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Re: SRH: Towards a peaceful compromise
A compromise is a needed.
But really does it need Ajay Shah's agreement.
Come on we are a part and parcel of this group - whether we contribute
to it or are just silent readers. The fact that the FOCUS IS ON AJAY
SHAH AND NOT ON THE READERS (WHO ARE A DAMN SIGHT MORE IMPORTANT THAN
THE FEW VOCIFEROUS PEOPLE AROUND) can lead to one conclusion only - that
this is in some way get the blasted guys for they tried to stop us. AJAY
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SHAH's non-support for SRV didnot stop its formation. Similarly
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AJAY SHAH's permission and agreement is of no consequence whatsoever to
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the reorg business.
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So can we exclude Ajay Shah from being the focus of the attention. SRH
is not his property nor is it mine nor is it any one person's
Vivek Sadananda Pai (vivek@cs.rice.edu) wrote:
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: The path to a compromise/improvement
: ------------------------------------
<...lines deleted...>
: However, the path to a compromise requires one essential element which
: has been missing so far: Ajay. So far, I have discussed finding some
: middle ground with Raj Bhatnagar, and some people have commented on
: Mani's proposal, but Ajay has not commented at all on the compromise
: plans.
Ajay Shah's name being taken up twice in the space of a few lines. Raj
Bhatnagar and Ajay Shah donot make SRH.
: Raj Bhatnagar even mentioned the possibility of Ajay naming some extra
: moderators, but when I asked him to have Ajay do that, there was no
: response from Ajay.
Again Ajay Shah.
If you have an axe to grind re:Ajay Shah plase do it in another context.
Reorg of SRH is much to important for this sort of business.
: I posted earlier an article where I describe a "back room" meeting
: with Vijay Pallod, a friend of Ajay's, to discuss the RFD. Mr. Pallod
: and Ajay have been in contact several times, according to Mr. Pallod,
: and I have repeatedly asked Mr. Pallod to convince Ajay to try to
: reach a compromise. However, the proponents have not heard from Ajay
: in this matter.
Again A. Shah and friends and "BACK ROOM" discussions.
This is really insulting. Why this back room discussions. SRH is not
anyones personal FIEFDOM. If people want personal fiefdoms let them
create one themselves.
: I am glad that Dhruba and Singam wish to discuss some sort of
: compromise agreement, but I'm afraid that one component is lacking,
: and without Ajay's involvement, it seems that this too is destined for
: failure. My discussions with Raj Bhatnagar seem to have amounted to
: nothing, and as a result, unless Ajay specifically appoints someone to
: talk on his behalf, or if he speaks out himself, it seems that any
: talk of a compromise is just that - talk only.
Why do you find it difficult? Or do you feel that if there is a vote and
you get carried through it would all have been a bit of waste of time
and that the lesson being taught to A.Shah (and others) to keep stum
would have been lost. The more I read about this the more I feel that
re-org discussion is a SHAM and that the improvement of SRH is not the
main aim.
: I believe that I speak for all the proponents when I say that we are
: ready to discuss alternative agreements, rather than going for a CFV.
: However, unless _both_ parties talk about a compromise, such
: discussion is futile.
Lets us have a CFV. This newgroup is not the property of any one
individual. If anyone thinks that this is the case they are surely
mistaken. Just as A.Shah's call for non-support of SRV amounted to
little, are people afraid of having a CFV.
THIS REALLY SMACKS OF MEET ME BEHIND THE BYCYCLE SHED TYPE OF THING.
A CALL FOR VOTE IS A MUST IS THIS CASE - OTHERWISE THIS WHOLE BUSINESS
WOULD BE A CONFIDENCE TRICK PLAYED ON THE PEOPLE - THOSE WHO CONTRIBUTE
TO SRH AND THOSE WHO READ IT.
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: This may help to explain why a compromise seems hard to reach - Ajay
: does not view the RFD as having any merit, or if he does, he has not
: shown it. I have thrice asked a set of specific questions to Ajay, and
: they were to determine what his views were about the RFD.
HIS VIEWS ARE NOT IMPORTANT. THE DISCUSSION HAS TAKEN PLACE AND LET
THERE BE A CFV. AND LET THE PEOPLE THAT MATTER DECIDE. SRH and other
newsgroups are not the platforms for egos.
: So far, others have answered the questions, but Ajay has been silent.
: These questions were posted repeatedly, and other people also
: suggested that they were reasonable questions, and it was only fair to
: ask that Ajay provide answers, but to this day, Ajay has not.
IN the space of four lines Ajay has been mentioned thrice and (twice in
one line).
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The deleted lines are pretty boring for they mention Ajay shah in
practically everyline. Let me repeat once again - Ajay Shah is not
important for the existence of SRH or any other newsgroup. He is
immaterial. He is one of the many. His arguments may carry weight and
may not carry weight. What matters is the majority. Have we lost sight
of basic democracy and have inbibed the old feudal trick of back room
deals (the "BACK ROOM" DISCUSSIONS do seem to be pointing in that
direction). This is normally, the back room stuff, done to teach a
blighter (ress) a lesson - sort of an ambush behind the bycycle shed.
: I believe that the either the RFD or Mani's compromise plan are good
: starting points for improving SRH. However, since I have not heard
: anything from Ajay about steps toward a compromise, I do not see any
: point in withdrawing the RFD. Surely there must be something good in
: the RFD, right? After all, people besides the RFD proponents and
: moderators have spoken out in support of the RFD, so there must be
: something they like in the RFD. I am flexible in this regard, so if
: there is something in the RFD or in Mani's plan which is objectionable
: to Ajay, I am willing to see it changed, but I'd like to see a good
: faith start to the discussions. For example, if Ajay were to say
: something like "I would agree to the compromise plan if such-and-such
: were modified", or something to that effect, then I would be happy to
: work with him.
A number of points. You have mentioned the "COMPROMISE PLAN". I have
read it in various posts, and agree with some and disagree with some.
This plan has been mentioned here - thats it. Nothing else is mentioned.
Perhaps all the good points being alluded to are in ether. But then Ajay
Shah's name is sprinkled all over.
Hey - there are other ways of getting rid of Ajay Shah. It could have
been done very easily by calling for a vote of no confidence on him. Or
by simply having a CFV - the whole thing could have been done and over
with in a few days. Unless ofcourse this is not what is wanted but the
motive is to teach people a lesson by making their lives a misery.
HEY - I HAVE LEARNT IT ALREADY. THIS WOULD BE MY LAST MESSAGE ON THIS
AND PERHAPS I MAY EVEN GIVE THE GROUPS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROPONENTS A
WIDE BERTH AND AVOID THEM - FOR LIFE CAN BE A REAL MISERY.
So what - I hear - this guy would not make on ebit of difference. I
agree with you wholeheartedly. I wish you would say the same for A.Shah,
M. Varadarajan, V.S.Pai, and all the others -
: The next step in the process is the CFV phase, and I
: would still be happy to see Ajay join the moderation team before the
: CFV is issued. As I've stated before, the offer is still open. I am
No - LET THERE BE A VOTE TAKEN FOR THE MODERATORS. THEN THE MODERATORS
ARE ELECTED BY POPULAR CHOICE AND WE WOULD HAVE TO WITNESS THE SCENES OF
THE PAST FEW WEEKS.
: I'm sure that you can voice your opinions appropriately. However, the
: decision to go forward with the compromise rests with Ajay at this
: point.
NO THE DECISION DOES NOT REST WITH A.SHAH YOU OR ME. IT RESTS WITH THE
PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THE NEWSGROUP.
LET THERE BE
(A) A CFV
(B) AN ELECTION OF MODERATORS
LET POPULIST DEMOCRACY REGIEN SUPREME - RATHER THAN HAVE "BACK ROOM"
DEALS THRUST DOWN UPON THE READERSHIP OF THIS NEWSGROUP.
-Chandrasekhar
: -Vivek
: Thu Jan 18 09:55:37 CST 1996
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