this moment of personal sadness with the VHP-GC family. We share in your grief and pray to God to grant your papa's soul eternal bliss and peace. You are certainly fortunate to have had such a spiritually evolved father, and the Samskars he himself imbibed and transferred to you are evident in your interactions with other people and society in general. The fact that he passed away painlessly, peacefully and joyously while performing his usual worldly duties, and that this departure left the family with strengthened faith in prayers are signs of spiritual evolution. With prayers that may God grant you and the family the strength and wisdom to bear the worldly loss of your dear papaji. Brotherly, Nand Kishore Sharma---------- > From: Vartalapa@aol.com[SMTP:Vartalapa@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, July 13, 1998 2:23 PM > To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Subject: Re: Messages to GC members > > Namaskaar, > I had to go back to Bharat , as my father passed away on May 24th. Since I > am > an only child my responsibility to my mother is foremost now. However, > papa > went not only peacefully but also amazingly ! Since Jan to May 98 he met > all > of us right down to his great - grandchildren. My son, his only grandson, > had > arrived 5 days earlier. So he was able to do all Sanskars -- my father's > wish > was that I, his daughter should do them. But in my absence Pramit should > be > the one. We always wondered how this will be accomplished being so far > away ! > Not only this, he did 40 minutes of meditation & his 40 year long routine > of > japa too. He went to Chandigarh on the 19th to do a legal case for > Tribune - > worked till one day before his physical body came to an end! I share this > with > you because GC is like a family, also so often we hear of painful > happenings, > where as this one has left us,my papa Shree Jagmohan Singh Sophat's family > peaceful & with a stronger faith in prayers. This I consider to be his > greatest gift to me. > With best wishes, > Renu S Malhotra > > _____________________________ > For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > > _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Jitendra_Goel@qmail4.nba.TRW.COM Wed Jul 15 19:47:12 1998 Message-ID: Date: 15 Jul 1998 16:42:25 -0600 From: "Jitendra Goel" Subject: Re: ARTICLE FROM LATIMES To: vhpgc-l@HINDUNET.ORG X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.3d2 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 7/15/98 4:41 PM RE>ARTICLE FROM LATIMES Bandhuwar, The following article appeared in LA Times last week.I personally feel it is absolutely absurd and was quite offended by it. We from LA area have had several discussions with the editor of LA Times including Mr. Charles Perry, and got them to realize that the contents of their article are totally wrong. I had an rebut article written by Dr. Chelvapilla, which after much discussions they have agreed to publish. It appeared in today's paper. I will like to urge you to please write to LA Times and express your views about it. If they get many letters about the inaccuracy of the article, they will think twice before publishing any anti-Hindu material. All the contact phone numbers including their E-Mail address is provided below. Charles Perry,a staff writer of the food section of Los Angeles Times wrote this article under Folklore-Non-Veg India in food section. Americans sometimes have an exaggerated idea of how vegetarian India is.Vegetarians predominate in some castes and regions,but probably most Indians eat meat.....when they can afford it,which might not be often. Meat- eating has been common throughout the Indian History.It is mentioned in epic poems such as Ramayana,in which Sita,consort of the god Rama,favors a dish of meat cooked with rice. The Aryans,who introduced the Sanskrit language and Vedic scriptures to India about 3500 years ago, were cattle herders and their preferred way of showing honor to the guest was slaughtering a cow, something many Hindus would consider a shocking sin today. Goghna, a Sanskrit word for guest , literally means one for whom a cow is killed . In fact, for centuries it was obligatory to make a gift of beef to a Brahmin priest (the caste that is most likely to be vegetarian today) at a shraddha, or memorial ceremony for the dead. The Kurma Purana, is scripture from AD 300 to 500, went so far as to say that if you don t eat meat at a shraddha you will be born as an animal. Vegetarianism had always existing in India, though, and it got a boost in the fifth century BC when the Buddha advised his followers not to kill animals for food. (It was the killing, not the eating, which was the sin, in Buddhism, and even monks were permitted to eat meat as long as they hadn t killed the animal or had someone else kill it for them. The only Indian religion that has always been rigorously vegetarian is Jainism.) Thereafter a revulsion against meat-eating gradually spread among Hindus, starting with the Brahmin caste. It s often said that it was based on the belief that the animal you eat might be a reincarnated relative, but that was only one reason offered in India. Meat involved the sin of killing, for starters, and it was also condemned as impure by nature, causing bad dreams and lustful thoughts and eating was considered a crude, uncultured thing to do. [This article shows a picture of a sitting Buddha. The phone number of Charles Perry is 213-237 7806 and the Food Section Editor is Laurie Ochoa at 213-237-4638. The Times Food department fax number is 213-237-7355. Their email is: food@latimes.com or you can write directly to the editor at Davilynn.Furlow@latimes.com ] ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by qmail4.sp.trw.com with ADMIN;25 Jun 1998 05:38:04 -0700 Received: from www10.clever.net (www10.clever.net [209.25.19.1]) by mail-relay2.trw.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA25613 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 05:30:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) id IAA15456; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 08:26:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Pallod@aol.com Message-ID: <6d273a7d.35924165@aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 08:24:04 EDT To: VHPGC-L@HINDUNET.ORG Cc: HRTALK@HINDUNET.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Christians blast VHP Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@HINDUNET.ORG Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by mail-relay2.trw.com id FAA25613 ------------------------------ Date: 6/25/98 5:38 AM To: Goel, Jitendra From: vhpgc-l@HINDUNET.ORG _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From srtiwari@hotmail.com Thu Jul 16 00:08:26 1998 Message-ID: <19980716040755.27264.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [170.140.251.90] From: "shyam tiwari" To: vhpgc-l@HINDUNET.ORG Subject: Re: ARTICLE FROM LATIMES Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:07:53 PDT X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Namaste, I am sorry to write this but I would like to give you one of the sources where this could have come from. If you read volume 5 of 'The complete work of Swami Vivekananda' chapter on 'The east and the west' then reading this LA Times article would make some connection. Again I wanted to point out the source for our knowledge that these things do exist in some of the books written by our people and could be shocking to most of us. Regards, Shyam Tiwari >From ghen@www10.clever.net Wed Jul 15 16:52:25 1998 >Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) id TAA15402; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:47:35 -0400 (EDT) >Message-ID: >Date: 15 Jul 1998 16:42:25 -0600 >From: "Jitendra Goel" >Subject: Re: ARTICLE FROM LATIMES >To: vhpgc-l@HINDUNET.ORG >X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.3d2 >X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >Reply-To: vhpgc-l@HINDUNET.ORG >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Mime-Version: 1.0 > > 7/15/98 > 4:41 PM > RE>ARTICLE FROM LATIMES > >Bandhuwar, >The following article appeared in LA Times last week.I personally feel it is absolutely absurd and was quite offended by it. We from LA area have had several discussions with the editor of LA Times including Mr. Charles Perry, and got them to realize that the contents of their article are totally wrong. I had an rebut article written by Dr. Chelvapilla, which after much discussions they have agreed to publish. It appeared in today's paper. >I will like to urge you to please write to LA Times and express your views about it. If they get many letters about the inaccuracy of the article, they will think twice before publishing any anti-Hindu material. >All the contact phone numbers including their E-Mail address is provided below. > > > >Charles Perry,a staff writer of the food section of Los Angeles Times wrote this article under Folklore-Non-Veg India in food section. > > Americans sometimes have an exaggerated idea of how vegetarian India >is.Vegetarians predominate in some castes and regions,but probably most >Indians eat meat.....when they can afford it,which might not be often. >Meat- eating has been common throughout the Indian History.It is >mentioned in epic poems such as Ramayana,in which Sita,consort of the >god Rama,favors a dish of meat cooked with rice. >The Aryans,who introduced the Sanskrit language and Vedic scriptures to >India about 3500 years ago, were cattle herders and their preferred way >of showing honor to the guest was slaughtering a cow, something many >Hindus would consider a shocking sin today. Goghna, a Sanskrit word >for guest , literally means one for whom a cow is killed . In fact, >for centuries it was obligatory to make a gift of beef to a Brahmin >priest (the caste that is most likely to be vegetarian today) at a >shraddha, or memorial ceremony for the dead. The Kurma Purana, is >scripture from AD 300 to 500, went so far as to say that if you don t >eat meat at a shraddha you will be born as an animal. > Vegetarianism had always existing in India, though, and it got a boost >in the fifth century BC when the Buddha advised his followers not to >kill animals for food. (It was the killing, not the eating, which was >the sin, in Buddhism, and even monks were permitted to eat meat as long >as they hadn t killed the animal or had someone else kill it for them. >The only Indian religion that has always been rigorously vegetarian is >Jainism.) > Thereafter a revulsion against meat-eating gradually spread among >Hindus, starting with the Brahmin caste. It s often said that it was >based on the belief that the animal you eat might be a reincarnated >relative, but that was only one reason offered in India. Meat involved >the sin of killing, for starters, and it was also condemned as impure by >nature, causing bad dreams and lustful thoughts and eating was >considered a crude, uncultured thing to do. > >[This article shows a picture of a sitting Buddha. The phone number of >Charles Perry is 213-237 7806 and the Food Section Editor is Laurie >Ochoa at 213-237-4638. The Times Food department fax number is >213-237-7355. Their email is: food@latimes.com or you can write directly to the editor at Davilynn.Furlow@latimes.com ] > > > > >------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ >Received: by qmail4.sp.trw.com with ADMIN;25 Jun 1998 05:38:04 -0700 >Received: from www10.clever.net (www10.clever.net [209.25.19.1]) > by mail-relay2.trw.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA25613 > for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 05:30:47 -0700 (PDT) >Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) id IAA15456; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 08:26:08 -0400 (EDT) >From: Pallod@aol.com >Message-ID: <6d273a7d.35924165@aol.com> >Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 08:24:04 EDT >To: VHPGC-L@HINDUNET.ORG >Cc: HRTALK@HINDUNET.ORG >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Subject: Christians blast VHP >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 >X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >Reply-To: vhpgc-l@HINDUNET.ORG >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by mail-relay2.trw.com id FAA25613 > > > >------------------------------ >Date: 6/25/98 5:38 AM >To: Goel, Jitendra >From: vhpgc-l@HINDUNET.ORG > > > > > >_____________________________ >For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From pandyahc@juno.com Thu Jul 16 11:26:36 1998 To: vhpgc-l@HINDUNET.ORG Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:18:02 -0400 Subject: Re: ARTICLE FROM LATIMES Message-ID: <19980716.111804.3246.1.pandyahc@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,5-7,9-127 From: pandyahc@juno.com (Harish C Pandya) X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Bandhuvar Jitendra Ji, Jai Sri Ram. >From your wright up I have not been able to make out on which day and in which edition the article appeared. I am sure you have the paper, could you send me the required information to facilitate me to write to the editor of LA Times. Harish Pandya On 15 Jul 1998 16:42:25 -0600 "Jitendra Goel" writes: > >7/15/98 > >4:41 PM > RE>ARTICLE FROM LATIMES > >Bandhuwar, >The following article appeared in LA Times last week.I personally feel >it is absolutely absurd and was quite offended by it. We from LA area >have had several discussions with the editor of LA Times including Mr. >Charles Perry, and got them to realize that the contents of their >article are totally wrong. I had an rebut article written by Dr. >Chelvapilla, which after much discussions they have agreed to publish. >It appeared in today's paper. >I will like to urge you to please write to LA Times and express your >views about it. If they get many letters about the inaccuracy of the >article, they will think twice before publishing any anti-Hindu >material. >All the contact phone numbers including their E-Mail address is >provided below. > > > >Charles Perry,a staff writer of the food section of Los Angeles Times >wrote this article under Folklore-Non-Veg India in food section. > > Americans sometimes have an exaggerated idea of how vegetarian >India >is.Vegetarians predominate in some castes and regions,but probably >most >Indians eat meat.....when they can afford it,which might not be often. >Meat- eating has been common throughout the Indian History.It is >mentioned in epic poems such as Ramayana,in which Sita,consort of the >god Rama,favors a dish of meat cooked with rice. >The Aryans,who introduced the Sanskrit language and Vedic scriptures >to >India about 3500 years ago, were cattle herders and their preferred >way >of showing honor to the guest was slaughtering a cow, something many >Hindus would consider a shocking sin today. Goghna, a Sanskrit word >for guest , literally means one for whom a cow is killed . In fact, >for centuries it was obligatory to make a gift of beef to a Brahmin >priest (the caste that is most likely to be vegetarian today) at a >shraddha, or memorial ceremony for the dead. The Kurma Purana, is >scripture from AD 300 to 500, went so far as to say that if you don t >eat meat at a shraddha you will be born as an animal. > Vegetarianism had always existing in India, though, and it got >a boost >in the fifth century BC when the Buddha advised his followers not to >kill animals for food. (It was the killing, not the eating, which was >the sin, in Buddhism, and even monks were permitted to eat meat as >long >as they hadn t killed the animal or had someone else kill it for them. >The only Indian religion that has always been rigorously vegetarian is >Jainism.) > Thereafter a revulsion against meat-eating gradually spread >among >Hindus, starting with the Brahmin caste. It s often said that it was >based on the belief that the animal you eat might be a reincarnated >relative, but that was only one reason offered in India. Meat involved >the sin of killing, for starters, and it was also condemned as impure >by >nature, causing bad dreams and lustful thoughts and eating was >considered a crude, uncultured thing to do. > >[This article shows a picture of a sitting Buddha. The phone number of >Charles Perry is 213-237 7806 and the Food Section Editor is Laurie >Ochoa at 213-237-4638. The Times Food department fax number is >213-237-7355. Their email is: food@latimes.com or you can write >directly to the editor at Davilynn.Furlow@latimes.com ] > > > > >------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ >Received: by qmail4.sp.trw.com with ADMIN;25 Jun 1998 05:38:04 -0700 >Received: from www10.clever.net (www10.clever.net [209.25.19.1]) > by mail-relay2.trw.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA25613 > for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 >05:30:47 -0700 (PDT) >Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) id >IAA15456; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 08:26:08 -0400 (EDT) >From: Pallod@aol.com >Message-ID: <6d273a7d.35924165@aol.com> >Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 08:24:04 EDT >To: VHPGC-L@HINDUNET.ORG >Cc: HRTALK@HINDUNET.ORG >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Subject: Christians blast VHP >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 >X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >Reply-To: vhpgc-l@HINDUNET.ORG >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by >mail-relay2.trw.com id FAA25613 > > > >------------------------------ >Date: 6/25/98 5:38 AM >To: Goel, Jitendra >From: vhpgc-l@HINDUNET.ORG > > > > > >_____________________________ >For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: >owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >Comments and questions are welcome, use: >owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Pallod@aol.com Thu Jul 16 19:32:48 1998 From: Pallod@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:32:05 EDT To: VHPGC-L@HINDUNET.ORG Cc: hsc-family@HINDUNET.ORG, hrinfo@stallion.jsums.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: News about HSS camp Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namashkar, I have recently been to SSV. It was a great experience. Press release has been done by youngster. Sangha Shiksha Varg held on West Coast for first time By - Abhijana Trivedi "This camp has been the best of all" was a generalized statement made my most all participants in Hindu Swayamsevak Sangh’s (HSS) 3rd annual Sangha Shiksha Varg (SSV) held for the first time in California. It took place between the days of Sunday, June 27th and Sunday, July 5th at the Coloma Resort in Coloma, CA, 30 miles north of Sacramento. The camp, held at Vraj Bhoomi in Schuykill Haven, PA prior to this year’s took on some many new and interesting memories for many. HSS has been compared to Rashtria Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) in Bharat. RSS was started in 1925 by Dr. Keshav Baliram Hedgewar. It’s mission is to first unite the entire Hindu society, and eventually ennoble the world (Krunvanto Vishwamaryam). HSS has similar goals. HSS has held camps since 1991, but didn’t actually hold a 7 days SSV, or an Instructor’s Training Camp until 1996. The camps are open to all Hindus over the age of 13 who want to learn to become an instructor. The youth are focused upon, but many adults also come. This year, many participants attended from all over the US, as well as other parts of the world. Of the participants, there were over 20 youths, which came from places such as New York, New Jersey, Illinois, Georgia, Florida, California, and Texas. One of them, a young man named Prabhat, when asked about what he thought of the camp replied, "This year's camp was such an experience because of the change of scenery and I thought I wouldn’t have had as good of a time, but I got so close to all of the people within one week. It was amazing!" Another youth, a 16 year old named Gouri said, "HSS camp is a place of learning where eminent Hindus gather to impart their values to us. It is a place of inspiration where you meet and interact with like-minded, hardworking kids who share the same visions and goals. It is also a place of opportunity to teach and to be taught." The SSV encountered many new firsts. For the first time, people over the age of 50 had their own group. Also, the participants were taught to march, in preparation for their own parade. Ghosh, or marching band was also taught, which delighted many. The participants had to undergo a grueling schedule, waking up at 5:15 AM to go to shaka, an exercise-focused activity. After showering and eating breakfast, the participants went to two sessions of baudhik, or lecture and discussion groups. Then there was lunch and rest time. After that, there was a workshop session, followed by afternoon shaka, dinner, and the last baudhik session. The schedule ended at 10:15 PM. The baudhiks were given primarily by Shripathi Shastry, Saha-Baudhik Pramukh of RSS. The topics included the history of the partition of Bharat, biographies of freedom fighters, and the history of RSS. Other speakers included Sir David Frawley, who has been fascinated with the Vedas since his childhood, and Yashwant Pathak, a full time volunteer, or prachaarak from Bharat. Also during the duration of the camp, the participants learned two Rashtra geets, or songs. They were Hindu bhoomi kee hum santaan and Vyakti Vyakti me jage. The participants all practiced for the demonstration on Saturday. They found their talents, and focused on them during shaka. Some of them included ni- yudh, or karate, dand, or martial arts with a long stick, yog-chaap, or lezimes, ghosh, and samata, or marching and commands. The participants got really involved with it. The camp’s main focus was to train people to run a shaka in their own town. Currently, there are about 45 shakas in the US. The camp was not for first timers, but for people of different experience levels. There were different groups for people who had attended SSV twice before, once before and never, as well as a sevika group (for women). On Saturday, July 4th, the participants marched into town for a special parade before their demonstration. The demonstration definitely proved successful, as the participants showed off their talents to the people only staying for the weekend. That night, there was a cultural night full of fun and laughs. There were dances, skits, and songs performed by the participants. Youth participant Vijay Sidhwani coordinated the event and proved to be a very entertaining master of ceremonies. The last day, Sunday July 5th ended shortly in the morning. Many tearful and heartfelt good-byes were said, and the camp ended around 11:00 AM. One girl wouldn’t stop crying for the last two days. Another girl started repeating "I’ll miss you guys" from the 3rd day on. But, as tearful as everyone was, all looked forward to next year’s SSV by saying, "See you in Houston." _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From HHParikh@aol.com Thu Jul 16 23:46:09 1998 From: HHParikh@aol.com Message-ID: <522686ab.35aec8d1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 23:45:20 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Messages to GC members Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Dear Renuji, My self my family and from VHP Conn. Chapter, we offer our prayers for eternal peace to papaji soul & may God give you and your entire family all the strength during this time. It was wounderfully shared by you a departure of your papaji and brought us closer to him. Brotherly, Hasit Parikh _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Jitendra_Goel@qmail4.nba.TRW.COM Mon Jul 20 15:34:25 1998 Message-ID: Date: 20 Jul 1998 12:31:47 -0600 From: "Jitendra Goel" Subject: Re: ARTICLE FROM LATIMES To: vhpgc-l@HINDUNET.ORG X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.3d2 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 7/20/98 12:28 PM RE>>ARTICLE FROM LATIMES Harish, The orignal article appeared in LA Times Food section on July 8th 1998.The rebut articles has been published. I feel we should let them know our feelings so that they will think twice before publishing such Anti-hindu articles. Regards Jitendra ------------------------------ Date: 7/16/98 8:34 AM To: Goel, Jitendra From: vhpgc-l@HINDUNET.ORG Bandhuvar Jitendra Ji, Jai Sri Ram. >From your wright up I have not been able to make out on which day and in which edition the article appeared. I am sure you have the paper, could you send me the required information to facilitate me to write to the editor of LA Times. Harish Pandya On 15 Jul 1998 16:42:25 -0600 "Jitendra Goel" writes: > >7/15/98 > >4:41 PM > RE>ARTICLE FROM LATIMES > >Bandhuwar, >The following article appeared in LA Times last week.I personally feel >it is absolutely absurd and was quite offended by it. We from LA area >have had several discussions with the editor of LA Times including Mr. >Charles Perry, and got them to realize that the contents of their >article are totally wrong. I had an rebut article written by Dr. >Chelvapilla, which after much discussions they have agreed to publish. >It appeared in today's paper. >I will like to urge you to please write to LA Times and express your >views about it. If they get many letters about the inaccuracy of the >article, they will think twice before publishing any anti-Hindu >material. >All the contact phone numbers including their E-Mail address is >provided below. > > > >Charles Perry,a staff writer of the food section of Los Angeles Times >wrote this article under Folklore-Non-Veg India in food section. > > Americans sometimes have an exaggerated idea of how vegetarian >India >is.Vegetarians predominate in some castes and regions,but probably >most >Indians eat meat.....when they can afford it,which might not be often. >Meat- eating has been common throughout the Indian History.It is >mentioned in epic poems such as Ramayana,in which Sita,consort of the >god Rama,favors a dish of meat cooked with rice. >The Aryans,who introduced the Sanskrit language and Vedic scriptures >to >India about 3500 years ago, were cattle herders and their preferred >way >of showing honor to the guest was slaughtering a cow, something many >Hindus would consider a shocking sin today. Goghna, a Sanskrit word >for guest , literally means one for whom a cow is killed . In fact, >for centuries it was obligatory to make a gift of beef to a Brahmin >priest (the caste that is most likely to be vegetarian today) at a >shraddha, or memorial ceremony for the dead. The Kurma Purana, is >scripture from AD 300 to 500, went so far as to say that if you don t >eat meat at a shraddha you will be born as an animal. > Vegetarianism had always existing in India, though, and it got >a boost >in the fifth century BC when the Buddha advised his followers not to >kill animals for food. (It was the killing, not the eating, which was >the sin, in Buddhism, and even monks were permitted to eat meat as >long >as they hadn t killed the animal or had someone else kill it for them. >The only Indian religion that has always been rigorously vegetarian is >Jainism.) > Thereafter a revulsion against meat-eating gradually spread >among >Hindus, starting with the Brahmin caste. It s often said that it was >based on the belief that the animal you eat might be a reincarnated >relative, but that was only one reason offered in India. Meat involved >the sin of killing, for starters, and it was also condemned as impure >by >nature, causing bad dreams and lustful thoughts and eating was >considered a crude, uncultured thing to do. > >[This article shows a picture of a sitting Buddha. The phone number of >Charles Perry is 213-237 7806 and the Food Section Editor is Laurie >Ochoa at 213-237-4638. The Times Food department fax number is >213-237-7355. Their email is: food@latimes.com or you can write >directly to the editor at Davilynn.Furlow@latimes.com ] > > > > >------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ >Received: by qmail4.sp.trw.com with ADMIN;25 Jun 1998 05:38:04 -0700 >Received: from www10.clever.net (www10.clever.net [209.25.19.1]) > by mail-relay2.trw.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA25613 > for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 >05:30:47 -0700 (PDT) >Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) id >IAA15456; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 08:26:08 -0400 (EDT) >From: Pallod@aol.com >Message-ID: <6d273a7d.35924165@aol.com> >Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 08:24:04 EDT >To: VHPGC-L@HINDUNET.ORG >Cc: HRTALK@HINDUNET.ORG >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Subject: Christians blast VHP >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 >X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >Reply-To: vhpgc-l@HINDUNET.ORG >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by >mail-relay2.trw.com id FAA25613 > > > >------------------------------ >Date: 6/25/98 5:38 AM >To: Goel, Jitendra >From: vhpgc-l@HINDUNET.ORG > > > > > >_____________________________ >For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: >owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >Comments and questions are welcome, use: >owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by qmail4.sp.trw.com with ADMIN;16 Jul 1998 08:33:08 -0700 Received: from www10.clever.net (www10.clever.net [209.25.19.1]) by mail-relay2.trw.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA00232 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:29:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) id LAA11352; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:26:53 -0400 (EDT) To: vhpgc-l@HINDUNET.ORG Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:18:02 -0400 Subject: Re: ARTICLE FROM LATIMES Message-ID: <19980716.111804.3246.1.pandyahc@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,5-7,9-127 From: pandyahc@juno.com (Harish C Pandya) X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@HINDUNET.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ameya@worldnet.att.net Wed Jul 22 01:51:14 1998 From: "Vaiju Vijay Ruikar" To: Subject: Re: Messages to GC members Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 22:46:45 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980722054656.CYIH4984@default> X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Aadaraniya Smt. Renu bahen: Namaste. Please accept heartiest condolences from me and my wife on your loss. Since I lost my mother almost three years ago, I can share the bereavement that you must feel upon the shedding of the mortal body by your father. Perhaps, the thoughts that helped me cope may give you also some relief. We Hindus do not think of the passing from the mortal body as "destruction". It is the next step in the eternal journey of the Jeevatma towards the Para Brahman. I believe that God came to this earth in the form of my mother(indeed in the form of all mothers and fathers) to give me his infinite love. When we the children grow up enough to sustain ourselves in our onward march towards Him in his original form of the Para Brahman, His "avatara karya" in the form of our parents is over, and He reverts to His original form. With Pranaams to your father's sacred memory, Vijay G. Ruikar ---------- > From: Vartalapa@aol.com > To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Subject: Re: Messages to GC members > Date: Monday, July 13, 1998 11:23 AM > > Namaskaar, > I had to go back to Bharat , as my father passed away on May 24th. Since I am > an only child my responsibility to my mother is foremost now. However, papa > went not only peacefully but also amazingly ! Since Jan to May 98 he met all > of us right down to his great - grandchildren. My son, his only grandson, had > arrived 5 days earlier. So he was able to do all Sanskars -- my father's wish > was that I, his daughter should do them. But in my absence Pramit should be > the one. We always wondered how this will be accomplished being so far away ! > Not only this, he did 40 minutes of meditation & his 40 year long routine of > japa too. He went to Chandigarh on the 19th to do a legal case for Tribune - > worked till one day before his physical body came to an end! I share this with > you because GC is like a family, also so often we hear of painful happenings, > where as this one has left us,my papa Shree Jagmohan Singh Sophat's family > peaceful & with a stronger faith in prayers. This I consider to be his > greatest gift to me. > With best wishes, > Renu S Malhotra > > _____________________________ > For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Pallod@aol.com Sat Jul 25 15:56:33 1998 From: Pallod@aol.com Message-ID: <7779a9ce.35ba3846@aol.com> Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 15:55:49 EDT To: VHPGC-L@HINDUNET.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: VHP-camp in Houston Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namashkar I am pleased to inform that Houston youth camp is starting this week. This year we have to close registration 10 days early. We can accomidate only 100 campers. Our camp has become very popular in Houston. In the past we used to request parents to send their kids to our camp. Now parents are requesting to accomidate their kids. Vijay Pallod _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From jlakhia@umich.edu Mon Jul 27 21:41:32 1998 From: "Jwalant Lakhia" To: Cc: Subject: Addition to our Family!! Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 21:44:17 -0400 Message-ID: <000401bdb9c9$49689e40$7b026fc6@ppp.umd.umich.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namaskar: I want everyone to know that Lalithabhabhi and Ajaybhai, Haimantibhabhi and Kanchanbhai are proud parents now...Please join me in welcoming AKSHAY (Lalithabhabhi and Ajaybhai's son) and SINDHU (Haimantibhabhi and Kanchanbhai's son) to our parivaar. I wish them all the happiness in the world. Thank You, Jwalant Lakhia _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From AAgarwala@aol.com Mon Jul 27 22:19:09 1998 From: AAgarwala@aol.com Message-ID: <61a8e538.35bd34e9@aol.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 22:18:15 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Addition to our Family!! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Dear Kanchanbhai & Ajay bhai With great pleasure I congratulate both of you to be proud father. I hope Haimanti Bahen and Lalitha Bahen are doing well and also hope that SINDHU & AKSHAY are doing fine too. Please accept my hearty congratulations once again and Poonam also joins me in wishing you the same. Anand _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From srtiwari@hotmail.com Mon Jul 27 22:31:07 1998 Message-ID: <19980728023037.18479.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [170.140.251.35] From: "shyam tiwari" To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Addition to our Family!! Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 19:30:36 PDT X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Namaste, c o n g r a t u l a t i o n s. Excellent news. Shyam Tiwari >From ghen@www10.clever.net Mon Jul 27 18:45:48 1998 >Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) id VAA20111; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 21:41:38 -0400 (EDT) >From: "Jwalant Lakhia" >To: >Cc: >Subject: Addition to our Family!! >Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 21:44:17 -0400 >Message-ID: <000401bdb9c9$49689e40$7b026fc6@ppp.umd.umich.edu> >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >X-Priority: 3 (Normal) >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 >Importance: Normal >In-Reply-To: >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 >X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > >Namaskar: > >I want everyone to know that Lalithabhabhi and Ajaybhai, Haimantibhabhi and >Kanchanbhai are proud parents now...Please join me in welcoming AKSHAY >(Lalithabhabhi and Ajaybhai's son) and SINDHU (Haimantibhabhi and >Kanchanbhai's son) to our parivaar. I wish them all the happiness in the >world. > >Thank You, > >Jwalant Lakhia > > >_____________________________ >For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From HHParikh@aol.com Mon Jul 27 23:11:21 1998 From: HHParikh@aol.com Message-ID: <3d2f7271.35bd4136@aol.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 23:10:45 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Addition to our Family!! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org CONGRATULATION TO Kanchanji & Ajaybhai on th ocassion of becoming proud parents. Our best wishes to mom and love to the new born. Best regards, Hasit- Taru & Family VHP Conn Chapt. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From mihir@eyepiece.com Tue Jul 28 07:23:25 1998 Message-ID: <000e01bdba1a$805c71a0$83c4430c@meghanis> From: "Mihir Meghani" To: "VHP GC List" Subject: congrats Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 22:45:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Congratulations to Lalitha and Ajay, and Haimanti and Kanchan, just for the record - Akshay is older than Sindhu. Welcome to these new members of our family, and future members (to start with !) ... _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From nandsharma@algw2.lucent.com Tue Jul 28 13:07:35 1998 Message-ID: <2F41EC6A0B65D11181C30000C0F6F8E6104AFF@ma0940exch003u.mv.lucent.com> From: "Sharma, Nand K (Nand)" To: "'vhpgc-l@hindunet.org'" Cc: hsc-cc@hindunet.org Subject: RE: Addition to our Family!! Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 13:04:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kanchan and Haimanti & Ajay and Lalitha Hearty Congratulations. Well Done. Hope everyone involved in the process is doing well. Our best wishes are with you. The Sharma Family > ---------- > From: Jwalant Lakhia[SMTP:jlakhia@umich.edu] > Sent: Monday, July 27, 1998 9:44 PM > To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Cc: hsc-cc@hindunet.org > Subject: Addition to our Family!! > > Namaskar: > > I want everyone to know that Lalithabhabhi and Ajaybhai, Haimantibhabhi > and > Kanchanbhai are proud parents now...Please join me in welcoming AKSHAY > (Lalithabhabhi and Ajaybhai's son) and SINDHU (Haimantibhabhi and > Kanchanbhai's son) to our parivaar. I wish them all the happiness in the > world. > > Thank You, > > Jwalant Lakhia > > > _____________________________ > For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > > _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From BGajjar@aol.com Tue Jul 28 18:05:57 1998 From: BGajjar@aol.com Message-ID: <983011df.35be4916@aol.com> Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 17:56:36 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Addition to our Family!! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Dear Ajaybhai,Haimantiben,Kanchanbhai Congratulations Bharat Gajjar _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From VICHARAK@aol.com Tue Jul 28 20:40:20 1998 From: VICHARAK@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 20:39:47 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Addition to our Family!! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org July 28, 1998 Dear Ajay & Lalithabhaen: Kanchan & Haimantibahen: We, in Vaishnav family are extremely happy to hear the good news. In American parlance, it is a double-header! Asha and I wish all six of you all that is Shreya (no equivalent word in English); may Akshay and Snide surpass dedication of their parents to the Hindu cause and become torchbearers of the next generation of Hindus in this country. We also congratulate you on selection of very thought provoking names. Akshay - will always grow in every field of life-he has no 'kshaya'; Sindhu will be as broad hearted as the 'pratah smaraneeya Sindhu River' and will always remind us of the glorious past that BharatVarsha lived on its banks. Wishing good health to Lalithabahen, Haimantibahen, Akshay and Sindhu, Brotherly yours, Gaurang (& Asha) _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From JParekh37@aol.com Tue Jul 28 23:46:01 1998 From: JParekh37@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 23:44:17 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Addition to family Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org CONGRATULATIONS! Kanchan & Haimantiben and Ajayji & Lalithaben. We welcome Sindhu and Akshaya to the Parivar. Both the names are excellent choice. May God bless both the new born and shower with all the joy in life. Parekh Family _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Jitendra_Goel@qmail4.nba.TRW.COM Wed Jul 29 17:34:06 1998 Message-ID: Date: 29 Jul 1998 14:26:37 -0600 From: "Jitendra Goel" Subject: Re: Addition to our Family!! To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.3d2 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Lalithabhabhi and Ajaybhai, Haimantibhabhi and Kanchanbhai, Congratulations! Jitendra ------------------------------ Date: 7/27/98 6:46 PM To: Goel, Jitendra From: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namaskar: I want everyone to know that Lalithabhabhi and Ajaybhai, Haimantibhabhi and Kanchanbhai are proud parents now...Please join me in welcoming AKSHAY (Lalithabhabhi and Ajaybhai's son) and SINDHU (Haimantibhabhi and Kanchanbhai's son) to our parivaar. I wish them all the happiness in the world. Thank You, Jwalant Lakhia _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by qmail4.sp.trw.com with ADMIN;27 Jul 1998 18:45:13 -0700 Received: from www10.clever.net (www10.clever.net [209.25.19.1]) by mail-relay1.trw.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA06594 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 18:42:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) id VAA20115; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 21:41:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jwalant Lakhia" To: Cc: Subject: Addition to our Family!! Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 21:44:17 -0400 Message-ID: <000401bdb9c9$49689e40$7b026fc6@ppp.umd.umich.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Pallod@aol.com Fri Jul 31 19:37:19 1998 From: Pallod@aol.com Message-ID: <223548ca.35c254b8@aol.com> Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 19:35:19 EDT To: hrinfo@stallion.jsums.edu Cc: Khanderao_Kand@arborsoft.com (Khanderao Kand), VHPGC-L@HINDUNET.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: HSS camp article in India West Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namashkar, Nice article about HSS camp in California Vijay Pallod "Nigahon se bachkar kidhar jayega/ Jidhar jayega tu mujhe payega. (Where will you go avoiding my glance? Wherever you go, you'll find me). The Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh is omnipresent." -- Shripathi Shastri, member of the RSS central executive committee, in a lecture at the HSS trainee camp. By ASHFAQUE SWAPAN Special to India-West COLOMA, Calif. -- At the crack of dawn, under a large marquee a diverse age group of Indian Americans arranged themselves into neat rows as the shrill sound of a whistle pierced the early morning air. As the raging waters of the American river noisily flowed by barely a hundred yards away, rows of participants stood on attention before the ceremonial hoisting of a saffron flag at this sylvan camp situated between Sacramento and Placerville. About 150 trainees, ranging from 12 to 78 years in age, attended the Hindu Swayamsevak Sangh annual trainees' camp, organizers said. Although officially completely separate from the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, in goals and ideals, in activities and organization, HSS is closely modeled after the similarly named RSS. Many of its key organizers were associated with the RSS when they were in India, top-level RSS organizers keep in close touch and liaise with HSS activities and many of the rituals and prayers of the two organizations are identical. At this Shiksha Varga, the HSS seven-day camp June 29-July 5, on hand was Shripathi Shastri, a Pune-based historian who sits on the 20-member RSS central executive committee. "The Hindu Swayamsevak Sangh is not a direct affiliate of RSS, but informally we share the ideology," he told India-West. "(The RSS is) sort of a parent body, you can say. (The) constitution is different, finances are different, leadership is different. What is common is a common dream and a common ideology." This ideology springs from a passionate desire to bring together Hindus, "to see that once again, a community sense is aroused and also to inculcate a feeling that they are one people having a common heritage, common religious tradition," as Shastri put it. In that respect, HSS does seem a more apt name than RSS, for although the word rashtriya means national, the thrust of RSS activist Shastri's comments centered on uniting, mobilizing and rejuvenating Hindus. The meticulous organization and painstaking attention to detail, which is the hallmark of the RSS in India, was evident in the HSS camp as well, as was its patriotic zeal. It is a distinctively RSS-inspired patriotism, however: While pride in India was exhorted with portraits of Indian heroes, India's greatest icon of freedom was conspicuous by his absence. Amid portraits of Shivaji, Rana Pratap, Lakshmi Jhansi Rani and Bhagat Singh, the most recognized, and arguably best loved, figure of independence -- Mahatma Gandhi -- was nowhere to be seen. Nor was Gandhi mentioned in the daily unity prayer -- ekatmata stotra -- which mentions a long list of gods, historic figures as well as fairly recent leaders like Rammohun Roy, Tagore, Netaji Subhas Bose and Vivekananda. The campsite bore the handiwork of the camp organizers. Rooms named after John Muir, Jane Goodall and Henry David Thoreau now temporarily paid homage to Guru Govind Singh, Veer Savarkar and Chanakya, and the huge marquee was surrounded by a profusion of hanging posters describing some of the philanthropic activities of RSS-inspired organizations. Posters from Sanskriti Bharati, an RSS affiliate, extolled ancient Indian glory in mathematics, geometry and metallurgy. The camp was modeled after annual RSS Officer Training Camps, but it's shorter in duration and less rigorous. In India, RSS is an all-male organization, but here HSS has had to make allowances: young teenage girls were participants as well, and couples who were working as volunteers were allowed to bring along their children. But the dawn-to-dusk packed schedule was reminiscent of the RSS camps in India -- a full-day's schedule packed with physical activities, and lecture schedules where instructors spoke on topics like history, Hindu identity, the life of RSS founder K.B. Hedgewar. The HSS began informally in the early 1980s in the U.S. and the organization was formalized in 1989, said Manohar Shinde, a Los Angeles-based psychiatrist who runs an HSS chapter there. "In early '90s, '93-'94 onwards, there has been quite a significant growth and expansion, facilitated by a few youngsters giving up their professions and coming out as full-time workers," Shinde said. Today HSS has about 40 shakhas in the U.S., and it has more elaborate plans for the future. After hosting an annual trainee camp for the past two years, HSS is hosting several camps in the U.S. this year. Outside the U.S., HSS activists are working in the Caribbean, where a camp will be hosted in Guyana, which Shastri will attend. The HSS-RSS mission owes a considerable debt to activists willing to make substantial commitment in time and effort, sometimes going for a full-time stint. Shinde -- who had been with the RSS in India since middle school -- years ago went back to India after finishing his residency in the U.S. and spent three years as a full-time RSS pracharak in Chennai. Srikanth Konda, an Atlanta-based software engineer who attended the camp, has been working for HSS full-time since last June. The Hyderabad-born activist has been in the Caribbean spreading the HSS message assiduously in Trinidad and Guyana. Now there are seven shakhas in Trinidad and seven more in Guyana. Or take the case of camp participant Kalyan Raman, a cheerful, 58-year-old former Asian Development Bank employee. His passionate beliefs may raise a few eyebrows -- but he has absolutely no doubt about his assertions and he has spent considerable time and money researching his pet project. Today he is associated with the Chennai-based Saraswati Research Center, and he is convinced, among other things, that the mythical Saraswati River actually flows underground, and the Dravidian and Aryan languages are actually offshoots of the same language, and he says that the notion that these are two originally separate languages "is a myth created by uninformed linguists." Of course, the source of inspiration for HSS activities is the success of the RSS in India, and Shastri presented some mind-boggling figures. "Today we are having some 50,000 branches in the country, shakhas," he said, not without a touch of pride. "Practically there is no province, there is no district in a province or perhaps a taluka in a district except in the mountainous regions where RSS does not function. It has spread to the nook and corner of the country. "We want to exercise influence on all the aspects of national and social life. We have made a beginning. To some extent in the political life, to some extent in the religious life, we exercise some influence. It is ideological and moral, not institutional -- that should also be kept in mind." The RSS runs 11,000 schools, and RSS activists are involved 8,000 different activities, he said. Each year, the RSS hosts rigorous 20-day training camps and Shastri attended several in Punjab this year, and the organization recruits at least 10,000 activists each year. About 1.2 million people are deeply involved in RSS activities, he said, and in 35,000 of the 50,000 shakhas in India, some daily activity takes place. Yet for all its skills of organization and dedication, critics charge that the RSS is a divisive force with its exclusive Hindu ethos in a diverse country like India, and this criticism has been particularly sharp since the Babri mosque was demolished in Ayodhya in 1992. "I will not hesitate to accept that our discipline could not be exercised fully there," Shastri conceded, referring to the Ayodhya debacle. "And all of them were not RSS people. It was a heterogeneous group. The devotion to Ram was the only one binding factor. It was an explosive situation." He blamed the erstwhile Congress government for the demolition, and said it was "ungentlemanly" of other parties to blame the Sangh Parivar for the demolition. "The way it was removed was unfortunate. Sooner or later it ought to have given place for a Ram temple. Force was applied, that was unfortunate. That was not originally in the scheme of RSS things." As for critics' charge that the RSS is anti-Muslim, Shastri is blunt in his response. "We have not decided our attitude," he said. "We have made a prescription of a particular criterion which normally every healthy country makes. That is: What is the attitude of say RSS or Sangh towards Muslims? That depends upon what is the attitude of Muslims towards the country. "If the Muslim considers this country as their own motherland their fatherland, their land of reverence, automatically they become our brothers. "If any particular religious community feels that they have nothing to do with this country except domicile, that they live in these country as guests -- that's the best term I can use -- then of course, the guest will be a guest and not a master. "RSS should not be accused of being it is against this religion. Hindu itself is not one religion. It is a conglomeration of various religions." When asked whether RSS welcomed non-Hindus to its organization, Shastri's response was circumspect. "We envisage a future when those people who follow outside the Hindu fold as such will be having responsibility in the organization. "We expect that a time will come (when) these people who are outside this fold, they will also join the parliament of religions, and they will also occupy an honored place without giving up anything -- if anything is to be given up at all just a psychology of looking at the country. "That psychological change has not happened yet." _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Pallod@aol.com Sat Aug 1 16:26:10 1998 From: Pallod@aol.com Message-ID: <111daef7.35c379c1@aol.com> Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 16:25:36 EDT To: VHPGC-L@HINDUNET.ORG Cc: kulkarni@hal-pc.org (Beth Kulkarni), sangam@giasdl01.vsnl.net.in Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Summit of Hindu spiritual leaders slated Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namashkar, India Abroad coverage about VHPA . If any one interested in doing media work please let me know at Pallod@aol.com The Vishwa Hindu Parishad of America is orgonizing a summit of Hindu spirtual leaders in the westerrn Hempishere next month to focus attention on the issues of concern of Hindu communities in these countries. The Summit, to be held at Arsha Vidhya Peetham, the ashram of Swami Dayananda Saraswati, in Pennsylvania on Aug.22 and 23, will establish a Dharama Sansad, an apex body of the spirtual leaders in the hemisphere, a parishad release said. Hindus reside in almost all countries of the hemisphere, the biggest concentrtion being in Canada, the United States, Guyana, Trinidad and Tobago,Surinam, Brazil and Argentina, The release said. The sansad, which will meet at least once a year in the ashram of one of the saints, can guide the Hindu communities in hemisphere to meet the challenges faced by them, lethe Hindu wy of life and preserve the rich cultural heritage, according to Dr.Mahesh Mehta, former president of the parishad. Expected to bring together sants,swamis,gurus and acharays from various spirtual traditions of the Hindu faith, the summit will assess various issues and suggest possible solutions to various Hindu communities unique needs. Those who have confirmed their participation include Dr. Pranavbhai Padyaji, Swami Dayanda Saaswatiji, Swami Hariprasadji, Swami Chidananda Sarraswati(muniji), Amarendra Muniji and Swamini Meera Deviji. Among those attending from India will be Ashok Singhal , president of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad, the release said. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Vartalapa@aol.com Mon Aug 3 11:46:32 1998 From: Vartalapa@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:45:58 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: THANK YOU. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Please accept my thanks for your kind words on my father's passing away . Your care helped. Gaurang bhai, Nand ji, Mihir,Anand ji, Yashpal bhai, Hasit ji for Connecticut chapter, Virender bhai, Ruikar ji, Ajay, Garg ji, Sodhani ji & Mahesh bhai.If I missed anyone please forgive. Hope to see you at AVP. Renu S Malhotra _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From VICHARAK@aol.com Tue Aug 4 07:18:07 1998 From: VICHARAK@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 07:17:14 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: GC meeting with Ashokji Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org August 4, 1998 Dear Governing Council Members and Chapter Presidents/Coordinators: Namaste. You must have received my communication by the US mail. Since then, there has been a slight change. I had mentioned motel information etc. Now, with Swami Dayanandaji's grace, it is decided that all GC members (and their families, if accompanying) will stay at he Ashram facility on Saturday (Augst 22) night. However, it is imperative that Ashram management knows the actual number well in advance. Also, since we will be using Ashram facility as well as having our breakfast, lunch and dinner there, we would like to make an appropriate contribution to the Ashram. Therefore, we have decided on a 'Registration' fee' of $35 per person. You are welcome to donate more, if your heart desires. Please confirm your participation in the Dharma Samsad (Augst 22) and the GC meeting (August 23) with Shree Vimal Sodhani at (973) 334-5917 by August 11th at the latest. Also, please send your check for registration, made payable to VHP of America- Dharma Samsad '98 to him at 1 Princess St., Parsippany, NJ 07054. If you are flying-in, please let Vimalji know your itinery, if possible by a quick email (glocon@idt.net). If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to call Vimalji or myself (732-393-0183). Thank you. Brotherly yours, Gaurang P.S. (People coming from South of Cherry Hill, NJ and Philadelphia would find it time saving to come to the Ashram by taking I-476 North to I-78 East PA-33 North. (Please consult your map). _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From pandyahc@juno.com Tue Aug 4 12:19:23 1998 To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Cc: glocon@idt.net, mjmehta@aol.com Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:47:25 -0400 Subject: Re: GC meeting with Ashokji Message-ID: <19980804.121138.3222.0.pandyahc@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,6-8 From: pandyahc@juno.com (Harish C Pandya) X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Bandhuvar Gaurang ji, Jai Sri Ram. Thanks for your e-mail regarding staying at Arsha Vidya Gurukulam. I have other things to do after Dharm Sansad meeting. I will not be staying there. However, I wil be attending GC Meeting on August 23. Regarding registration I have already informed Vimal ji. I have not heard from him what is the fee for attendign Dharm Sansad. Brotherly yours. Harish Pandya _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Pallod@aol.com Tue Aug 4 18:53:33 1998 From: Pallod@aol.com Message-ID: <7d97395e.35c790cf@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 18:53:01 EDT To: VHPGC-L@HINDUNET.ORG Cc: hrinfo@stallion.jsums.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: VHPA youth camp in Houston Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namshkar We had another successful camp in Houston. Vijay Pallod itle: Youth and Hinduism Become One Author: Neel Patel (Age 17) Reviewed and edited (slightly) by Beth Kulkarni 281-366-4463 ___________________________________ Richmond, Tx.-- Surrounded by the woods of Richmond, Texas, 113 youth spe= nt five days from July 27 to August 2 at the Vishwa Hindu Parishad - America= Camp finding India and Hinduism. The camp began thirteen years ago because of the belief that, immersed in= mainstream culture, Hindu youth were forgetting their heritage. Religion = is the focus of the camp, with college students teaching students ranging fr= om age eight to eighteen about Hinduism. "I attended camp last year, and it = helped me find myself. It was the greatest religious experience I have ev= er had," said Shreeda Hansoty, a high school student. The daily three hour classes also included subjects like basic Hindu culture, geography, philosophy, and the use of Hindu images in mainstream media."The camp hel= ps us learn about topics that we don't discuss every day, such as the law of= karma and other things," said Rishi Bhutada. The camp does put a lot of emphasis on the education aspect, but that isn= 't the only thing the students do. From early rise they start out with their= daily exercise, participate in the recreational games and water activitie= s such as canoeing and swimming. At talent night they performed skits, and = the popular Raas Garba dances. Even though the camp is attended primarily= by youth from Houston, this year there were approximately 25 young people= from Oklahoma, Austin, Dallas, San Antonio, and Victoria. As the years go= by, V.H.P hopes to serve students from as many areas as possible. "I came= to camp for the first time this year, and I'm leaving feeling like I'm pa= rt of a family," said Jitna Bhagani, from San Antonio. This camp thrives on young, eager individuals who have at least some interest in the Hindu religion and culture. Reena Moza, whose parents are= from Kashmir believes that Hindu youth needs to know about their culture,= religion, and even the things going on in India. She was concerned a grea= t deal about the recent 15 killed in Kashmir and believes that we should be= able to do something about the continued violence in that region. "Starti= ng with children is the first step; we can not hide Hinduism but be proud of= it," said Reena Moza. Reena also feels that he Hindu Youth needs to be ready for the future, to be able to follow their parent=C6s foot steps, a= nd continue to spread the knowledge of Hinduism for generations to come. Although VHP-A is an organization composed of many people of various ages= , the camp is an organization run mainly by youth and for youth with the guidance of several adult members. This may not seem very extraordinary = until you actually visit the camp and see how well- organized it is and h= ow little the youth directors depend on adults for help. Shard Amin, long-ti= me adult volunteer, emphasizes that having an organization supported by you= th helps not only the directors themselves, but it also provides a more casu= al atmosphere for the campers. "We want to build a strong foundation for yo= uth of tomorrow," said Sharad Amin. There used to be time in the past where we struggled to get kids to join = the camp, and now the times have changed. Dinesh Shah, another adult volunteer, brought up a very important success statistic that this year t= he camp had a pre-registration for the 1999 camp and there were 56 young people signed up before the end of the day. The former youth counselors, now youth coordinators, worked hard to make = this camp happen. Starting the intense planning as early as December, the= y met with the new counselors and directors during Christmas vacation time,= and planned out everything as accurately as they possibly could. Now benefiting from their experience as campers, the counselors are ready to = share everything they learned with the future youth. Nimitt Patel, one of the camp co-directors mentions, that you can make a = life long friendship with the campers you meet, and every counselor here = was at one time a camper. "All of the counselors, Supratik, and I, worked as= a team, and it was that team effort that made this camp a success," said Nimitt Patel. Supratik Moulik, co-director, mentions that camp is a chan= ce to do something good, but because of the fact that it is only one week ou= t to the year, he hopes that it doesn't become their, "spiritual week" as oppose to a supplement to their continuous spiritual growth. "Camp is ju= st one stepping stone in a child's spiritual development. It is therefore th= e communities' duty to nurture every child development: physical, spiritual= , and intellectual." In no doubt is the total youth program a completely beneficial experience for the entire camp. On the last day of the camp, t= he parents and children were able to hear some inspiring words from various = people. The chief guest was Rajeev Gadgil, publisher of the India Herald, commend= ed the VHP-A camp on their excellent work in introducing Indian youth to the= ir culture. "What defines the camp is the breaking down of barriers of bein= g individualistic" according to Maneesh Mehra. He continued =F4Success is exposing young minds to ideas.=F6 Mehra, a camper since the first time th= e camp opened, and former camp co-director of the VHP-A camp, still visits = the camp every year. Amit Misra, an attorney and former camper, also shar= ed his beliefs about the camp. Amit Misra and Maneesh Mehra are good example= s of former campers, counselors, and directors who continue to participate = in the camp by volunteering their weekends to provide the campers with some = insight on the relation to Hinduism with the camp. The guest speakers are= always an essential aspect when working with youth because it gives them = a sense of self-assurance. The speakers feel that the least they can do is = encourage the accomplishments of the campers, counselors, and coordinator= s of the camp. VHP-A camp constructs the support of knowledge of Hinduism for Hindu yout= h, so that when the time comes, they will be able support their future in th= e same way. It brought the youth in from all over Texas to create a bond of= knowledge, a bond of unity, bond of inner strength, a bond that they have= never experienced, and make that bond such a great one that, when the tim= e came to give out good-byes, the bond was still there. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From MJMEHTA@aol.com Wed Aug 5 05:34:30 1998 From: MJMEHTA@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 05:33:33 EDT To: vhpgc-l@HINDUNET.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: VHPA youth camp in Houston Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Dear Neel and Vijay: I am delighted to hear about the Houston camp. We have to continue and build on this great spirit. Congratulations. Mahesh Mehta _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Pallod@aol.com Wed Aug 5 08:42:09 1998 From: Pallod@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 08:41:22 EDT To: VHPGC-L@HINDUNET.ORG Cc: hrinfo@stallion.jsums.edu, ashokvc@giasbm01.vsnl.net.in (Ashok Chowgule), kulkarni@hal-pc.org (Beth Kulkarni) Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Dharma Sansad article by Kalyani Giri(Indoamerican News) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Article on Dharma Sansad by Kalyani Giri appeared in Indoamerican News. I am looking for article on Shri Ashokji Singhal. Please email or fax at 281-368-5372 Vijay Pallod In a move that is both historic as well as innovative, the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) of Ame-rica Inc. will host the first ever Dharma Sansad over the weekend of August 22-23, 1998. Dharma Sansad, a summit meeting of Hindu religious and spiritual leaders risiding in the western hemisphere, will be held at “Arsha Vidya Peetham,” the ashram of Poojya Swami Daya-nanda Saraswati in Saylorsburg, Pennsylvania. Saints, savants, gurus and acharyas from the multitudinous spiritual paths within the Hindu faith -- from north and south America along with several representatives from India -- will gather here to guide, advise and interact with local community leaders who have also been invited to attend. Together, they hope to work toward a common goal -- to inspire the Hindus of the western hemisphere to sustain their religious, spiritual and cultural heritage through direct and consistent interaction with the members of the Dharma Sansad in a manner that would enable them to maintain their diversity while fostering a common cultural bond. The mission of the Dharma Sansad is to promote a unifying vision of Hindus and adapting a Hindu system of sanskaras by way of traditions and values for a harmonious personal, family and social life. For those who wish to come into the Hindu-fold by virtue of marriage, adoption or personal conviction, they should be accepted and welcomed. New traditions for families and society have to be established which are better suited to the times and environment in which we live. “Hindus reside in almost all the countries of the hemisphere. The biggest concentration of Hindus are in Canada, the United States of America, Guyana, Trin-dad and Tobago, Surinam, Brazil, and Argentina. The Dharma Sansad can guide the Hindu communities in the hemisphere to lead a Hindu way of life and help preserve our rich cultural heritage in that half of the world,” explains the Former President of Vishwa Hindu Parishad of America, Dr. Mahesh Mehta The Dharma Sansad expects to meet annually at a pre-determined location and the VHP of America will take the initiative to invite Hindu religious and spiritual leaders of the western hemisphere to become members of the former. The deliberations of the Dharma Sansad will be presided over by an appointed President (by rotation) selected by the members, with the General Secretary of VHP of America facilitating the proceedings. This year, the meeting shall run over two days beginning Saturday morning and going on till evening, then resuming on Sunday to conclude the same day. The opening meeting will be a joint session of all Dharma gurus and the community leaders. In this session, after the introduction of of the participants, each community representative will be given a few minutes to express his major concerns on social, cultural or religious issues relating to the people of their community. Also, there will be two parallel forums in this afternoon , one for Dharma gurus and the second for community representatives, during which both groups will try to identify the most important issues and seek practical solutions. In the final session, Dharma gurus will provide broad guidance and advice. The ongoing dialogue between Dharma gurus and the community may result in an Achar Samhita for the Hindus of the western hemisphere. Some of the revered gurus and yogis that have already confirmed that they shall attend include Swami Amaranandaji (Bharat Sevashram Sangha), Bhakti Ved- anta Swami Narayanji (Gaudiya Math), Swami Satchinandaji (Satchidananda Ashram), Swami Chidananda (Parmarth Niketan), Swamini Meera Deviji and Swamini Priya Dasiji (Bar-sana Dham) -- to name but a few. There is no limit to the size of Dharma Sansad membership. The President of VHP Bharat, Shri Ashok Singhal, will preside over the event. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From abhaya@ihgw2.lucent.com Wed Aug 5 10:09:19 1998 Message-Id: <35C8669E.FD7D2891@lucent.com> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 10:05:18 -0400 From: "abhaya asthana, 978-960-4273" Organization: Bell Labs, Lucent Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Dharma Sansad article by Kalyani Giri(Indoamerican News) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Vijay Namaste A very nice article! It will truly be an historic event. The vision associated with the Sansad has astounding proportions! abhaya _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From VICHARAK@aol.com Thu Aug 6 06:26:52 1998 From: VICHARAK@aol.com Message-ID: <1f9662d9.35c984bd@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 06:26:04 EDT To: vhpgc-l@HINDUNET.ORG, VHPGC-L@HINDUNET.ORG Cc: hrinfo@stallion.jsums.edu, ashokvc@giasbm01.vsnl.net.in, kulkarni@hal-pc.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Dharma Sansad article by Kalyani Giri(Indoamerican News) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org 8/6/98 Dear Vijay: Namaste. Congratulations on a very nicely written article. Your continued efforts at media relationship are noteworthy. I am especially delighted to note the addition of Ms. Kalayni Giri to an already dynamic duo of yourself and Beth. Keep up the spirit and good work. Brotherly, Gaurang _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From VICHARAK@aol.com Thu Aug 6 06:26:52 1998 From: VICHARAK@aol.com Message-ID: <1f9662d9.35c984bd@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 06:26:04 EDT To: vhpgc-l@HINDUNET.ORG, VHPGC-L@HINDUNET.ORG Cc: hrinfo@stallion.jsums.edu, ashokvc@giasbm01.vsnl.net.in, kulkarni@hal-pc.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Dharma Sansad article by Kalyani Giri(Indoamerican News) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org 8/6/98 Dear Vijay: Namaste. Congratulations on a very nicely written article. Your continued efforts at media relationship are noteworthy. I am especially delighted to note the addition of Ms. Kalayni Giri to an already dynamic duo of yourself and Beth. Keep up the spirit and good work. Brotherly, Gaurang _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From VICHARAK@aol.com Sun Aug 9 10:37:37 1998 From: VICHARAK@aol.com Message-ID: <640203e5.35cdb410@aol.com> Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 10:37:03 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Fwd: karma club removes deities Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_902673423_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_902673423_boundary Content-ID: <0_902673423@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII 8/9/1998 For information of all GC members and chapter presidents/coordinators. Perseverance does pay! Congratulations to all involved, espcially Rahul Pandit and chicago area workers. One question ofr Ajay Shah. Since when was the name of AHADC changed? Being a project of VHP, we would have liked to know about it in advance. Brotherly, Gaurang --part0_902673423_boundary Content-ID: <0_902673423@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-zc04.mx.aol.com (rly-zc04.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.4]) by air-zc04.mail.aol.com (v47.2) with SMTP; Sat, 08 Aug 1998 17:57:11 -0400 Received: from mail1.dac.neu.edu (mail1.dac.neu.edu [129.10.1.75]) by rly-zc04.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id RAA26349; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 17:57:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail1.dac.neu.edu id RAA14496 for vhpa-boston-outgoing; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 17:56:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: mail1.dac.neu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-vhpa-boston@lists.neu.edu using -f Received: from www10.clever.net (www10.clever.net [209.25.19.1]) by mail1.dac.neu.edu with ESMTP id RAA15920 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 17:56:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) id RAA27901 for vhpa-boston@lynx.dac.neu.edu; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 17:56:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.dac.neu.edu (root@mail1.dac.neu.edu [129.10.1.75]) by www10.clever.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA27888; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 17:56:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lynx02.dac.neu.edu (cbando@lynx02.dac.neu.edu [129.10.1.79]) by mail1.dac.neu.edu with ESMTP id RAA13126; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 17:56:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Chandan Bandopadhyay Received: by lynx02.dac.neu.edu with id RAA12019 Message-Id: <199808082156.RAA12019@lynx02.dac.neu.edu> Subject: karma club removes deities To: hrinfo@stallion.jsums.edu, vhpa-boston@HINDUNET.ORG, vhpgc-l@HINDUNET.ORG Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 17:56:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Sender: owner-vhpa-boston@lynx.dac.neu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Chandan Bandopadhyay Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit From: Rahul Pandit Subject: karma club removes deities To: hsc-family@hindunet.org KARMA CLUB AGREES TO REMOVE DEITIES The American Hindus Against Defamation (AHAD) is proud to announce a successful outcome in its efforts to negotiate with the owners of the Karma nightclub in Chicago, Illinois. This club had raised the attention of many Hindus and non-Hindus alike when it opened in August of 1997. Karma’s extravagant decor included many pictures, statues, and other depictions of Hindu deities. This depiction of sacred religious art in a nightclub was the subject of much protest. As a result, the owners, Srinivas Reddy, Rakesh Thakkar, and Carson, agreed to remove all icons of Hindu deities from the club. In place of these deities, the owners will be placing other statues, pictures, and decorations of Indian origin to complement the fine decor of the club. Such an agreement would not have been achieved without the consideration of the owners, and without the support of the more than 500 people who signed an online protest at the AHAD website (http://www.hindunet.org/anti_defamation/karma_club). Many other people responded to articles in all the major Indian newspapers, and supported this effort in other ways. The protest of the use of Hindu icons in the Karma club by the AHAD (formerly known as the AHADC, or American Hindu Anti-Defamantion Coalition) was organized by members of the Community Action Network of the Hindu Students Council (HSC-CAN). These efforts were supported as well by FIA (Federation of Indian Associations), VHP of America (Vishwa Hindu Parishad), and various other Indian organizations and Hindu temples. Mr. Thakkar reports that the Karma club has already removed four of its statues of Hindu deities on the main floor. Over the next several weeks, the AHAD will be working with the Karma owners to help find suitable alternatives to the Hindu icons. If anyone is interested in purchasing the icons, knows of places that might be interested in housing them, or can provide Indian art to replace them, please inform the owners of Karma or the AHAD. You can contact the Karma owners at (312) 321-1331; fax (312) 321-1115; 318 W. Grand Ave.; Chicago, IL 60610; email club-karma@uss.net. If you have any questions for the AHAD, you can contact Rahul Pandit at (708) 386-9464 or via email at rpandit@aya.yale.edu. == Ekam sat vipraha, bahudha vadanti ------------------------------------- rpandit@aya.yale.edu _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Chandan cbando@lynx.neu.edu **************************************************************************** * "This life is short, the vanities of the world are transient, but they * * alone live who live for others, the rest are more dead than alive" * * - Swami Vivekananda * **************************************************************************** --part0_902673423_boundary-- _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Pallod@aol.com Sun Aug 9 14:12:06 1998 From: Pallod@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 14:11:33 EDT To: rpandit@yahoo.com (Rahul Pandit) Cc: VHPGC-L@HINDUNET.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Karma club protest. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namashkar Rahul. Good job on press release. I would like to give my input. 1. Make sure you send the pictures to the newspapers. Karma club picture will be fine. 2. Give qutoe from the owner. 3. Please mention about past achievements e.g Sony CD. Please send me the updated version of the press release. Vijay Pallod 13242 Avonshire Houston TX 77083 _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From shahajay@yahoo.com Mon Aug 10 02:03:49 1998 Message-ID: <19980810060430.18125.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com> Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 23:04:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Ajay Shah Subject: Re: Fwd: karma club removes deities To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Namaskar The official name still needs to be decided. We did not want to use the name AHADC (especially the ADC part of the name) because the Jewish ADC has trade marked this name. For the sake of this press release, we just went ahead and used a similar sounding name so as to not hold off the press release for the sake of the name. Indeed, the Karma Club press release was held up for a long time because of lack of time on my part. The AHAD name is not cast in stone, after all AHAD(C) is not an organization in itself, and since currently there is no project technically, it does not exist. If there are any suggestions/comments etc. for a future name, please let me and the GC know. regards, ajay ---VICHARAK@aol.com wrote: > > 8/9/1998 > > For information of all GC members and chapter presidents/coordinators. > > Perseverance does pay! Congratulations to all involved, espcially Rahul > Pandit and chicago area workers. > > One question ofr Ajay Shah. Since when was the name of AHADC changed? Being > a project of VHP, we would have liked to know about it in advance. > > Brotherly, > > Gaurang > > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 > > From: Rahul Pandit > Subject: karma club removes deities > To: hsc-family@hindunet.org > > > > KARMA CLUB AGREES TO REMOVE DEITIES > > The American Hindus Against Defamation (AHAD) is proud to announce a > successful outcome in its efforts to negotiate with the owners of the > Karma nightclub in Chicago, Illinois. This club had raised the > attention of many Hindus and non-Hindus alike when it opened in August > of 1997. Karma’s extravagant decor included many pictures, statues, > and other depictions of Hindu deities. This depiction of sacred > religious art in a nightclub was the subject of much protest. As a > result, the owners, Srinivas Reddy, Rakesh Thakkar, and Carson, agreed > to remove all icons of Hindu deities from the club. In place of these > deities, the owners will be placing other statues, pictures, and > decorations of Indian origin to complement the fine decor of the club. > > Such an agreement would not have been achieved without the > consideration of the owners, and without the support of the more than > 500 people who signed an online protest at the AHAD website > (http://www.hindunet.org/anti_defamation/karma_club). Many other > people responded to articles in all the major Indian newspapers, and > supported this effort in other ways. The protest of the use of Hindu > icons in the Karma club by the AHAD (formerly known as the AHADC, or > American Hindu Anti-Defamantion Coalition) was organized by members of > the Community Action Network of the Hindu Students Council (HSC-CAN). > These efforts were supported as well by FIA (Federation of Indian > Associations), VHP of America (Vishwa Hindu Parishad), and various > other Indian organizations and Hindu temples. > > Mr. Thakkar reports that the Karma club has already removed four of > its statues of Hindu deities on the main floor. Over the next several > weeks, the AHAD will be working with the Karma owners to help find > suitable alternatives to the Hindu icons. If anyone is interested in > purchasing the icons, knows of places that might be interested in > housing them, or can provide Indian art to replace them, please inform > the owners of Karma or the AHAD. You can contact the Karma owners at > (312) 321-1331; fax (312) 321-1115; 318 W. Grand Ave.; Chicago, IL > 60610; email club-karma@uss.net. If you have any questions for the > AHAD, you can contact Rahul Pandit at (708) 386-9464 or via email at > rpandit@aya.yale.edu. > > > > > == > Ekam sat vipraha, bahudha vadanti > > ------------------------------------- > rpandit@aya.yale.edu > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > Chandan > cbando@lynx.neu.edu > **************************************************************************** > * "This life is short, the vanities of the world are transient, but they * > * alone live who live for others, the rest are more dead than alive" * > * - Swami Vivekananda * > **************************************************************************** > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From VICHARAK@aol.com Mon Aug 10 06:39:46 1998 From: VICHARAK@aol.com Message-ID: <5c5b22ce.35cecdc7@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 06:39:02 EDT To: Pallod@aol.com Cc: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org, gabatshah@juno.com (Ramesh Shah) Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Ashokji's visit to Houston and Austin Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org 8/9/98 Dear Vijay: I am impressed with thoroughness of your group. Seems like you have taken care of every angle. Other chapters can learn a lot from your chapter's enthusiasm and planning. I am indeed proud of Houston chapter. Brotherly, Gaurang _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Jitendra_Goel@qmail4.nba.TRW.COM Mon Aug 10 17:16:40 1998 Message-ID: Date: 10 Aug 1998 14:11:37 -0600 From: "Jitendra Goel" Subject: Re: Dharma Sansad article b To: vhpgc-l@HINDUNET.ORG X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.3d2 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 8/10/98 2:04 PM RE>>Dharma Sansad article by Kalyani Giri(Indoamerican News) Bhandhuwar, I came across this article recently, where some one has tried to justify the nude paintings of the hindu godesses painted by Hussian. The writer is: Sujai S. Karampuri" ------------------------------ Subject: Artists, Indians and Nude Goddesses ! Many Hindu-Indians were aghast and expressed their antagonism when they were informed that an artist, that too, from a different religion, had portrayed one of their goddess in nude. Why were they so ruffled up by this incident and what is so intolerable about a nude goddess? Answers to these questions can be found if one is little open, and tries to see reason. Taking any of our mythological characters, and hence their depiction in ancient days, we see that most of them were either nude or semi-nude. Why did Indian artists sculpt naked statues to depict their idols? Why is that most of the Greek or Roman gods appear to either scantily clothed or completely naked, unabashed and unashamed? Why were the artists of the past so perverse in their thoughts? and why did they see everyone through their erotic lens? Without going into obscure domains of 'what artists think' of nude figures, let us see how such pieces of "erotic" art came into acceptance in the past. The artists of the past enjoyed their freedom to create the things they could conceive of- This freedom could have emanated either from patronage of lords and kings or from their seclusion during creation (from common men- due to lack of media resources). And when people witnessed their creation, they expressed awe and wonder. It could very well be that each one in that audience had a different perception of that nude figurine. The point is that at least they left the artist and his creation out of their mundane thinking. Now let us see if the gods, as we see right now, had the same attire at all times in the past. Most of the present day gods were all mythological characters of the past, hence every artist represented them as he desired; moreover, the identifiable icons of gods were not as famous as they are right now, again due to lack of copier machines and printing press. Most of the Indian temples do depict women who have exaggerated body curves with more than natural sized breasts entwined in seductive poses. It turns out that they are either the queens, famous women of their age, dancers, and even goddesses. People of the past did not show outrage when they were led to a temple or a palace full of nude mythological characters. The phenomenon of seeing one's goddess in fully clad saree and blouse in a painting or a postcard is a very recent phenomenon; and that could be because the gods' pictures and posters(not clay statuettes) started entering the households. So what we see is that there were two different depictions for the same icons, those at home grew conservatively while artists held a liberal view on their depiction of gods. We are definitely more conservative compared to the times when Kajuraho, Elephanta were made, when erotic sagas of our gods and goddesses were written. Instead of realizing that we have become narrow in our outlook, we start disbelieving that such creations do exist, and try to sanctify our conservatism to make it permanent for all future generations and also imagine that this is how the past has been. Sujai Karampuri [Cont'd] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 20:26:07 -0400 From: Sanjai Kukreti Subject: Artists... Hiranya Roychowdhury wrote:>>(I am ashamed to say that I was not aware that Hussain was also beaten up). It is a sad commentary on contemporary "Bharatiya" psyche...Swastikas on Jewish burial grounds are not the same as depicting a Hindu goddess in the nude. A quiz: can you name a goddess that has been traditionally depicted in the nude? The argumnents put forth supporting an artist's beating hold little water for me. I believe, that the fact that Md. Hussain is of a different faith has alot to do with it. Hiranya.<< I don't condone the beating/banning of any artist on the grounds of their art. But I want to point out that when people like Rushdie, Hussain, etc, do these things, it's clearly obvious they're doing it to provoke. Let me point out that it's one thing to show Sita in intimate embrace with Rama, but showing Sita having sex with Hanuman or Lakshman, is a completely different spin, with a completely different connotation. If you see the painting, it's hard to deny the phallic depiction of Hanuman's tail in relation to Sita. But again, if someone wants to show Sita having sex with Hanuman's tail, or show Muhammad being sodomized by Hanuman's tail or a camel's tail, it should be their right to do so. I'm wondering, tho, would you express your shame and disapproval as strongly, if individuals from another ethnic group reacted angrily to that latter case I described? What if people were to react angrily to, say, an artist making a play which presented the viewpoint of the assassin of Mahatma Gandhi? Would you have the same presence of mind to initiate a similar defense of that artist, without having to be prompted? Would you support the overturning of the ban in India on Rushdie's infamous book? There was once an artist nearby here, who wanted to express himself artistically by sitting a live rat on a canvas, and then dropping a heavy concrete block on it from the roof. He announced it to all the media, and cited artistic freedom of expression, of course. There was nothing authorities could do, since the laws don't permit prosecution of animal abuse until after it has happened. A large angry mob of animal-activists showed up at the event, and of course the frightened artist backed down. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From shahajay@yahoo.com Wed Aug 12 18:00:43 1998 Message-ID: <19980812220007.21112.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:00:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Ajay Shah Subject: Please click on hindunet.org banners To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please visit the sites http://www.hindunet.org http://www.hindunet.org/god/ http://www.hindunet.org/temple_info/ and click on the banners. Every time you click on a new banner, we will get six cents. You can click on each banner only once in six hours. This is the easiest way to help our web project. thanks for your support regards, ajay _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Pallod@aol.com Fri Aug 14 08:46:19 1998 From: Pallod@aol.com Message-ID: <1f9bda55.35d43125@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:44:19 EDT To: hrinfo@stallion.jsums.edu Cc: VHPGC-L@HINDUNET.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Wall street - Muslim Holy war Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Muslim Holy War Brews in Tanzania; Peace Between Religions Falls Apart By ROBERT FRANK Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL DAR ES SALAAM, Tanzania -- Even before the U.S. Embassy bombing here last week, this country was being shaken by violence. Muslim elder Mtoro Musa Kibabami lifts his white-cotton robe to reveal a pink gash under his knee, left from a beating by fundamentalist Muslims this spring. His ankles are covered in bruises from a separate incident, a riot between police and Muslims outside the Mwembechai mosque here three months ago. Tanzania "never had the religious disputes that our neighbors had," says the 60-year-old religious leader, sitting with his cane under a palm tree near the mosque. "I'm afraid our peace is over." Always on the quiet fringe of the Muslim world, Tanzania's Muslims practice a "soft" Islam, tolerant of drinking, revealing dress and even talk of the Bible. Fully 36% of Tanzania's population is Muslim, and they have long peacefully co-existed with Christians, who make up 40%, as well as the occasional Hindu and Buddhist. Fundamentalist Fury All of which infuriates a fast-growing group of fundamentalist Muslims who have been importing a harder faith. Mainstream elders are being beaten and mosques are being seized by fervent leaders backed by Arab states. Fundamentalists have threatened local politicians and in one instance chased a local pork butcher out of town, saying his shop shouldn't be in the same neighborhood as their mosque. Meantime, governments here and elsewhere in East Africa are cracking down on the entire Muslim community. Since the bombings of the U.S. embassies here and in Kenya last Friday, tensions have heightened. Tanzanian police rounded up and detained 14 people for being what they termed "dubious-looking Arab types." Only one "suspect" has been released. It isn't clear whether the feud between mainstream Muslims and fundamentalists is connected in any way to the bombings. A week after the blasts, investigations have yet to determine who is responsible. Few fundamentalists in Dar es Salaam agreed to be interviewed for this article, fearing they were targets of the bombing probe. Other Tanzanians point out that another time Americans blamed Muslims for a bombing -- Oklahoma City -- the terrorists turned out to be American. The Price for Tolerance? As the battle between hard-line and mainstream Muslims rages world-wide, observers say Tanzania will prove a critical frontier. "This is our most difficult question," says Cuthbert Omari, a sociology and religion professor at the University of Dar es Salaam. "We are a tolerant society. Now perhaps we have to pay the price." Mr. Kibabami and his Mwembechai mosque, in the heart of Dar es Salaam's poor Islamic district, have borne the brunt. In 1992, he was ousted by a group of young fundamentalists and banned from the Muslim temple he helped build more than 30 years ago. He was later beaten when he tried to pray at a nearby mosque that was also being taken over by a group he calls "radicals." In May, the government sent in police to forcibly remove the group and restore Mr. Kibabami and the other elders. Riots broke out, and two people were killed. Today, two police guards stand watch at the front gate of Mwembechai to stop the fundamentalists from returning. The group that was kicked out has started building a new, larger mosque across town. Ali Mohammed, a 45-year-old fundamentalist in a red Egyptian tarboosh, or fez-like cap, says his group is simply defending itself against a Christian government that is trying to take away the rights of Muslims. He argues that Mr. Kibabami and the other elders at Mwembechai are part of a "government conspiracy" to control Muslims-something Mr. Kibabami denies. "We get no money from outside governments," Mr. Mohammed adds, as a concrete mixer pulls up behind him to add another floor to the sprawling new mosque. "We are poor like other Muslims." Resilient Faith Mr. Kibabami and the Mwembechai mosque have been through many other struggles. He prayed here while Tanzania fought to break free from Britain in 1961. He prayed here during the Socialist revolution in the 1970s, and again during the return to capitalism in the 1980s. As he sees it, Islam is at the heart of the "resilience" that has helped Tanzanians through so much turmoil. With his white goatee, smiling brown eyes and embroidered cap in regal purple and gold, Mr. Kibabami is a model African Muslim elder. He arrives at the mosque promptly for his five prayers a day and quotes the Koran during every conversation, his accent bouncing from Swahili to British. "We have a core faith that does not break," he says. "Islam lasts long after governments and leaders have fallen." In fact, the religion has been a part of life here for more than a thousand years. Unlike Christianity, which was foisted upon Africa by Western conquerors, Islam was a byproduct of business: In the eighth century A.D., Muslims from the Arabian peninsula started trading on the African coast, passing along the Koran with their glass and iron ware. Even the slave trade couldn't shake the strong bond between East Africans and the Gulf States. Today, posters of Islamic leaders adorn buildings throughout Dar es Salaam, and newsstands are filled with Arabic magazines and newspapers. At the Egyptian Language School here on a recent morning, 15 students in crisp blue uniforms scrawl Arabic lessons on new wooden desks, all funded by the Egyptian government. Growing in Size Yet Mr. Kibabami would rather send back the Arab world's latest export: fundamentalism. Hard evidence is scarce, but he and many government officials say Muslims from Iran, Egypt, Sudan and Iraq have started arriving in Tanzania on a new kind of spiritual quest. Prof. Omari estimates that 20% of Tanzanian Muslims are now fundamentalist, up from less than 5% in the early 1980s. Fundamentalist mosques are appearing throughout the country, their white minarets poking up through the dirty shacks and dust. Fundamentalists offer incentives such as food, housing, cars and even $100 "signing bonuses" to converts -- strong perks in a country where the average wage is $50 a month. Most potential converts are young men like Viyya Ndumilah. Splashing cold water over his head outside the Mwembechai mosque, the 19-year-old Mr. Ndumilah flips off his sandals and steps into the cool, dark temple with Mr. Kibabami. After prayer, Mr. Ndumilah explains that he is loyal to the mosque's elders and Mr. Kibabami. But he also sees the attraction of the new fundamentalists. "They offered money and the chance to work in the Middle East," he says. "For young people like me who want to better their lives, it is very attractive." _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Pallod@aol.com Sun Aug 16 16:50:17 1998 From: Pallod@aol.com Message-ID: <6bbc2cad.35d7458b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 16:48:09 EDT To: hrinfo@stallion.jsums.edu Cc: brijeshm@juno.com (Brijesh Malkani), VHPGC-L@HINDUNET.ORG, anand@HINDUNET.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: HSS article in India Abroad. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namashkar I am having good success in getting our articles printed in India Abroad. This time India Abroad printed nice picture. I have to remind them twice. Gopal Raju publisher of India Abroad is visiting Houston in the first week of Sep. I will have meeting with him to improve our the relationship. Any suggessions pls let me know. Vijay Pallod NDIA ABROAD August 7, 1998 COMMUNITY AFFAIRS HSS holds its annual teacher training camp By ASHOK EASWARAN CHICAGO -- The Hindu Swayamsevak Sangh (HSS) recently held its annual shiksha varga, or teacher training camp, at the Coloma Resorts near Sacramento, Calif. Participants at the teacher training camp organized by Hindu Swayamsevak Sangh at Coloma Resorts near Sacramento, CA, marching in a parade. The activities began with prayers, exercises and yoga. Among the scholars present were Shripathi Shastri and Dr. David Frawley, who spoke on Hinduism and sanatana dharma. Raghuram of the Vivekananda Kendra in Bangalore taught the art of yoga and meditation. Prasad Kaipa, a management consultant with the Mithya Corporation, discussed management skills. Presiding over the concluding ceremonies was Manohar Shinde. The participants ranged in age from 12 to 78. The camp meant different to them. For Gouri Shintri, 16, it was an opportunity to interact with "like-minded kids who share the same vision and goals." Camp operator Fred Faieta said he was impressed with the planning and execution of various events and the cooperation of the volunteers. The next camp will be in Houston. The HSS is a nonprofit organization that holds weekly shakas in Houston. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From mihir@eyepiece.com Wed Aug 19 10:36:04 1998 Message-ID: <006e01bdcb7f$176015a0$454c4c0c@meghanis> From: "Mihir Meghani" To: "VHP GC List" Subject: Mihir's whereabouts Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:38:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2110.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org I willl be in India for the next few wks and won't have dependent email. Good luck with the Dharma Sansad mtg. I wish I could be there. Love, Mihir And to dispel rumors, I am not going to get married ! (But hey, you never know!) _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From bbg@mdc.net Sun Aug 23 07:05:09 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980823063320.0069b974@mdc.net> X-Sender: bbg@mdc.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 06:33:20 -0400 To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From: "Brij B. Garg" Subject: VHP Family Camp in the Northeast USA Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not for general publication/ general forwarding ----------------------------------------------- Dear Brother/Sister, The VHP Family Camp in the Northeast USA starts today (8/23/98) and concludes at noon on Saturday, August 29, 1998. Your friends and relatives are welcome to visit/stay at the camp on the last two days. Brief information and directions follow. With best regards, for the Camp Organizing Committee, -Brij Bhushan Garg (Normally at) 603-898-1312 Info: The camp is in Bradford, NH about 25 miles west of Concord, NH. Even though it is a family camp, the focus of activities at the camp are youth. Activities include hiking, swimming, canoeing, sports and games, arts and crafts. There are also "sanskar" type activities such as aarti, yogasanas, festival celebrations, classes and discussions on Hindu way of life. This year there will be about 90 youth (upto 18) and over 45 adults who will stay at the camp for six days and nights. More information is available at: http://www.IndiaNJ.com/vivekananda-camp Guest Info: There are two options. (1) Guests are invited to the camp concluding program on Saturday, August 29th, 1998 from 10 am-12 noon followed by lunch. Campers will demonstrate what they learned. Guests can enjoy the beautiful natural setting of the camp in Southern New Hampshire. (2) Guests can arrive on Friday, August 28, 1998 and stay overnight till the program concludes on August 29th. They need to bring a sleeping bag, personal items and a flash light (yes, there is electricity at the camp). They must call Shri Rohit Shah at 603-938-2240 (this number valid only from noon 8/23/98 till 8/29/98) ahead of time to make sure there is space. Directions from Boston, MA to the camp in Bradford, NH ------------------------------------------------------ Please allow about 2 hours driving time, about 95 miles. (Tel. 603-938-2240, valid till 8/29/98). Take Rt. 93 North toward Concord, NH. Take 89 North before Concord and go 20 miles and take exit 9. Take right onto Rt.103 and go 6.2 miles till a light. Take right onto Rt. 114 North and go about 2 miles and enter camp Wabasso on your right. Directions from Hartford, CT to the camp in Bradford, NH -------------------------------------------------------- Please allow about 3 hours driving time, about 125 miles. (Tel. 603-938-2240, valid till 8/29/98). Take route 91 North, till exit 8 for route 131 (Ascutey and Windsor). Take right onto Rt. 131 east. It will become Rt. 12 and join Rt.103 within 1.5 miles. Follow Rt. 103 east for about 30 miles (you will go through the towns of Claremont, Newport, Sunapee and Newbury). Make a left onto Rt. 114 north, go 2 miles and enter camp Wabasso on your right. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Pallod@aol.com Sun Aug 23 19:46:03 1998 From: Pallod@aol.com Message-ID: <4e72d9c6.35e0a991@aol.com> Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 19:45:14 EDT To: VHPGC-L@HINDUNET.ORG Cc: sangam@giasdl01.vsnl.net.in, hrinfo@stallion.jsums.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Ashokji's visit to Austin and Houston Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namashkar Ashokji's visit to Austin and Houston was successful. Ashokji was very tired when he reached to Austin. We cancelled trip to Barsana Dham trip. After taking good rest he was fine. Rohit Jain has done excellent job in organizing the program. Over 65 people attended the program. He spoke in Hindi. Houston we had lunch meeting and over 25 people attended lunch at Rameshji Bhutada's house. As per Manoher Shindeji 's suggestion, and looking at his health we canceled few programs. Interview with Houston Chronicle and India Post got cancelled. In the evening he visited VHPA office. Dinner meeting with community workers was very successful. Leading community workers attended dinner meeting. Ramesh Shah was able to bring almost everyone in the community. He spoke in Hindi. Eventhough it was raining very hard over 300 people attended public meeting. Hindus of greater Houston gave plaque to Ashokji. He spoke for one hour in English. At the end he talked about Ayodhya. We will send a press release in 2 days. Vijay Pallod _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Pallod@aol.com Tue Aug 25 19:50:56 1998 From: Pallod@aol.com Message-ID: > Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 19:50:13 EDT To: VHPGC-L@HINDUNET.ORG Cc: hrinfo@stallion.jsums.edu, shyam@del2.vsnl.net.in, samin@bechtel.com, SWAMI MURUGANANDA Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Press release Ashokhi's visit to Houston Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_904089013_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_904089013_boundary Content-ID: <0_904089013@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Namashkar Presss release from Houston. Vijay Pallod --part0_904089013_boundary Content-ID: <0_904089013@inet_out.mail.amoco.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from relay21.mx.aol.com (relay21.mail.aol.com [172.31.106.67]) by air18.mail.aol.com (v49.4) with SMTP; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 17:05:18 2000 Received: from interlock.amoco.com (interlock.amoco.com [192.195.167.2]) by relay21.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with SMTP id RAA03811 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 17:05:13 -0400 (EDT) From: bbkulkarni@amoco.com Received: by interlock.amoco.com id QAA16194 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for pallod@aol.com); Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:05:11 -0500 Message-Id: <199808252105.QAA16194@interlock.amoco.com> Received: by interlock.amoco.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3); Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:05:11 -0500 Received: by interlock.amoco.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2); Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:05:11 -0500 Received: by interlock.amoco.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:05:11 -0500 X-Openmail-Hops: 1 Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 16:04:42 -0500 Subject: NEWS RELEASE- ASHOK SINGHAL'S PROGRAM Content-Disposition: inline; filename="cc:Mail" Apparently-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Vishwa Hindu Parishad of America Houston Chapter For Immediate Release Prepared by Beth Kulkarni Sri Ashok Singhal, working president of Vishwa Hindu Parishad (Bharat) spoke on "Challenges for Hindus in the Next Millennium" to an audience of 300 on Thursday, August 20 ,1998. At the meeting which was sponsored by the Vishwa Hindu Parishad of America, Houston Chapter, Ashok Singhal emphasized the need for Hindus to serve others. He talked about the poverty and illiteracy which still exists in many parts of Bharat today. He did not blame the government, past or present, for the problems. Nor did he blame members of minority religions. On the contrary he emphasized the need for non-governmental organizations, including Hindu organizations, to solve these problems. And he emphasized the need for individuals to accept the responsibility to do their parts to help solve problems such as illiteracy. One of the highlights of the evening was the presentation of a plaque to Sri Ashok Singhal for his service to Hindus throughout the world. This presentation was made by Raj Syal on behalf of the Hindus of Greater Houston, which has sponsored annual communitywide Janmashtami celebrations for the last nine years. Sri Ashok-ji Singhal has been a key leader in the national rejuvenation movement in Bharat. He has promoted Hindu unity and upliftment of Harijans and women. He has shown leadership in providing services to orphans, widows, and the poor. Sri Singhal continues to bring together many segments of the society to work for the good of the entire community. For instance, VHP (Bharat) has brought many religious leaders in India on one platform and obtained their commitment to work for the upliftment of humanity through spiritual advancement. His impact on those who have heard him during this and other visits to Houston and to this first trip to Austin has been great. Vijay Pallod, a community worker who attended Singhal-ji's meeting in Austin as well as in Houston, commented "I was fortunate to spend some time and travel with Ashokji. He has dedicated his life to unite Hindus all over the world. His message to get involved in Seva projects is very appealing." Prasanna Gandhi, a graduate engineering student at Rice University who has been involved in Seva projects here and in India, said "I feel that Ashokji pointed out rightly the missing values in the life of Hindus. Seva (the selfless service to humanity) and Tyag (the sacrifice) is a back-bone of Hinduism. And as he pointed out people should embrace these principles in their life to serve for the noble cause of upliftment of downtrodden in India." Prior to the public meeting a number of community leaders were invited to meet Sri Singhal-ji and hear him speak. His energy and enthusiasm for the work ahead was inspirational to many who attended. This dinner meeting was also arranged by the local chapter of VHP-America and was attended by representatives of more than 20 organizations. Although his Ashok Singhal's visits to Austin and Houston and his speeches were a significant events in the local Indian communities, even more important is the continuing work that is being done by VHP (Bharat) and its sister organizations in eliminating casteism, poverty, disease and illiteracy throughout the India. Mere words, or even an intellectual approach, cannot eliminate these problems. What shall remain to be seen is whether Ashok Singhal's visit to our communities here will truly result in a higher degree of commitment to voluntary efforts to solve the problems of casteism, poverty, disease and illiteracy in India. --part0_904089013_boundary-- _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Jitendra_Goel@qmail4.nba.TRW.COM Thu Aug 27 12:03:31 1998 Message-ID: Date: 27 Aug 1998 08:59:19 -0600 From: "Jitendra Goel" Subject: Press release Ashokhi's vi To: vhpgc-l@HINDUNET.ORG X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.3d2 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 8/27/98 8:58 AM Press release Ashokhi's visit to Los Angeles Sri Rama Jayam August 18,1998 Vishwa Hindu Parishad meeting Cerritos Park, 7 to 10 PM. Two distinguished persons graced the VHP function today. They are Sri Ashok Singhal, President of VHP and Sri B.B.Lal, noted historian and reputed archaeologist. The evening began with introductory remarks by Smt.Prabha Khandelwal following garlanding of both the distinguished guests by VHP President in Southern California, Sri Jitendra Goel. This was followed by melodius song about Dharma and Yagna, righteousness and sacrifice. Prof.B.B.Lal in his succinct and to the point presentation accompanied by slides which made strong case of temple at the site of Ramajanmabhoomi in Ayodhya that was demolished to make way for Babri Mosque. He mentioned the drawbacks history of India has suffered from western scholars who felt that everything worthwhile for history existed only since emperor Ashoka.However glimpses of history can be gleamed from pages of Veda, Ramayana and Mahabharatha though per se they are not history books. There are those who believe that every word as true and then those that repudiate them as 'myths'. Prof.B.B. Lal felt perhaps Archaeology could help to fill the chasm. Fortunately though there is not much available in the form of history from ancient times, the names of towns and places remained continuous to date. So to day also we know where Hastinapur and Indraprastha as well as Kurukshetra are.So Prof.Lal selected sites mentioned in Mahabharath for his archaeological expeditions. He cited one instance. 15 generations from Pariksit , son of Abhimanyu and grandson of Arjuna, during the reign of a king of that lineage, a flood was recorded. And in the excavations conducted by Prof B.B.Lal at the site showed evidence of flood . Subsequently Prof.Lal took up the work of Ramayana sites for archaeological study including Ayodhya, Nandigrama, Chitrakoot etc. Slides focussed on matter at hand at Ramajanmabhoomi site in Ayodhya. He initially dug around the then existing Babri Mosque at the site. There were bases of pillars noted. And even with in precincts of mosque some of the original pillars that bore unmistakable Hindu imprint with deities, dancing maidens were still present. However the detractors came up with the theory that the pillar bases unearthed in archaeological expedition denoted only cow sheds but not a preexisting temple. Only way to solve the problem Prof BB Lal then mentioned in Feb 1991 was to dig the floor of the mosque itself to see if the same row of pillar bases continued in the site . Naturally the vested interests raised a hue and cry and vicious propaganda. But the event took place any way in entirely unplanned and unanticipated manner on 6th Dec 92. The Babri domes and the mosque were brought down by the karsevaks assembled there. Then from the floor came out unmistakable proof of a grand and great temple that existed before the mosque was imposed on it. There were fragments of top, the sikhara or gopura sculptures. And most impressive was 5'x2' stone slab on which a beautiful sanskrit poem of 12 th century was found recorded. The rhythmic sanskrit verse mentioned a magnificient temple for "Visnu Hari who humbled king Bali , who also killed Dasanana" at the site. This also met with usual obfuscation by detractors who said that the Karsevaks had them planted there from elsewhere. The materials that were found weighed about 100 tons and even India Today known for its anti Hindutwa showed pictures of demolition of the mosque also revealed at the same time the volunteers carrying the said stones from the site that was dug up on 6th Dec 92. and not to the site as alleged. Prof.B.B.Lal wondered as to why all this fuss against there being a temple at Ayodhya that was replaced with a mosque. Precisely this was the technique that was followed by many Islamic invaders including Babur. There are temples all over India that were demolished by the invaders and mosques erected on them to humiliate and demoralise the subjugated people of India and there is nothing new in this, he noted. Several in the audience wanted the pictures of the slides and other material unearthed proving unequivocally of preexisting temple at the site where Babri domes were put , in Ayodhya be given wide publicity including placing the material over the internet. Sri Ashok Singhal who followed Sri B.B.Lal continued the proceedings by noting that Sri Rama Temple construction at the Janmabhoomi site is a matter of national honor. The matter that is now sub judice or in the court did not pertain to whether there was a temple or not but whether the 'property' belonged to Hindus or Moslems. Thus the matter is reduced to a matter of property dispute. However regardless of such wrangles, all Hindus now know that Sri Rama temple at his birthplace was destroyed by Babur in 1528. And furthermore as far as Hindus are concerned millions of them over thousands of years are going to the exact site where tradition held to be birth place of Sri Rama to pray and offer obeisances. (Even with the mosque in place the prayers at the site continued and by court order for the last 40 years the mosque was open for Hindus to pray there) Thus this uncalled for controversy over a preexisting temple and for that matter over many other things that were held dear and holy by Hindus originated from the attitude of rulers even after independence. Sri Ashok Singhal without mincing the words stated that Hindus of India are treated as 3rd class citizens in their own home land . The constitution of India that was fashioned from earlier British laws which recognized only Moslems and Christians of India but not Hindus as people of India who were dismissed merely as 'non moslems', discriminates against majority people of India, Sri Singhal observed. For instance the minorities can teach their religion and appoint their own people in the schools and institutions run by them but not Hindus. So while Christians and Moslems teach their religions in their schools, the Hindu schools are prohibited from doing so since the government takes over and runs them. Even then the constitution was made more discriminatory further with an amendment that was introduced when Supreme Court said that while it recognized triple talaq still the moslem husband has responsibility for maintaining the divorced wife. Indian constitution was then amended to fit Moslem personal law that absolved the husband of any financial responsibility of maintenance of his divorced wife. Instead the responsibility was shifted to waqf board which gets money from Hindu exchequer ! ( So in effect thanks to secularism in India that is Bharath, Hindus are given the responsibility of paying for the divorce of a Moslem !) When thus British sought to divest Hindus of their natural rights made the land not belong to Hindus , Dr.Keshav Rao Baliram Hedgewar started Rastriya Swayamsevak Sangh in 1925. The secularists (following the boot steps of British colonialists) disowned Hindu culture instead tried to impose Islamic communalism in so called composite culture. And any attempt of Hindus to revive and relive their ancient traditions and mores is condemned as communal. To prevent Hindu growth and progress Hindu organizations were repeatedly banned over spurious and baseless allegations. Rashtriya Swayam Sevak Sangh (RSS) was banned thrice, the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) was banned twice. We all know who killed Gandhi, Nathuram Godse.Justice Khosla commission by Nehru government totally and unequivocally absolved RSS of any complicity . Yet even to date the vicious propaganda against RSS goes on. In Emergency 20,000 Swayamsevaks spent 20 months in jail. Their families were adversely affected. Yet smilingly the RSS carries on its work. They never fought Congress Hindus on any account. Instead both Guruji and Balasaheb Devaras adopted a stand, when the tongue gets bitten do we knock the teeth out ? The Congress Hindus are our people they said and therefore they never fought them despite the injustices heaped on them by Congress. On account of such anti Hindu secularism which also entails pampering Islamic communalism including terrorism alarming changes are taking place that threaten the very security of the people and the country. It is estimated now there are at least 1 1/2 crores or 15 millions of Moslem infiltrators from Bangladesh in India. All bordering districts of Bangladesh are denuded of any Hindu. The operation was simple. The Moslem infiltrator lifts Hindu girls in the village. In panic the Hindus sell their property and move out. The whole village becomes Moslem.The process is aided by crores (tens of millions) of rupees the Islamic organizations and Moslems receive from abroad. It may be noted that while Hindu organizations are prevented from getting any money from abroad, the VHP had to return small amounts the devotees sent for Sri Rama temple from abroad, both Christian and Moslem outfits get any where upto 20,000 crores of Rupees annually from various foreign sources to convert poor Hindus. The CPI M government of W Bengal is unsympathetic to plight of Hindus. On the other hand they are supportive to Islamic infiltrators. In fact to the place where they issue ration cards to any such infiltrator there by register him as a voter as well , no one else can enter due to death threats. All such is not secularism but treason. And the same malady is spreading to Nepal as well. In few years under so called democracy there with Rs 5000 crores being spent the Moslem population jumped from 3% to 12 %.Infiltration of Moslems and increase of converts to Christianity are also affecting Nepal just as Hindus of India are affected adversely. However fortunately ( after a long slumber) Hindus are not asleep now. The premier institute of Hindus RSS has been working for 72 years instilling devotion, Rashtra Bhakti, service to the motherland and spirit of sacrifice. These are not communal but patriotic qualities. With such spirit of self sacrifice RSS missionaries are working meeting daily. There are 39,000 daily meetings called sakhas which are attended by a million swayamsevaks. About 25000 an year get instructor training. There are in addition those who have been to RSS but do not participate in daily activities. They are like reserve or fixed deposit compared to current account. There are 14,000 schools run by RSS inspired missionaries. Because of all such efforts there is no doubt that a new Bharat will emerge. Not only in field of education, but in social scene also RSS is active. For instance in our country 85 to 90% of so called untouchable class are poor. It should be noted that untouchability is not a Hindu phenomenon. A Sankaracharya noted that no dharma sastra sanctioned untouchability. This curse arose only due to Islamic invasions. Noted historian Sri K.S.Lal noted it was customary for the Moslem invader to make examples of those as well as those groups of people who opposed them as examples for others to terrorise them into submission by confiscating the properties, by banishing them from homes and making them virtual out castes. For instance Ram Vilas Paswan who makes much noice as secularist does not know or care to know that one of the Paswans, Raja Sahaj Dev opposed Moslem invaders numbering 100,000 who came with the nephew of Ghajni Mohammed following Ghajnavi invasions. Raja Sahajdev killed all of the Moslem invaders. When the message went to Afghanistan, there has been no invasion of India for full 150 years or more . Such were Paswans once but now in scheduled caste category. (Same fate fell on many Rajputs who dared to oppose Moslems. Rajputs had to flee to forests in as far down as Andhra where now they are included in scheduled tribes ) To fight all these evils, to uplift our down trodden, to feed the hungry it is essential we work unitedly. What do we gain from fighting with each other ? We have done that long enough . The result of such internecine quarrels has been humiliation and suffering. Work unitedly , work under global organizations with a vision and mission like RSS and VHP to see that not a child goes uncared for, adopt a child and to see that not a single person goes hungry to bed.Think and act for the society not for personal glory or agenda.Sri Ashok Singhal exhorted. He further mentioned the unique achievement of VHP in bringing together various Sadhus and saints on one platform. It is their power and under their authority the temple at Sri Ramajanmabhoomi is coming up. The Stapathi noted that it will take 2 more years to complete the sculputures and other paraphernalia for the temple to come up. Temple is not a plastic bubble to be put up over night as alleged by likes of Maulayam Singh who killed at least 1000 karsevaks in Ayodhya yet the brave volunteers hoisted the saffron flags over the Babri domes then. All such sacrifices and blessings of Sadhus will not go waste. There is no power to prevent the temple from coming up. Come what may there will be temple for Sri Rama in the November 2001. Sri Ashok Singhal declared to the cheers of the assembled. The meeting got concluded with vote of thanks to Sri Ashok Singhal , Sri B.B.Lal and to all those who attended. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From VICHARAK@aol.com Fri Aug 28 06:45:34 1998 From: VICHARAK@aol.com Message-ID: <15b58ee1.35e68a2c@aol.com>> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 06:45:00 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Fwd: Dharma Sansad Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_904301100_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_904301100_boundary Content-ID: <0_904301100@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII 8/28/98 Dear GC members/Chapter coordinators: Namaste. here is the draft of press release for your information. Dharma Samsad was a resounding success. This draft will give you some idea of it. 27 GC members and chapter coordinators from East coast (including Ram Prakash Agrwal from FL, Yash Palji & Renubahen Malhotra from MI) attended the Dharma Samsad and a meting with Ma. Ashokji and Dr. Bhupendra Modi next day. More details will be coming in due course. If you have any questions, suggestions etc., please contact Vimal Sodhnai, Yash Palji or Maheshbhai. Brotherly, Gaurang --part0_904301100_boundary Content-ID: <0_904301100@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Pallod@aol.com Return-path: To: Beth Kulkarni , waghmare@juno.com Cc: nandsharma@lucent.com, MJMEHTA , Vedicinst@aol.com, VICHARAK@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Dharma Sansad Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 21:12:56 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_904301100_boundary" --part1_904301100_boundary Content-ID: <0_904301100@inet_out.mail.aol.com.3> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Namashkar Forwarding draft press release of Dharma Sansad. Please send my you input or comments asap. I need to send final draft by Thursday . Vijay Pallod --part1_904301100_boundary Content-ID: <0_904301100@inet_out.mail.aol.com.4> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Indoameric@aol.com Return-path: To: Pallod@aol.com Subject: Dharma Sansad Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 20:44:04 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable By Kalyani Giri With the serenity of sylvan greenery swaying ethereally in the gentle bree= ze, the Arsha Vidya Peetham, Swami Daya-nanda Saraswati=92s rustic niche in Saylorsburg, Pennsylvania, felt like a piece of heaven. Amidst the almost celestial setting, Hindu religious and spiritual leaders of the western hemisphere along with several community representatives gathered for the historic first ever Dharma Sansad, a summit meeting held under the auspice= s of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) of America. Presiding over the event was t= he visiting working President of VHP Bharat, Shri Ashok Singhal. The forum, coordinated by the Past President of VHP of America, took seed as a result= of the need to promote a unifying vision of Hindus and to adapt a Hindu syste= m of sanskaras by way of traditions and values for a harmonious personal, famil= ial and social life befitting the age we live in. Community representatives we= re also invited and accorded the opportunity to voice their concerns on socia= l, cultural and religious issues relating to people of their community -- in return, Dharma gurus offered insightful advice and guidance. Stressing the value of the Dharma Sansad, VHP of America=92s President, Dr. Yash Lakra, = said that Hinduism ceas-ed to be an organized religion and that it lacked coher= ent statement on various issues. He added that the VHP was merely a catalyst a= nd facilitator of the Dharma Sansad. =93Dharma Sansad shall be wholly autonomous, and we shall be their foot soldiers,=94 said Dr. Lakra. Thereafter, Shri Kanchan Banerjee, a representative of the VHP of America= =92s Hindu Students Council -- which from its inception in 1990, has to date, chapters on 50 campuses nationwide -- detailed past triumphs such as Globa= l Vision 2000 Youth Conference of 1993 and Freedom Festival 1997 commemorati= ng India=92s 50th year of independence. to name but a few. Their website has = been the recipient of numerous awards and is a veritable treasure trove of information about Hindu society, culture and history. Community representatives put forth their concerns involving a wide spectr= um of relevant issues: =95 How to minimize apathy among parents in the spiritual development of t= heir children. =95 To tighten the fabric of family structure by way of family counselling= in troubled times, rendered by individuals trained by Dharma gurus. =95 Social issues such as pollution of the environment, drug abuse, animal slaughter, godless science, intoxication, crime and violence that needed t= o have the Hindu perspective. =95 To instill pride in our Hindu identity and to stop being apologetic fo= r being Hindu -- to express assertiveness and aggressiveness in a positive w= ay. =95 Not to take defamation of Hinduism lying down. =95 To establish common principles for rituals and practices and to determ= ine a place of pilgrimage in North America. Cloistered together for a closed session with Dharma gurus, Swami Dayanand= a Saraswati -- who had originally assisted in mapping out the constitution o= f VHP formed in Bharat in 1964 -- urged gatherees to officially and legally affiliate their organizations to VHP and make it the voice of Hindus. The Swami went on to suggest the creation of a handbook of standardized ritual= s and traditions, also incorporating sanskaras common to the Sikh, Buddhist = and Jain communities too. Swami Chidananda Saras-wati of the Parmarth Niketan = in Rishikesh also endorsed the VHP, citing the Dharma Sansad a =93think-tank = for the future,=94 =93We need to promote unity among us. The Dharma Sansad is going to be the realize-station of universal peace,=94 he predicted. Shri Ashok Singhal slated the conversion tactics employed by the Christian= s and Muslims in their attempts to change those of Hindu faith. =93To take away the religion of a man is a mortal sin. We need to bring ba= ck into our fold, the converted, and we need a multi media way of putting an = end to conversion,=94 said Shri Singhal. He cited the idealogy Vasudhava Koota= m- bikam as an example of basic conceptual differences -- according to the Western way of thought, the world is a market. To the Hindu, he said, the world is family. At the suggestion of Swami Dayananda Sarawati, an annual membership stipen= d of $150 was agreed on. VHP was urged to prepare a draft of the Hindu handbook= , including in its pages, daily prayers, rituals performed at birth, marriag= e and death and other common-to-all basic rituals. Addressing the joint concluding session of Dharma gurus and community representatives, Aparnaji of the Chinmayananda Mission in Miami eloquently advocated the need for parents to tutor their children with love and patie= nce. =93Knowledge is not taught, it is caught. We have to set a good example fo= r our children,=94 she said. Swamini Meera Devi of Barsana Dham conveyed on behalf of her guru, Swami Prakash-anand Saraswati, his regrets at being unable to attend, then went = on to welcome gatherees to Bar-sana Dham. =93Consider Barsana Dham a place of pilgrimage,=94 she said. The next Dhar= ma Sansad in August 1999 is expected to be held at Barsana Dham, Austin, Texa= s. Sishya of Swami Satchida-nanda of Lotusville, Swami Sharadananda, said tha= t her guru would without any hesitation endorse VHP. =93Do it soon, he would say,=94 she laughed. Shri B.K. Modi, who is expected to take care of VHP interests outside of Bharat, beseeched all Hindus to embrace one temple. =93Some money must be devoted to dharma to clear the way for moksha,=93 he= said. Shri Modi has also sought a grant of consultative status with the United Nations Organization (UNO) Economic and Social Council on the grounds that VHP=92s aims and objectives are in full conformity with the mission of the= UNO. Shri Modi hasreceived the support of Smt. Vasundhara Raje, Minister for External Affairs in India, on this issue and the matter is under advisemen= t. Shri Ashok Singhal informed gatherees that VHP conducts tours for youth wh= o wish to visit India and see places of historic importance. He went on to a= dd that Bharat would be safe in the hands of the mahatmas. =93In time to come, our Hindu gurus shall lead the world as they live in s= ervice of others.=94 Swami Dayananda Saraswati added that VHP does not have its own philosophy,= but that it would be a representative body, not a unifying one -- while urging= all groups with a consistent agenda to affiliate themselves with VHP. The hospitality extended to guests at the Arsha Vidya Peetam was exemplary= . Swami Daya-nanda Saraswati and his team of devotees are to be commended. Kalyani Giri is a freelance journalist residing in Houston, Texas. She attended and covered the Dharma Sansad at the invitation of the VHP of America. --part1_904301100_boundary-- --part0_904301100_boundary-- _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Pallod@aol.com Fri Aug 28 08:38:35 1998 From: Pallod@aol.com Message-ID: <2fd4b596.35e6a48e@aol.com>> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 08:37:34 EDT To: VHPGC-L@HINDUNET.ORG, sangam@giasdl01.vsnl.net.in Cc: hrinfo@stallion.jsums.edu, Jain@aol.com, Rohit , samin@bechtel.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Ahokji's visit to Houston Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namshkar This article has appeared in India Herald, Houston. Vijay Pallod HOUSTON To Ashok Singhal the area in which the Hindu cause seems to suffer the most is the absence of volunteerism. Full-time, selfless service in the true Vaanprastha tradition where release of the responsibility of raising and nurturing a family should mean service to society, to its forgotten members left behind due to a variety of circumstances. The senior member of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad, who was in the USA to attend a Dharma Samsad in New York (Hindu religious conference) on August 22-23, spoke last week on this one crucial aspect which would shape the future of Hindu society worldwide. And a major step in that direction can be attained through literacy, he felt. Singhal was speaking to about 300 Hindus gathered at the Mahatma Gandhi Community Center on August 20. Singhal said the crusade for literacy undertaken by the VHP and its allied organizations like the Seva Bharati and Vanvasi (tribal) Kalyan Ashram in the rural areas and among the poor in the cities aimed at removing ignorance and poverty. That is the only way to keep the millions of poor Hindus in the Hindu fold and make them feel wanted. =93Today, there are 400,000 Christian missionaries working full time; they can be found in nearly every Indian village part of a global program of conversion,=94 he said. =93Their targets are the poor, illiterate Hindus and tribals, not the poor Muslims. Christian missionaries have made tremendous capital out of poor Hindus in India by showing photographs and videos on their television networks. They are collecting money from the West for educating Hindus and eventually converting them,=94 he said. And instead of launching into a diatribe against the missionaries, Singhal laid the blame on the Hindus who have failed to better the lot of their poor brethren. =93We have forgotten volunteerism. We have always wanted the government to solve our problems. But governments only create problems, they never solve them,=94 he observed. He said the religion had survived centuries of foreign invasions because of the mahatmas who roamed the villages spreading the Hindu scriptures, and philosophy and encouraged the people to go on pilgrimages to strengthen their faith. Singhal said Hindus in America had made great strides in laying a foundation of Hindu culture in America, but the time for part time, weekend work was long gone. He urged those who had retired from service to continue the work for various Hindu projects in the U.S. Prior to the public meeting a number of community leaders were invited to meet with Singhal and hear him speak. On August 19, Singhal addressed a meeting of Hindus in Austin. Raj Syal on behalf of Hindus of Greater Houston presented a plaque to Singhal for his service to Hindus throughout the world. Vijay Pallod, a community worker who attended the meeting in Austin as well as in Houston, commented: =93I was fortunate to spend some time and travel with Ashokji. He has dedicated his life to unite Hindus all over the world. His message to get involved in Seva projects is very appealing.=94 Prasanna Gandhi, a graduate engineering student at Rice University who has been involved in Seva projects here and in India, said, =93I feel that Ashokji pointed out rightly the missing values in the life of Hindus. Seva (selfless service) and Tyag (sacrifice) are the backbone of Hinduism. And as he pointed out people should embrace these principles to serve the noble cause of upliftment of downtrodden in India.=94 After his speech, one of the attendees asked Singhal about the caste system and observed that it had hobbled the progress of Hinduism. Singhal replied that there are over 2,300 scheduled tribes and scheduled castes in India. =93How did they multiply so much from a mere four castes?=94 he asked. =93= Show me one Hindu scripture which refers to that many number of castes,=94 he said. Obviously, somewhere down the centuries, the original varna vyavastha had become horribly corrupt and was exploited by the Muslim and later the British rulers, he said. Here again he asked for more help from Hindus in financing VHP's service projects in India. We do not have to fight the caste system but fight poverty and illiteracy, he asserted. The Ram temple in Ayodhya, Singhal said, would be taken up in two years time, as soon as the carving of the stones that is taking place in different places in India is complete. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Pallod@aol.com Fri Aug 28 08:47:19 1998 From: Pallod@aol.com Message-ID: <20a0199.35e6a694@aol.com>> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 08:46:12 EDT To: VHPGC-L@HINDUNET.ORG Cc: hrinfo@stallion.jsums.edu, sangam@giasdl01.vsnl.net.in, samin@bechtel.com, Jain@aol.com, Rohit Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Dharma Sansad - Press release Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Dharma Sansad =97 Dharma, only way to attain moksha By Kalyani Giri With the serenity of sylvan greenery swaying ethereally in the gentle bree= ze, the Arsha Vidya Peetham, Swami Dayananda Saraswati=92s rustic niche in Saylorsburg, Pennsylvania, felt like a piece of heaven. Amidst the almost celestial setting, Hindu religious and spiritual leaders of the western hemisphere along with several community representatives gathered for the historic first ever Dharma Sansad, a summit meeting held under the auspice= s of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) of America. Presiding over the event was t= he visiting working President of VHP Bharat, Shri Ashok Singhal. The forum was the brainchild of Dr. Mahesh Mehta, a Past President of VHP = of America. =93My inspiration to organize Dharma Sansad is the natural outcome of 25 y= ears of work done by VHP of America. We feel that a guiding body of dharma guru= s will facilitate the process of establishing relevant traditions for Hindus= in this part of the world,=94 said a dedicated Dr. Mehta who was ably assiste= d by Shri Vimal Sodhani in coordinating the event. Community representatives were also invited and accorded the opportunity t= o voice their concerns on social, cultural and religious issues relating to people of their community -- in return, dharma gurus offered insightful ad= vice and guidance. Stressing the value of the Dharma Sansad, VHP of America=92s President, Dr= . Yash Lakra, said, =93Dharma Sansad shall be wholly autonomous. We shall be thei= r foot soldiers.=94 Community representatives put forth their concerns involving a wide spectr= um of relevant issues: =95 How to minimize apathy among parents in the spiritual development of t= heir children. =95 To strenghten the fabric of family structure by way of family counsell= ing in troubled times, rendered by individuals trained by dharma gurus. =95 Social issues such as pollution of the environment, drug abuse, animal slaughter, intoxication, crime and violence that needed to have the Hindu perspective. =95 To instill pride in our Hindu identity and to stop being apologetic fo= r being Hindu -- to express assertiveness and aggressiveness in a positive w= ay. =95 Not to accept defamation of Hinduism. =95 To establish common principles for rituals and practices and to determ= ine places of pilgrimage in North America. Cloistered together for a closed session with dharma gurus, Swami Dayanand= a Saraswati -- who had originally assisted in mapping out the constitution o= f VHP formed in Bharat in 1964 -- urged gatherees to officially and legally affiliate their organizations to VHP and make it the voice of Hindus. The Swami went on to suggest the creation of a handbook of standardized ritual= s and traditions, also incorporating sanskars common to the Sikh, Buddhist a= nd Jain communities too. Swami Chidananda Saraswati of the Parmarth Niketan i= n Rishikesh also endorsed the VHP, citing the Dharma Sansad a =93think-tank = for the future,=94 =93We need to promote unity among us. The Dharma Sansad is going to be the realize-station of universal peace,=94 he predicted. Shri Ashok Singhal was disapproving of elements wilfully trying to convert those of Hindu faith. =93To take away the religion of a man is a mortal sin. We need to welcome = into our fold, the converted, and we need a multi-media way of putting an end t= o conversion,=94 said Shri Singhal. He cited the idealogy, Vasudhaiva Kutamb= akam, as an example of basic conceptual differences -- according to the Western = way of thought, the world is a market. To the Hindus, he said, the world is a family. At the suggestion of Swami Dayananda Sarawati, an annual membership due of $150 was agreed on. VHP was urged to prepare a draft of the Hindu handbook= , including in its pages, daily prayers, rituals performed at birth, marriag= e and death and other common-to-all basic rituals. Addressing the joint concluding session of dharma gurus and community representatives, Brahmacharini Aparnaji, of the Chinmayananda Mission in Miami, eloquently advocated the need for parents to tutor their children w= ith love and patience. =93Knowledge is not taught, it is caught. We have to set a good example fo= r our children,=94 she said. Swamini Meera Devi of Barsana Dham conveyed on behalf of her guru, Swami Prakashanand Saraswati, his regrets at being unable to attend, then went o= n to welcome gatherees to Barsana Dham. =93Consider Barsana Dham a place of pilgrimage,=94 she said. The next Dhar= ma Sansad is expected to be held at Barsana Dham, Austin, Texas, in August 28= ,29 1999. Swami Sharadananda, sishya of Swami Satchidananda of Yogaville, said that = her guru would without any hesitation endorse VHP. =93Do it soon, he would say,=94 she laughed. Shri B.K. Modi, who is expected to take care of VHP interests outside of Bharat, beseeched all Hindus to embrace one temple. =93Some money must be devoted to dharma to clear the way for moksha,=93 he= said. Shri Modi has also sought a grant of consultative status with the United Nations Organization (UNO) Economic and Social Council on the grounds that VHP=92s aims and objectives are in full conformity with the mission of the= UNO. The matter is under advisement. Shri Ashok Singhal informed gatherees that VHP conducts tours for youth wh= o wish to visit India and see places of historic importance. He went on to a= dd that Bharat would be safe in the hands of the mahatmas. =93In time to come, our Hindu gurus shall lead the world as they live in s= ervice of others.=94 Swami Dayananda Saraswati urged all Hindu religious and spiritual organizations, temples and satsang groups with a consistent agenda to associate with or affiliate themselves with VHP. Other resolutions of the Dharma Sansad include the preparation of a handbo= ok on sanskars for all Hindus. Also, VHP of America is to rewrite and publish= the history and heritage of India for the future generations to imbibe an undistorted, factual account of India=92s history. Luminaries attending the event included Swami Vidhitatmanandji, Swami Akhileshji, Swami Muruganandaji, Swami Amarnathanandji, Swami Satyanand Manavatavadiji, Shastri Mukundprasadji, Yogi Hari and Dr. Dilip Vedalankar= ji, to name a few. Also present were delegates from Gayatri Pariwar, Yogi Harbhajan Singh Khalsa, Hare Krishna Movement, etc. The hospitality extended to guests at the Arsha Vidya Peetam was exemplary Kalyani Giri is a freelance journalist residing in Houston, Texas. She attended and covered the Dharma Sansad at the invitation of the VHP of America. pa _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From shahajay@yahoo.com Fri Aug 28 14:52:12 1998 Message-ID: <19980828184505.16450.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:45:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Ajay Shah Subject: Re: Fwd: Dharma Sansad To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Namaskar If it is not too late, here are some suggestions. 1. The press release have a headline and a first paragraph that summerizes the headline. I would suggest something like : Twenty Eight Dharmacharyas Attend VHP-America Sponsored Dharma Sansad Twenty Eight dharmacharyas (spiritual leaders of respected Hindu organizations) attended the Dharma Sansad (religious gathering) organizaed by World Hindu Council of America (VHP-A) at rsha Vidya Peetham, Saylorsburg, Pennsylvania. The meeting, coordinated by Dr. Mahesh Mehta, Chairman of VHP-A's Advisory Board was also attended by Shree Ashok Singhal Working President of VHP and Shree B. K. Modi, President of VHP (please double check the titles). Having an impactful statement as a starter, generally differentiates an article from a press release. I would like to thank Vijaybhai and Kalyaniji for a great job they are doing regards, ajay ---VICHARAK@aol.com wrote: > > 8/28/98 > > Dear GC members/Chapter coordinators: > > Namaste. here is the draft of press release for your information. Dharma > Samsad was a resounding success. This draft will give you some idea of it. > 27 GC members and chapter coordinators from East coast (including Ram Prakash > Agrwal from FL, Yash Palji & Renubahen Malhotra from MI) attended the Dharma > Samsad and a meting with Ma. Ashokji and Dr. Bhupendra Modi next day. > > More details will be coming in due course. If you have any questions, > suggestions etc., please contact Vimal Sodhnai, Yash Palji or Maheshbhai. > > Brotherly, > > Gaurang > > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 > > Namashkar > > Forwarding draft press release of Dharma Sansad. Please send my you input > or comments asap. I need to send final draft by Thursday . > > Vijay Pallod > > ATTACHMENT part 2.2 message/rfc822 > > By Kalyani Giri > With the serenity of sylvan greenery swaying ethereally in the gentle breeze, > the Arsha Vidya Peetham, Swami Daya-nanda Saraswati’s rustic niche in > Saylorsburg, Pennsylvania, felt like a piece of heaven. Amidst the almost > celestial setting, Hindu religious and spiritual leaders of the western > hemisphere along with several community representatives gathered for the > historic first ever Dharma Sansad, a summit meeting held under the auspices of > the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) of America. Presiding over the event was the > visiting working President of VHP Bharat, Shri Ashok Singhal. The forum, > coordinated by the Past President of VHP of America, took seed as a result of > the need to promote a unifying vision of Hindus and to adapt a Hindu system of > sanskaras by way of traditions and values for a harmonious personal, familial > and social life befitting the age we live in. Community representatives were > also invited and accorded the opportunity to voice their concerns on social, > cultural and religious issues relating to people of their community -- in > return, Dharma gurus offered insightful advice and guidance. Stressing the > value of the Dharma Sansad, VHP of America’s President, Dr. Yash Lakra, said > that Hinduism ceas-ed to be an organized religion and that it lacked coherent > statement on various issues. He added that the VHP was merely a catalyst and > facilitator of the Dharma Sansad. > “Dharma Sansad shall be wholly autonomous, and we shall be their foot > soldiers,” said Dr. Lakra. > Thereafter, Shri Kanchan Banerjee, a representative of the VHP of America’s > Hindu Students Council -- which from its inception in 1990, has to date, > chapters on 50 campuses nationwide -- detailed past triumphs such as Global > Vision 2000 Youth Conference of 1993 and Freedom Festival 1997 commemorating > India’s 50th year of independence. to name but a few. Their website has been > the recipient of numerous awards and is a veritable treasure trove of > information about Hindu society, culture and history. > Community representatives put forth their concerns involving a wide spectrum > of relevant issues: > • How to minimize apathy among parents in the spiritual development of their > children. > • To tighten the fabric of family structure by way of family counselling in > troubled times, rendered by individuals trained by Dharma gurus. > • Social issues such as pollution of the environment, drug abuse, animal > slaughter, godless science, intoxication, crime and violence that needed to > have the Hindu perspective. > • To instill pride in our Hindu identity and to stop being apologetic for > being Hindu -- to express assertiveness and aggressiveness in a positive way. > • Not to take defamation of Hinduism lying down. > • To establish common principles for rituals and practices and to determine a > place of pilgrimage in North America. > Cloistered together for a closed session with Dharma gurus, Swami Dayananda > Saraswati -- who had originally assisted in mapping out the constitution of > VHP formed in Bharat in 1964 -- urged gatherees to officially and legally > affiliate their organizations to VHP and make it the voice of Hindus. The > Swami went on to suggest the creation of a handbook of standardized rituals > and traditions, also incorporating sanskaras common to the Sikh, Buddhist and > Jain communities too. Swami Chidananda Saras-wati of the Parmarth Niketan in > Rishikesh also endorsed the VHP, citing the Dharma Sansad a “think-tank for > the future,” > “We need to promote unity among us. The Dharma Sansad is going to be the > realize-station of universal peace,” he predicted. > Shri Ashok Singhal slated the conversion tactics employed by the Christians > and Muslims in their attempts to change those of Hindu faith. > “To take away the religion of a man is a mortal sin. We need to bring back > into our fold, the converted, and we need a multi media way of putting an end > to conversion,” said Shri Singhal. He cited the idealogy Vasudhava Kootam- > bikam as an example of basic conceptual differences -- according to the > Western way of thought, the world is a market. To the Hindu, he said, the > world is family. > At the suggestion of Swami Dayananda Sarawati, an annual membership stipend of > $150 was agreed on. VHP was urged to prepare a draft of the Hindu handbook, > including in its pages, daily prayers, rituals performed at birth, marriage > and death and other common-to-all basic rituals. > Addressing the joint concluding session of Dharma gurus and community > representatives, Aparnaji of the Chinmayananda Mission in Miami eloquently > advocated the need for parents to tutor their children with love and patience. > “Knowledge is not taught, it is caught. We have to set a good example for our > children,” she said. > Swamini Meera Devi of Barsana Dham conveyed on behalf of her guru, Swami > Prakash-anand Saraswati, his regrets at being unable to attend, then went on > to welcome gatherees to Bar-sana Dham. > “Consider Barsana Dham a place of pilgrimage,” she said. The next Dharma > Sansad in August 1999 is expected to be held at Barsana Dham, Austin, Texas. > Sishya of Swami Satchida-nanda of Lotusville, Swami Sharadananda, said that > her guru would without any hesitation endorse VHP. > “Do it soon, he would say,” she laughed. > Shri B.K. Modi, who is expected to take care of VHP interests outside of > Bharat, beseeched all Hindus to embrace one temple. > “Some money must be devoted to dharma to clear the way for moksha,“ he said. > Shri Modi has also sought a grant of consultative status with the United > Nations Organization (UNO) Economic and Social Council on the grounds that > VHP’s aims and objectives are in full conformity with the mission of the UNO. > Shri Modi hasreceived the support of Smt. Vasundhara Raje, Minister for > External Affairs in India, on this issue and the matter is under advisement. > Shri Ashok Singhal informed gatherees that VHP conducts tours for youth who > wish to visit India and see places of historic importance. He went on to add > that Bharat would be safe in the hands of the mahatmas. > “In time to come, our Hindu gurus shall lead the world as they live in service > of others.” > Swami Dayananda Saraswati added that VHP does not have its own philosophy, but > that it would be a representative body, not a unifying one -- while urging all > groups with a consistent agenda to affiliate themselves with VHP. > The hospitality extended to guests at the Arsha Vidya Peetam was exemplary _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Pallod@aol.com Fri Aug 28 21:32:48 1998 From: Pallod@aol.com Message-ID: <71e00f92.35e75a1e@aol.com>> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 21:32:14 EDT To: VHPGC-L@HINDUNET.ORG, sangam@giasdl01.vsnl.net.in Cc: hrinfo@stallion.jsums.edu, Beth Kulkarni Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Inida Abroad aricle about DHARMA SANSAD Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namashkar, Nice article about Dharma Sansad in Inida Abroad. They have printed 3 nice pictures. I am looking for good pictures of Dharma Sansad. If anyone has good pictures please let me know Vijay Pallod ------------------------------------------------------------------------ VHP seeks code of conduct for Hindus in West By ELA DUTT SAYLORSBURG, Pennsylvania -- Ashok Singhal, president of Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP), called on Hindus living in the West to make temples the centers of their activity and urged Hindus around the world to unite, at the first "Dharma Sansad" (religious conference) organized by VHP America, held here. Businessman Bhupendra Kumar Modi, recently appointed working president of VHP, said Hindus in the United States could lead the unification, and that in view of globalization taking place, VHP would seek affiliate membership in the United Nations. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP), India, president Ashok Singhal, center, at the 'Dharma Sansad' organized by VHP of America at Arsha Vidya Gurukulam in Saylorsburg, Pennsylvania on Aug. 22. At right is Swami Dayananda Saraswati, and at left is Swami Viditranandaji, both from Arsha Vidya Gurukulam. (Photo: Ela Dutt) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "I have personally been entrusted with the external work of the VHP and I see the U.S.A. as the base to take the lead in showing the path-- in bringing the message to humanity -- a task VHP has taken up," he said in his speech. Held in the peaceful surroundings of the Arsha Vidya (meaning, knowledge of the sages) Gurukulam (ashram) in the beautiful Pocono Mountains, two hours outside New York City, the Dharma Sansad brought together on Aug. 22 nearly 30 saffron-clad acharyas or swamis, both men and women, from the United States, Canada and the Caribbean, as well as more than 200 community leaders, to address the special problems faced by expatriate Hindus in the Western Hemisphere. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Some of the nearly 30 swamis and swamnis who participated in the 'Sansad'. (Photo: Ela Dutt) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The objective of the meeting was to develop an Achar Samhita or code of conduct, relevant to Hindus in this region. Calling it a "historic" day for VHP America, Singhal said that the most important factor that had surfaced from the day-long meetings "is how the Hindu society can be consolidated, how to unite and consolidate the 850 million Hindus." Describing this as the "most difficult task" because of the society's divisions into sects, castes and linguistic groups, and because of foreign rule, Singhal emphasized that the swamis were the key to bringing about unification. "In recent times politicians have driven away our people from the acharyas," he said. "They've done it for their own selfish purposes. I think temples can be the center of our cultural -- and all Hindu activities." ------------------------------------------------------------------------ VHP Working President for External Affairs Bhupendra Kumar Modi at the 'Sansad.' (Photo: Ela Dutt) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Earlier, Modi said the VHP "had been working tirelessly in the last many decades to bring Hindus around the world under one organization -- to create a feeling of one-ness." He said the VHP had no quarrel with other religions, "In fact, we want harmony with others and invite all religions to come together for the betterment of humanity, and stop conversion," as a means to expand themselves. "We hope to register VHP as an affiliate body of the United Nations so we can work toward a harmonious global village," Modi maintained. The 10 major problems facing Hindus in the West were outlined by community leaders after a breakout session as follows: 1. How to minimize the apathy among parents to engage them more in the development of their children. 2. The need for a consistent unifying vision (of Hindu unity) coming from all the Dharma Acharyas to their devotees; and an action plan for implementing this vision. 3. A message from the Dharma Acharyas that participation in the political and social process is also dharma (religion) and is a necessary activity that all have to participate in. 4. A process for accepting willing non-Hindus into the Hindu fold (which the leaders said was an important concern among Hindus living here). 5. Instilling genuine pride in the Hindu identity and stopping being apologetic about it. 6. How to bring back alienated brothers into the family. 7. How to stop the conversion of Hindus to Islam and Christianity and how to bring back and retain those who were converted. (One leader said conversion was taking place "at an alarming rate" in this region.) 8. How to instill and cultivate the appropriate level of assertiveness and aggressiveness among Hindus. (Leaders said Hindu youth at the breakout sessions were particularly concerned about this and wanted this included in the agenda). 9. The need for a common structure and guidelines for rituals, practices, icons, and temples. 10. The need for a restating of the core Hindu ideals and values in the modern context. The breakup of families and the need for younger generations to "be perfectly comfortable rooted in Indian culture and yet be American citizens" was the repeated theme emerging from the conference. Others were the need for a marriage bureau, because some 30 percent to 40 percent of Hindus married non-Hindus; the need for family counseling; the need to have one "noncontroversial" deity; and how to avoid "distortion of the Hindu Dharma." While no set of answers emerged for all the issues raised, several of the swamis and swaminis (women swamis) exhorted parents to make the extra effort needed to keep their children within the fold. They also spoke of the need for continuous meetings of the Dharma Sansad in order to reach a consensus on the code of conduct before another such meeting next year. Singhal mentioned the exchange program the VHP has established so that Hindu youth from the West can visit India and learn the traditions and see the poverty for inspiration and learning. Modi told India Abroad in a brief interview that "Hinduism has to be put in the right context -- internationally in particularly, especially for young people to whom the logical meaning of everything has to be explained." According to him, the core values had been "eroded," and "in the U.S. there is a chance to teach Sanatan Dharma in its authentic form." One community leader noted that Hindus were among the richest community in the United States, adding: "We have to open our hearts and come forward and generously offer thousands of dollars to VHP." Kanchan Banerji, leader of the Hindu Students Council, a VHP affiliate that has been established in campuses across the country, told India Abroad that there was growing violence within the Indian community. "There are gangs that we cannot reach," Banerji said. "Even though they are a minority, we have no organization to reach out to them." Other concerns, he said, included how a sense of "identity" could be imparted to youth when they reach college, and "how to impart Hindu values to our children when they are very young." He added that he had a 3-week-old child and was concerned. Hinduism, he said, had to be taught in a new way, commenting that his organization's concern was: "Youth don't identify with temples. How can swamijis guide for the new age?" _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Pallod@aol.com Mon Aug 31 21:39:43 1998 From: Pallod@aol.com Message-ID: <2e1ffeee.35eb5023@aol.com> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 21:38:43 EDT To: VHPGC-L@HINDUNET.ORG Cc: hrinfo@stallion.jsums.edu, sangam@giasdl01.vsnl.net.inMahabir_Somdat/mskcc_BIOSTmskmail.mskcc.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Shri Ashokji given big welcom by caribbean Hindus Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Shri Ashok Singhal given big welcome by Caribbean Hindus. by Patanjali Rambrich On a calm and tranquil Sunday afternoon, history was made between the Caribbean Hindu Community and the Hindus community from the motherland, Bharat. Hindus from all walks of life and as far away as the Bronx converged at Richmond Hill, Queens, NY, the heart of the Caribbean Hindu Community, to greet and listen to Shri Ashok Singhalji, head of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad. It was a meeting that will remain in the memory of all those who were fortunate to be there for a very long time to come. The program took place at the beautiful Shri Laxshmi Narayan Mandir, a local temple. About 150 Hindus filled the temple to get a glimpse of the brave and heroic Ma. Ashok Singhalji. Lord Rama and Hanumanji are extremely close to the hearts of Caribbean Hindus, most of whose ancestors could be traced to UttarPradesh and Bihar. All those who attended were anointed with "chandan" on their foreheads by students from the Durga Shaka. The program started precisely at 3:00 PM with Shri Somdat Mahabir arranging the audience to sit in lines. It was a marvelous site to see people never accustomed to sit with such discipline in a Mandir did it with such grace and patience. Pandita Indranie Ramprashad, a Swyamsevika from Trinidad, then chanted mantras from the Vedas. For the next hour, members from various Hindu Organizations led in congregational singing of bhajans that were accompanied by the sweet music of the Harmonium, Dholak, and Dhantaal. Ma. Ashok Singhalji car arrived as planned and was welcomed by Shri Somdat Mahabir, Shri Radharaman Upadhyaya, Shri Patanjali Rambrich and others who had been waiting outside the temple. As Shri Somdatji led Ashokji into the temple, the command "Uthistha" was given and all stood up as a mark of respect to the great Hindu leader. Ashokji offered prayers to the "murthis" and then took his seat. The command "Upaavisha" was given and everyone sat down. Other distinguished Hindu leaders accompanying Ashokji were Shri Mahesh Dave, Esq. (HSS, Sanghcaalak of NY), Prof. Shanker Tattvawadi (Senior RSS leader), Dr. Mahesh Mehta (former President, VHP-A), Vimal Sodhani (VHP-A, PA Dharma Samsad Coordinator), Dr. Mukund Moody (Former President of OFBJP), Dr. P.L. Chaturvedi (Vice-Chancellor of the Maharishi Swami Dayananda University), Rakshapal Sood (HSS, Sahkaryavaha of the USA). The Bhagwa Dwaj was then raised. Students from the Durga Shakha, the first and only Shakha in New York with an almost exclusive Caribbean participation, gave brief quotations from Swami Vivekananda, Shri Arvindo, and Swami Dayananda at periodic intervals. The HSS Sanghcaalak, Maheshji spoke very briefly and discuss the importance of Sangh work. Smt. Lalita Mahabir sang "Hindu bhoomi kee hama santaan", that the entire audience proceed to join in congregational chanting. Shri Somdat Mahabir then gave a brief introduction of Shri Ashokji. Ashokji Singhal’s speech was a masterpiece filled with energy and one could sense his great joy. He told us that he wanted to meet us a long time ago and was very happy that it finally materialized. He said that "the same blood in your veins, Caribbean Hindus, are in my veins". He was very proud that the Caribbean Hindus have kept up their Dharma and lamented that our dear language, Hindi, has been lost in Guyana and Trinidad. However, he told the audience that in Suriname the Hindi language is alive and well. He recalled his 1996 visit to Guyana, Trinidad, and Suriname and his recent visit, August 1998, to these same countries. He spoke about how happy he felt about the expansion of Sangh work there. He made special mention of Swami Aksharanandaji and Ravi Devji of Guyana who have ensured that Sangh is rooted in the nation. Today there are 7 Shakhas in Guyana including daily Shakhas. Shakha is also going on in Trinidad where Shri Raviji Maharaj has started that work. Ashokji emphasized the need for Shakha work. He challenged the Caribbean Hindus to create more Shakhas. This is the only tested method that will produce Hindus who are capable of carving a strong and vibrant Hindu society. By attending Shakha, Hindus develop a bond of love and friendship to collectively work for the betterment of society. He quickly reminded us that the Prime Minister of Bharat, Atal Behary Vajpayee, attended Shakha and has remained a Swayamsevak as of today. After the expansion of Shakha in the community, Ashokji said that Vishwa Hindu Parishad work could be started. His vision for the community was very concrete. He told the audience that Bharat is the "Matre Bhoomi", motherland of all Hindus, and they must make sure that she is strong. Only a strong Bharat would bring respect to Hindus worldwide. What was amazing was Ashokji concrete understanding of the problems Hindus and Indians are facing in the Caribbean. He discussed issues facing the Hindu community in Guyana, Surinam, Trinidad & Tobago, Fiji, South Africa, etc. He said Hindus will continue to be oppressed if they remain disunited. Ashokji discussed how disunity, treachery and deceit were the main reasons why Bharat was enslaved for one thousand years. Hindus at that time were fighting among themselves and foreigners were able to manipulate and defeat them easily. He called for Hindu unity and asked the intellectuals to respond to the needs of their respective countries. He touched on the recent riots in Guyana and urged young men to join the army and police force. He urged Hindus to assert themselves and take their rightful place in society. The Hindu presence and Hindu strength must be reflected in all facets of life. Time was too short as he had to be hurried to JFK airport for his next destination. Ashokji left after prarthana and the Bhagwa dhwaj was lowered and "artie" was completed. After "bhojan mantra", all were asked to partake of bhojan in the basement. During "bhojan" many people openly expressed joy at Shri Ashok Singhalji visit to the community. Indeed Aug. 23, 1998 will remain in the annals of history for Hindus. The bond between the Hindus from the Caribbean and Hindus from Bharat Mata was once again strengthened. Vishwa Dharma Ki Jai. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From VICHARAK@aol.com Wed Sep 2 23:06:48 1998 From: VICHARAK@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 23:06:10 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Now it is the Cow! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Nand Kishore Sharma, Ajay Shah, Vijay Pallod, Rajiv Varma & Shyam Tiwari should take a lead in this matter. Worth putting it up on website. Your commetns? Gaurang ===================================================== Soft drink ad featuring cow gets Hindus' goat in Berkshire Devotees at the Slough temple were taken aback last week in Berkshire when they read the huge poster for the soft drink, Irn-Bru, as they went to pray. The controversial advertisement features a cow, considered a sacred animal, saying: 'When I'm a burger, I want to be washed down with Irn-Bru.' The manufacturer, drinks giant AG Barr Limited, admits to having received a flood of complaints about the ads, but refuses to withdraw the offending poster campaign. http://209.194.80.218/news/1998/sep/02hindus.htm (Please use the above link to get full story) _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From nandsharma@algw2.lucent.com Thu Sep 3 11:02:26 1998 Message-ID: <2F41EC6A0B65D11181C30000C0F6F8E6104B2E@ma0940exch003u.mv.lucent.com> From: "Sharma, Nand K (Nand)" To: "'vhpgc-l@hindunet.org'" Subject: RE: Now it is the Cow! Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:01:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gaurangji: I saw this in the Free India news group somewhere yesterday.My opinion is that the local Hindu organizations have taken up this issue with the manufacturer as well as the advertizing agency, and have reached some level of understanding which is not totally satisfactory yet. So they are continuing for further resolution. Since we cannot add any contents, I would think we should put it on the web for info. only when the problem is fully resolved. I do not see much value in providing an interim info. which people reading Free India newsgroups can find themselves. Other views?? Nand Kishore > ---------- > From: VICHARAK@aol.com[SMTP:VICHARAK@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 11:06 PM > To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Subject: Now it is the Cow! > > Nand Kishore Sharma, Ajay Shah, Vijay Pallod, Rajiv Varma & Shyam Tiwari > should take a lead in this matter. Worth putting it up on website. > > Your commetns? > > Gaurang > ===================================================== > > > Soft drink ad featuring cow gets Hindus' goat > in Berkshire > Devotees at the Slough temple were taken aback last > week in Berkshire when they read the huge poster for > the soft drink, Irn-Bru, as they went to pray. The controversial > advertisement features a cow, considered a sacred animal, > saying: 'When I'm a burger, I want to be washed down with > Irn-Bru.' The manufacturer, drinks giant AG Barr Limited, > admits to having received a flood of complaints about the > ads, but refuses to withdraw the offending poster campaign. > http://209.194.80.218/news/1998/sep/02hindus.htm > > (Please use the above link to get full story) > > _____________________________ > For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > > _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Pallod@aol.com Thu Sep 3 22:48:37 1998 From: Pallod@aol.com Message-ID: <9179d58c.35ef54e3@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 22:48:03 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Now it is the Cow! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namashkar Gaurangji I agree with Nandji's opinion. As per India Abroad news this issue has been closed now. I will send the email on Saturday. Vijay Pallod _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From shahajay@yahoo.com Fri Sep 4 14:25:46 1998 Message-ID: <19980904172611.27053.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:26:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Ajay Shah Subject: Re: Now it is the Cow! To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Cc: vicharak@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Namaskar, I think that on this issue, AHAD should issue a press release at least, expressing its solidarity, regardless of whether the issue has been closed or open. This is a good seed to sow for future. I will draft a letter later today and circulate it. regards, ajay ---Pallod@aol.com wrote: > > Namashkar Gaurangji > > I agree with Nandji's opinion. As per India Abroad news this issue has been > closed now. I will send the email on Saturday. > > Vijay Pallod > > _____________________________ > For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From pandyahc@juno.com Wed Sep 9 18:17:43 1998 To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 17:58:41 -0400 Subject: Dharma Sansad. Message-ID: <19980909.180203.3246.0.pandyahc@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-5,7-26,28-46,48,50-52,54-62,65,68-81 From: pandyahc@juno.com (Harish C Pandya) X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem Received: from mx2.boston.juno.com (mx2.boston.juno.com [207.205.100.51]) by m13.boston.juno.com (8.8.6.Beta0/8.8.6.Beta0/2.0.kim) with ESMTP id QAAAA24073 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 16:53:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost) by mx2.boston.juno.com (8.8.6.Beta0/8.8.6.Beta0/2.0.kim) with internal id QAAAA07136; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 16:53:45 -0400 (EDT) Return-path: <> To: Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 16:53:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: hindunet.com: host not found) Message-ID: <199809092053.QAAAA07136@mx2.boston.juno.com> This is a MIME-encapsulated message --QAAAA07136.905374425/mx2.boston.juno.com The original message was received at Wed, 9 Sep 1998 16:53:44 -0400 (EDT) from m13.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.193] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 ... Host unknown (Name server: hindunet.com: host not found) --QAAAA07136.905374425/mx2.boston.juno.com Content-Type: message/delivery-status Reporting-MTA: dns; mx2.boston.juno.com Received-From-MTA: DNS; m13.boston.juno.com Arrival-Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 16:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Final-Recipient: RFC822; vicharak@hindunet.com Action: failed Status: 5.1.2 Remote-MTA: DNS; hindunet.com Last-Attempt-Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 16:53:45 -0400 (EDT) --QAAAA07136.905374425/mx2.boston.juno.com Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from m13.boston.juno.com (m13.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.193]) by mx2.boston.juno.com (8.8.6.Beta0/8.8.6.Beta0/2.0.kim) with ESMTP id QAAAA07134 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 16:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from pandyahc@juno.com) by m13.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DNKSBQYU; Mon, 07 Sep 1998 16:48:51 EDT To: vicharak@hindunet.com Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 16:39:00 -0400 Subject: DharmaSansad Message-ID: <19980907.163903.10278.0.pandyahc@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,8-10 From: pandyahc@juno.com (Harish C Pandya) Bandhuvar Gaurang ji This is the third time I am sending this e-mail. Twice it came back on the address given in orange sheets. I did not wanted to send to general list. Now I have no choice but to send it to general list. Though I am going to Germany on 9/11 but on my return I will work on the video again. So please send me the list of Sants and their organizations. I hope you will correct you address and let every one know about it. Harish Pandy Bandhuvar Gaurang ji, I know video coverage work was given to outside party however, as a service to VHP I took video of Dharam Sandas and got it converted very night and delivered it to Ma. Ashok ji next morning. But that video was unedited. I want to make it a superior quality video with titles and other things. I will appreciate if you kindly send me the list of names of saints and the organization to which they belong. I know you are very much busy with your job and other things I would not have bothered you if I could get this information though other sources. Thanks Harish Pandya _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From mihir@eyepiece.com Fri Sep 11 14:38:05 1998 Message-ID: <009901bdddb3$b61ed3c0$114c4c0c@meghanis> From: "Mihir Meghani" To: "VHP GC List" Subject: Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 14:37:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2110.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namaste. I got back from Bharat a few days ago. Congratulations for a successful Dharma Sansad and excellent coverage afterwards. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Pallod@aol.com Fri Sep 11 19:45:08 1998 From: Pallod@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 19:44:17 EDT To: VHP GC List Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: India Abroad Meeting Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namashkar Last Monday I had chance to meet India Abroad publisher Gopal Raju, Aziz Haniffa, and Ashok Ishwaran. I had an opportunity to discuss about VHPA ,HSC, and HSS. I thanked them for giving good coverage about Dharma Sansad. I have invited Ashok Ishwaran to my house for dinner. At dinner meeting I briefed him about VHPA and HSS activities. My goad is to get good coverage in India Abroad. This year they have given good coverage. This week they have covered VHPA Houston youth camp with nice picture. Vijay Pallod _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From shahajay@yahoo.com Fri Sep 11 19:56:43 1998 Message-ID: <19980911235654.13037.rocketmail@send103.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 16:56:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Ajay Shah Subject: Re: India Abroad Meeting To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would like to congratulate Vijaybhai for excellent effort in media relations -ajay ---Pallod@aol.com wrote: > > Namashkar > > Last Monday I had chance to meet India Abroad publisher Gopal Raju, > Aziz Haniffa, and Ashok Ishwaran. I had an opportunity to discuss about > VHPA ,HSC, and HSS. I thanked them for giving good coverage about Dharma > Sansad. > > I have invited Ashok Ishwaran to my house for dinner. At dinner meeting > I briefed him about VHPA and HSS activities. > > My goad is to get good coverage in India Abroad. This year they have given > good coverage. This week they have covered VHPA Houston youth camp > with nice picture. > > Vijay Pallod > > _____________________________ > For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From MJMEHTA@aol.com Sat Sep 12 11:23:33 1998 From: MJMEHTA@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 11:22:49 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: India Abroad Meeting Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Dear Vijay: Verygood work. Please continue on this path. Regards Mahesh Mehta _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From VICHARAK@aol.com Sun Sep 13 21:50:52 1998 From: VICHARAK@aol.com Message-ID: <85ee5492.35fc7659@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 21:50:17 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: India Abroad Meeting Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org 9/13/98 Dear Vijay: Namaste. I am very pleased with your sustained efforts at cultivating the media in a variety of ways. Now only if we could clone your acumen,energy and persistence in a few more GC members! Please continue to do the good work and do not hesitate to ask for help from me and other colleagues as and when needed. Brotherly, Gaurang _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From VICHARAK@aol.com Sun Sep 13 22:21:36 1998 From: VICHARAK@aol.com Message-ID: <33e8f8e0.35fc7d8c@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 22:21:00 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Fwd: Shuddhi movement Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_905739661_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_905739661_boundary Content-ID: <0_905739661@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII 9/13/1998 Dear Brothers & Sisters: I would like to share the attached with you. I beleive, it is important information. Brotherly, Gaurang --part0_905739661_boundary Content-ID: <0_905739661@inet_out.mail.HinduNet.Org.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from relay28.mx.aol.com (relay28.mail.aol.com [172.31.109.28]) by air16.mail.aol.com (v49.1) with SMTP; Sat, 05 Sep 1998 20:23:16 -0400 Received: from rbhatnagar.ececs.uc.edu (rbhatnagar.ececs.uc.edu [129.137.10.28]) by relay28.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id UAA22314 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 20:21:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (vrajiv@localhost) by rbhatnagar.ececs.uc.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA21173 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 20:21:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: rbhatnagar.ececs.uc.edu: vrajiv owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 20:21:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Rajiv X-Sender: vrajiv@rbhatnagar.ececs.uc.edu To: vicharak@aol.com Subject: Is this proper? Message-ID: Content-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Namaskaar Gaurangji, I recvd. the following in e-mail. Just want to verify if this is a legitimate VHP (Bharat) program. Please let me know. dhanyavaad, Rajiv ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 03:24:48 EDT From: SURINDER97@aol.com To: vishalagarwal@hotmail.com Dear Hindu Friends: 5 Sep 98 1. Jai Shri Ram to you all. 2. Those of you who want to donate money to the VHP SHUDDHI Program can do so now by using the below-described procedure (Please use instructions in item 5 of this procedure). 3. You can donate any amount of money that you like. Your donations support and strengthen the task of the Hindu Order. 4. If any of you has knowledge of any other Hindu Organization, that is doing SHUDDHI Work, I would like to hear about it. Thanks. Sincerely, Surinder Paul Attri PROCEDURE FOR DONATING MONEY TO VHP SHUDDHI PROGRAM By S.P. Attri (USA) 1. Right about the beginning of ths year, I wrote a short essay on "SHUDDHI" after receiving a VHP brochure from a friend of mine from Hyderabad, India. Inside this brochure is an urgent appeal by Shri Ashok Singhal, Working President of VHP, to every Hindu to become a VISHISHT AAJIWANT HITCHANTAK (Special Life Well Wisher) of VHP by contributing Rs 10,000 only once during lifetime. VHP will use this money to create at least 10,000 full-time, well- trained, committed Hindu Missionaries during the course of coming three years, to reach every nook & corner of the country ( This will not only neutralise the Conversion Crisis that is presently threatening to swallow up the Hindu Society but will also re-establish the spiritual & moral glory of Hinduism). 2. Many Hindus from the Internet reacted excitedly & enthusiastically to my essay, expressed a forceful desire to immediately contribute "Shuddhi Money", and desired instructions regarding where to send the money and to whom etc etc. 3. To obtain the kind of information desired & needed by the Internet Hindus, I wrote a letter to Shri Ashok Singhal Jee. After writing the letter, I waited for Ashok Singhal reply. I waited and waited but no reply came & I gave up all hope of ever receiving a reply. But this afternoon (23 May 98), I received an absolute surprise to discover, in my mail box, a letter from Shri Sitaram Agarwal, All India Secretary, VHP, that replies my letter to Shri Ashok Singhal Jee. 4. Shri Sitaram Agarwal offers the following briefing: a. Yes, VHP needs money & lots of it to carry out Shuddhi and Seva and Dharam Prasar for the Tribals, Harijans, and the Dalits. b. However, under the present rules of the Government Of India, VHP cannot accept foreign donations without the permission of the government. c. To get around the problem of GOI rules hurdle, VHP has floated a TRUST under the name of "Bharat Kalyan Pratishthan" and VHP can now accept foreign money in the name of thisTrust provided the donor accompanies his donation with a letter saying that "this money is to be used for the Welfare of the Tribals and the Dalits." 5. Shri Sitaram Agarwal recommends the following procedure for the NRI Hindus: a. Send the money to: Secreatary "Bharat Kalyan Pratishthan", Sankat Mochan Ashram, Sector-VI, Ram Krishna Puram, New Delhi-110 022, INDIA. b. Include a letter (along with the donation money) stating that "this money is to be used for the Welfare of the Tribals and the Dalits." 6. Those of you who want to donate money to the VHP SHUDDHI program, can now do so by employing the procedure listed above in item # 5. 7. Without mincing words & sounds of doom, I want to awaken the memories of the Hindus to the threat that Hinduism faces, the threat that is mortal and absolutely real. Right at this very moment, Christians & Moslems are sending tons of money to India for their proselytism projects, in reality the Christians and the Moslems are in a Proselytism Business. Take a note of this: The Islamic Conference at Mecca launched a massive program of multiplying Moslem population in India through the conversion of weaker sections of Hindu society (Harijans & Dalits) with the usage of Petro-Dollars. As a consequence of this, open cries & calls are being roared by the Mullahs & Maulvies, inside the mosques of India, to Islamicize India. In one village of Meenakshipuram (Tamil Naidu), the entire Harijan population was coverted to Islam. This solid and massy Islamic success has emboldened the entire Islamic leadership and now open cries of "Repeating Meenakshipuram" are echoing around the walls of mosques of India. Inside the mosques, Moslem Mullahs & Maulvies are openly & unashamedly preaching a cult of larger families as an article of religious duty of every Moslem. Add to this the large scale infiltration of illegal Moslems from Bangladesh & Pakistan into India, as a result of which large pockets of Moslem majority districts are being created in India. As an added measure, polygamy, promiscuity, proselytism, and opposition to family planning in the name of Islam, are resulting in the formation of a Demographic Moslem Bomb in India. Thus through these various techniques of Islamic Jehad against the Kafir Hindus of India, Moslem numbers are increasing geometrically & as soon as they reach close to 50% of the population, cries for declaring India as an Islamic state (as it happened in Malaysia) will start roaring & thundering loudly. And the decimation of the Kafir Hindu will follow next soon after. Moslems are being diligently assisted in this Islamic Jehadic effort by the Christians who are also busy doing their damnest best to do us Hindus in. 8. To conclude, we Hindus do not have Petro-Dollars to support our Hindu Missionary effort nor do we have tons of Western Money that the Christian Missionaries receive. We Hindus are entirely on our own, we have to raise money entirely through our savings and sacrifices to save Hinduism from utter doom and we may have to eat grass to do it. Conversion & Reconversion back to Hinduism seem to me to be a good option and a good bet for Hinduism. --part0_905739661_boundary-- _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Pallod@aol.com Mon Sep 14 09:09:18 1998 From: Pallod@aol.com Message-ID: <432e294b.35fd153b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 09:08:11 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Cc: Pallod@aol.com, BBkulkarni@amoco.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Modann offends antoher religion - Houston Chronicle Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namashkar I have read this news on second page of Houston Chronicle with Monanna picture. Modanna has offended Catholics and Fundamentalist Christians with her provocative use of Christian symbols in her videos. Now, she has angered Hindus. Wearing an almost see-through T-shirt and a Hindu facial marking. Modanna performed Ray of Light at the MTV Music Video Awards. "Modann's MTV stage performance, which combined Eastern mysticsm with Western hedonism, did not sit well with sincere Hindus, Vaishnavas and Yoga practioners around the globe." the world Vaishnava Association said in a statement. During her performance, Modanna wore a Vaishnava tilak, a hold facial marking that "undermined the prinicples of purity the markings represent," said Tusta Krishnadas, a representative for the association, an umbrella group for the Vaishnava branch of Hinduism. by waring this sacred marking .... while gyrating in a sexually suggestive manner with her guitar player, Modonna offended Hindus and Vaishnavas throuout the world," Krishnadas said, demanding an aplogy from Modanna and MTV. Modanna received similar criticism from Christians several years ago over the use of relegious symbolism in her like a prayer video. ________________________________________________________________ I will be contacting Houston Chronicle to get the complete press release from Vaishnava Association. I will also talk to Ella Dutt of India Abroad who has covered about Modonna in this week paper. Should VHPA make statement about this issue. If anyone else heard about this story please share with VHPA. I strongly feel that VHPA should look in to this matter. Vijay Pallod _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From cbanerj@ccs.neu.edu Mon Sep 14 10:36:38 1998 From: Chandan Bandopadhyay Message-Id: <199809141436.KAA25727@denali.ccs.neu.edu> Subject: Re: India Abroad Meeting To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:36:32 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: from "Pallod@aol.com" at Sep 11, 98 07:44:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Dear Vijaybhai, I think the approach you've taken not only with IA but also with others are paying off a lot. I hope that some other people follow your suit to further the excellent working method you've undertaken. Regards, Kanchan > > Namashkar > > Last Monday I had chance to meet India Abroad publisher Gopal Raju, > Aziz Haniffa, and Ashok Ishwaran. I had an opportunity to discuss about > VHPA ,HSC, and HSS. I thanked them for giving good coverage about Dharma > Sansad. > > I have invited Ashok Ishwaran to my house for dinner. At dinner meeting > I briefed him about VHPA and HSS activities. > > My goad is to get good coverage in India Abroad. This year they have given > good coverage. This week they have covered VHPA Houston youth camp > with nice picture. > > Vijay Pallod > > _____________________________ > For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > > _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From shahajay@yahoo.com Mon Sep 14 13:28:18 1998 Message-ID: <19980914172042.13969.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:20:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Ajay Shah Subject: Re: Modann offends antoher religion - Houston Chronicle To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Cc: Pallod@aol.com, BBkulkarni@amoco.com, vicharak@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Namaskar, Before the performance by Madonna and subsequent to that, I was contacted by the organization that put out this press release (I have good contacts with them). Today, I have been contacted by a music reporter. So far i have not given any comments to either of them, pending reaction from VHP-GC and HSC-CC Here are the issues. 1. The performers with Madonna are local San Diego highschool/college students. 2. The performers are very devoute Hindus, attending our weekly Thursday bhajans 3. One of the sisters who performed regularly comes to HSC programs and has helped organize at least some programs. They also perform at the local temple functions 4. Their parents too, are active in the Hindu community. 5. Many (not all) HSC-talk participants have in fact expressed happiness over the performance and the way it projected India. As I said before, I have not presented AHAD viewpoint to anyone yet, pending your input. However, I do need to call the reporter back in about an hour (11:30 am PST). My Current thinking : 1. Balanced reaction, i.e., do not take extreme stance. 2. State that we understand the sentiments of the Hindus who have expressed displeasure because Hindu symbols have been abused in the past. 3. Commend the Hindu teenagers for bringig the Hindu art form to the forefront and to Madonna for giving them the opportunity 4. Most of our concerns are about Madonna's performance that followed after the Odissi dance, where the Hindu theme was still dominent. 5. Hindu art and symbols should not be unduely exploited for commercial gains. 6. Hindu customs and rituals should not be cheapened with sexual innuendos. 7. We are asking for an understanding of this, and not an apology (we may not explicitly write this) Comments? thanks -ajay ---Pallod@aol.com wrote: > > Namashkar > > I have read this news on second page of Houston Chronicle with Monanna > picture. > > Modanna has offended Catholics and Fundamentalist Christians with her > provocative use of Christian symbols in her videos. Now, she has angered > Hindus. > > Wearing an almost see-through T-shirt and a Hindu facial marking. Modanna > performed Ray of Light at the MTV Music Video Awards. > > > "Modann's MTV stage performance, which combined Eastern mysticsm with Western > hedonism, did not sit well with sincere Hindus, Vaishnavas and Yoga > practioners around the globe." the world Vaishnava Association said in a > statement. > > During her performance, Modanna wore a Vaishnava tilak, a hold facial marking > that "undermined the prinicples of purity the markings represent," said Tusta > Krishnadas, a representative for the association, an umbrella group for the > Vaishnava branch of Hinduism. > > by waring this sacred marking .... while gyrating in a sexually suggestive > manner with her guitar player, Modonna offended Hindus and Vaishnavas > throuout the world," Krishnadas said, demanding an aplogy from Modanna and > MTV. > > Modanna received similar criticism from Christians several years ago over the > use of relegious symbolism in her like a prayer video. > > ________________________________________________________________ > > I will be contacting Houston Chronicle to get the complete press release from > Vaishnava Association. I will also talk to Ella Dutt of India Abroad who has > covered about Modonna in this week paper. > > Should VHPA make statement about this issue. If anyone else heard about > this story please share with VHPA. > > I strongly feel that VHPA should look in to this matter. > > Vijay Pallod > > _____________________________ > For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Jitendra_Goel@qmail4.nba.TRW.COM Mon Sep 14 13:29:13 1998 Message-ID: Date: 14 Sep 1998 10:26:01 -0600 From: "Jitendra Goel" Subject: Re: India Abroad Meeting To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.3d2 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 9/14/98 10:21 AM RE>India Abroad Meeting Vijay, I was told by one of my friends that in last weeks India Abroad they had an article about VHP and RSS which was not very favorable. I have not seen it personally, so I can't say any thing more about it. I don't subscribe to India Abroad. I am trying to get a copy. Could you please look at it and talk to your contact if there is anything offensive in it. Thanx Jitendra ------------------------------ Date: 9/11/98 4:52 PM To: Goel, Jitendra From: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namashkar Last Monday I had chance to meet India Abroad publisher Gopal Raju, Aziz Haniffa, and Ashok Ishwaran. I had an opportunity to discuss about VHPA ,HSC, and HSS. I thanked them for giving good coverage about Dharma Sansad. I have invited Ashok Ishwaran to my house for dinner. At dinner meeting I briefed him about VHPA and HSS activities. My goad is to get good coverage in India Abroad. This year they have given good coverage. This week they have covered VHPA Houston youth camp with nice picture. Vijay Pallod _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by qmail4.sp.trw.com with ADMIN;11 Sep 1998 16:51:59 -0700 Received: from www10.clever.net ([209.196.48.254]) by mail-relay1.trw.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA17637 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 16:48:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id TAA15752; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 19:45:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Pallod@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 19:44:17 EDT To: VHP GC List Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: India Abroad Meeting Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From nandsharma@algw2.lucent.com Mon Sep 14 16:55:03 1998 Message-ID: From: "Sharma, Nand K (Nand)" To: "'vhpgc-l@hindunet.org'" Cc: Pallod@aol.com, BBkulkarni@amoco.com, vicharak@aol.com Subject: RE: Modann offends antoher religion - Houston Chronicle Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 16:54:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ajay and Vijay: Not having seen the performance makes it difficult to make appropriate comments about it. However, if it has hurt the sentiments of several devout Hindus, there has to be something about the contents or the method of presentation that must be offensive (unless ofcourse, we are talking about overly sensitive people). Perhaps, as you suggest,we should first seek a clarification of the event/performance while pointing out that it seems to have offended many Hindus' sentiments. The other points you made about the central theme of most Hindu art forms being our expression of devotion and service to God, and should therefore, not be brought to the level of cheap commercialization must also be conveyed. Who is the sponsor of this performance? Has this been converted into a video? Will this be repeated elsewhere? We have to document specific issues that hurt our sentiments which only the viewers of this performance can outline, if we want to proceed further. I agree with Vijay that we need to look more into this to find the specifics> Nand Kishore > ---------- > From: Ajay Shah[SMTP:shahajay@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, September 14, 1998 1:20 PM > To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Cc: Pallod@aol.com; BBkulkarni@amoco.com; vicharak@aol.com > Subject: Re: Modann offends antoher religion - Houston Chronicle > > Namaskar, > > Before the performance by Madonna and subsequent to that, I was > contacted by the organization that put out this press release (I have > good contacts with them). Today, I have been contacted by a music > reporter. So far i have not given any comments to either of them, > pending reaction from VHP-GC and HSC-CC > > Here are the issues. > > 1. The performers with Madonna are local San Diego highschool/college > students. > > 2. The performers are very devoute Hindus, attending our weekly > Thursday bhajans > > 3. One of the sisters who performed regularly comes to HSC programs > and has helped organize at least some programs. They also perform at > the local temple functions > > 4. Their parents too, are active in the Hindu community. > > 5. Many (not all) HSC-talk participants have in fact expressed > happiness over the performance and the way it projected India. > > As I said before, I have not presented AHAD viewpoint to anyone yet, > pending your input. However, I do need to call the reporter back in > about an hour (11:30 am PST). > > My Current thinking : > > 1. Balanced reaction, i.e., do not take extreme stance. > > 2. State that we understand the sentiments of the Hindus who have > expressed displeasure because Hindu symbols have been abused in the > past. > > 3. Commend the Hindu teenagers for bringig the Hindu art form to the > forefront and to Madonna for giving them the opportunity > > 4. Most of our concerns are about Madonna's performance that followed > after the Odissi dance, where the Hindu theme was still dominent. > > 5. Hindu art and symbols should not be unduely exploited for > commercial gains. > > 6. Hindu customs and rituals should not be cheapened with sexual > innuendos. > > 7. We are asking for an understanding of this, and not an apology (we > may not explicitly write this) > > Comments? > > thanks > > -ajay > > > > > > > ---Pallod@aol.com wrote: > > > > Namashkar > > > > I have read this news on second page of Houston Chronicle with Monanna > > picture. > > > > Modanna has offended Catholics and Fundamentalist Christians with her > > provocative use of Christian symbols in her videos. Now, she has > angered > > Hindus. > > > > Wearing an almost see-through T-shirt and a Hindu facial marking. > Modanna > > performed Ray of Light at the MTV Music Video Awards. > > > > > > "Modann's MTV stage performance, which combined Eastern mysticsm > with Western > > hedonism, did not sit well with sincere Hindus, Vaishnavas and Yoga > > practioners around the globe." the world Vaishnava Association said > in a > > statement. > > > > During her performance, Modanna wore a Vaishnava tilak, a hold > facial marking > > that "undermined the prinicples of purity the markings represent," > said Tusta > > Krishnadas, a representative for the association, an umbrella group > for the > > Vaishnava branch of Hinduism. > > > > by waring this sacred marking .... while gyrating in a sexually > suggestive > > manner with her guitar player, Modonna offended Hindus and Vaishnavas > > throuout the world," Krishnadas said, demanding an aplogy from > Modanna and > > MTV. > > > > Modanna received similar criticism from Christians several years ago > over the > > use of relegious symbolism in her like a prayer video. > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > > > I will be contacting Houston Chronicle to get the complete press > release from > > Vaishnava Association. I will also talk to Ella Dutt of India Abroad > who has > > covered about Modonna in this week paper. > > > > Should VHPA make statement about this issue. If anyone else heard > about > > this story please share with VHPA. > > > > I strongly feel that VHPA should look in to this matter. > > > > Vijay Pallod > > > > _____________________________ > > For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: > owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > Comments and questions are welcome, use: > owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > _____________________________ > For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > > _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From mihir@eyepiece.com Mon Sep 14 17:27:29 1998 Message-ID: <003001bde026$deff6320$114c4c0c@meghanis> From: "Mihir Meghani" To: "VHP GC List" Subject: madonna Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 17:26:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2110.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namaste, After having reviewed the emails and gotten further information from Ajaybhai, I think that VHP, through, AHADC, should issue a statement on the Madonna matter. This is important as the image of VHP must be a leader that represents the voive of Hindus. However, everytime something happens with Hinduism, denigration or commercialization, we do not have to respond with the same vigor. Our response should be weighted with each each incident. I think this incident calls for a middle ground response noting that we appreciate the publicity given to Hindu dancing, but explaining why Hindu art forms should not be mixed with non-spiritual sexual innuendos. Regards, Mihir _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From HHParikh@aol.com Mon Sep 14 22:56:48 1998 From: HHParikh@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 22:55:46 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Vivekananda Family Camp 1998 (VHP North East Region) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Dear Brothers and Sisters, I am forwarding a letter by Swami Tadatmanada of Arsha Vidya Gurululam abo= ut the Vivekananda Family Camp that was held in Bradford, NH from August 23-2= 9, 1998 Brotherly with best regards, Hasit Dear Hasit and Taru, Namaskar! Got your phone message but was too busy over the weekend to reply. I'm he= re all week if you need to speak with me. I certainly enjoyed the week a lot= ! Below is a paragraph of my impressions as you requested: It was a great delight for me to join all of you at the VHP Family Camp in= New Hampshire this August. The secluded lakeside resort was an ideal setting = for a fun week of classes, satsang, and recreation. The organizers did a grea= t job. The enthusiasm and dedication of the volunteers was amazing! All this hard work created a wonderful environment saturated with love, respect, and Hindu culture=97for the sake of teaching the children. The excellent selection classes and topics addressed the needs of children of = all ages. And most importantly, the children enjoyed it. They left the camp reluctantly, enriched by a week's immersion in Hindu culture, and eager to attend next year's camp. Congratulations to you all for this immensely successful camp! -- Swami Tadatmananda arsha@epix.net Arsha Vidya Gurukulam, Institute of Vedanta and Sanskrit www.arshavidya.org PO Box 1059 voice: 717-992-2339 ext 235 Saylorsburg, PA 18353 fax: 717-992-7150 _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Vartalapa@aol.com Tue Sep 15 10:26:26 1998 From: Vartalapa@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:25:26 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: madonna Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org For what it is worth I agree with Mihir. We should thank Madonna for the exposure to Odissi dancing a temple dance form containing some excusite Mudras, while reminding her and ourselves that different traditions of the world hold different views about how something should be dipicted. She should be told to please keep the sentiments of old traditions in mind. A gentle nudge to the basic humanity within a person may be enough in this case. Renu S Malhotra _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From abhaya@ihgw2.lucent.com Tue Sep 15 13:06:58 1998 Message-Id: <35FE9D7C.32D26AB@lucent.com> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:01:48 -0400 From: "abhaya asthana, 978-960-4273" Organization: Bell Labs, Lucent Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: madonna References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Renu Bahen, Namaste You and Mihir have said it very nicely. abhaya ------------- Vartalapa@aol.com wrote: > > For what it is worth I agree with Mihir. We should thank Madonna for the > exposure to Odissi dancing a temple dance form containing some excusite > Mudras, while reminding her and ourselves that different traditions of the > world hold different views about how something should be dipicted. She should > be told to please keep the sentiments of old traditions in mind. A gentle > nudge to the basic humanity within a person may be enough in this case. > > Renu S Malhotra > > _____________________________ > For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From srtiwari@hotmail.com Wed Sep 16 00:50:28 1998 Message-ID: <19980916044953.13629.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [170.140.250.90] From: "shyam tiwari" To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: madonna Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 21:49:52 PDT X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Namste, I would view this whole issue from an ignorant person's perspective who has just learned something new from another spiritual tradition while still not knowing the accurate meaning and its spiritual value and relationship to human mind. Since Maddona's 'Ray of light' album I have constantly tried to get the feel for what she is upto. I happened to watch her program on MTV where she talked about deeper meaning of life and spirituality. I also read that after being heavily criticised for her mispronouncing Sanskrit Mantras, she took lot of pain to correctly learn the pronunciation and rendered it accurately on MTV program. Anyway, my approach would be non-reactionary and to educate her on the inappripriate aspect of her performance. If it continues to happen then I would think she is knowingly trying to corrupt the spiritual meaning of Mantras and take strong action. In any case, I would refrain from issuing any press realease which asks for apology. Regards, Shyam Tiwari >From ghen@www10.clever.net Tue Sep 15 07:29:25 1998 >Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id KAA20005; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:26:33 -0400 (EDT) >From: Vartalapa@aol.com >Message-ID: >Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:25:26 EDT >To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Subject: Re: madonna >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 >X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > >For what it is worth I agree with Mihir. We should thank Madonna for the >exposure to Odissi dancing a temple dance form containing some excusite >Mudras, while reminding her and ourselves that different traditions of the >world hold different views about how something should be dipicted. She should >be told to please keep the sentiments of old traditions in mind. A gentle >nudge to the basic humanity within a person may be enough in this case. > >Renu S Malhotra > >_____________________________ >For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From shahajay@yahoo.com Wed Sep 16 23:03:00 1998 Message-ID: <19980917030030.24057.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 20:00:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Ajay Shah Subject: AHAD Press Release To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="-2131474914-1884832116-906001230=:11986" X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---2131474914-1884832116-906001230=:11986 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---2131474914-1884832116-906001230=:11986 Content-Type: text/html; name="ahad.htm" Content-Description: ahad.htm Content-Disposition: inline; filename="ahad.htm" ahad

American Hindu Against Defamation (AHAD)

A Coalition of Hindu Organizations Convened by World Hindu Council (VHP-A)

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American Hindus Against Defamation Comments on Madonna’s Performance at the M-TV Music Show

 

American Hindus Against Defamation (AHAD), formerly American Hindu Anti-Defamation Coalition has issued the following statement about Madonna’s performance at the MTV music show where Indian classical dance was featured.

American Hindus Against Defamation (AHAD) appreciates Madonna’s efforts to highlight the traditional Hindu customs. Her performance began by chanting serene mantras from the Vedic scriptures followed by Odissi dance. Hindu cultural and religious symbols were prominently used during the performance.

American Hindus Against Defamation commends the Hindu youths who participated in the dance performance for a remarkable presentation and for bringing the magnificent Indian classical dance to the world audience.

AHAD is aware of the sentiments expressed by certain Hindu groups against the performance. We understand their feelings. We believe that most of their comments pertain to Madonna’s performance following the Odissi dance and during the performance of her hit single "Rays of Light."

The concerns expressed by the Hindu community are due to the fact that during the performance of "Rays of Light" the Hindu theme and Hindu symbols used in the earlier part were still dominant. This led to the reports such as the one by Reuters, which claimed that Madonna was "decked out in Brahmin face makeup and a see-through white tank top". This characterization has been most hurtful to the Hindus. Since Reuters is one of the largest international news agency, this article may appear in hundreds if not thousands of papers and news agencies worldwide.

AHAD and the worldwide Hindu community believes that Hindu customs and rituals should not be cheapened with sexual innuendoes, and Hindu religious symbols should not be exploited for commercial gains.

Hindus are very tolerant and always open to people sincerely interested in understanding their philosophy and way of life. Madonna is most welcome if she is a sincere seeker. If not, then AHAD requests that in future she refrain from inappropriate use of Hindu symbols.

AHAD is a coalition of several Hindu organizations. AHAD is convened by World Hindu Council (Vishwa Hindu Parishad of America – VHP-A). VHP-A is one of the largest Hindu organizations in North America. AHAD was at the forefront of action against Aerosmith’s portrayal of Hindu God Krishna on the cover of its album Nine Lives. AHAD can be reached at http://www.hindunet.org/ahad/ For more information about AHAD please contact Ajay Shah ahad@hindunet.org or call (619) 484 4564

 

 

 ---2131474914-1884832116-906001230=:11986-- _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From srtiwari@hotmail.com Thu Sep 17 17:08:04 1998 Message-ID: <19980917210730.10479.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [38.245.254.3] From: "shyam tiwari" To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: AHAD Press Release Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 14:07:28 PDT X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Namaste, An excellent press release. Regards, Shyam Tiwari >From ghen@www10.clever.net Wed Sep 16 20:09:34 1998 >Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id XAA10506; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 23:03:18 -0400 (EDT) >Message-ID: <19980917030030.24057.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com> >Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 20:00:30 -0700 (PDT) >From: Ajay Shah >Subject: AHAD Press Release >To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="-2131474914-1884832116-906001230=:11986" >X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From HHParikh@aol.com Thu Sep 17 22:44:24 1998 From: HHParikh@aol.com Message-ID: <9ee42a3d.3601c8e4@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 22:43:48 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: AHAD Press Release Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Well done on press release Thanks & Best regards, Hasit _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From mihir@eyepiece.com Fri Sep 18 21:03:09 1998 Message-ID: <000b01bde369$a71b5720$d780d98d@meghanis> From: "Mihir Meghani" To: "VHP GC List" Subject: Hindus in South Africa Organize Marathon for Peace Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 20:53:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2110.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org PRESS RELEASE Hindus in South Africa Organize Marathon for Peace Global Hindu Youth Activities Network (GHYAN) announces the 1st ever Hindu Marathon and Fun Run in South Africa. This event is being organized by Hindu Swayamsevak Sangh and Hindu Sevika Samiti of South Africa in association with the Tongaat Panthers Athletic Club. It will be held Thursday, September 24, beginning at 7am at the Kings Park Athletic Stadium in Durban. This is the launch of an annual event that seeks to bring all South Africans, regardless of race or religion, together to build bridges amongst people and promote peace. Thus, it is not only a sporting event, but also a cultural and social event. The theme this year is “PEACE RUN.” Significantly, Satish Komol, one of the organizers of the event, explains, “We have chosen South Africa’s Heritage Day to launch this event. It will be nothing short of a celebration of South Africa’s democracy and rainbow family.” Amith Singh, another HSS worker and event organizer, added, “The Hindu marathon will invoke a Community Spirit which will boost South Africa’ s international reputation.” The day will be filled with cultural activities and entertainment for the entire family. All those present will be served a free Hindu vegetarian meal. The half-marathon is a distance of 21.1 km. 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place winners in men and ladies’ categories based on age, and teams of 4, will be awarded monetary prizes totaling over 3000 South African Rand. All half-marathon finishers will get gold medals. Lucky dip prizes will also be awarded. The fun run is a distance of 5 km and all finishers will get silver medals. Hindu Swayamsevak Sangh and Hindu Sevika Samiti are socio-religious organizations which are involved in the development of our society through character building activities. Presently, the organization has activities in 22 areas around South Africa, and is part of the global Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh and Rashtriya Sevika Samiti based in Bharat (India), the largest volunteer-based organizations in the world. The Hindu marathon was first conceived in Bradford (UK) in 1984 and has grown to become one of the largest marathons in the UK with athletes from all over the world. Global Hindu Youth Activities Network was started by Hindu Students Council (USA) and the National Hindu Youth Federation (South Africa) in 1993 to foster cooperation between Hindu student and youth organizations worldwide. For more information on GHYAN, please email ghyan@hindunet.org or write to Hindu Students Council, PO Box 9185, Boston, MA 02114 USA. Fore more information about the Hindu Marathon, or Hindu Swayamsevak Sangh, please email Shri Anith Maharaj at hsssa@mweb.co.za, call 031-3071970, fax 031-3071985, or write to HSS, PO Box 48563, Qualbert, Durban – 4078, South Africa. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Pallod@aol.com Sat Sep 19 10:21:25 1998 From: Pallod@aol.com Message-ID: <17a7f957.3603bda2@aol.com> Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 10:20:18 EDT To: VHPGC-L@HINDUNET.ORG Cc: HRTALK@HINDUNET.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: INDIA ABROAD COVERAGE about Modonna Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namashkar In my opinion India Abroad has given positive coverage about Modanna . Western Media has given very negative coverage. By the time we finished our press release Ella dutt finished her report. Hopefully in the future we can come out with press release lot earlier. Vijay Pallod INDIA ABROAD September 18, 1998 THE ARTS - Music ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Memorable night for Odissi dancers and Madonna By ELA DUTT NEW YORK -- While the globally televised MTV Video Awards ceremony held on Sept. 10 in Los Angeles was a memorable night for pop star Madonna -- who walked away with five awards for her Indian-inspired "Ray of Light" CD -- it was the performance of a lifetime for Odissi dancers Laboni, 20, Shibani, 17, and Shalini, 16, who performed with Madonna at the awards. Since Sept. 5, the Patnaik Sisters had been rehearsing with Madonna, the "Material Girl" turned spiritual with the birth of her daughter, Lourdes, who turns 2 this October. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From left, Odissi dancers Shibani, Laboni and Shalini with pop star Madonna at the MTV Video awards ceremony in Los Angeles on Sept. 10. Shalini is holding Madonna's daughter Lourdes. (Photo: The Patnaik Sisters) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ At the awards night performance of Shanti/Ashtangi, one of the songs on the "Ray of Light" disk, Madonna chose gigantic backdrops featuring Indian religious characters -- Ganesh, Radha and Krishna, and Saraswati. "For those two minutes of the performance, everything looked very Indian and it was unique to see an MTV Awards ceremony so influenced by Indian culture," Laboni enthused. During rehearsals for choreographing the show, the Patnaik sisters said they spend some "personal time" with Madonna. For one of the rehearsals, Madonna brought Lourdes, nicknamed Lola, in full Indian dress -- a blue salwar kameez with gold embroidery, jewelry and a bindi. Madonna said she had bought the clothes from Artesia, the Little India in Los Angeles."Madonna was very warm and friendly and treated us as very special," Laboni said, and after the MTV night performance, she invited them to her "After Party" of select friends including actors Brooke Shields and Cameron Diaz. On the advice of her yoga teacher, "Kim" who runs the Ahimsa Yoga studio on Sunset Boulevard, Los Angeles, Madonna invited the Odissi dancers to choreograph Shanti/Ashtangi for MTV video awards night. That was less than a month ago. The girls have been learning Odissi since they were 5 to 10 years of age. Madonna's personal manager earlier told India Abroad that the superstar was "just very impressed" by the Sisters. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Pallod@aol.com Sat Sep 19 10:25:00 1998 From: Pallod@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 10:24:18 EDT To: VHPGC-L@HINDUNET.ORG Cc: "Brij B. Garg" Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: VHP's week-long Vivekananda Camp Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namaskhar Brijji Good media work has been done. Looks like most of the papers have covered the camp story. Vijay Pallod INDIA ABROAD September 18, 1998 COMMUNITY AFFAIRS ------------------------------------------------------------------------ VHP's week-long Vivekananda Camp By a Staff Writer NEW YORK -- The Vishwa Hindu Parishad of America held its week-long annual Vivekanda Camp late last month at Bradford, New Hampshire. In all, 149 people of all ages attended the camp, aimed at inculcating the values and culture of Hinduism in the first generation and future Hindu immigrants, a release said. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Swami Tadatmananda of Arsha Vidya Gurukulam in Pennsylvania, conducting a class for youth at the annual Vivekanda Camp of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad of America at Bradford, New Hampshire, late last month. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ A majority of the attendees, 78, were under the age of 18 and hence the focus of activities was geared to cater to their needs. They were divided into five age groups for educational classes and projects, and for contact sports, they were grouped according to their physical prowess and gender, the release said. Parents stayed in separate cabins. Each day started at 7 a.m. with meditation and yoga classes. Besides educational classes and projects, other programs included discussions, leadership training for youth, waterfront activities like swimming, canoeing and kayaking, and other sports and games. There was also an expedition to nearby 2935-feet Mt. Kearsarge. Among those made it to the top were six-year-old Rushil Shah and 72-year-old Shantaben Shah, the release said. The classes were conducted by volunteer parents and Swami Tadatmananda of Arsha Vidya Gurukulam in Pennsylvania. The parishad has been organizing the camp for more than 20 years, the release added. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From jlakhia@umich.edu Sat Sep 19 18:14:37 1998 From: "Jwalant Lakhia" To: "'Vhp-gc'" Subject: Do we have any position o this issue?? Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 18:17:46 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bde41b$5b5096e0$2abc4acf@ppp.umd.umich.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namaskar: Following article is published on www.rediff.com, one of the most popular website for Indian news. How do we respond to something like this?? Jwalant BJP, RSS and VHP face Shankaracharya's ire Shankaracharya Adhokshajanandji Tirth vehemently attacked the Bharatiya Janta Party, the Rashtriya Swayamsewak Sangh and the Vishva Hindu Parishad on their policies regarding the Hindu religion. He said it posed a great danger before the country. Launching the onslaught, the Shankaracharya alleged that the leaders of these organisations were neither true nationalists or religious minded. They misguide the entire society, and had been inciting the youth against the sadhus and sanyasis who spoke against them. He, however, did not name any leaders openly. "You better know them," he quipped, and said leaders had collected millions of rupees in the name of Lord Rama by means of bricks and rath yatra for the Ram mandir at Ayodhya. In spite of demands, accounts of the same had not been declared. Referring to RSS and VHP leaders as dalals (brokers), the Shankaracharya alleged that the BJP-led Union government was misusing its power at the whims of VHP and RSS leaders. He added that they did not like the true dharma charya speaking against their ''black deeds.'' They had nothing to do with the Hindu religion, instead they had always threatened the true protectors of the religion -- like the world recognised Shankaracharya. The visibly annoyed Shankaracharya said some such dharma charyas had even entered politics and gained power by unfair means. ''Satta unke bap ki jayajad nahi hai'' (power is not the property of their father), he thundered. Comparing them with Mahatma Gandhi's simplicity and his contribution towards India's freedom, he said these inefficient people were enjoying power in the name of religion and had destroyed the entire health of the society. UNI _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From srtiwari@hotmail.com Sun Sep 20 01:50:46 1998 Message-ID: <19980920055010.26237.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [170.140.250.207] From: "shyam tiwari" To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Subject: Re: Do we have any position o this issue?? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 22:50:10 PDT X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Namaste, I read this the day it came out. I felt very bad personally but in strategic terms I think this kind of outburst is not different than the other opponents of Sangh Parivar. I would not waste time in responding to such meaningless criticism. As far as I can remember this particular Peeth is known to hurl such remarks against us. Please correct me if I am wrong. By commenting on this publicly, we would be doing favour to him in gaining popularity amongst known Hindu bashers. It could be that he feels some kind of threat to his position from any Hindu movement where he doesn't have any say or could by jealousy, we never know the mindset. But I think this is another good opportunity as lot of work still needs to be done even amongst the people occupying the highest spiritual seats. Regards, Shyam Tiwari >From ghen@www10.clever.net Sat Sep 19 15:15:58 1998 >Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id SAA19621; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 18:14:41 -0400 (EDT) >From: "Jwalant Lakhia" >To: "'Vhp-gc'" >Subject: Do we have any position o this issue?? >Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 18:17:46 -0400 >Message-ID: <000001bde41b$5b5096e0$2abc4acf@ppp.umd.umich.edu> >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >X-Priority: 3 (Normal) >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 >Importance: Normal >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 >X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > >Namaskar: >Following article is published on www.rediff.com, one of the most popular >website for Indian news. How do we respond to something like this?? > >Jwalant >BJP, RSS and VHP face Shankaracharya's ire >Shankaracharya Adhokshajanandji Tirth vehemently attacked the Bharatiya >Janta Party, the Rashtriya Swayamsewak Sangh and the Vishva Hindu Parishad >on their policies regarding the Hindu religion. He said it posed a great >danger before the country. >Launching the onslaught, the Shankaracharya alleged that the leaders of >these organisations were neither true nationalists or religious minded. They >misguide the entire society, and had been inciting the youth against the >sadhus and sanyasis who spoke against them. >He, however, did not name any leaders openly. "You better know them," he >quipped, and said leaders had collected millions of rupees in the name of >Lord Rama by means of bricks and rath yatra for the Ram mandir at Ayodhya. >In spite of demands, accounts of the same had not been declared. >Referring to RSS and VHP leaders as dalals (brokers), the Shankaracharya >alleged that the BJP-led Union government was misusing its power at the >whims of VHP and RSS leaders. He added that they did not like the true >dharma charya speaking against their ''black deeds.'' >They had nothing to do with the Hindu religion, instead they had always >threatened the true protectors of the religion -- like the world recognised >Shankaracharya. >The visibly annoyed Shankaracharya said some such dharma charyas had even >entered politics and gained power by unfair means. ''Satta unke bap ki >jayajad nahi hai'' (power is not the property of their father), he >thundered. >Comparing them with Mahatma Gandhi's simplicity and his contribution towards >India's freedom, he said these inefficient people were enjoying power in the >name of religion and had destroyed the entire health of the society. >UNI > > >_____________________________ >For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Vartalapa@aol.com Sun Sep 20 10:05:26 1998 From: Vartalapa@aol.com Message-ID: <4f3227fd.36050b78@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 10:04:40 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Do we have any position o this issue?? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org I think this is equivalent to fundamentalist religious outburst, same as any other. It is the age old human struggle for power and dominance, which can be had over ignorant & overly submissive people. As far as our organization is concerned, we just concluded a Dharma Sansad. By this action we showed our agreement that our dharmacharyas have a role to play. However, we the Hindu masses also have a role, which is of an enlightened people. The time of falling at everyone's feet is no more. But when we do bow down it has more meaning. I think it is a time in the history of humanity for immense changes. I also believe that it will eventually lead to a fairer, better time period in the world. Some of those who are part of a power structure in all religions will feel threatened and say this type of stuff. We have to show what we are doing and then keep moving honestly towards what we see to be the right thing. So! you have my opinion. Good wishes, Renu S Malhotra _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From shahajay@yahoo.com Mon Sep 21 16:06:09 1998 Message-ID: <19980921190754.27377.rocketmail@send104.yahoomail.com> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 12:07:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Ajay Shah Subject: Re: Do we have any position o this issue?? To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ashokanandaji Tirth, Shankaracharya of Puri is one of the "cong-i shankaracharyas" - has been for a while now. My suggestion : ignore him, like the rest of India and Hindus do. -ajay ---Jwalant Lakhia wrote: > > Namaskar: > Following article is published on www.rediff.com, one of the most popular > website for Indian news. How do we respond to something like this?? > > Jwalant > BJP, RSS and VHP face Shankaracharya's ire > Shankaracharya Adhokshajanandji Tirth vehemently attacked the Bharatiya > Janta Party, the Rashtriya Swayamsewak Sangh and the Vishva Hindu Parishad > on their policies regarding the Hindu religion. He said it posed a great > danger before the country. > Launching the onslaught, the Shankaracharya alleged that the leaders of > these organisations were neither true nationalists or religious minded. They > misguide the entire society, and had been inciting the youth against the > sadhus and sanyasis who spoke against them. > He, however, did not name any leaders openly. "You better know them," he > quipped, and said leaders had collected millions of rupees in the name of > Lord Rama by means of bricks and rath yatra for the Ram mandir at Ayodhya. > In spite of demands, accounts of the same had not been declared. > Referring to RSS and VHP leaders as dalals (brokers), the Shankaracharya > alleged that the BJP-led Union government was misusing its power at the > whims of VHP and RSS leaders. He added that they did not like the true > dharma charya speaking against their ''black deeds.'' > They had nothing to do with the Hindu religion, instead they had always > threatened the true protectors of the religion -- like the world recognised > Shankaracharya. > The visibly annoyed Shankaracharya said some such dharma charyas had even > entered politics and gained power by unfair means. ''Satta unke bap ki > jayajad nahi hai'' (power is not the property of their father), he > thundered. > Comparing them with Mahatma Gandhi's simplicity and his contribution towards > India's freedom, he said these inefficient people were enjoying power in the > name of religion and had destroyed the entire health of the society. > UNI > > > _____________________________ > For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Jitendra_Goel@qmail4.nba.TRW.COM Mon Sep 21 17:15:32 1998 Message-ID: Date: 21 Sep 1998 14:04:28 -0600 From: "Jitendra Goel" Subject: Re: Do we have any position To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 4.0.3d2 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 9/21/98 2:00 PM RE>>Do we have any position o this issue?? I agree with Ajay's approach.It is a shame that our Dharmachrayas are getting into politics.Present Puri Shankaracharya is known for this kind of activities. Jitendra ------------------------------ Date: 9/21/98 1:19 PM To: Goel, Jitendra From: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Ashokanandaji Tirth, Shankaracharya of Puri is one of the "cong-i shankaracharyas" - has been for a while now. My suggestion : ignore him, like the rest of India and Hindus do. -ajay ---Jwalant Lakhia wrote: > > Namaskar: > Following article is published on www.rediff.com, one of the most popular > website for Indian news. How do we respond to something like this?? > > Jwalant > BJP, RSS and VHP face Shankaracharya's ire > Shankaracharya Adhokshajanandji Tirth vehemently attacked the Bharatiya > Janta Party, the Rashtriya Swayamsewak Sangh and the Vishva Hindu Parishad > on their policies regarding the Hindu religion. He said it posed a great > danger before the country. > Launching the onslaught, the Shankaracharya alleged that the leaders of > these organisations were neither true nationalists or religious minded. They > misguide the entire society, and had been inciting the youth against the > sadhus and sanyasis who spoke against them. > He, however, did not name any leaders openly. "You better know them," he > quipped, and said leaders had collected millions of rupees in the name of > Lord Rama by means of bricks and rath yatra for the Ram mandir at Ayodhya. > In spite of demands, accounts of the same had not been declared. > Referring to RSS and VHP leaders as dalals (brokers), the Shankaracharya > alleged that the BJP-led Union government was misusing its power at the > whims of VHP and RSS leaders. He added that they did not like the true > dharma charya speaking against their ''black deeds.'' > They had nothing to do with the Hindu religion, instead they had always > threatened the true protectors of the religion -- like the world recognised > Shankaracharya. > The visibly annoyed Shankaracharya said some such dharma charyas had even > entered politics and gained power by unfair means. ''Satta unke bap ki > jayajad nahi hai'' (power is not the property of their father), he > thundered. > Comparing them with Mahatma Gandhi's simplicity and his contribution towards > India's freedom, he said these inefficient people were enjoying power in the > name of religion and had destroyed the entire health of the society. > UNI > > > _____________________________ > For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by qmail4.sp.trw.com with ADMIN;21 Sep 1998 13:18:30 -0700 Received: from www10.clever.net (www10.clever.net [209.196.48.254]) by mail-relay2.trw.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA15497 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:13:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id QAA06517; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 16:06:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980921190754.27377.rocketmail@send104.yahoomail.com> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 12:07:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Ajay Shah Subject: Re: Do we have any position o this issue?? To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Pallod@aol.com Thu Sep 24 22:23:39 1998 From: Pallod@aol.com Message-ID: <49359ef1.360afe7f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 22:22:55 EDT To: VHPGC-L@HINDUNET.ORG Cc: HRTALK@HINDUNET.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: RSS on Rampage - India Today Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Sep 28,1998 THE GOVERNMENT RSS On The Rampage With the BJP firmly in the saddle, the Sangh Parivar wants more say in the Government's policies and functioning. By Sumit Mitra and Harinder Baweja September 13, a drizzly Sunday in Delhi, the speakers at the inauguration ceremony of the "Swadeshi Mela" office presented a picture in contrast. Finance Minister Yashwant Sinha, dressed in a blended-silk kurta, sat somewhat stiffly through a meandering speech, which came from K.S. Sudarshan, the joint general-secretary (sahsarkaryavaha) of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), the saffron "high command" of the ruling BJP. As Sudarshan rambled on, lacing his critique of globalisation with earthy tales from the Indian epics, Sinha looked discomfited. Sudarshan's phraseology was hick-town, but his attacks were poisoned darts aimed at the proponents of reform, including Sinha. Sudarshan said the post-1991 reform was as bad as the pre-1991 socialist tilt. He criticised trade liberalisation because it "destroys our national self-confidence", ridiculed the "urban orientation" of economic policy-makers and lambasted the import of "job-killing" technologies which is "pushing our youngsters into terrorism and crimes". The embarrassed finance minister rose to speak with palpable trepidation. A former bureaucrat with a modern mind and a late convert to the saffron cult, Sinha knew that his cocktail-circuit image as a reformer might blow on his face before this swadeshi Ayatollah. Playing as safe as he could, he spoke about the success of the Resurgent India Bond, said a few politically correct things about traditional capitalism being on the retreat and ended his speech -- a bit too hurriedly -- with the promise of a "compassionate economic order (karuna par adharit ...)". Sinha's discomfiture is understandable. With the BJP in the saddle, the saffron flag (bhagwa dhwaj) of the RSS has begun casting its long shadow on the Government. Of course the RSS has velvet gloves on its mailed fist. But fist it has, with 1.25 lakh shakhas, 15 lakh student members of the ABVP (larger than the Congress' NSUI), 45 lakh members of the Bharatiya Mazdoor Sangh (the country's largest trade union organisation) and the mammoth Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP), whose members nobody has counted as it not a registered body (many liken its size to the entire Catholic Church). The BJP, with its 1.7 crore "traceable" members is but a subsidiary of the Sangh. So if the Sangh asks the BJP to bend, it would better crawl. ROLLBACK--SJM STYLE Ban on foreign investment in the insurance sector. No control counterguarantee for any project. "Why should the government take business risk." Review of new exim policy. Withdraw ban on manufacture of common salt. No 100 per cent FDI in liquor and tobacco sectors. To qualify as 'swadeshi', a firm must have at least 51 per cent domestic stake. That the saffron high command is not endorsing the BJP's style of governance became evident from a rather imperious visit to Lucknow by RSS sarsanghchalak (supremo) Rajendra Singh, known in saffron circles as Rajju Bhaiyya. Riding over the head of Kalyan Singh, the BJP chief minister of Uttar Pradesh, the RSS leader summoned over 60 top IAS and IPS officers,including the chief secretary and the director-general of police, to lecture them on the state's declining law-and-order situation. The Sangh has not even spared Home Minister L.K. Advani, considered a saffron diehard. After the massacre of 26 people, all of them Hindus, at Doda in Jammu and Kashmir VHP President Vishnu Hari Dalmia said, "Anyone would feel greatly embarassed to defend the performance of the first BJP Government at the Centre in the face of such gruesome killings." A week later on August 8, VHP Secretary General Acharya Giriraj Kishore gave Advani six months to "improve" his performance. Besides, minor skirmishes between the Sangh and the Government have continued. Panchjanya, the RSS mouthpiece, upbraided Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee for forgetting to include Janmashtami (birthday of Lord Krishna) greetings in his August 15 speech and for "overlooking" the late Deendayal Upadhyaya, former Jan Sangh president and ideologue, in the laudatory but routine list of past national leaders. The saffron intervention, however, has taken a new turn under the leadership of the Swadeshi Jagran Manch (SJM), a forum of the RSS formed five years ago. A brainchild of the late Balasaheb Deoras, former RSS chief, the SJM was conceived as a protectionist bulwark against the economic liberalisation begun by the Congress government of P.V. Narasimha Rao in 1991. But it is one thing for an RSS outfit to criticise the Congress or the United Front, another to attack a government of the Sangh. Last week, the Vajpayee Government was embarassed when the SJM took its protest to the street. Its 24-day "Chetna Yatra" started on September 17 and will carry its anti-globalisation programme on 25 "raths" to 300 of the country's 500-odd districts through public rallies and musical compositions based on economic"patriotism". Muralidhar Rao, SJM's organising secretary, is a 34-year-old RSS pracharak with a masters in political science from Osmania University and has worked for the Sangh in Rajasthan and Jammu and Kashmir. In December 1994, the SJM organised a "Chetna Yatra" whose thrust was opposition to India signing the GATT. Though the present war cry is against globalisation -- the SJM is opposed tooth and nail to let the Indian rupee fully float and would even like India to give up its WTO membership in 1999 -- the "Chetna Yatra '98" has carefully calibrated the jolts it can deliver to the Vajpayee Government. These are: Roll back most of the 380 items that Commerce Minister R.K. Hegde transferred in his exim policy from the "restricted" list to the OGL; •Cancel the blanket invitation of 100 per cent Foreign Direct Investment (FDI) in liquor and tobacco sectors; •Repeal the ban order on the manufacture of non-iodised salt; •Re-open some public sector contracts already awarded, notably the one for extension of the Neyveli Lignite Project given to the Italian conglomerate Anslado; •Review the agreement between the Union Government and Suzuki Motor Company on Maruti Udyog Limited which dilutes the Government's authority; and, •Remove from advisory posts a few personalities identified by the SJM as "anti-swadeshi". Last week the Union Finance Ministry cleared the proposal for cigarette and tobacco majors to hold 100 per cent stakes in Indian outfits. Following the announcement, the RSS and the SJM have been at the throats of the PMO and the Finance Ministry for clearing this proposal. Every possible suspect, from Sinha to influential Parliament member Pramod Mahajan, has been contacted by the RSS high priests. The SJM is now going to town on the Maruti agreement, with Disha, its publication in Maharashtra, criticising the "sacrifice" of the current Maruti managing director "to promote Suzuki". Mahesh Chandra Sharma, MP and convener of the "Chetna Yatra", even objects to an Andhra Pradesh Government tender for a Japanese grant-in-aid irrigation project which excludes use of Indian goods. Such exclusion "hurts sovereignty", says Sharma. At the root of the hurry to remove the ban on non-iodised salt is an urge to stop the operations of Cargill Corporation, the world's sixth largest food company (last year's sales: $51 billion) with an eye on the Indian food and agri-market, including the market for salt. Rao says the "open invitation" to Cargill will be a "disaster". The RSS has been acting as a pressure group right from the infancy of the Vajpayee Government. Sudarshan stormed into Vajpayee's residence late at night at the time of ministry-making in March to prevent Jaswant Singh from being made the finance minister (some allude it to the prompting of interested corporates). But the high priests are not happy even with Sinha's appointment. They want a bureaucracy which is amenable. In late August, when Montek Singh Ahluwalia was being shunted out to the Planning Commission from the finance secretary's post, Keshav Kunj, the RSS office in Delhi, wanted Y. Venugopal Reddy, deputy governor of the Reserve Bank of India, to replace him. However, on August 27 the Appointments Committee of the Cabinet, instead of obliging the RSS, chose Vijay Kelkar. That put the saffron "high command" on a short fuse. On August 30 and 31, a meeting of the SJM's steering committee attended by representatives of sister organisations VHP, ABVP and, most important, Sudarshan, was held. The SJM's agitation was charted out there almost as a revolt against the Government. However, the Sangh-SJM leadership -- a bunch of dusty men who live in the past -- would not have seen so many opportunities to interfere with the Government if it was left to itself. The man who drives from the Sangh's back seat is S. Gurumurthy, the SJM joint convenor and a Chennai-based chartered accountant. With a good many corporates on his client list, Gurumurthy perhaps has private agendas tucked in the public cause of the SJM which he espouses with great authority. When in the capital, he operates from the ministerial residence of Uma Bharati, which is also the operational headquarters of Rao. In his articles and press briefings, Gurumurthy harps on the need to seek amendments to the WTO agreement and to thwart all moves towards full convertibility of the rupee. Interestingly, both these policies suit the strategic interests of the large domestic corporations which are seeking a reprieve from foreign competition, and a stable rupee to make the import of raw material (or plant and machinery) affordable. There is also increasing evidence of private interest masquerading as public interest and goading the army of SJM pracharaks to influence policy. The demand for extending the licence period of cellular telephone operators has thus recently surfaced on the SJM agenda, ignoring the fact that the beneficiaries of such extension may include some 100 per cent foreign-owned companies. There have also been instances of plain lobbying -- be it in the Ministry of Aviation or the I&B Ministry -- being clothed in the swadeshi attire. The diktat of the SJM/RSS "headquarters" on economic policy is a party/government tussle that is going to explode like a time bomb. It has left the BJP leadership red-faced. Says BJP General Secretary M. Venkaiah Naidu, "I don't mind khadi towels becoming mandatory in all government guest houses but when it comes to skill and technology, we have to look outside. The swadeshi lobby must understand that it is a coalition government." The Sangh Parivar, with its Taliban-like adherence to ideology, turns its back on the fact that its "family member", the BJP, is not in power on its own but in coalition with 18 partners, some of whom swear by socialism while some others stand by regional agenda. The RSS is demanding control in the seven states where the BJP is in power, either on its own or in coalition. In Uttar Pradesh, where the Sangh Parivar runs a virtual super-cabinet to oversee the performance of Kalyan, most ministers, including Kalyan, have capitulated under the pressure. With assembly elections due in the three mainline states of Delhi, Rajasthan and Madhya Pradesh, the RSS has wrested the levers of political power through its various fronts. In Delhi, the Sangh has placed its favourite as the lieutenant governor and is now packing the governing bodies of nearly all the 28 government colleges with its people. In Rajasthan, the Parivar is playing a cat-and-mouse game with the wily BJP Chief Minister Bhairon Singh Shekhawat, a non-conformist by saffron standards, for turf expansion by inducting more members into the Cabinet. In Madhya Pradesh, where the party is out of power, the Sangh strategy operates through Governor Bhai Mahavir, a trusted clan member. Unlike in the north, the RSS does not have a confrontationist role in Maharashtra. In the words of Mahajan, it is a "friend, philosopher and guide". The RSS in the state goes by the political decision of the BJP and not the other way round. And the proof lies in the backing that Suresh Kalmadi got in the Lok Sabha polls despite the fact that Avinash Dharmadhikari, a former IAS officer with close links to the BJP and the son-in-law of a pracharak, was contesting against him. Similarly, the RSS and the Keshubhai Patel Government in Gujarat share a cordial relationship. The link between the two is Sanjay Joshi, a former RSS pracharak who has been loaned to the state BJP. Most of the ministers holding important portfolios -- Finance Minister Vajubhai Vala, Minister of State for Power Kaushik Patel and Minister of State for Home Haren Pandya -- are RSS men who consult the parent body before taking major policy decisions. The Sangh has problems only with Industry Minister Suresh Mehta and his small group of followers. In 1925, when the RSS was born, little did its founders know that their club of gymnastically oriented Hindutva-worshippers would one day spread branches into every corner of an independent republic and even taste the power of governance. The club was famous for its mental drill aimed at regimentation -- soochna ke baad sochna nahin (don't think after getting started) was the RSS maxim. Seven decades later, the new progeny of men in khaki shorts is still regimented in its undisputing adherence to the Sangh leadership. And therein lies the strength of the BJP whose 1.7 crore members are but a mirage if seen outside the Sangh's embrace. "Everything is under the Sangh, nothing is under the BJP," says Hasubhai Dave, BMS general secretary. In the late '70s, when former Jan Sanghis in the Janata Party were pressured by their allies to forsake the "dual membership" of the RSS, they had no option but to break away, pulling down the first non-Congress government at the Centre led by Morarji Desai. While that government was formed more because of an accident -- the dreaded Emergency had brought together the motley bunch that went on to become the Janata Party -- the current government came to power following a decisive mandate in favour of the coalition's major partner, the BJP and particularily its leader. Vajpayee has so far showed no signs of succumbing to pressure to deviate from the National Agenda for Governance, the document on which the 18 coalition partners had reached a consensus. It is this basic trust that holds many of the coalition partners.On the other hand, the RSS has its own agenda. A tussle between the two could thus turn out to be a ticking bomb that could blow up the first non-Congress government to win power on a positive vote. Should that happen, the Congress is waiting in the wings.   _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Pallod@aol.com Tue Sep 29 19:31:03 1998 From: Pallod@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 19:26:46 EDT To: VHPGC-L@HINDUNET.ORG Cc: hrinfo@stallion.jsums.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: media report Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namshkar I am going for meditation class from sep 30 to oct 12. I will not be checking my email. Today I rcvd a call from Houston Chronicle in referece to attack on christian messionaries. He said he do not want to support an orgonization which is invoved in anti-christrian activities. He has faxed me the wire from AFP which is very negative about VHP. I am enclosing Deccan Herald report. Vijay Pallod _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Pallod@aol.com Tue Sep 29 21:14:06 1998 From: Pallod@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:12:26 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Cc: hrinfo@stallion.jsums.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Enclosed Deccan Herald report Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Namashkar In my previous email I forgot to enclose Deecan Herald report. If someone has access to AFP please forward me copy. Advani flays attacks on Xians, orders steps to punish guilty DH News Service NEW DELHI, Sept 29 Home Minister L K Advani today described as 'outrageous` the attacks on the Christian community at some places and directed senior officials of his ministry to immediately liaise with the concerned state governments and to ensure that the guilty were punished. Mr Advani gave these instructions to top home ministry officials after he met a church delegation headed by Archbishop Alan De Lastic, who raised the issue of the rapes of nuns at Navapara in Jhabua district of Madhya Pradesh. According to sources, the Home Minister also expressed shock at the Vishwa Hindu Parishad and Sangh Parivar leader and former BJP MP B L Sharma Prem justifying the attack on Christians. The delegation said in a memorandum to home minister that Christians for the first time since independence were beginning to feel threatened. The Archbishop also gave Advani details of the violence against Christians in the past three months in Bihar, Gujarat, West Bengal, Delhi and Maharashtra. ''From the reports that we have received at the Catholic Bishops Conference of India, it looks like these crimes are not isolated events but part of a wider plan by a few fanatic fundamentalist groups who believe in the philosophy of intolerance. They do not subscribe to a pluralistic society, as enshrined in our Constitution by the founders of modern India,`` the memorandum said. Pointing to the liberal ethos of the country, it said ''for these people, if anyone is different, he is an outsider, an enemy. The greatness and beauty of our land and its civilisation has been precisely its unity in diversity.`` Talking to newspersons after the meeting, Bishop Vincent Conces Sao said the home minister spoke to Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) leader Ashok Singhal on phone and asked him to condemn the incident. Advani asked Singhal to issue a statement denouncing the rapes. The Home Minister said that he has taken the issue 'very seriously.` The delegation included Catholic Bishop Conference of India President Alan de Lastic, Delhi Auxillary Bishop Vincent Conces Sao and All India Catholic Union National Secretary John Dayal. VHP CLARIFIES (New Delhi, PTI): VHP General Secretary Giriraj Kishore today condemned the recent rape of four nuns in Madhya Pradesh. In a statement, Mr Kishore, however, said the incident occurred in a ''Christian-dominated area`` and blamed local Congress leaders for it. He said the VHP Delhi unit leader B L Sharma ''Prem`s`` statement had been ''distorted and mutilated`` by the media. Mr Prem ''never supported rape or robbery.`` Mr Kishore said the incident was ''purely criminal in nature`` and wanted the guilty to be punished. He also condemned alleged attempts by certain quarters to turn it into a communal issue. CONG CHARGE: The Congress today charged the Vishwa Hindu Parishad and the Bajrang Dal with launching organised attacks on institutions of a particular community at different places and said these organisations were engaged in anti-Hindu activities. Speaking to reporters Congress spokespersons Girija Vyas and Ajit Jogi said they were shocked to read the statement of Vishwa Hindu Parishad Central Secretary B L Sharma justifying the atrocities in the Jhabua district of Madhya Pradesh and describing it as an expression of anger against anti- national forces. They said the Hindu religion taught respect for other religions, religious tolerance and brotherhood, but the acts of the RSS outfits were totally against these teachings. The Congress urged the Central and State Governments to take action against these elements. They said it was a matter of shame to call the members of a particular community as anti-national when they were engaged in selfless service to the under privileged providing education and medical care. They said the RSS elements were engaged in organised attacks on institutions of a particular community in several states, besides Madhya Pradesh. They apreciated the quick action taken by the chief minister and the state government in Madhya Pradesh in an effort to nab the culprits. CPM FLAYS VHP: The CPM today came down heavily on the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) for the latter`s perceived attempt to justify the brutal attack on missionaries in the Jhabua district of Madhya Pradesh. Describing the VHP statement as ''shocking`` the CPM politburo, in a statement issued here, demanded the authorities to take legal action under penal laws against such elements who incite communal hatred against a minority community. ''Such rabid and inflammatory statements should be dealt with firmly,`` it added. VHP central secretary and former MP B L Sharma 'Prem`, through an official statement yesterday, sought to rationalise recent attacks on Christian missionaries in the country saying that they represented ''anti-national forces``. He argued that ''the assault on the missionaries in Jhabua and the violence and loot against them in Baghpat, Uttar Pradesh, were the direct result of conversion of Hindus to Christianity by the Christian priests.`` Strongly condemning the VHP statement, the Marxist party asked the Government to initiate strong action against the VHP- Bajrang Dal elements who are instigating attacks against the Christian community in different parts of the country. It also called upon those who are concerned with democracy and communal harmony to protest against these attacks. Missionaries in MP left schocked and petrified BHOPAL, Sept 29 (DHNS) Three separate incidents of attacks on Christian missionaries in Madhya Pradesh over the last one week have drawn widespread condemnation from almost all quarters. The missionaries are shocked and petrified. While the main opposition BJP has attributed the incidents to the ''deteriorating law and order situation`` in the state, the non-BJP political parties and organisations see them ''as a fallout of the Sangh Parivar`s hate campaign`` against the Christians and other minorities. Incidentally, two of three incidents have taken place in the Jhabua district bordering Gujarat -the state which has witnessed a series of attacks on Christians in the recent past. On the night of July 22, four nuns were raped at village Nawapal in the Jhabua district. The nuns, who were running a school in a small clinic in the village, were looted and raped by a group of around 20 persons who had entered their residential premises after breaking open the door. Then on July 26, the house of Fr Edward, a missionary running a school at another village near Jhabua was attacked. The mob did the job quite systematically, first disconnecting the telephone and electricity lines of the house and then trying to burn down the door. Fortunately, however, they could not succeed. In the third incident of the series, an armed group of persons, led by a local BJP MLA, demolished the boundary wall of a missionary hospital in Bhopal on September 27. The assailants claimed the wall was ''unauthorised``. Enquiries by the local authorities, however, indicate that the hospital was well within its legal rights in constructing the wall. The Christian and missionary institutions of the state are alarmed by the incidents. The missionary schools of Bhopal and Indore remained closed on September 26 in protest. The ''MP Christian Association`` urged the government to look into the incident in the wider context of attacks on Christian missionaries at different places in the country and blamed the Sangh Parivar`s ''hate campaign`` for them. The chief minister and the home minister visited the site of the rape incident and assured immediate action to arrest the culprits. The national women`s commission has also constituted an enquiry team. State Governor Bhai Mahavir has written a letter to the Archbishop expressing his shock over the incident. The BJP, of course, is using the incidents as a convenient handle to beat the government with. The party leaders have demanded the resignation of the chief minister on the issue. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From srtiwari@hotmail.com Tue Sep 29 23:21:58 1998 Message-ID: <19980930032127.11659.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [170.140.251.40] From: "shyam tiwari" To: vhpgc-l@HINDUNET.ORG Subject: Re: media report Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 20:21:26 PDT X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Namaste, This is a very serious matter. VHPA has to distance itself away from such criminal acts. What puzzles me the most is the non-sensitivity of our people in Bharat(I mean VHP Bharat). There should be an unequivocal condemnation of such acts otherwise there would not be any difference between us and those theocratic fanatics who would go to any extent to commit barabaric acts against humanity. In any event, if our people in Bharat cannot condemn it then atleast they should have decency to shut up rather than commenting on it and opening flood gate for hostile media to speculate. No wonder political leadership in MP has blamed VHP for this attack not because VHP has anything to do with it but because VHP spokesperson took it rather casually and spoke on the matter whereas silence and leaving it to the authorities would have prevented any kind of damage to the organization. Again this is all based on what I have read in newsmedia. All I am saying is we must not commit such blunders. Regards, Shyam Tiwari I think if would like to acheive our goals then we must be more sophisticated, serious and civlized in our behaviour. >From ghen@www10.clever.net Tue Sep 29 16:55:26 1998 >Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id TAA09776; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 19:31:32 -0400 (EDT) >From: Pallod@aol.com >Message-ID: >Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 19:26:46 EDT >To: VHPGC-L@HINDUNET.ORG >Cc: hrinfo@stallion.jsums.edu >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Subject: media report >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 >X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >Reply-To: vhpgc-l@HINDUNET.ORG > >Namshkar >I am going for meditation class from sep 30 to oct 12. I will not be checking >my >email. > >Today I rcvd a call from Houston Chronicle in referece to attack on >christian messionaries. He said he do not want to support an orgonization >which >is invoved in anti-christrian activities. He has faxed me the wire from AFP >which >is very negative about VHP. I am enclosing Deccan Herald report. > >Vijay Pallod > >_____________________________ >For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org >Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From shahajay@yahoo.com Wed Sep 30 13:30:36 1998 Message-ID: <19980930173021.27139.rocketmail@send105.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:30:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Ajay Shah Subject: Fwd: Attacks on the nuns in MP and Mr. B.L. Sharma's reported remarks To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0-1472713773-907176621=:21651" X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --0-1472713773-907176621=:21651 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline When I read B. L. Sharma's remarks I too was very unhappy. BJP has distanced it self from these remarks. The following message was sent to VHP-America by someone. I am certain that our opponents will have a field day with this. This re-emphasizes the needs of us distancing ourselves from such remarks. My recommendation on our reaction : We do not know the validity of these alleged remarks. We do not defend every remark made by every VHP-Bharat leader. We will not defend the in-defencibile. Rape is rape, and it is to be deplored, stern actions must be taken against the culprits. And then : We need to really evaluate our long term stance. -ajay note: forwarded msg attached. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1472713773-907176621=:21651 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Received: from www10.clever.net (209.196.48.254) by mta105.yahoomail.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 1998 18:11:16 -0700 Received: (from ghen@localhost) by www10.clever.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id SAA21919; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:28:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mage.dt.wdc.com (mage.dt.wdc.com [129.253.40.1]) by www10.clever.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA14024 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:55:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cygnus.dt.wdc.com (root@[172.31.1.2]) by mage.dt.wdc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA15000 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 14:55:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dt.wdc.com (bisu@hydra-X2 [172.31.1.8]) by cygnus.dt.wdc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA14387 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 14:55:39 -0700 (PDT) Sender: bisu@dt.wdc.com Message-ID: <3611575C.E7A6C45A@dt.wdc.com> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 14:55:41 -0700 From: Biswajit Khandai Organization: Western Digital Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vhp-america@hindunet.org Subject: Attacks on the nuns in MP and Mr. B.L. Sharma's reported remarks Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1238 Dear Sir, I want to protest against the reported remarks of Mr. B.L.Sharma that the attackers and rapists of the nuns in MP were "patriotic Indians". The attackers may be patriotic people in their own rights, but raping women is no way of expressing patriotism. It is too opposed to our religious sentiments where women are accorded an extremely high status. Even the motherland itself is viewed as a woman, in the VHP's school of thought. Apart from the moral damage that the statement has done to the supporters of the VHP, there has been enough political damage too. Particularly when the BJP is ruling at the centre, it gives the opposition parties a lot of oppourtunity to malign the BJP, since the links between the VHP and the BJP are too well known to be denied. Even more importantly, the foreign media, which does not distinguish much among the VHP, the Bajrang Dal, the RSS, and the BJP will grab this opportunity to equate the BJP to the Taliban of Afghanistan. I, normally a right-of-center supporter of Hindu consciousness, feel let down by the comments of Mr. Sharma. I can't imagine how the majority of the middle class Hindus (who tend to be a lot more moderate) would feel. Regards, Biswajit. --0-1472713773-907176621=:21651-- _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From mihir@eyepiece.com Wed Sep 30 13:46:21 1998 Message-ID: <004701bdec9a$a5249a00$c980d98d@meghanis> From: "Mihir Meghani" To: Subject: Re: Attacks on the nuns in MP and Mr. B.L. Sharma's reported remarks Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 13:44:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2110.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Ajay, I absolutely agree. This is not the first time VHP-India leaders have said things that I disagree with, and that are politically incorrect. While I detest Christian missionaries, rape or killing is not correct, and neither is defending them. _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Vartalapa@aol.com Wed Sep 30 14:35:02 1998 From: Vartalapa@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 14:34:23 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Attacks on the nuns in MP and Mr. B.L. Sharma's reported remarks Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org we must clearly state that, with in every group there are people who are crazy. The whole movement cannot be blamed for each act. Renu _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Vartalapa@aol.com Wed Sep 30 15:43:15 1998 From: Vartalapa@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:42:25 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Enclosed Deccan Herald report Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org I just read the article. In our reply we must also point out that we surely condemn rape no matter when or where or by whom. However Hindus are very tired of showing respect without receiving any. The Bible says ,'To do unto others as we wish to be done by.' According to this the Christians should stop converting Hindus by giving money and then creating insurgencies in tribal areas. They must look at their history in the world as well as In Bharat. The Crusades, the Inquisition of Jews, the burning of women as witches, etc., cannot be denied. Even now in many parts of the world plenty of atrocities supported by Christians goes on. It was Christians who as colonizers developed slavery. As late as 5 or 6 years ago it was the Christians in South Africa who encouraged 'White only Beaches'. Hence we the Hindus of every group and area of the world denounce attacks on any one because we do not seek violence as a means. We do however need to point out that violence is being forced on us by the aggressive religions and the super violent television programs of the West. We actually feel fairly alone in trying to (note we are trying against nearly in surmountable odds) retain our age old values of respecting other ways and other people. We simply want to be treated with equal respect. Even in our homes in a country like the USA we are all the time being told by Christian groups to convert or face Hell. Many a time our children are told that we are simply cow worshippers. For years the press dominated by Non Hindus has had a field day on the customs of all indigenous people. So when an attack is mounted on a nun in Bharat or Africa or South America there needs to be an analysis by the Christian leadership of what have their people been doing. Even so we try our best to respect the Christians in general recognizing the fact that all within a group are not the same. That is what the Christians have to keep in mind too! I am writing this as an internal letter to VHP - A. If you find something worthwhile you may use it in our statements in the future. I believe a lot of this type of stuff will need to be resolved in the future. The world has become used to Hindus taking the blame & being ashamed without pointing out the faults of other. Sincerely, Renu Christians _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From shahajay@yahoo.com Wed Sep 30 15:51:49 1998 Message-ID: <19980930195104.3321.rocketmail@send105.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 12:51:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Ajay Shah Subject: Re: Enclosed Deccan Herald report To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Namaskar, You have raised good points. However, when it comes to incidents like this, we must unequivocally denounce them. Indeed we have our differences with some Christians and others, but bringing out the points that you have mentioned in light of this incident only gives the appearence of defending the indefencible. This is perhaps what the VHP official tried to do. I would suggest that we do not bring up any such points. Condemn the rape, distance ourselves from the insensitivities of the fellow VHP worker and move on. regards, ajay ---Vartalapa@aol.com wrote: > > I just read the article. In our reply we must also point out that we surely > condemn rape no matter when or where or by whom. However Hindus are very tired > of showing respect without receiving any. The Bible says ,'To do unto others > as we wish to be done by.' According to this the Christians should stop > converting Hindus by giving money and then creating insurgencies in tribal > areas. They must look at their history in the world as well as In Bharat. The > Crusades, the Inquisition of Jews, the burning of women as witches, etc., > cannot be denied. Even now in many parts of the world plenty of atrocities > supported by Christians goes on. It was Christians who as colonizers developed > slavery. As late as 5 or 6 years ago it was the Christians in South Africa who > encouraged 'White only Beaches'. Hence we the Hindus of every group and area > of the world denounce attacks on any one because we do not seek violence as a > means. We do however need to point out that violence is being forced on us by > the aggressive religions and the super violent television programs of the > West. We actually feel fairly alone in trying to (note we are trying against > nearly in surmountable odds) retain our age old values of respecting other > ways and other people. We simply want to be treated with equal respect. Even > in our homes in a country like the USA we are all the time being told by > Christian groups to convert or face Hell. Many a time our children are told > that we are simply cow worshippers. For years the press dominated by Non > Hindus has had a field day on the customs of all indigenous people. So when an > attack is mounted on a nun in Bharat or Africa or South America there needs to > be an analysis by the Christian leadership of what have their people been > doing. Even so we try our best to respect the Christians in general > recognizing the fact that all within a group are not the same. That is what > the Christians have to keep in mind too! > I am writing this as an internal letter to VHP - A. If you find something > worthwhile you may use it in our statements in the future. I believe a lot of > this type of stuff will need to be resolved in the future. The world has > become used to Hindus taking the blame & being ashamed without pointing out > the faults of other. > Sincerely, > Renu > > > > Christians > > _____________________________ > For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From shahajay@yahoo.com Wed Sep 30 15:59:33 1998 Message-ID: <19980930195141.2827.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 12:51:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Ajay Shah Subject: Acharya Giriraj Kishor Condemns Rape To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here is a news item about the VHP reaction to the rape. Please notice that Acharya Giriraji Kishor has also distanced himself from the comments (although he has blamed "media" for twisting the comments). Christians and Hindu group dispute comments about nuns' rape Copyright © 1998 Nando.net Copyright © 1998 Reuters News Service NEW DELHI (September 30, 1998 09:26 a.m. EDT http://www.nandotimes.com) - Christian groups in India have crossed swords with an influential Hindu organization after one of its leaders allegedly sought to justify the rape of four nuns last week. Church activists said on Wednesday they planned a protest rally in New Delhi on Oct. 3. But officials of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) -- or World Hindu Council -- said they were being wrongly maligned as a result of twisted media reports. The VHP often clashes with Christian groups in a campaign against what it dubs conversion of Hindus through allurement. "We don't want Hindus to be converted against their wishes. You can't allure them," VHP General Secretary Acharya Giriraj told Reuters. The controversy erupted at the weekend after Baikunth Lal Sharma, a senior official of the VHP, reportedly described the rape as the consequence of Hindu anger over conversions. But Giriraj said the VHP condemned the Sept. 23 incident, in which an unidentified gang looted some money and allegedly raped four Catholic nuns at a central Indian village in the remote Jhabua district of Madhya Pradesh state. "It was purely a criminal case of (robbery) and rape," Kishore said. "We totally condemn these things." He said, however, that the VHP opposed conversions that resulted from incentives such as financial help, education and social work or as a result of inter-religious marriages. Christian priests said the Jhabua incident was not isolated and referred to incidents, including attacks on missionaries in the western state of Gujarat. "It (the rape) was not just one incident. There have been a series of incidents," said Bishop Vincent Concessao, the Auxiliary Bishop of the Archdiocese of Delhi. Concessao said Hindu fundamentalists were campaigning in a manner that resulted in security threats to Christian missionaries. But a spokesman for Sharma, Acharya Ranjit, said Sharma only questioned attempts to link the rape with religious issues. "It is this that we were angered by. We didn't take sides with the rapists." he said. The VHP is considered close to Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee's Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), which leads the governing coalition. Home (interior) Minister Lal Krishna Advani came out strongly against the rape on Tuesday in a move described by the local media as an attempt to distance the BJP from the VHP. By NARAYANAN MADHAVAN, Reuters _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From shahajay@yahoo.com Wed Sep 30 16:11:37 1998 Message-ID: <19980930200344.11721.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 13:03:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Ajay Shah Subject: But Shree Sharma had issued a written statement! To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit While Acharyaji blames "media" for twisting the statements, Hindu, a news paper from Madras reports that Shree Sharma had issued a written statement. Here is the news item. Also note how the anti-Hindu pseudo secular media has used these statements to malign the Hindu cause over all: ----------------------- An attempt is being by the fanatic fringe in the RSS to virtually justify the savage attacks on missionaries on the ground that they represented ``anti-national forces'' which were working against Hindu interests. This section has demanded that the Centre must throw out of the country all those who ``tempt Hindus'' to convert to Christianity and who through their schools spread anti-Hindu sentiment. The Vishwa Hindu Parishad, an RSS outfit, today stated that the recent incidents of violence against the Christian missionaries in Jhabua and Baghpat were the result of ``anger of patriotic Hindu youth against anti-national forces''. Virtually justifying the attacks, the VHP has demanded that these missionaries be asked ``to pack up and leave the country''. This sharply-worded statement against the missionaries comes at a time when the country has been shocked by the violence of the attack on them. In a statement, the VHP central secretary and former BJP MP, Mr. B. L. Sharma `Prem', said that ``the assault on the missionaries in Jhabua, Madhya Pradesh, and the violence and loot against them in Baghpat, Uttar Pradesh, was the direct result of conversion of Hindus to Christianity by the Christian priests''. And as if to drive home his point, he also charged the Congress Party government in Madhya Pradesh with being ``unnecessarily energetic'' in dealing with the incident and ``giving it undue importance.'' The VHP alleged that ``the Congress Government is behaving as if India is still under colonial rule.'' In an aggressive and challenging tone, the statement virtually warned not only the missionaries but the Congress and other parties as well. ``They, the Congress Party, may close its eyes to the black deeds of the missionaries, to their efforts to convert Hindus, but we in the VHP will not shut our eyes to the activities of these traitors,'' Mr. Sharma has said. The VHP, is in fact the mainstream organisation for carrying forward the RSS ideology at the grassroots, for preparing the ground, testing the ideas, making them popular, before the political wing, the BJP, steps in. That was exactly what happened in the Babri Masjid-Ram temple controversy. It was the VHP which spearheaded the agitation, got various Hindu priests together on a platform, built the public mood, before the BJP stepped in to encash this as votes. The VHP statement on the Christian missionaries thus reflects the RSS view on the matter, for the RSS, like the BJP, has not yet given up its demand related to the Gyan Vapi mosque in Kashi and the Idgah in Mathura - that these should be handed over to the ``Hindus.'' _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From VICHARAK@aol.com Thu Oct 1 00:13:47 1998 From: VICHARAK@aol.com Message-ID: <102c49a2.36130154@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 00:13:08 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: VHP Bharat in the dock Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org 9/30/98 Dear SarvaShree & Shreemati: By now you have heard all sides of the story. I had a talk with Ajay Shah a few hours back (10:00 PM). Having read various view points and given it my own thought, I agree with Renubahen. I do not fully agree with Ajayji. Yes, we can have a statement, but we MUST make some of the points that Renubahen has brought out. While it is clear that these are horrible crimes and are not to be condoned by people of any faith, this also is the right time to throw light on the activities of the Missionaries. Now, Archbishops who met with Advaniji have linked these attacks (which no one knows who carried out- Hindus, Christians, Muslims?) with incidents in Gujarat. What has happened in Gujarat in last few moths is an awakening of the Hindus. In a missionary school in Rajkot, girls were forced to sign a declaration stating that they had accepted Jesus as the savior. In another school, girls were forbidden to wear henna (mehandi) on their hands. Couple of years back, in Jamnagar, students were not allowed to put bindi on their forehead or wear bangles.. These are not noble, selfless workers but conniving predators who are hell- bent on destroying our culture from within. There have been systematic efforts to lure girls and women to marry with Muslim youth- whereafter either they are left pregnant and thrown out in the street and more often than not sold off as prostitutes. ( I know one case personally). What happened to some Muslims in a village in South Gujarat was a reaction to this. While the case in M.P. is purely a criminal and isolated incident, which has nothing to do with VHP, we can expect further confrontation as Hindus are waking up after a long slumber. I do not get too excited by all the media report as media and opposition parties are waiting for every opportunity to pounce on RSS and the family. In their eyes, RSS-VHP-BJP can do no right and Congress-Lallu-Mulayam-Left can do no wrong. I always take reports in Hindu with not a pinch but a spoonful of salt. That paper (and its arm- Frontline) should be renamed 'Anti-Hindu'. Lastly, our members here will have to learn to stand on their own feet. Every time a statement from the National office will not help. We have the fact and figures; we have the history- what prevents us from educating people who question our motive? This is the right time and opportunity to take the fight in the opposition camp and put them on the defensive- as Renubahen has aptly done. I want to remind every one of the words of Sant Rameshbhai Oza at the Sant Sammelan in 1993 Global Vision 2000 Conference. While quoting Swami Vivekananda, he said: 'Hindus are goody goody but not Good." Let us stop being goody goody. Brotherly, Gaurang _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From shahajay@yahoo.com Thu Oct 1 01:30:46 1998 Message-ID: <19981001053015.1564.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 22:30:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Ajay Shah Subject: Re: VHP Bharat in the dock To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Namaskar, Gaurangbhai, there are issues on which we must fight our adversaries, and then there are issues on which we have to accept the realities. When innocent women are raped, by all accounts, by thugs who were looking for money, why did the VHP-B official bring in the issue of conversion to begin with? On the same note, why do you or Renu aunty bring the issue of conversion in? Am I or any other member of GC, who has spoken up on this issue in favor of conversion? How does bringing up conversion when innocent women are raped shed light on the issue of conversions? In fact, strategically, it will have an effect quite the contarary. It will show the world that as a religious organization, we are hypocritical and insensitive at the very least and condoning rape to some extent at the very worst. Is this the position we would like to be in? None of you (including the VHP-B official) has described how a mass rape such as this can shed negative light on the missionary activity. if at all, it has set the good will generated by VHP at least in USA back. Just as the arch bishop was wrong in linking these acts to the cases in Gujarat, by not speaking up on this issue, we are enforcing the connection - if we do not dissociate ourselves. Thus, I fail to understand the following : > While the case in M.P. is purely a criminal and > isolated incident, which has nothing to > do with VHP, we can expect further confrontation as > Hindus are waking up after a long slumber. Why do *we* link these two issues ourselves and give our opponents an ammunition? Would't it be prudent to condemn this violent and illegal act and then at a later day, fight conversion? You say : > I do not get too excited by all the media report as > media and opposition > parties are waiting for every opportunity to pounce > on RSS and the family. At least on my part it is not excitement but an attempt to insulate and isolate VHP-A from these statements. In fact VHP-Bharat and BJP have both done this. I am not saying that we take the blame on this, just that we set the record straight from our perspective. You say : > Lastly, our members here will have to learn to stand > on their own feet. Every > time a statement from the National office will not > help. We have the fact and > figures; Gaurangbhai, I do not mean to sound rude or argumentative, but in cases where VHP-Bharat Central Secretary made a statement VHP-A National office will have to set the record straight. This way, on the campuses and temples when VHP members are asked about this issue, they have a firm stand of VHP-A to counter with. I believe that every time incidents such as these happen, VHP-A National office will have to act. As the mouth piece of Hindu community in USA, it is our responsibility and Hindus expect us to fulfill it. regards, ajay ---VICHARAK@aol.com wrote: > > 9/30/98 > > Dear SarvaShree & Shreemati: > > By now you have heard all sides of the story. I had a talk with Ajay Shah a > few hours back (10:00 PM). Having read various view points and given it my > own thought, I agree with Renubahen. I do not fully agree with Ajayji. Yes, > we can have a statement, but we MUST make some of the points that Renubahen > has brought out. While it is clear that these are horrible crimes and are not > to be condoned by people of any faith, this also is the right time to throw > light on the activities of the Missionaries. Now, Archbishops who met with > Advaniji have linked these attacks (which no one knows who carried out- > Hindus, Christians, Muslims?) with incidents in Gujarat. What has happened in > Gujarat in last few moths is an awakening of the Hindus. In a missionary > school in Rajkot, girls were forced to sign a declaration stating that they > had accepted Jesus as the savior. In another school, girls were forbidden to > wear henna (mehandi) on their hands. Couple of years back, in Jamnagar, > students were not allowed to put bindi on their forehead or wear bangles.. > These are not noble, selfless workers but conniving predators who are hell- > bent on destroying our culture from within. There have been systematic > efforts to lure girls and women to marry with Muslim youth- whereafter either > they are left pregnant and thrown out in the street and more often than not > sold off as prostitutes. ( I know one case personally). What happened to > some Muslims in a village in South Gujarat was a reaction to this. While the > case in M.P. is purely a criminal and isolated incident, which has nothing to > do with VHP, we can expect further confrontation as Hindus are waking up after > a long slumber. > > I do not get too excited by all the media report as media and opposition > parties are waiting for every opportunity to pounce on RSS and the family. In > their eyes, RSS-VHP-BJP can do no right and Congress-Lallu-Mulayam-Left can do > no wrong. I always take reports in Hindu with not a pinch but a spoonful of > salt. That paper (and its arm- Frontline) should be renamed 'Anti-Hindu'. > > Lastly, our members here will have to learn to stand on their own feet. Every > time a statement from the National office will not help. We have the fact and > figures; we have the history- what prevents us from educating people who > question our motive? This is the right time and opportunity to take the fight > in the opposition camp and put them on the defensive- as Renubahen has aptly > done. I want to remind every one of the words of Sant Rameshbhai Oza at the > Sant Sammelan in 1993 Global Vision 2000 Conference. While quoting Swami > Vivekananda, he said: 'Hindus are goody goody but not Good." Let us stop > being goody goody. > > Brotherly, > > > Gaurang > > _____________________________ > For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From pandyahc@juno.com Thu Oct 1 12:37:44 1998 To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:26:44 -0400 Subject: Dashra Message-ID: <19981001.122648.10270.1.pandyahc@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-4,7-9 From: pandyahc@juno.com (Harish C Pandya) X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Banshuvar/Bhagni Jai Sri Ram I am back from my Europe visit. HAPPY DASAHRA ---- It Reminds us of our Fight against aggression, value of courage and valour in our conduct and our rejoicing in our victories. Harish Pandya ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ameya@worldnet.att.net Thu Oct 1 13:22:12 1998 From: "Vaiju Vijay Ruikar" To: Subject: Re: VHP Bharat in the dock Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:23:36 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19981001172140.FTQS18317@default> X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org I agree with Ajay and Mihir, We should not get emotional and jump to the defense of VHP_B. Rape is very cruel crime and all mankind should understand what the victim goes through when that happens. Also conversion is a separate issue. We should fight conversions as continuing project. By talking about it now we will degrade ourselves to the "Goonda element" . Once when Advani was visiting us he said a profound thing as "Terrorist or Goonda's do not have any caste creed or religion. Those are the lowest of low human beings." So we should not defend them. It will be even further blunder in PR issue. We should just ignore this and let us not give more publicity to this issue than it is already given. VHP-B (Shri. Giriraj Kishorji )has already given a statement. If we have to we should give similar statement to show our unity. This is what I feel Dhanyawad Vaijubahen ---------- > From: Ajay Shah > To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Subject: Re: VHP Bharat in the dock > Date: Wednesday, September 30, 1998 10:30 PM > > Namaskar, > > Gaurangbhai, there are issues on which we must fight our adversaries, > and then there are issues on which we have to accept the realities. > > When innocent women are raped, by all accounts, by thugs who were > looking for money, why did the VHP-B official bring in the issue of > conversion to begin with? > > On the same note, why do you or Renu aunty bring the issue of > conversion in? Am I or any other member of GC, who has spoken up on > this issue in favor of conversion? > > How does bringing up conversion when innocent women are raped shed > light on the issue of conversions? In fact, strategically, it will > have an effect quite the contarary. It will show the world that as a > religious organization, we are hypocritical and insensitive at the > very least and condoning rape to some extent at the very worst. Is > this the position we would like to be in? > > None of you (including the VHP-B official) has described how a mass > rape such as this can shed negative light on the missionary activity. > if at all, it has set the good will generated by VHP at least in USA > back. > > Just as the arch bishop was wrong in linking these acts to the cases > in Gujarat, by not speaking up on this issue, we are enforcing the > connection - if we do not dissociate ourselves. > > Thus, I fail to understand the following : > > > While the case in M.P. is purely a criminal and > > isolated incident, which has nothing to > > do with VHP, we can expect further confrontation as > Hindus are > waking up after a long slumber. > > Why do *we* link these two issues ourselves and give our opponents an > ammunition? Would't it be prudent to condemn this violent and illegal > act and then at a later day, fight conversion? > > You say : > > > I do not get too excited by all the media report as > media and > opposition > > parties are waiting for every opportunity to pounce > on RSS and the > family. > > At least on my part it is not excitement but an attempt to insulate > and isolate VHP-A from these statements. In fact VHP-Bharat and BJP > have both done this. I am not saying that we take the blame on this, > just that we set the record straight from our perspective. > > > You say : > > > Lastly, our members here will have to learn to stand > on their own > feet. Every > > time a statement from the National office will not > > help. We have the fact and > > figures; > > Gaurangbhai, I do not mean to sound rude or argumentative, but in > cases where VHP-Bharat Central Secretary made a statement VHP-A > National office will have to set the record straight. This way, on > the campuses and temples when VHP members are asked about this issue, > they have a firm stand of VHP-A to counter with. I believe that every > time incidents such as these happen, VHP-A National office will have > to act. > > As the mouth piece of Hindu community in USA, it is our responsibility > and Hindus expect us to fulfill it. > > regards, > > ajay > > > ---VICHARAK@aol.com wrote: > > > > 9/30/98 > > > > Dear SarvaShree & Shreemati: > > > > By now you have heard all sides of the story. I had a talk with > Ajay Shah a > > few hours back (10:00 PM). Having read various view points and > given it my > > own thought, I agree with Renubahen. I do not fully agree with > Ajayji. Yes, > > we can have a statement, but we MUST make some of the points that > Renubahen > > has brought out. While it is clear that these are horrible crimes > and are not > > to be condoned by people of any faith, this also is the right time > to throw > > light on the activities of the Missionaries. Now, Archbishops who > met with > > Advaniji have linked these attacks (which no one knows who carried > out- > > Hindus, Christians, Muslims?) with incidents in Gujarat. What has > happened in > > Gujarat in last few moths is an awakening of the Hindus. In a > missionary > > school in Rajkot, girls were forced to sign a declaration stating > that they > > had accepted Jesus as the savior. In another school, girls were > forbidden to > > wear henna (mehandi) on their hands. Couple of years back, in > Jamnagar, > > students were not allowed to put bindi on their forehead or wear > bangles.. > > These are not noble, selfless workers but conniving predators who > are hell- > > bent on destroying our culture from within. There have been > systematic > > efforts to lure girls and women to marry with Muslim youth- > whereafter either > > they are left pregnant and thrown out in the street and more often > than not > > sold off as prostitutes. ( I know one case personally). What > happened to > > some Muslims in a village in South Gujarat was a reaction to this. > While the > > case in M.P. is purely a criminal and isolated incident, which has > nothing to > > do with VHP, we can expect further confrontation as Hindus are > waking up after > > a long slumber. > > > > I do not get too excited by all the media report as media and > opposition > > parties are waiting for every opportunity to pounce on RSS and the > family. In > > their eyes, RSS-VHP-BJP can do no right and > Congress-Lallu-Mulayam-Left can do > > no wrong. I always take reports in Hindu with not a pinch but a > spoonful of > > salt. That paper (and its arm- Frontline) should be renamed > 'Anti-Hindu'. > > > > Lastly, our members here will have to learn to stand on their own > feet. Every > > time a statement from the National office will not help. We have > the fact and > > figures; we have the history- what prevents us from educating people > who > > question our motive? This is the right time and opportunity to take > the fight > > in the opposition camp and put them on the defensive- as Renubahen > has aptly > > done. I want to remind every one of the words of Sant Rameshbhai > Oza at the > > Sant Sammelan in 1993 Global Vision 2000 Conference. While quoting > Swami > > Vivekananda, he said: 'Hindus are goody goody but not Good." Let us > stop > > being goody goody. > > > > Brotherly, > > > > > > Gaurang > > > > _____________________________ > > For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: > owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > Comments and questions are welcome, use: > owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > _____________________________ > For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org > > _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From kanchan_banerjee@npcfreight.com Thu Oct 1 13:43:33 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19981001134922.00b0dab8@208.197.9.151> X-Sender: kanchan_banerjee@208.197.9.151 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 13:49:22 -0400 To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From: "Kanchan Banerjee" Subject: Happy Dussera/Vijaya Dashami Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Namaste, Ya Devi Sarva bhuteshu Shakti rupena samsthita, namastasmai, namastasmai, namastasmai namo namoha. :Devi Durga, salutation to thee in the form of Shakti in all beings. Ya Devi Sarva bhuteshu Shanti rupena samsthita, namastasmai, namastasmai, namastasmai namo namoha. :Devi Durga, salutation to thee in the form of Shanti in all beings. Above are two stotras from SriChandi. On this auspicious day of Vijaya (victory) of Deva (godly) forces over Asura (evil forces) let Shree Durga give us Shakti & Shanti. Brotherly, Kanchan <<<<<<<< _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Vartalapa@aol.com Thu Oct 1 17:33:19 1998 From: Vartalapa@aol.com Message-ID: <670ddd76.3613f4f7@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 17:32:39 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: VHP Bharat in the dock Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org GC Members, As far as I am concerned I do not feel emotional at all. I am sorry if my letter sounded that way. I tried to clarify in the ending paragraph that a= s this sort of allegations are likely to come up again and again, we can sav= e the various opinion letters for use at various times. That is also why I called it an internal letter. Otherwise, I am free to answer as an ordinar= y Hindu any way I feel. We should remember that by becoming a part of VHP we= do not stop being a person. We also need not react to each other's opinions, = that wastes time. All opinions should be taken into account and one sensible statement issued. Even such a statement will not be equally liked by every one, simply because each human being sees different angles. Each has a val= ue too. So please feel free to ignore all or part of my letter. I, however feel strongly that we refer to certain areas of Christian behavior that has bee= n disgusting to us. May be we need not bring up conversion at this time, but many incidents can be referred to quite nicely. Simply distancing is no improvement =97 that is what we have been doing for all these years! I do = agree that our statements should be well thought through, polite but firm. Just because one person makes a remark we cannot all be condemned. Also such occasions are to be used for dialoguing not just distancing. Regards, Renu _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From Vartalapa@aol.com Thu Oct 1 17:35:09 1998 From: Vartalapa@aol.com Message-ID: <9a9a26d0.3613f559@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 17:34:17 EDT To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Happy Dussera/Vijaya Dashami Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org A very happy dussera to all. Renu S Malhotra _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From mihir@eyepiece.com Thu Oct 1 20:37:43 1998 Message-ID: <009c01bded9d$4985dd40$c280d98d@meghanis> From: "Mihir Meghani" To: "VHP GC List" Subject: Article on Meghalaya Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 20:38:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0098_01BDED7B.6C8BBF20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2110.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0098_01BDED7B.6C8BBF20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In light of our discussion on missionaries, I wanted to share with you my article which I have submitted to Hemendraji for evaluating to publish in Hindu Vishwa. Hinduism Today printed my modified article a few months ago. Also, a professional medical magazine called Emergency International printed a very modified version. I spent May 1998 in Meghalaya, and these are my thoughts after returning from there. If any of you would like to visit there, please let me know. I also urge you to donate money for our work there. I am also attaching the article as a Word 95 Attachment. I agree with Ajay's summary that Christian missionaries are doing terrible things, but it is even more terrible if we do not help. Still, neither can justify rape of women or innocent killing, or verbally defending that. WILL NON-CHRISTIANS DIE IN THE YEAR 2000??? By Dr. Mihir Meghani This was the most frequent question I was asked during my recent trip to Meghalaya, a small state in the northeast region of Bharat (India). Christian missionaries in India have been saying that the apocalypse is coming in the year 2000 and that all non-Christians will die. This has alarmed the 50% of the population of the state that is not Christian and follows the indigenous traditions. In December 1995, I attended the Vishwa Sangh Shibir 1995 in Baroda, Gujarat, Bharat (India), organized by Rashatriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS). En route, RSS arranged a meeting with a delegation of 30 Khasi Hindus from Meghalaya that were touring the state of Maharashtra as part of RSS’s Bharat Mera Ghar (India is My Home) project. Khasis are an ethnic community of Bharat that is small and has a unique cultural, linguistic, and religious identity. They fit into the definition of Hindu, which includes any spiritual, religious, cultural, or philosophical identity that has developed out of the ancient tolerant and non-monopolistic spiritual traditions that have flourished in Bharat. I was shocked but absolutely delighted to meet this delegation of Khasi Hindus who were patriotic to India and proud of their heritage. Previously, my concept of India’s northeast was that everyone had converted to Christianity and wanted to separate from Bharat. I then resolved to go to this state when the opportunity arose. During my final year of medical school (1996-1997), the curriculum allowed time for clinical rotations outside of the USA. I arranged a clinical rotation with Dr. R. S. Thangkhiew, a Khasi Hindu physician in Shillong, through 2 RSS pracharaks (full-time volunteers): Sunil Deodhar and Sumant Amshekar. I wanted to experience this state of Bharat that so few people get to experience, learn about the unique culture of the people there, and see first hand what Christian missionaries were doing. In my free time, I tried to meet as many people as I could to understand their experiences in the face of British rule, Christian penetration, and the Indian freedom movement. I mostly interacted with Khasi Hindus. As a medical student, I expected to learn a lot about infectious diseases, poverty, and lack of basic resources. I saw those problems and realized the great contributions I could make as a physician. However, I was shocked to hear about rampant discrimination that Christians meted out to non-Christians (mostly Hindus, including Khasis, Sikhs, Assamese, and Bengalis). Christian denominations control almost 100% of the state’s educational and health care institutions and resources. Most of them give discounts to those people who identify themselves with the particular Christian sect that runs that particular institution. Additionally in many hospitals, if an individual cannot pay his bill at the end of his stay, the hospital will offer to waive the full amount of the bill if he converts to Christianity. There is discrimination in other fields as well. Most top government jobs are given to Christians. Words from the pulpit influence local politics. There are barely any non-Christian members in the state legislative assembly. Recently, the Khasi Hindu Governor of Mizoram was forced to become Christian by the churches. Aprial Mon Thangkhiew, a resident of Shillong, the capital of Meghalaya, said, “Missionaries got converts because of education. Converts got admission to colleges and hostels outside the northeast while non-Christians did not. Poor Khasis couldn’t afford to go outside. Only Christians got scholarships. My cousin was a Presidency College Gold Medallist but he didn’t get a scholarship because he was not a Christian. Conversion was the price for higher education. People converted because of educational and economic reasons initially. So, the poor bright people converted and then the other poor followed. If these preferences weren’t offered, people wouldn’t have converted.” The Khasi heritage deserves a unique position within Hindu heritage because it is distinct in many ways. Khasis are one of the few communities of the northeast that still maintain the religion and traditions handed down to them prior to Christian and Islamic influence. They believe in one universal God, U Blei, who is the creator of everything. They do not have a written text or scripture, and the heritage verbally passes from generation to generation. The basic principle of Khasi religion is similar to the eternal principles of other Hindu religions. It is to earn righteousness in the world. The basic precept is that to know God, one must first know, love and respect fellow human beings. Prayer, song, and dance are important aspects of the culture. Throughout the year, there are community dances where villagers get together. In March and April, there is the Shad Suk Mynsiem, (literally translated various ways, Shad means dance, Suk means happiness or tranquility, and Mynsiem means soul or heart), a dance of joy, merriment, gratitude, and thanksgiving. Khasis follow a matrilineal system of lineage. The wife keeps her mother’s last name, children keep the mother ’s last name, and the youngest daughter inherits the family property. There are many people who still remember the difficulties Khasis faced when British and Christian rule was still there. Jrin Mon Thangkhiew recalls, “My grandfather Babu Jeebon Roy wanted to start a school to promote the Khasi culture and religion and strengthen ties with the rest of India. He approached the British Government in 1875 and was told to get permission from the Welsh Calvinist Mission, which had been entrusted the task of propagating education. The missionaries replied, ‘We have only come to educate your people to the extent that they can read the Bible. Anyway, your people do not have enough brains for higher studies.’” Nevertheless, in 1876, the Shillong High School opened with Roy’s own money, but the Christian missionaries could not tolerate this because they realized it was a threat to their control of education, a tool for proselytisation. The government was forced to give control of the school to the Presbyterian missionaries, and subsequently, education about Khasi heritage was eliminated, Christianity became the sole religion taught, and the medium of instruction was changed from Bengali to English. 97 year old Kong Helimon Diengdoh married the first non-Christian Khasi lawyer and was recently honored at the Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose Birth Centenary Celebrations as a patriotic freedom fighter. She recounts, “Christians weren’t pleased when we got independence. Being Christian, they liked the Britishers, and they still do even now.” U Hipshon Roy is one of the most respected leaders among tribals in India and a retired IFAS officer. He explains the Christian mentality, “When our king U Kiang Nangbah raised his flag to fight the British, all the non-Christians rallied around him, but not a single Christian joined him.” Aprial Mon Thangkhiew explains, “The Christians and British tried to teach us to hate our culture – song, dance, religion – everything. If we sang a Khasi song, they would laugh at us. They called us devil worshippers. They preached in our schools and brainwashed Khasis. The converted Khasis were just like them. They laughed at us when we went to our dances. I went to the Presbyterian school. I had many good friends. However, after some of them were converted to Christianity, they told me, ‘We’ll go to heaven and you’ll go to hell.’ They didn’t realize that they were dishonoring their ancestors. The British policy to send missionaries didn’t do anything for us except weaken our culture. They converted all the Syiems (local rulers) except the Syiem of Nongkrum. Then other people converted.” Due to this history of Christian and British legacy, and to earlier Hindu apathy, Hindus face many challenges in the Northeast. First, there is the threat of Christian missionary coercion. Second, years of isolation from the rest of India and Christian and British propaganda have engendered a separatist feeling among the people. Third, as the tribal communities are strengthening their identities, there is a need to reaffirm to them that they are an integral part of Hindu society and that Hindu society will neither convert them nor swallow them. Many organizations have been dealing with these challenges. Since 1899, Seng Khasi has been working to maintain the indigenous Khasi culture and religion and defend it against attacks from Christian missionaries. Seng Khasi and its sister group Sein Raj organize Khasi religious and cultural programs, hold regular prayers and meetings, publish material to educate people about the Khasi heritage, operate schools with Seva Bharati, and offer medical camps along with RSS. Over the last decade, RSS has dedicated many resources to helping the indigenous cultural and religious movements led by the organizations Seng Khasi and Sein Raj. Inspired by the RSS vision of a culturally proud, united, and alert nation, Seva Bharati and Vanvasi Kalyan Ashram operate many schools, student and youth hostels, medical clinics, and dispensaries. They have a host of other programs seeking to instill self-respect and unity such as Bharat Mera Ghar and Tribal Sports Tournaments. Ramakrishna Mission has been very active this century, and has many well-established schools and centers to promote Vedanta. However, all these groups encounter constant opposition from Christians. Recently, a permit to build its first temple in the state was denied to ISKCON. WILL NON-CHRISTIANS DIE IN THE YEAR 2000?This was the most frequent question I was asked while in Meghalaya. Christian missionaries in India have been saying that the apocalypse is coming in the year 2000 and that all non-Christians will die. Raising the threat of eternal damnation in hell to those who are non-Christians in the year 2000, they are scaring people into making a safe choice. Dr. Sam Pamei, a Christian from Nagaland who lives in Shillong, said, “If I have a choice to be Christian but face no bad outcome from the perspective of my indigenous religion, or follow my indigenous religion and face eternal damnation if Christianity is the way, then the safe bet is to become Christian.” Sunil Deodhar, explained, “Due to the work of Seng Khasi, Sein Raj, and RSS, Christian missionaries are gaining fewer converts and are actually losing many people back to the indigenous fold. The threat of eternal damnation is their last ditch attempt to win converts as 150 years of Christian influence in this region has resulted in only 50% of the population giving up their indigenous religion.” The northeast is very important for Hindus and Indians. For India, it is a region with ties to other parts of India that date to antiquity. It is also a region that borders Bangladesh, China, and Burma. For Hindus, if the northeast goes, then many other tribal communities are susceptible to severing ties with the age-old Hindu society. Furthermore, each time some Hindu community converts, their unique contribution to the Hindu religious and cultural melting pot is lost and Hinduism becomes less diverse. Two hundred years ago Hindus may have been at a technological, economic, and political disadvantage, but today, Hindus have all the resources they need to maintain a healthy and progressive society. When I left Meghalaya, I felt that among Khasis, there was a growing sense of pride in their religion, culture, and heritage. There was also a strong feeling of appreciation of being part of the Hindu diaspora and India itself. We must respond and support our fellow brothers and sisters. Most importantly, we must reinforce to them the ancient saying, “Truth is One, Sages Call it by Various Names,” which offers them a unique identity within Hindu society. By Mihir Meghani, M.D. Email: mihir@hindunet.org Address: PO Box 250304, West Bloomfield, Michigan 48325 USA. To send donations to Seva Bharati Meghalaya, or for more information, write to Seva Bharati Meghalaya, c/o D. Kharkongor, D. M. 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Christian missionaries in India have been saying that the = apocalypse is coming in the year 2000 and that all non-Christians will = die. This has alarmed the 50% of the population of the state that is = not Christian and follows the indigenous traditions. \par=20 \par In December 1995, I attended the Vishwa Sangh Shibir 1995 in = Baroda, Gujarat, Bharat (India), organized by Rashatriya Swayamsevak = Sangh (RSS). En route, RSS arranged a meeting with a delegation of 30 = Khasi Hindus from Meghalaya that were touring the state of Maharashtra = as part of RSS\rquote s Bharat Mera Ghar (India is My Home) project. = Khasis are an ethnic community of Bharat that is small and has a unique = cultural, linguistic, and religious identity. They fit into the = definition of Hindu, which includes any spiritual, religious, cultural, = or philosophical identity that has developed out of the ancient tolerant = and non-monopolistic spiritual traditions that have flourished in = Bharat. I was shocked but absolutely delighted to meet this delegation = of Khasi Hindus who were patriotic to India and proud of their heritage. = Previously, my concept of India\rquote s northeast was that everyone = had converted to Christianity and wanted to separate from Bharat. I = then resolved to go to this state when the opportunity arose. \par=20 \par During my final year of medical school (1996-1997), the curriculum = allowed time for clinical rotations outside of the USA. I arranged a = clinical rotation with Dr. R. S. Thangkhiew, a Khasi Hindu physician in = Shillong, through 2 RSS pracharaks (full-time volunteers): Sunil Deodhar = and Sumant Amshekar. I wanted to experience this state of Bharat that = so few people get to experience, learn about the unique culture of the = people there, and see first hand what Christian missionaries were doing. = In my free time, I tried to meet as many people as I could to = understand their experiences in the face of British rule, Christian = penetration, and the Indian freedom movement. I mostly interacted with = Khasi Hindus. \par=20 \par As a medical student, I expected to learn a lot about infectious = diseases, poverty, and lack of basic resources. I saw those problems = and realized the great contributions I could make as a physician. = However, I was shocked to hear about rampant discrimination that = Christians meted out to non-Christians (mostly Hindus, including Khasis, = Sikhs, Assamese, and Bengalis). Christian denominations control almost = 100% of the state\rquote s educational and health care institutions and = resources. Most of them give discounts to those people who identify = themselves with the particular Christian sect that runs that particular = institution. Additionally in many hospitals, if an individual cannot = pay his bill at the end of his stay, the hospital will offer to waive = the full amount of the bill if he converts to Christianity. \par=20 \par There is discrimination in other fields as well. Most top = government jobs are given to Christians. Words from the pulpit = influence local politics. There are barely any non-Christian members in = the state legislative assembly. Recently, the Khasi Hindu Governor of = Mizoram was forced to become Christian by the churches. Aprial Mon = Thangkhiew, a resident of Shillong, the capital of Meghalaya, said, = \ldblquote Missionaries got converts because of education. Converts got = admission to colleges and hostels outside the northeast while = non-Christians did not. Poor Khasis couldn\rquote t afford to go = outside. Only Christians got scholarships. My cousin was a Presidency = College Gold Medallist but he didn\rquote t get a scholarship because he = was not a Christian. Conversion was the price for higher education. = People converted because of educational and economic reasons initially. = So, the poor bright people converted and then the other poor followed. = If these preferences weren\rquote t offered, people wouldn\rquote t have = converted.\rdblquote=20 \par=20 \par The Khasi heritage deserves a unique position within Hindu heritage = because it is distinct in many ways. Khasis are one of the few = communities of the northeast that still maintain the religion and = traditions handed down to them prior to Christian and Islamic influence. = They believe in one universal God, U Blei, who is the creator of = everything. They do not have a written text or scripture, and the = heritage verbally passes from generation to generation. The basic = principle of Khasi religion is similar to the eternal principles of = other Hindu religions. It is to earn righteousness in the world. The = basic precept is that to know God, one must first know, love and respect = fellow human beings. Prayer, song, and dance are important aspects of = the culture. Throughout the year, there are community dances where = villagers get together. In March and April, there is the }{\i Shad Suk = Mynsiem,}{ (literally translated various ways, Shad means dance, Suk = means happiness or tranquility, and Mynsiem means soul or heart), a = dance of joy, merriment, gratitude, and thanksgiving. Khasis follow a = matrilineal system of lineage. The wife keeps her mother\rquote s last = name, children keep the mother\rquote s last name, and the youngest = daughter inherits the family property.}{\b=20 \par=20 \par }{There are many people who still remember the difficulties Khasis = faced when British and Christian rule was still there. Jrin Mon = Thangkhiew recalls, \ldblquote My grandfather Babu Jeebon Roy wanted to = start a school to promote the Khasi culture and religion and strengthen = ties with the rest of India. He approached the British Government in = 1875 and was told to get permission from the Welsh Calvinist Mission, = which had been entrusted the task of propagating education. The = missionaries replied, \lquote We have only come to educate your people = to the extent that they can read the Bible. Anyway, your people do not = have enough brains for higher studies.\rquote \rdblquote Nevertheless, = in 1876, the Shillong High School opened with Roy\rquote s own money, = but the Christian missionaries could not tolerate this because they = realized it was a threat to their control of education, a tool for = proselytisation. The government was forced to give control of the = school to the Presbyterian missionaries, and subsequently, education = about Khasi heritage was eliminated, Christianity became the sole = religion taught, and the medium of instruction was changed from Bengali = to English. \par=20 \par 97 year old Kong Helimon Diengdoh married the first non-Christian = Khasi lawyer and was recently honored at the Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose = Birth Centenary Celebrations as a patriotic freedom fighter. She = recounts, \ldblquote Christians weren\rquote t pleased when we got = independence. Being Christian, they liked the Britishers, and they = still do even now.\rdblquote U Hipshon Roy is one of the most = respected leaders among tribals in India and a retired IFAS officer. He = explains the Christian mentality, \ldblquote When our king U Kiang = Nangbah raised his flag to fight the British, all the non-Christians = rallied around him, but not a single Christian joined him.\rdblquote=20 \par=20 \par Aprial Mon Thangkhiew explains, \ldblquote The Christians and = British tried to teach us to hate our culture \endash song, dance, = religion \endash everything. If we sang a Khasi song, they would laugh = at us. They called us devil worshippers. They preached in our schools = and brainwashed Khasis. The converted Khasis were just like them. They = laughed at us when we went to our dances. I went to the Presbyterian = school. I had many good friends. However, after some of them were = converted to Christianity, they told me, \lquote We\rquote ll go to = heaven and you\rquote ll go to hell.\rquote They didn\rquote t realize = that they were dishonoring their ancestors. The British policy to send = missionaries didn\rquote t do anything for us except weaken our culture. = They converted all the Syiems (local rulers) except the Syiem of = Nongkrum. Then other people converted.\rdblquote }{\b=20 \par }\pard\plain \s15\nowidctlpar\widctlpar\adjustright \fs20\cgrid { \par }\pard\plain \nowidctlpar\widctlpar\adjustright \fs20\cgrid {Due to = this history of Christian and British legacy, and to earlier Hindu = apathy, Hindus face many challenges in the Northeast. First, there is = the threat of Christian missionary coercion. Second, years of isolation = from the rest of India and Christian and British propaganda have = engendered a separatist feeling among the people. Third, as the tribal = communities are strengthening their identities, there is a need to = reaffirm to them that they are an integral part of Hindu society and = that Hindu society will neither convert them nor swallow them. \par }{\b=20 \par }{Many organizations have been dealing with these challenges. = Since 1899, Seng Khasi has been working to maintain the indigenous Khasi = culture and religion and defend it against attacks from Christian = missionaries. Seng Khasi and its sister group Sein Raj organize Khasi = religious and cultural programs, hold regular prayers and meetings, = publish material to educate people about the Khasi heritage, operate = schools with Seva Bharati, and offer medical camps along with RSS. Over = the last decade, RSS has dedicated many resources to helping the = indigenous cultural and religious movements led by the organizations = Seng Khasi and Sein Raj. Inspired by the RSS vision of a culturally = proud, united, and alert nation, Seva Bharati and Vanvasi Kalyan Ashram = operate many schools, student and youth hostels, medical clinics, and = dispensaries. They have a host of other programs seeking to instill = self-respect and unity such as Bharat Mera Ghar and Tribal Sports = Tournaments. Ramakrishna Mission has been very active this century, and = has many well-established schools and centers to promote Vedanta. = However, all these groups encounter constant opposition from Christians. = Recently, a permit to build its first temple in the state was denied to = ISKCON. \par=20 \par WILL NON-CHRISTIANS DIE IN THE YEAR 2000?This was the most frequent = question I was asked while in Meghalaya. Christian missionaries in = India have been saying that the apocalypse is coming in the year 2000 = and that all non-Christians will die. Raising the threat of eternal = damnation in hell to those who are non-Christians in the year 2000, they = are scaring people into making a safe choice. Dr. Sam Pamei, a = Christian from Nagaland who lives in Shillong, said, \ldblquote If I = have a choice to be Christian but face no bad outcome from the = perspective of my indigenous religion, or follow my indigenous religion = and face eternal damnation if Christianity is the way, then the safe bet = is to become Christian.\rdblquote Sunil Deodhar, explained, \ldblquote = Due to the work of Seng Khasi, Sein Raj, and RSS, Christian missionaries = are gaining fewer converts and are actually losing many people back to = the indigenous fold. The threat of eternal damnation is their last = ditch attempt to win converts as 150 years of Christian influence in = this region has resulted in only 50% of the population giving up their = indigenous religion.\rdblquote=20 \par }{\b=20 \par }{The northeast is very important for Hindus and Indians. For = India, it is a region with ties to other parts of India that date to = antiquity. It is also a region that borders Bangladesh, China, and = Burma. For Hindus, if the northeast goes, then many other tribal = communities are susceptible to severing ties with the age-old Hindu = society. Furthermore, each time some Hindu community converts, their = unique contribution to the Hindu religious and cultural melting pot is = lost and Hinduism becomes less diverse. Two hundred years ago Hindus = may have been at a technological, economic, and political disadvantage, = but today, Hindus have all the resources they need to maintain a healthy = and progressive society. When I left Meghalaya, I felt that among = Khasis, there was a growing sense of pride in their religion, culture, = and heritage. There was also a strong feeling of appreciation of being = part of the Hindu diaspora and India itself. We must respond and = support our fellow brothers and sisters. Most importantly, we must = reinforce to them the ancient saying, \ldblquote Truth is One, Sages = Call it by Various Names,\rdblquote which offers them a unique identity = within Hindu society. \par=20 \par By Mihir Meghani, M.D. \par Email: }{\field{\*\fldinst { HYPERLINK mailto:mihir@hindunet.org = }{{\*\datafield \bin139 = =00=D0=C9=EAy=F9=BA=CE=11=8C=82=00=AA=00K=A9=0B=02=00=00=00=17=00=00=00=13= =00=00=00m=00i=00h=00i=00r=00@=00h=00i=00n=00d=00u=00n=00e=00t=00.=00o=00= r=00g=00=00=00=E0=C9=EAy=F9=BA=CE=11=8C=82=00=AA=00K=A9=0B4=00=00=00m=00a= =00i=00l=00t=00o=00:=00m=00i=00h=00i=00r=00@=00h=00i=00n=00d=00u=00n=00e=00= t=00.=00o=00r=00g=00=00=00}}}{\fldrslt {\cs16\ul\cf2 = mihir@hindunet.org}}}{ \par Address: PO Box 250304, West Bloomfield, Michigan 48325 USA. \par=20 \par To send donations to Seva Bharati Meghalaya, or for more = information, write to Seva Bharati Meghalaya, c/o D. Kharkongor, D. M. = Syiem Compound, Upper Nongthymmai, Nehu Road, Shillong, Meghalaya 793014 = \endash Bharat (India). \par }} ------=_NextPart_000_0098_01BDED7B.6C8BBF20-- _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ameya@worldnet.att.net Fri Oct 2 00:23:27 1998 From: "Vaiju Vijay Ruikar" To: , "Priscilla Mayer" , , , , , "Rambhau Joshi" , "Mr Iridium" , "Prashant Balwant Phatak" , ", "Seema Kantak" , "Shikaripura Harihareswara" Subject: Fw: Fwd: Something to Think About Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 21:24:37 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19981002042254.RYPE18317@default> X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org ---------- From: Allen Chang To: Recipient list suppressed Subject: fsc: Fwd: Something to Think About Date: Friday, September 25, 1998 7:17 PM The Paradox of Our Age We have taller buildings, but shorter tempers; wider freeways, but narrower viewpoints; we spend more, but have less; we buy more, but enjoy it less. We have bigger houses and smaller families; more conveniences, but less time; we have more degrees, but less common sense; more knowledge, but less judgement; more experts, but more problems; more medicine, but less wellness. We spend too recklessly, laugh too little, drive too fast, get too angry too quickly, stay up too late, get up too tired, read too seldom, watch TV too much, and pray too seldom. We have multiplied our possessions, but reduced our values. We talk too much, love too seldom and lie too often. We've learned how to make a living, but not a life; we've added years to life, not life to years. We've been all the way to the moon and back, but have trouble crossing the street to meet the new neighbor. We've conquered outer space, but not inner space; we've done larger things, but not better things; we've cleaned up the air, but polluted the soul; we've split the atom, but not our prejudice; we write more, but learn less; plan more, but accomplish less. We've learned to rush, but not to wait; we have higher incomes, but lower morals; more food but less appeasement; more acquaintances, but fewer friends; more effort but less success. We build more computers to hold more information, to produce more copies than ever, but have less communication; we've become long on quantity, but short on quality. These are the time of fast foods and slow digestion; tall men and short character; steep profits, and shallow relationships. These are the times of world peace, but domestic warfare; more leisure and less fun; more kinds of food, but less nutrition. These are days of two incomes, but more divorce; of fancier houses, but broken homes. These are days of quick trips, disposable diapers, throwaway morality, one-night stands, overweight bodies, and pills that do everything from cheer, to quiet, to kill. It is a time when there is much in the show window, and nothing in the stockroom. Indeed it's all true. Think about it...read it again. ---------- _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From shahajay@yahoo.com Fri Oct 2 03:34:36 1998 Message-ID: <19980928091208.21098.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 02:12:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Ajay Shah Subject: GHEN's Part of Fundraising To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Cc: srinivas@rahul.net, rajiv@hindunet.org, sumir@eyepiece.com, hsc-sc@hindunet.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Namaskar, Some of you may have noticed that on a few of hindunet.org webpages, we have banner advertisement. For every click, we get a few cents. 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Regards Mahesh Mehta _____________________________ For help, send an e-mail with HELP body to: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Comments and questions are welcome, use: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org From ameya@worldnet.att.net Sat Oct 3 00:46:37 1998 From: "Vaiju Vijay Ruikar" To: , Subject: Fw: Kailas Mansarover... Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 21:37:36 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BDEE4C.DF372420" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19981003044541.POW13514@default> X-Loop: owner-vhpgc-l@hindunet.org X-Mailing-List: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org Reply-To: vhpgc-l@hindunet.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BDEE4C.DF372420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- > From: Kishore Y Chaphekar > To: raamnaam@aol.com; chaphekar@aol.com; chetana@flash.net > Subject: Kailas Mansarover... > Date: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 1:09 AM > > Check out the photo in the attachment. > A rare sight of the formation of OM in the snow clad Kailas > mountain in the Himalayas. The Kailas-Mansarovar yatra is just meant for > Catching a glimpse of this and not all are lucky enough to see it. The > yatra is held at a time when most of the snow has melted but the snow on > this part of the mountain does not melt. This is where (and why) we say > that Lord Shankar has Permanent place. > > > (See attached file: KAILAS.JPG) > ------=_NextPart_000_01BDEE4C.DF372420 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="KAILAS.JPG" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Description: Kailas (JPEG Image) Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="KAILAS.JPG" /9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQEBLAEsAAD/2wBDAAUDBAQEAwUEBAQFBQUGBwwIBwcHBw8LCwkMEQ8SEhEP ERETFhwXExQaFRERGCEYGh0dHx8fExciJCIeJBweHx7/2wBDAQUFBQcGBw4ICA4eFBEUHh4eHh4e Hh4eHh4eHh4eHh4eHh4eHh4eHh4eHh4eHh4eHh4eHh4eHh4eHh4eHh4eHh7/wAARCAE0Ai4DASIA AhEBAxEB/8QAHwAAAQUBAQEBAQEAAAAAAAAAAAECAwQFBgcICQoL/8QAtRAAAgEDAwIEAwUFBAQA AAF9AQIDAAQRBRIhMUEGE1FhByJxFDKBkaEII0KxwRVS0fAkM2JyggkKFhcYGRolJicoKSo0NTY3 ODk6Q0RFRkdISUpTVFVWV1hZWmNkZWZnaGlqc3R1dnd4eXqDhIWGh4iJipKTlJWWl5iZmqKjpKWm p6ipqrKztLW2t7i5usLDxMXGx8jJytLT1NXW19jZ2uHi4+Tl5ufo6erx8vP09fb3+Pn6/8QAHwEA AwEBAQEBAQEBAQAAAAAAAAECAwQFBgcICQoL/8QAtREAAgECBAQDBAcFBAQAAQJ3AAECAxEEBSEx 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