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Re: Ramakrishna & Vivekananda
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Subject: Re: Ramakrishna & Vivekananda
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From: manish@cadence.com (Manish Tandon)
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Date: Thu, 26 Jan 1995 18:18:52 GMT
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From news@cadence.com Thu Jan 26 13: 09:04 1995
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In article #2118, S2DARBHA@elecom2.watstar.uwaterloo.ca (Srikrishna Darbha) wrote:
|> May I invite you to (an English translation, of course, of) a song
|> by a great Indian saint, Mirabai:
sure
|> ----------------------------------------------------
|> "If abstinence from sex made one attain the Lord,
|> Then all eunuchs should have done so;
|> If abstinence from meat bestowed Bhakti,
|> Why, the deer, then, should be the greatest devotee;
|> ...
|> <few more similar analogies>
|> ...
|> Thus, Mirabai says, Only LOVE can affect the Lord."
|> ----------------------------------------------------
|>
|> The point is simple, and has been repeated hundreds of times
|> here already. However, let me repeat it yet again for the benifit
|> of some recalcitrant minds.
Agreed.
aradhito yadi haris, tapah tatha kim
naradhito yadi haris, tapah tatha kim
"If Hari is worshiped, what is the use of austerities (tapah).
If Hari is not worshiped, what is the use of austerities (tapah)."
The word 'tapa' actually has a very deep meaning,. It is not limited to
the process of sitting in an isolated place and performing austerities. It
includes all endeavors for advancement, both material and spiritual, since
they all require atleast some austeritiy.
|> There is a stage when sensual plesures are harmful. But there
|> is a stage FAR beyond it, when outward cleanliness becomes
|> immaterial due to the attainment of immense internal purity.
|> Needless to say, RK and V. fall into the latter category.
ouch! Please read the Mirabai's bhajan again, "Only LOVE can affect the
Lord" and note that Mirabai is talking specifically about love for Krishna.
A person who loves Lord Krishna is indeed out of these mundane bounds like
vegetarianism, etc. However, people like Vivekananda who, due to there extreme
ignorance, speak against Lord Krishna DO NOT qualify for such exemptions.
here is a statement by Vivekananda to show his stance on Gita and
consequently Lord Krishna:
"You will get closer to Heaven by your biceps than by the Gita."
- Vivekananda
FYKI, I (don't know about all ISKCON'ers) REJECT Vivekananda and RK because
they were ATHEISTS and not because they ate meat or whatever. I pick on his
meat eating and smoking only to show that he was a fallen person EVEN on
the material platform what to speak of the ahteistic views he propounded.
Please make a note of it.
Hari Bol!
Manish
