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Re: ARTICLE : Who decided that all vaishnavs are not hindus
In article <ghenDv34F8.GnJ@netcom.com>,
Roy Raja <rajaroy@ecf.toronto.edu> wrote:
> Are you implying that vaishnavs are not hindus at all? We can discuss
> that, but what is your logic in claiming that some vaishnavs are hindus,
> and some are not. Logically, either all vaishnavs are hindus, or none
> of vaishnavs are hindus. Can you tell what is your view before we
> proceed?
How does it follow logically that either all Vaishnavas are Hindus, or
else none are? What is the inference rule used here, and what is the
basis for it? Does it similarly follow that all Vaishnavas are
left-handers, or else none are?
>>Why should you put Visnu under the category of 'hindu deity' or 'non-hindu
>>deity'?
>
> For the simple reason that nobody other than a Hindu will accept Visnu
> as Godhead.
So are you saying that Vishnu is *defined* by human acceptance? If
yes, then He can hardly be the "Godhead" and isn't worth the bother.
If no, then it does not matter who accepts him and who does not.
Either Vishnu's Supremacy is an absolute fact, or else it is not.
Besides, suppose there are Hindus who accept Allah or Christ as
Godhead (as indeed there are) -- would you, by the same argument,
consider those to be Hindu deities?
>>Isn't it said in Bhagavatam that Visnu is Adhoksadja or transcendental to
>>all this social and historical definitions?
>
> So say all other religions about their Gods, but I don't accept their
> claims. The discussion is not about Gods, but about the mortals. The
> question is whether vaishnavs are Hindu or not. I have not seen any
> evidence that proves that there could be vaishnavs who are not hindu.
Such evidence can only be obtained if the meaning of `Hindu' is known
-- but you do not define the term, and insist on proceeding based
solely upon vague intuitions and unspecific dogmas; under the
circumstances, no proof could possibly be made.
Regards,
Shrisha Rao
> Raja
>>
>>Hope this find you well.
>>
>>Chaitanya Chandrodaya Das
