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Re: SRH Reorg FAQ
In article <31EC0722.E7B@ecn.purdue.edu>,
Ramakrishnan Balasubramanian <rbalasub@ecn.purdue.edu> wrote:
>You better read what I said again. If we were in the "objective matter-of-fact
>example giving" bussiness, you should have also given some example like:
Think hard for a second and consider this - the example I gave was as
nontraditional as I could get because the people involved were
a) non-Indian
b) punk
c) gay
Also realize that _I'm_ not the one claiming that "all members of
group X are Hindus". So, I don't have to be exhaustive - I just have
to give an appropriate counterexample, and I did.
Of course, none of you responded.
The reason I picked Shaivites, and not Vaishnavites, is that the
presence of serious non-Indian Shaivites is significantly less
well-known.
>Was Allen Ginsberg, a pot-smoking, homosexual hippie who joined ISKCON and
>became Swami Prabhupada's disciple and contemplated Lord Krishna's handsome
>form and declared that he felt accepted in ISKCON
>
>a. a vaishnava?
I would say no, since he engaged in sexual activities and drug use
(which is not in accordance with scripture).
>b. a hindu?
I'm not the one going around claiming that everyone and their mothers
are Hindu, but you apparently are, so I'll leave it to you to decide
if Ginsberg was or was not Hindu. Was he?
>c. vaishnava but not Hindu?
I don't consider him a Vaishnava, so the answer is an automatic no.
>How come such "serious, concerete" examples never occur to you?
Mind-reading again? Besides, it's easy for the Hindutva brigade to
declare that a bunch of nice, clean folk are Hindus. I want to see
what their reaction is when the people in question aren't so "nice and
clean". Apparently, their reaction is to start calling me names.
>After all you are closely related with ISKCON. Oh, I know, that
>would be too close to home wouldn't it?
Your point is what? The people I mentioned are harder to determine
because their punk lifestyle is an extra point beyond Ginsberg's
beatnik lifestyle, in the eyes of most traditional Hindus. Note that
months after I asked the question, you _still_ haven't answered the
question - are they Hindu?
>Dear sir, if you think I am naive enough to believe your "matter-of-fact,
>serious" examples, I can think of a good retort, albeit unfortunately, in
>Tamil
I think you are an interesting amusement, since you take it upon
yourself to try to track others down and put words in their mouths
even after you've declared the end of your participation on threads.
>The last time I posted it, you were unable to answer it anyway. Exercise for
>you. Dig up the archives and find my questions if you are eager to see it at
>once. I'll try to post my questions sometime later, if you can wait.
I'll wait, thanks.
>PS: This is yet another post which I posted only to srh, the reply to which
>has found it's way to multiple groups. Please have the courtesy to inform me
>of such cross postings.
Gosh, if only you would have the courtesy to treat my statements
accurately, rather than trying to place your own spin on them. If you
and sns are so offended by the presence of gay people who claim to
worship Shiva in lingam form that you need to try to smear me for
mentioning their existence, I feel sorry for you.
-Vivek
