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Re: ARTICLE : Who decided that all vaishnavs are not hindus?
In article <ghenDv34F8.GnJ@netcom.com>, rajaroy@ecf.toronto.edu (Roy Raja)
writes:
>>
>>However they are actually hindu, as pure principles of hindu dharma are
>>not different from the Vaisnava and Vedas.
>
> Then you accept that all vaishnavs are actually hindus. I fully
> endorse that.
There is another reason why vaisnavas will not sometimes indentify oneself
as 'hindus'. It is that by 'hindu' one can mean anything that based on any
of the
rituals or sastras of Vedas. However not anything that is based on a right
thing is the right thing. Nowadays one can eat cow and do all sorts of
nonsence and call oneself hindu. Otherwise Vaisnavs are hindus, but just
better hindus. Ravana may be called hindu, but you will agree that
Vaisnavas are not in the same position.
Can you define the term 'hindu'?
>
>>Also important to understand that Visnu Himself is far beyond the
category
>>of
>>hindu. 'Hindu' is the word for a phenomenon of the temporarly social
>>realm. Anyhow God doesn't fit in the national frame.
>
> Could you elaborate what you mean? Does Hindu fit in a national frame?
> I am in Canada, so am I not a Hindu?
Do you know when for the first time in our Vedas and Upanisadas you find
this
word 'hindu'? I just mean that Visnu and His name is of a different scale.
>
>>Why should you put Visnu under the category of 'hindu deity' or
'non-hindu
>>deity'?
>
> For the simple reason that nobody other than a Hindu will accept Visnu
> as Godhead.
Anyone who realized Supreme will accept that Visnu is God. Otherwise his
realization is not complite. It whould be nice if you can define what you
mean by
'hindu deity' and where did you find this terms in the sastras.
>
>>Isn't it said in Bhagavatam that Visnu is Adhoksadja or transcendental
to
>>all this social and historical definitions?
>
> So say all other religions about their Gods, but I don't accept their
> claims. The discussion is not about Gods, but about the mortals. The
> question is whether vaishnavs are Hindu or not.
Not Visnu is mortal and vaisnavas are also not mortal. Do you think that
HanumanJi
ever die?
God is not the 'hindu' god or 'muslim' god or 'canadian' god. The sun is
the same in Canada and in India, in India there is more sun though. In the
same time vasinavas
are very much concern about the land of Sri Rama and Sri Krsna and
therefore they are trying to protect it from Ravana-like hindu pretenders.
Hope this will meet you fine.
Chaitanya Chandrodaya Das
