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Why Paramparaa? (was Re: Animal killing and Soul merging condemned)



In article <4frkmr$bv6@babbage.ece.uc.edu>,
   Ramakrishnan Balasubramanian <rbalasub@ecn.purdue.edu> wrote:

>>It is indeed possible, just as it is possible that other verses attributed
>>to PP exist only in smarta or Shaivite communities, etc.
>
>At laaassst! I am glad you agree with me. So there is no question of claiming
>puraanic superiority - neither by the Vaishnavaas nor the Shaivites nor the
>Smaarthas. If you admit that you believe in Vaishnavism because you FEEL it's
>right, I won't and can't argue. But, as you very aptly observed, different
>versions say various things and you can't claim puraanic superiority by 
quoting
>only those which support you.
>
>There is nothing to prove your version is right other than your own belief. 
So
>you can't use that to justify bashing Samarthas, Shavites or any other
>tradition and then claim that the puaanaas justify only your sect. I hope all 
>misconceptions have been sorted out now.

What I like about using the paramparaa versions of scripture is that you get a 
very consistent picture of the Vedanta. Ultimately, I think that people who 
are sincerely interested in the Absolute Truth will look for consistency, 
rather than a hodgepodge. Just recently I was having an e-mail conversation 
with an advaitin who was trying to come up with all sorts of alleged 
inconsistencies in the Bhagavad-Gita. The purport of his speculation is that, 
because of its supposed contradictions, we have to avoid accepting the literal 
statements of the Gita and instead accept advaita. I have been told on more 
than one occasion by various people that the Vedic literatures are 
inconsistent with each other, and hence in order to resolve the 
inconsistencies, we have to accept advaita, which states that everything is 
ultimately one.

However, this is a problematic approach. First of all, advaita simply states 
that all the gods are various saguna forms of the nirguna brahman. Simply 
accepting this theory does not explain why one saguna form is sometimes 
portrayed as supreme to the exclusion of others. For example, in the 
Bhagavad-Gita there are very clear statements to the effect that Krishna is 
the Supreme Lord, and all other devas are subordinate to Him. The statements 
are so crystal clear that there can be no question of them in the Gita. But 
some netters have observed that one can find statements in the 
taamasic/raajasic Puranas (or nonparamparaa versions of the saatvik texts) 
which portray Krishna as subordinate to other devas. Why this contradiction?

The advaitins say that ultimately everything is one, and the existence of any 
contradiction in who is/is not supreme makes us obliged to accept their 
theory. But it is not all clear to me why such an inconsistency requires this. 
When you think about it, the advaitin theory does not explain away such 
inconsistencies, it simply diverts your attention away from them. Why is one 
saguna form sometimes portrayed as supreme, and sometimes portrayed as a 
devotee of the supreme? It makes no sense, even from the advaitist point of 
view.

The second problem with the advaitist approach is the lack of reverence for 
scripture inherent within it. If you call something a scripture and say it 
comes from God, then that means it is faultless. Any perceived faults can only 
be due to our own ignorance. Some would call this fanaticism, but I call it 
common sense. I have very little respect for a philosophy which has to 
establish itself by questioning the validity of the very scriptures it claims 
to venerate. The whole point of calling something scripture is that it is to 
be taken as is, without us superimposing our own ideas on top of it. The same 
version of the Bhagavad-Gita is accepted by all major schools of Vedanta, and 
it clearly proclaims Krishna to be supreme to the exclusion of all other 
devas. The bottom line is, if a person really respects the Gita (rather than 
just claiming to do so), then he will follow the Gita's instructions and 
become a devotee of Krishna, not some other deva. 

Now, a lot of people will claim that this is unreasonable. They will say that 
in Hinduism, all gods are supreme and everything is okay. If someone is simply 
interested in Hinduism, then I suppose that attitude is fine. But if someone 
is interested in the Supreme Absolute Truth, then he can't settle for that 
kind of relativism.

A friend of mine said it best when he observed that Hinduism has become like a 
jacket that people put on when they want to show it off and then take it off 
when it becomes inconvenient to them. I get the feeling that a lot of people 
are interested in calling themselves Hindu simply because that is the culture 
they were born into. This often manifests itself as the desire to learn about 
one's culture, read various texts, etc. But another characteristic of this 
attitude is a lack of interest in being held to any common set of moral 
principles.  What many Hindus (and indeed, many people of other religions as 
well) want is the feeling of *being* religious without the concomitant 
inconveniences that that requires. As a result, they don't like to be told 
that there is any one understanding that is correct (the implications of such 
an idea would be that they have to practice some sadhana regularly); they want 
to believe that ultimately there are many interpretations and that each 
interpretation is just as good as every other. Again, this is fine for the 
majority of people whose interest in religion is superficial. But there will 
always be a small minority of people who want more than flag-waving and other 
shallow demonstrations of their bodily identity. Such people will have 
realized the futility of living in the material world, and they will want to 
learn how to get out. These people want something Absolute, something which is 
correct for everyone. They don't want to be told that everything is good and 
fine, and that no matter what you believe, it's just *your* interpretation, 
etc. etc. The Supreme *Absolute* Truth means that it is the same for everyone. 
Those who have lost interest in material pleasures will naturally look for 
something else to believe in... something that is Absolute.

No why am I bringing all of this up? The unfortunate fact is that I (and many 
other netters, in fact) have noticed a very disturbing moral and cultural 
crisis among Indians, both here and in India. A culture that was once purely 
spiritual is now becoming increasingly materialistic due to exposure to the 
West. I was born into a fairly pious smaartha braahmin community, and I have 
noticed that even within it there are very few who actually practice any kind 
of regulative principles. Many of the 2nd generation kids have given up the 
traditions of their ancestors and have taken to meat-eating, alcohol drinking, 
and even premarital sex. Many of these kids even eat cow meat. There is very 
little respect for the elders from the children, and why should there be? Even 
 many of the elders have themselves abandoned their culture. Why is all this 
happening? There are so many Hindu groups and temples nearby, so one would 
think that such gross materialism would not be observed.

Well, the bottom line is that none of these people have heard any reason why 
they should practice any sadhana. The system of learning philosophy we 
encountered as youths was that someone (usually preaching some form of 
neo-advaita) would give his philosophy, and then he would say in so many words 
that ultimately this was just *his* interpretation, and that in reality many 
different "interpretations" were good and fine. So, when materialistic people 
hear this, they will assume that the decision to practice that philosophy 
is simply optional, and that they can go on with their materialistic sense 
gratification. If the speaker of a philosophy does not have the conviction 
that it is the correct path, which will actually lead to the blissful goal of 
the Absolute Truth, then why should he expect anyone to take him seriously? He 
may get donations for speaking very nicely, but very few will sacrifice their 
sense gratification to aspire for some impersonal goal which is only his 
interpretation anyway. 

So, this brings me back to the supposed inconsistency of the Vedic literatures 
and the importance of hearing through paramparaa. Ultimately, when you hear 
scripture through one of the four bona fide sampradaayas, you will get a very 
consistent picture of the Truth, as well as some consistent rules and 
guidelines which should be followed to get there.  

When a consistent message of Vedic spirituality is delivered in this way, 
there will no longer be any doubt as to what is right and what is wrong. 
Hindus will not be able to engage in so many materialistic vices under the 
strength of their assertion that it is "their interpretation." If Hindus could 
develop faith in a consistent Vedic system of belief and practice, they would 
cease to become a defeated culture that tries to cover their shame by 
absorbing Western ideas. Instead, they would be able to teach others what the 
real purpose of human life is. No one will respect Vedic culture if the Hindus 
 themselves do not respect it.

In this case, how to decide what paramparaa, or disciplic succession is giving 
 the proper understanding of the Vedanta?  Ultimately, if there are several 
genuine paramparaas, then their basic conclusions will be the same. Each will 
present a consistent understanding of the Vedic literatures that is in line 
with the Bhagavad-Gita. It's not hard to see who such people are if one reads 
the Gita with an open mind.

The paramparaa system makes sense because there has to be some way of 
filtering out the authentic scripture (those actually compiled by Vyaasa) from 
those which are later corruptions. I don't mean to name names and stir up bad 
feelings, but just to take an example, Ramakrishnana Balasubrmanian scoffed at 
the very idea of hearing scripture through a paramparaa. But this attitude is 
short sighted. If you don't accept guru-shishya paramparaa as the proper way 
of hearing the Vedanta, then you have no way of deciding what versions of a 
scripture to accept, and what to reject. That means that if you know a 
particular version of a Purana has been corrupted by the later addition of 
verses, you have no reason for rejecting that in favor of another version 
which has been in circulation for thousands of years!

Let's say, for example, that I find a version of the Siva Purana that I feel 
blasphemes Lord Siva. I could reject it simply because it offends me, but that 
would be a personal judgement call based on my own tastes and biases, with 
little objectivity. On the other hand, if I accepted that some versions of the 
Siva Purana were authentic and others were not, then it follows that there 
must be some mechanism for determining that -- namely, the disciplic 
succession of spiritual masters whose responsibility it is to maintain and 
comment on these texts. Without the authority of such a paramparaa, I have no 
basis for saying what versions of the Purana are acceptable and which are not. 
In fact, without such a paramparaa I could not say anything authoritative 
about the Purana at all, because I would have to accept that every version of 
the Siva Purana is just as good as every other!

The same 700 Sanskrit Verses of the Bhagavad-Gita are accepted by all major 
schools of Vedanta, including the advaitist one. Therein it is clearly stated 
who is the Supreme God and what the purpose of life is. The Gita is the Lord's 
own explanation of the Vedanta, and since everyone accepts the same version of 
it, it therefore follows that they must understand other Vedic texts with 
respect to the Gita. The Gita clearly explains why the Vedas contain 
facilities for worshiping other devas, who these devas are in relation to Lord 
Krishna, and who we should worship if we want liberation. If a Hindu honestly 
accepts the idea that there is a God, then he has to accept that the other 
Vedic literatures must be in line with the Gita. Any inconsistencies can only 
be due to 1) our own misunderstanding, or 2) an unauthentic version of the 
scripture. The authenticity of the Gita can't be questioned since all major 
Vedanta schools accept it. So one must accept the other scriptures in the same 
spirit as the Gita. In fact, when you think about it, the desire to see 
inconsistency in the Vedic literatures is held by those who have no faith in 
them. This includes the Christian evangelists of old as well as certain 
new-age Hindu groups. I see no difference between these groups because they 
each are trying to break the faith of the people in the literal Vedanta in 
order to forward their own respective agendas. A true theist would accept the 
opinions of scripture as superior to the speculations given by mortal men.

So, to summarize, I don't believe that:

If you admit that you believe in Vaishnavism because you FEEL it's
>right, I won't and can't argue. But, as you very aptly observed, different
>versions say various things and you can't claim puraanic superiority by 
quoting
>only those which support you.

Everyone accepts the Bhagavad-Gita, and the Gita very clearly states that 
Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and that He is distinct from 
the other jivas. There is no question of merging with Him as far as the Gita 
is concerned. I have yet to see any clear-cut advaitist sentiments in BG. So 
if you accept Bhagavad-Gita, then you have to become a devotee of Lord 
Krishna, and accept only as genuine those paramparaas which are also dedicated 
to Him. You can't claim that Bhagavad-Gita is a scripture and then accept some 
other yogi who gives a different opinion than it. The Topmost commentary on 
the Vedanta has already been given by Krishna in the Gita. So, for those of 
you who are interested in the Absolute Truth and who accept the Gita, I 
suggest you start with Bhagavad-Gita and judge the authenticity or lack 
thereof of other beliefs and paramparaas according to it. 

-- HKS



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