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Re: Ramakrishna & Vivekananda
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To: alt-hindu@cis.ohio-state.edu
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Subject: Re: Ramakrishna & Vivekananda
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From: vivek@cs.rice.edu (Vivek Sadananda Pai)
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Date: 26 Jan 1995 17:03:27 GMT
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Distribution: world
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From news@larry.rice.edu Thu Jan 26 11: 51:18 1995
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Newsgroups: alt.hindu
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Organization: Rice University, Houston, Texas
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References: <3g42o4$ke8@ucunix.san.uc.edu>
In article <3g42o4$ke8@ucunix.san.uc.edu>, S2DARBHA@elecom2.watstar.uwaterloo.ca (Srikrishna Darbha) writes:
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|> Another juicy fact for our Hare-Krishna friends: Adolf Hitler
|> was a vegetarian. Now, there's one worthy enough to join Hare-Krishna
|> ranks, isn't he??!! <Being sarcastic, of course, dear ISCKON brothers>.
Let me get this logic straight, then:
a) The Hare Krishnas are vegetarians
b) Adolf Hitler was a vegetarian
c) so, someone who wants to follow Adolf should join the HKs?
Go back to grade school.
Also, the "Hitler a vegetarian" fallacy was thoroughly discussed
on rec.food.veg not too long ago.
Here's a line along yours:
a) Adolf Hitler killed people (a type of animal)
b) Ramakrishna & Vivekananda ate dead animals
so, should we conclude that Hitler was a Ramakrishna follower?
|> If bigotry is still blocking the mental clarity of some, let
|> me elaborate again: Vegetarianism is good; but what good is it
|> if in spite of meticulous outward purity, you breed venom in
|> yourselves in the form of hate and anger (much like Hitler), which
Nobody's breeding hate towards meat-eaters. This would be sort of
hard to do, since most of us have to deal with meat-eaters all the
time. What is annoying are posts like yours that assume you know
far more about us than you actually could. Perhaps the Hitler is
within you? You're looking for an easy target, a scapegoat, and
you're trying to label it with qualities you dislike so you can
feel good when you attack it, just like Hitler did to the Jews.
However, in the end, you might find that your victory is quite hollow.
|> you spew abundantly onto this newsgroup? (I mean, people put up a
|> facade of devotion by chanting "Hari Bol!", but every "HariBol!" is
|> accompanied by 20 "go-to-hell!'s".)
|>
|> RK. and V. stressed internal transformation. They were not
|> small-minded men whose sole achievement in life was clobbering
I think you'll find that most of the people on "this side" of the
discussion don't consider alt.hindu a "sole achievement". We
promote vegetarianism both through word and action, but I'm assuming
you're not interested in hearing about feeding the poor, helping out
college students, etc. - that would make it hard for you to maintain
your bigotry.
|> another person's views on alt.hindu by spending 3 hours a day
|> typing up postings. Their style was to march into the avenue
|> of practice, by experiencing the scriptures before preaching them.
|> (Somewhat the opposite of today's norm).
Your norm, perhaps.
|> One last point: If there's a moderator to this group (as the
|> footer seems to imply), just who/where/how is he?? I mean, this
|> baseless talk on RK & V can go on and on without any consensus or
|> reconciliation. Doesn't anyone see the need to stop the mud-slinging,
Asking "Doesn't anyone see the need to stop the mud-slinging?" after
throwing quite a bit of it yourself is a bit hypocritical, don't you
think? So you want to call in the moderator to stop the "baseless" talk
about RK & V but you don't mind the really childish attacks (yours
particularly included) on ISKCON? Get real. What's your gauge for being
"baseless" - Vijay already posted a reference about the meat-eating, the
smoking part is well-known, and anybody who knows a little history should
be able to conclude that 100 years ago, non-meat food was definitely
available in the US. So what's baseless, or perhaps pointing out that
innocent animals were eaten in the guise of religion is a bad thing?
At the very least, if you're interested in patriotism and self-reliance,
you would try to get your countrymen to stop eating meat, since it is
very wasteful. Instead, poor starving people could be fed using the
same resources, rather than just letting the "better off" eat meat. So,
if you're interested in helping the poor and starving, you should be
telling your compatriots to ease back on wasteful consumption. Perhaps
this angle of the vegetarian message is more to your liking.
-Vivek
