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Re: Sin.
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To: alt-hindu@uunet.uu.net
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Subject: Re: Sin.
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From: fkaderli@access.ch (Francis Kaderli)
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 17:17:32 +0100
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Distribution: world
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From news@ns.access.ch Thu Aug 17 11: 03:53 1995
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Newsgroups: alt.hindu
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Organization: Francis Kaderli
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References: <3vrtjh$ho7@babbage.ece.uc.edu>
In article <3vrtjh$ho7@babbage.ece.uc.edu>,
dwaite@aladdin.co.uk (Dennis Waite) wrote:
username>fkaderli@access.ch (Francis Kaderli) wrote:
username>
username>>In article <3tujf3$7jc@babbage.ece.uc.edu>,
username>>dwaite@aladdin.co.uk (Dennis Waite) wrote:
username>
username>>username>Sri Parthasarathy says in his excellent commentaries on
the Gita
username>>that
username>>username>something is a sin if it causes an adverse reaction in
the mind
username>>after
username>>username>the event. Thus, it is O.K. to eat meat for example if
one feels
username>>no
username>>username>guilt or other negative reaction afterwards but if one
feels bad
username>>about
username>>username>it (mentally!), then it is a sin. This avoids all direct
username>>consideration
username>>username>of 'good' and 'evil', 'right' and 'wrong' etc. and the
username>>username>opinions/beliefs of others.
username>
username>>Dear Dennis
username>
username>>Karma is impartial. Karma does not say: this is good or this is
bad. It
username>>means, you act in some way and you will get a similar reaction.
Its
username>>actually up to you, to say the reaction was good (joyfull) or bad
username>>(painfull). It does certainly not depend on your awareness of
good and bad.
username>>But the reactions of your past actions will teach you theirs own
lessons,
username>>and it will "force" you to think about what is good or bad,
because the
username>>reactions you get, teaches you what is bad and nasty.
username>>But you have also the possibility to learn from the higher
authorithies
username>>(real spiritual teachers, the Vedas...) to avoid the hard lessons
of
username>>painfull reactions. It is up to you, everybody has his free will
and free
username>>choice.
username>
username>>Gaurahari d.
username>
username>Dear Gaurahari,
username>
username>Sorry but I don't actually see the relevance of your comments to
the
username>original question about sin. I understand the rule of karma and
its
username>mechanism via samskara on our progress through our lives. I don't
username>think it is useful to talk about 'good' and 'bad' in respect of
this
username>however. In order to divest ourselves of our accumulated samskara
username>(vasanas) we need to practise *right* action, which is action
purely
username>in response to the needs of the moment without any thought for the
username>outcome, good or bad, whether for ourselves or for others. If the
ego
username>is absent and manas and buddhi are functioning correctly, then
this
username>will happen naturally. Joy and pain are of no consequence to the
Self,
username>established in eternal bliss.
username>
username>Regards,
username>
username>Dennis
username>dwaite@aladdin.co.uk
Dear Dennis
Sorry, but you didn't catch my point. Sin doesn't depends on one's feeling
of good or bad.
Actually, there are two different points of view, what is sin:
1) Everything that is called "vikarma".
2) All actions - karma (good actions) and vikarma - that bring us away from
our eternal relationship with the supreme Lord.
You speak about the "right" action. What do you mean with right action?
According to the Vedas, there are three types of action:
1) Karma, actions, which produce good results.
2) Vikarma, the sinful actions, which produce bad or painful results.
3) Akarma, transcendental actions, which are performed in the service of
the supreme Lord. This actions are free of good or bad results, since they
have even the power to purify everyone from his past Karma or Vikarma.
As long as somebody is not on the level of "Akarma", he will automatically
stay on the level of Karma or Vikarma.
And because Manas and Buddhi belong to the subtle material covering the
Atma, the real eternal personality, they will not naturally lead you to the
"right" action.
You are right, joy and pain do not influence the real self, the Atma. But
to stay in eternal bliss means to stay 100% on the level of Akarma.
We are born in this Kali-yuga, because of our past actions. Therefore it is
necessary to understand what is Karma, Vikarma (or sin) and Akarma.
Still, if somebody is not aware of what is good and what is bad, he will be
teached by the future reactions. The reactions will come, even when he was
not concious about the good or bad of his past actions.
An example: If a little child touches the flame of a fire, the child will
be burnt also not been concious about the danger of the fire.
Regards
Gaurahari d.
