Re: REQUEST : Advice Sought re Talks to an Amewrican Audience

Posted By Rajinder Nijjhar (gnostic@zetnet.co.uk)
Sun, 6 Apr 1997 16:07:02 +0100

In message <ghenE7zuzz.2nK@netcom.com>
nnyxsi@swap31-236.ny.ubs.com (Kunal Singh) writes:

> In article <ghenE7Ls4w.K1K@netcom.com> ntiwari@rs3.esm.vt.edu (N.
Tiwari) writes:

> .. stuff deleted ..

> I focus on:

> a) Hinduism is a way, that can not only be talked about
> but also lived. As that done by Gandhi.

Gandhi was not a Hindu as he did not let people hold general
elections before FREEDOM but hypocritically presented his Congress
Party and the British hypocritically let it go. To-day, the British
are great supporters of democracy but why they did not hold elections
in India before Partition? Because they are hypocrites.

Rajinder Nijjhar.

> b) It is an approach, which seeks to

> Find a balance between desires and actual needs.
> For instance, you might not need a lamborgini, but
> will desire for it due to all sorts of pressures.
> The Hindu way tells us to how to come at terms
> with these excessive desires by the process of "shaman"
> (burning away) and not by "daman" (suppression). So
> that the desires dissolve off.

> c) It is an approach, where divinity has feminine as well
> as masculine aspects.

> d) The importance of nature, for reasons of ecology as
> well as spirituality.

> e) Karuna, ahimsa, and seva.

> f) Nyaya, satya and prema.

> I would conciously try to not needlessly intellectualise
> the discourse. Quite often, in such situations, we are not
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> sure as to what we are talking about.
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> That is a scary thought Mr. Tiwari, perhaps you should practice a bit
> more gyana yoga and a little less bhakti yoga.

> I have never lectured to anybody on anything, so that being my first
> disclaimer here are my suggestions on points that you should try to
> make:

> 1. Hinduism is vast, it is an inter-related collection of
> philosophies represented by various deities supported in debate by
> their adherents. Some deities eventually found a role and a place
> within the thought of Hinduism, others died, some were even reborn
> after having died.

> 2. The "myths" of Hinduism are actually historical accounts of the
> debates between the various schools of thought.

> 3. Hinduism, as in the Gita, recognizes four paths to liberation,
> raja yoga, gyana yoga, karma yoga, and bhakti yoga.

> 4. The gyana yoga of Hinduism has been advanced by philosophers
> through debates.

> 5. The notion of consciousness being unique to Hinduism, try to
> discuss the discovery of consciousness by Hinduism (legend of the
> manifestation of the fiery lingam by Shiva to Vishnu and Brahma).

> 6. Emphasize that the idea of consciousness was not unquestioned in
> Hinduism (Vishnu and Brahma examining the fiery lingam, the legend
> of the death of Sati)

> 7. The role of raja yoga in Hinduism as being instrumental due to it
> being the only method to verify experientially the existence of higher
> levels of consciousness and the supreme consciousness.

> 8. At this point discuss the role and the historical progression of
> the various deities, Shiva, Vishnu, Brahma, and Indra and possibly
> the philosophies associated with each. In the context of Shiva,
> don't forget to discuss the marriage of Shiva and Parvati and its
> implications, Ganesha and his implications. Some knowledge of
> Samkhya would be extremely helpful in that regard.

> 9. Try to correlate Christianity and Hinduism, consciousness being
> unique to Hinduism, the Old Testament's Genesis corresponding to
> Brahma's Hiranyagarbha, devotional path being similar to Christian notion
> of accepting Christ etc.
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