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Re: Lots of hogwash!NOT!!!!!!
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To: soc-religion-hindu@uunet.uu.net
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Subject: Re: Lots of hogwash!NOT!!!!!!
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From: nnyxsi@ny.ubs.com (Kunal Singh)
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Date: 08 May 1996 20:15:19 GMT
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In-Reply-To: shring@interlog.com's message of 8 May 96 01:40:50 GMT
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In article <ghenDr2Co3.MMK@netcom.com> shring@interlog.com (JBhardwaj) writes:
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However, at a none sensory level all that red and blue are, is
vibrations. All anything is, is a vibration. We experience certain
frequencies in different ways. Some are sounds others are colours and
yet others are touch etc.
The basis of experience in Hinduism is not vibrations but
consciousness. After all, how many vibrations are you ever conscious
of ? You can only experience those.
Hindu scriptures state that the most basic truth about the universe is
vibration. Everything is a vibration. The reality of the universe is
vibrational. Before anything else there was a vibration that was Om.
This is the most primordial and basic vibration.
I disagree. The Hindu scriptures do not state any such thing. The
Hindu scriptures clearly state that the universe is manifested as a
union of consciousness and prakrti. OM is not a vibration, it used to
signify Shiva, and consists of five components.
In case you want to adhere to this theory of yours of vibrations, tell
me this, what existence does this vibration have beyond your
perception. Is a vibration not simply a result of discriminating
changes in matter ? How can something thus COMPOSED or having
RESULTED, be the essence ?
In that light is it really possible to say that mantra's have no
power. They are the very foundation embodiments of power. When they
are chanted either vocally or in the thunderous silence of the
meditative mind they introduce vibrations into the field of reality.
They can have direct effects on the body, physiologically or
phycologically. But that is not all. Once introduced they effect
everything around us. They change the very state of the universe
around us.
Nonsense! The most desirable vibrations caused by the mantras should
be within one's mind. Never mind the physical universe. You can
chant till the cows come home, nothing "out of the ordinary" will
happen.
They create harmonics and literal music in the feild of the universe
around us. And they strenghten or propogate a beneficial energy
(vibration) that we are seeking. The gAyatri mantra is one such
vibration - it is one of the most beneficial. It is one of the most
primordial energies in the universe. And like all vibrations it is
attracted to and enhanced by itself. Thus chanting it can propogate
the enrgy to you or enhance that same energy by giving it more power.
However, just as some sound waves cancel or distort each other the
gAyatri mantra vibration my be destructive. It can cause distortion or
negation. Thus unless you are already in a certain harmony with it
chanting the mantra may in fact distort or negate your own reality.
This is just plain superstitious nonsense. Noone who does not
understand the meaning behind a mantra should chant them. There is no
point to it. No amount of amplification of the mantra will cause
beneficial effects, though it may indeed have detrimental effects on
the surroundings.
Imagine the power if everyone on earth chanted the gAyatri matra at
the same time. It would change the very nature of the planet and world
around us.
No, it would just drive all the birds crazy!
Mantra's work at both a so called real level and spiritual level.
Mantra's if they do not work within the man's buddhi do no work at all.
Once all illusions are stripped away all that is left is in fact
Mantra or vibration.
HA, HA, HA! This is hilarious. How is a vibration not an illusion ?
Does it not rely on the material for its existence ? Is it not
subject to perception ?
This concept is hard to visualize and thus understand, but it is true
nonetheless. You must stripe away your sensory perception of reality
and try to see it for what it really is (that is in fact the search
for truth).
And that is the main difficulty. That is why only Dandi Swami's,
ShankAchaariay's and Maharishi's etc. have really experience and
attain this true perception. To let go of our senses totally, to try
to experience the unverse with out our senses and brain is almost
impossible.
The latter is definitely not true and you know it, as you sense some
aspect of the universe daily. The question is not whether you
experience some aspect of the universe, but what is the essence of the
universe.
This is not attempting to negate the so called real world. Because the
real world is still there, but our perception of it is not real. It is
filtered and modified.
True.
Thus Mantra's do have power. They are far more real than this real
world. They function at a far more subtle and primordial level than
simple sensory perception. To truly understand them you must
understand a far more subtle reality.
I do not see how you have jumped to this conclusion. Please fill in
the gap. Why are mantra's the ultimate reality ?
Science, in fact, agrees with this view. As time passes Hinduism is
beginning to sound more and more like physics.
Yes, but some of it is definitely due to some people's deliberate
efforts to make it "sound more and more like physics."
I suggest you try some meditation techniques. There are many TM
centre's that teach meditation techniques in line with Hindu methods
and there a many many books available that are very good. However, the
best method of all is to find a guru willing to impart this knowledge
on to you. It is far more personal and an excellent experience.
No thanks. The last thing one needs is a half-baked guru in the
meditation business.