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Re: Advaita
santhosh@iss.nus.sg (Santhosh Kumar) writes:
>anand hudli (ahudli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu) wrote:
>:
>: Another observation is the way Shankara treats the reality
>: of the world vis-a-vis the reality of a dream. For him,
>: the world is ultimately unreal, but it is more
>: consistent than a dream which is pure imagination.
>: Thus the world is somehow "more" real than a dream.
>: Shankara is more of a "realist" than GauDapaada.
>Probably, you may elaborate on what is meant by "more real".
>A dream is always REAL in the domain of the dream, meaning
>while dreaming it is real for you, in the same way the world
[excellent writing snipped]
>limited sense, otherwise both are just illusions". I do not
>agree with the concept of "more real", you may elaborate it.
Me neither. Can the concept of more real be explained
in the words of Shankara ?
For example, if we look at bhaja govindaM.
kastvaM ko.ahaM kuta aayaataH
kaa me jananii ko me taataH .
iti paribhaavaya sarvamasaaram.h
vishvaM tyaktvaa svapna vichaaram.h .. 23..
Which is translated as :
Who are you ? Who am I ? From where do I come ? Who is my
mother, who is my father ? Ponder thus, look at everything as
essenceless and give up the world as an idle dream.
It looks to me as if Shankara here states that the
world is an idle dream. I may be wrong, i am not a sanskrit expert.
[snipped]
>Advaitins, mainly Adi Sankara, say that a Sadguna Brahman
>can lead the path to Nirguna Brahman.Probably, that is why
>Adi Sankara did not decry idol worship. I also heard views on
>the contrary, those following the path of Bhakthi considers
>Brahman as Sadguna Brahman, and for them it will remain to
>be Sadguna always, it never becomes Nirguna Brahman as it
>should be for an Advaitin. The example is that of juice and
Isn't the transition from Saguna Brahman to Nirguna Brahman
called krama-mukti {gradual liberation} while the direct attainment of
Nirguna brahman called sadya--mukti {immediate liberation} ?.
Hare Krsna
Giri
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