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Re: ISKCON - help define these terms
Hari Krishna Susarla <susarla.krishna@studentserver1.swmed.edu> wrote:
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>>opposite end, one's personal existence is the only thing which always IS and
>>verifiable directly.
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>First you say that you have no personal existence, and now you say you do.
>It's clear to me that you have no idea what Advaita is,
*** Sir sorry to interrupt. First of all there are two states here.
one in which everything is one and the other in which they are all
different. If you read what Ramakrishnan has written, he says
existence is the only thing VERIFIABLE. This is because you are in
the second state. You will see this if you try to get an idea of what
he is talking about rather than trying to form an idea of whether he
has an idea of advaita or not!!! Please try to see what people are
SAYING instead of trying to evaluate their Parampara and their guru.
(There is a reference in Mahabharata calle Vyadhageeta where
a `Butcher' explains about god to a person who has performed tapas for
years. What was the parampara of the butcher? The saint comes to know
that the butcher is more knowledgeable than him!!).
>>>wonder how we can accept a statement of truth from someone for whom the
>whole
>>>world is an illusion.
*** Unfortunately it is for you and me that the whole world is an illusion
and not for the person who is saying this because for HIM the world
is just ONE, which is the absolute. Also truth will remain to be
true irrespective of whether one accepts it or not(just like Ganesha
accepting milk was due to surface tension and not because HE was
really drinking it:-))
>Anyway, the orignal point stands. For you, the whole world is an illusion. So
>why should I accept anything you say? You are also an illusion, according to
>your own so-called philosophy.
**** It is not for Ramakrishnan that the world is an illusion. But if you
argue on this line, let me tell you. Even if you accept, you an
illusion is accepting an illusion from an illusion who is called
Ramakrishnan and I an illusion is writing(which is also an illusion)
about this. Please dont stop the illusion logic wherever you want
and start applying what you THINK(an illusion again) is NOT illusion.
You are basically switching between two states as you like. The void
between these states is so huge that a very FEW people in the past
have been able to get past it(or may be i should call them a few
souls).
I have one very straight forward question. Valmiki is supposed to be
the author of Ramayana and is supposed to be a great man. What was
his Parampara?
>Once again, carefully avoiding substance, you make assertions you cannot
>support. I find it amusing that you believe I have shown myself "to be
>unwilling to engage in any logical argument," you who are not even sure of
>your own existence. Then you state that "your arguments on paramparaa has
****HaHaHa. Sorry about that i couldnt help laughing and writing it too.
It is you who is not sure of what he is saying and not he who is
unsure of his existence. You are totally wrong about his surity of
his existence.
>is amusing that you must rely on Ken, who equates worship of Beavis and
>Butt-head and TVs with worship of Vishnu.
*** The Vyadha who preaches the saint does not even worship any god.
He says that he is deeply engrossed in whatever his duty is and hence
this is equivalent to worshiping god.(Vyadha - butcher).
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>There is no contradiction here. The difference between my disagreeing with
>someone and your disagreeing is that
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>1) I base my disagreements on clear reasoning, much of which goes unanswered
** Sorry to interrupt again. But i really didn't see the relationship
between Materialism and lack of Celibacy. If you know the meanings of the
two words, they dont have an If.. Then relationship of any kind.
Such arguments obviously go unanswered because they dont make sense.
>you don't know what you are talking about, but you act as if you do. Show me
>one verse that Prabhupada has mistranslated, and then tell me how it
>translated. I contend that you are blowing off steam as usual, basedr
>desire to discredit genuine religion and glorify anything which allo
>maintain your own materialistic lifestyle.
*** I really dont know about Prabhupada's translations and I really dont
care. But how do you know that Ramakrishnan or anyone else is a
materialist?? You have just now misinterpreted his nature by extrapolating
from his writings. And respected sir What exactly is GENUINE religion?
This i am really interested in knowing about. Because I never knew
that there were a few fake religions. Pray enlighten me on this.
(BTW I am not yet self realised and so for me everything exists as
it is and is not an illusion.)
Prasad Sista(also known as Sista)
Real Secret of Work: Think about what you are doing and nothing beyond
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