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I seem to remember replying to someone called gateavisa (sp?). Anyway,
> > Really! First you say you are looking for material connecting shaivism
> > to ganja and what not and now you claim to know some ancient myths
> > connecting shiva to ganja. Make up your mind.
>
> Make up my mind about what? Even if I know myths picturing Shiva as Lord
> of Charas, good and stoned, I guess I`m allowed to search for more
> information on the phenomenon. Or is the idea about religious use of
Make up your mind about the "myths" about shiva and ganja obviously. The
original question asked "How come sadhus are shown with ganja in
photographs, but no connection between shaivism and ganja is found in
any of the texts?". Then when I replied that shaivism is based on the
Agama-s which do not allow ganja etc you (or gateavisa) claimed that you
were in possession of hoary myths connecting ganja and shiva. So make up
your mind about about what you know and what you don't.
> cannabis inside contemporary hinduism so insulting to you that you have
> to go hunting for every sign of inconsistency in my text instead of
> discussing the topic?
The answer is: jobless people do what they want and claim a connection
to some god or the other. This is quite common in India. There is
_nothing_ which connects drugs with shiva in the purANa-s or the Agama-s
(AFAIK). If you know any purANa or Agama (any of the 36 Agama-s or the
6-8 shaiva purANa-s) which talk about this, I'd be happy to learn. Some
fairy tale you heard from some guy on the street does not count as
evidence.
> upaya, still many sadhus do smoke. But not only Shaivas smoke. Tantric
> sects like Aghora and the Nats do use these substances as a part of
> their religious practice. I don`t understand why this is so offensive to
> you. Cannabis is a plant which are growing wild in the lower Himalayas.
> People have known the plant for thousands of years. It`s only natural
> that different plants with different effects enter into the lives of
> people, in their religion and in other parts of the culture.
?!! Snake poison is also found in nature. So, what's your point?
> > Drugs are a phenomenon in any reasonably advanced society. That doesn't
> > make it a part of religion. Just because some jobless sadhus smoke ganja
> > and recite the name of shiva or whoever before they do it, doesn't make
> > it a part of shaivism or whoever'ism.
>
> Really? Doesn`t drugs enter the society and take a place in their
> religion? What about Soma? The vedic religion definitely had its use of
> a hallucinogen. Over the whole clode people are using drugs in their
FYI, no one knows the composition of soma. The effects of soma are
interpreted only in a mystical sense and not in a physical sense.
> religion. And the jobless sadhus which are smoking ganja are just
> unemployed freaks, I guess. Not real seekers like the jobless
> non-smoking sadhus.
Of course, they are unemployed freaks who are just using shiva (or
whatever god) as an excuse to smoke pot. That is so obvious. Real sadhus
and seekers follow the path of dharma. They may be unemployed, but do a
service to society by their mere presence, unlike pot-smoking, jobless,
so-called sadhus.
Ramakrishnan.
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