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> Is here the term "energy" used in symbolic only, or in some
> spiritual or material sense?
When tragedy strikes us, human beings tend to lose our mental
strength and look for outside help. Such loss of mental strength can
lead to depression and some may even attempt to commit suicide. Prayer is
a symbolic tonic for the depressed mind to gain strength and face the
reality. The spiritual "energy" is generated to the community
surrounding the family that faces the tragedy. The spiritual energy
generates an enormous amount of kindness, generosity and compassion in
the minds of the neighbors, friends and relatives. Suddenly the sleeping
casual neighbors, friends and relatives pour the family facing the
tragedy with kind words and deeds. Without the divine energy this is
impossible! Prayer gives the material strength because the most difficult
time of the period disappears quickly because mind gets occupied with the
prayer. A careful scrutiny of this discussion will indicate that the
"prayer" was the most appropriate ACTION under those circumstances.
Other explicit actions during tragedies could include setting up a
memorial fund such as "Cancer Research Fund" etc.
> People from every religion, cultures and traditions want to
> gain inner peace from God.........
>> True - I found it, too. Maybe not in every religion - seems
>> some demonic or similar religions prefer inner power...
You are right that cultures and traditions may try to gain inner
power from Demons. By definition, pure religion is a dialog between human
and God. Cults that encourage people to gain inner power do not fall in
the frame work of a religion. They are no different from a corporation
which promises to increase the wealth their members.
From God only inner peach can be gained! . Inner power and inner
peace are opposites. Those who have inner peace are free from any
desires and attain "Nirvana." The minds of people with inner power
always aspire for more inner power and there are no ends to their
desires. There will be no inner peace in a mind with full of desires!
> And what are Hindu views about asking God for what we can
> achieve ourselves - in order to get it by way He wants it
> to be achieved rather than by the way we would try it?
The scriptures strongly support the well-known quotation: "Man proposes
and God disposes." Some in every religion seems to believe that dedicated
and disciplined prayers can help them to get what they wish from God.
They appear to believe healing mental and physical wounds through
prayers. If they fail, they will claim that their prayers were not
sincere and if they succeed they attribute the recovery to their prayers.
Faith has more than enough power to wipe out intelligence!
> Oh, right - I would change the question to: have you noticed
> in the words any even smallest sign of his flaw, or just none?
> His reputation of course must be examined by many ways, and if
> any shows "wrong" it must be either explained and found to be
> error in method, or would invalidate him as guru. Seems there
> is something what invalidates him anyway - lack of perfect
> nonviolence - although it is much better than in people around.
> But it is still a thing for more careful examination.
> The question he was asked was: act against action of someone
> another, or pray only when the proper action seems to be one
> against the other's action. His answer was: act, not to pray.
Your questions give me the impression that you know the answer! One of
the key points of our discussion is about gaining inner peace. Now let
me ask you a simple question - Do you feel that you are at peace when you
visit and talk to your Guru? If the answer is yes then he is the right
Guru for you. The fact that you have raised his answer as an issue to me
implies that you do not agree with his answer!
The most important message of Bhagavad Gita is the assertion that
actions are inevitable and excuses are unforgivable. If prayer can give
the mental strength to fulfill our obligations then prayers turn into the
tool for the action. In this case, the invisible act of prayer generates
the energy to act! I don't know the context of his answer and I do not
want to judge him based on his one answer.
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