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Re: Arjuna
In an article about >Re: Arjuna< Dhruba Chakravarti
<dchakrav@netserv.unmc.edu> wrote:
>Prewien Shankar (p.i.shankar@twi.tudelft.nl) wrote:
>: had to be learned again..."Don't worry" IMHO is something you say to
>: comfort someone with whom you have a meaningfull understanding, so even
>: though he was/was not Self-Realized, wouldn't YOU like to hear Shri
>: Krishna telling you NOT TO WORRY ? Even a self realized person would
>: love to hear that, I would say, altough it could be something he/she
>: already understands than, nevertheless it's slightly different when
>: GOD sais it to you, wouldn't you agree ?
>Dear Prewienji:
>Thank you for sharing your thoughts. Please do ask your questions.
in that case..what..when..how..uhh..uhhh..;-)
>A Self-realized person is Sthita-prajna, that is, one who is not
>flustered by the happenings around him, he is neither elated by happy
>events, nor saddened by unhappy events. To advise him not to worry is
>redundant.
so a Self-realized person does not really care what happiness or sadness
happens around him and even does not care if GOD speaks to him ?
hmm...I don't want to be Self-realized anymore then...suppose GOD tells
me something wonderfull..and then I wouldn't react to that ?!
>: Finally....What SHOULD Shri Krishna HAVE said then ? after all, suppose
>: Arjuna is Self-Realized..So ? then he "understands"..so whe shouldn't talk
>: or comfort such people, just because they are self-realized ?
>Prewienji, I do not know, what would be the right answer to this. I
>could however, share with you what I feel about this. The Srimad
>Bhagavad Gita might have been different if it were told to Yudhishthira,
>instead of Arjuna.
uhhm...yes...it might I guess...But there is another way of looking at it..
(I think)...Some see the Bhagavad Gita as the story of mankind with his
eternal struggle between Good and Evil...and so you could think of Arjuna
as being you and Shri Krisha guiding you...THEN it _would_ make sense for
Shri Krishna to say things like "don't worry" etc...after all, then he is
not speaking just to Arjuna, but to every other human who will hear or
read about the Bhagavad Gita...so then he would be telling 'us' not to
worry, and then, according to your explanation, the self-realized wouldn't
be moved by this but the unself-realized would...
>As you read the SBG, you will discover something about the way the SBG
>is. It is unique among Upanishads in being so Samkhya-like
>(analytical). The other upanishads of the prasthAna-trayi are not like the
>SBG in this sense, the Self-realized Rishis generally used the yogic
>approach of discourse.
I am reading it occasionally, when study isn't getting im my way...
hmm..I can't comment on this...I only know of the Bhagavad Gita
(and saw some parts of the Mahabarat) oh, btw, is the Bhagavad Gita a
part of mahabarat, or is it meant as something seperate ?
(is everything also said in mahabarat)
>Sri Krishna gave Arjuna the final lesson of Samkhya, bringing it up to
>unite with yoga in the SBG. Although it is emphasized everywhere that
>God-realization can not be done with a rational (analytical) analysis,
>but the mind must be emptied for Divine consciouness to pour in, Sri Krishna
>used rational analysis to a great length in the SBG, elevating the level of
>discourse for Arjuna and for posterity. This allowed Arjuna to ask all
>those wonderful questions.
I haven't read that yet...sorry :) ... hmm... Shri Krishna was right
(ofcourse ;-) )...think about it..most people think when something is done
rationally, it is automatically good...it is not...after all, we use
rationalism by using our senses...and they are NOT perfect..or is
David Copperfield really able to fly ;-) ?
>Perhaps, if Sri Krishna were to speak to a Self-realized person, He would
>have talked mostly on a yogic level.
to become Self-realized you have to meditate correct ? and when you do
so, you'll become aware of pureness/truth right ? who is it that can
teach you pureness ? -> Shri Krishna...so in a way he IS talking to
Self-realized people...
Prewien.
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