In article <email@example.com> you wrote:
: In article <firstname.lastname@example.org>, email@example.com (Vidyasankar Sundaresan) writes:
: |> How blind can one get? Mr. Know it all, please show me how the
: |> Brahmasutras are so crytal clear that they need no interpretation? Do you
: This is true because it is said in the Vaivarta Purana.
I looked in the list of Puranas in the 12th skandha of the Bhagavata.
There is Vaivarta Purana there. There is a Brahmavaivarta Purana.
: Also included
: in the list of crystal clear texts are the Vedas, the Puranas devoted
: to Lord Vishnu, and the original Ramayana.
And yet 200 years after Chaitanya, Baladeva Vidyabhushana felt the need
to write a bhashya on these supposedly "crystal-clear" sutras! This
because the Pandits of the day (without whose scholarly work, you would
understand even less of these "crystal-clear" shastras) were laughing at
the ignorance of the Gaudiyas.
: Ramanuja, Madhva, Sridhar Svami, Baladeva Vidyabhausana (sp?) and other
: great Vaisnava acaryas have all, of course, commented on the Brahma-sutra,
: and they generally do _not_ disagree on philosophy,
Go and read their works. They differ with each other on many points.
: do sometimes in practice.
And for a Bhakta isn't practice more important.
: But all the Vaisnava schools generally accept
: each other; Gopala Bhatta Gosvami was born in a Ramanujite (read
: visistadvaita) home but joined Chaitanya's (acintya bheda-abheda)
If all the Vaishnava schools accept each other, why didn't he stay a
: Similarly one of the greatest disciples of Chaitanya was
: Prabhodananda Sarasvati, who was also in the Sri (Ramanuja) sampradaya.
Sarasvati is a surname of Dashanami sannyasis which makes him a follower
of either Shankaracharya or possibly Madhva but definitely not Ramanuja.
Either Prabodhananda or your source is confused.
: Sri Chaitanya and Vallabhacarya were contemporaries and good friends,
: although they belonged to different Vaisnava sampradayas.
Vallabhas son Vitthalnath, the second acharya of the Pushti Marga, made a
complete break with the Gaudiyas.
: Well, I'll quote from Padma Purana anyways
The Padma Purana exists in several recensions. (Including, oddly enough,
a Jain one which gives the stories a Jain bias.) The Eastern or Bengali
recension is held by scholars to be a late 18th century forgery.
: Compare a
: translation of "Isopanishad" by Srila Prabhupada and by an
: impersonalist -- you'll find the impersonalist stretching the
: words beyond their meanings & interpreting words in non-standard ways a
: lot more frequently (such as using "purnam" for "infinite" rather
: than "complete"; "asurya" for "both the gods & the demons, opposed to
: the divine state of non-duality" versus "of the demons").
As opposed to the Vaishnavas who simply manufacture works that suit their
: There is no end in the Bhagavata Purana of liberated monists
: (not to be confused with materialistically trapped monists like
: Vivekananda, Ramakrishna, etc.) becoming great devotees of Krishna
: and Vishnu. The Catuh-Sana (4 sons of Brahma) are great examples;
: they became devotees upon smelling tulasi leaves offered to the feet
: of Narayana.
Yes and they were _already_ liberated before they became Bhaktas. Which
proves that Bhakti is not the cause of Moksha.
: "Those who are completely self-satisfied and great
: thinkers, liberated from all illusion, nevertheless
: are attracted by great transcendental pleasure by devotional
: service of Lord Hari, Urukrama (Vishnu as Vamana)"
Whether those great thinkers choose to be Bhaktas or not is their
personal choice. It is not required.
: of liberation is devotional service. The perfect jnani
: is the one who becomes a bhakta. Even Sankara did most of
: his bhakti hymns in his later life, perhaps to show this
Shankaracharya only lived for 32 years and he wrote his stotras
throughout his life. And note that he wrote stotras for all the Devas
not just Krshna.
: Brhad-Naradiya Purana [38.126]
This is also not listed in the 12th Skandha of the Bhagavata. It is
different from the Narada Purana which is mentioned there.
: Kalisantarana Upanishad
Kalisantarana Upanishad????! Vijay, I'm getting the feeling you're
making these up as you go along