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Re: Arjuna
In an article about >Re: Arjuna< Dhruba Chakravarti
<dchakrav@netserv.unmc.edu> wrote:
>Dear Vivekji and Garyji:
Oeps, this is "Prewienji", but I just had to response :-)
>Thank you for your responses. I am truly fond of your charming defense
>of Arjuna. Both of you have insisted, Prewienji has asked, and Kartikji
>has speculated that Arjuna became an enlightened/Self-realized person.
>But is such a view supportable from the evidence in the SBG? I still feel
>that the answer is 'no'. I gave you initially an evidence from Arjuna's
>own words. Now I refer you to the very last upadesha that Sri Krishna
>gave him, the famous
funny, I don't still see why he should NOT be self-realized at some
moment..
>sarvadharmAn parityajya mAmekam sharanam braja
>aham tvam sarvapApebhyo mokshaishhyAmi mA shucha (in Chapter 18).
>The 'mA shucha' (do not worry) in this verse gives away what Sri Krishna
>thought of Arjuna's state of enlightenment, I do not think that He would
>have said 'mA shucha' to a Self-realized person, it would be redundant.
>I also refer you to chapters 12, where Sri Krishna was giving Arjuna
>easier and easier ways to worship Him, that too would not be necessary
>for a Self-realized or otherwise enlightened person.
Ok, I haven't actually read those chapters yet..but still I don't see
why Arjuna could NOT be self-realized, this doesn't have to have
happened when he was accompanied by Shri Krishna, after all, Krishna
told Arjuna the story (Bhagavata-Gita) because it was lost, and so, it
had to be learned again..."Don't worry" IMHO is something you say to
comfort someone with whom you have a meaningfull understanding, so even
though he was/was not Self-Realized, wouldn't YOU like to hear Shri
Krishna telling you NOT TO WORRY ? Even a self realized person would
love to hear that, I would say, altough it could be something he/she
already understands than, nevertheless it's slightly different when
GOD sais it to you, wouldn't you agree ?
as for easier and easier ways to worship...In the end, it is not
quite important how complicated you do your worshipping, it's the
thought behind it that counts, so Shri Krishna was, in a decent way,
making Arjuna understand that actually worshipping doesn't have to
be that complicated, actually if I remember correctly something like this
is said in the BG (sorry, can't find it that quick), but it is something
like: the way you worship is less important than the thought behind it,
or something in that direction...
Finally....What SHOULD Shri Krishna HAVE said then ? after all, suppose
Arjuna is Self-Realized..So ? then he "understands"..so whe shouldn't talk or
comfort such people, just because they are self-realized ?
hmmm...this reply has grown way beyond my intention, and I seem to have,
yet again, ended with a question...sorry!
Yours sincerely,
Prewien. [Prewienji ;-) ]
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