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Re: avatars...(Sai Baba)

To:  mani@srirangam.esd.sgi.com (Mani Varadarajan)
Re:  <3296hn$33l@ucunix.san.uc.edu>
Thank you for posting your views in this forum. I note your enthusiasm to
share the basis of your beliefs; I will gladly look at that basis. Thank you
for the offer.
As you say, you respond because:
>Lest people say, "He's making people feel better. Even if he's a fake,
why not leave him alone?" The issue is more complex than this.<<
Indeed, the issue _is_ more complex. I am delighted that you acknowledge that.
You have my complete attention brother- let no sham pass this point. Let us be
forthright and demand that the real _facts_ be brought to light.
Together perhaps we can put an end to superstition and rumour here and now.
You offer to share in email some data you have at hand, which you apparently
treasure and wish to supply to anyone willing to accept your gift. That is
very generous of you, thank you. Please, do give it to me.
I have read many many reports about Sai Baba. Some of them are very strange
indeed. Tell me brother is the data you have weird, or beautiful?  Does it
ennoble the reader, or degrade?  Is it kind or cruel ?  Is it helpful or
harmful? Can it be established as objective fact, or is it just gossip?
Is it the truth, or a fable?
I cannot wait- for you see I too am, like you, ever eager to attend truth and
share it with others.  Give me your treasure, and let us examine it together!
So far most of the `reports' floating about have been conclusively shown to be
mere unsubstantiated blather, just oldwives tales, which in some quarters
prove to be held in very high esteem indeed.  No one but me it seems ever
keeps the rebuttals to those little stories. I have many many many `stories'
at hand, and many facts as well.  In soc.culture.indian in the thread SANDEHA
have been addressed.  Should you wish to read those files,  please do attend
them and attach your data there. Already that thread has a vast readership,
and if you want attention, you have a built in audience there.  Should you
wish to present your stored data here rather than there, so be it; I will
attend your every word in either case.  Too, should you wish more private
divulgence, I will accept your offer to accept in email whatever stories you
have cached.  If the stories you offer prove new to me, I will investigate
them, address the issues therein one at a time, and post the results
>> A couple of years back, there were a serious of articles posted by many
people detailing the amateurish magic tricks Sai Baba uses to convince his
devoabout it, now that all the facts are out in public.
I find comparing the fact to the rumour quickly puts the rumourmonger to
shame, and silence. That is after all the only other way to end rumour and
superstition- the first way being to ignore rumour and rumour mongerers.
Some of the vandals who are ignored however then run off to another Net area,
and start telling their old tales all over again, neglecting to mention the
facts of the matter, showing only a partial truth.  It is amazing how many men
love to wag their tongues like that, as if they were but gossipy old women.
>>There are also some very disturbing details concerning the Baba's dealings
with certain other devotees and associates. I will be glad to email this file
to anyone who is interestey stumble who run fast'... as the Bard says.
Forgive me for running on, I just wanted to let you know where I stand
on all this. I await your details.
PostScript wherein  I must quote you : ``The short answer is -- no one man on
this earth can give you happiness, especially one so thoroughly debunked as
Sai Baba.  Render only unto God what is deservedly God's."
Bon whispers:
                no one person on this earth can give anyone happiness who is
                not already happy, and those happy ones render unto God
                absolutely everything.  The rest are like misers, beggars,
                cripples, addicts.  Let the happy heal the unhappy with love,
                educate them with joy, and illuminate them with example.
                           Loka Samastha Sukhino Bhavanthu
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