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Eternal Individual Existence Is A Fact



from Bhagavad-Gita AS IT IS:
(Copyright Bhaktivedanta Book Trust, Used with Permission)

				TEXT 12

                            na tv evaham jatu nasam
                            na tvam neme janadhipah
                            na caiva na bhavisyamah
                            sarve vayam atah param

				WORD FOR WORD 

na--never; tu--but; eva--certainly; aham--I; jatu--at any time; na--did not; 
asam--exist; na--not; tvam--you; na--not; ime--all these; jana-adhipah--kings; 
na--never; ca--also; eva--certainly; na--not; bhavisyamah--shall exist; sarve 
vayam--all of us; atah param--hereafter.

                              TRANSLATION

Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor 
in the future shall any of us cease to be.

				PURPORT

In the Vedas, in the Katha Upanisad as well as in the Svetasvatara Upanisad, 
it is said that the Supreme Personality of Godhead is the maintainer of 
innumerable living entities, in terms of their different situations according 
to individual work and reaction of work. That Supreme Personality of
Godhead is also, by His plenary portions, alive in the heart of every living 
entity. Only saintly persons who can see, within and without, the same Supreme 
Lord can actually attain to perfect and eternal peace.

                       nityo nityanam cetanas cetananam
                        eko bahunam yo vidadhati kaman
                      tam atma-stham ye 'nupasyanti dhiras
                         tesam santih sasvati netaresam
                           (Katha Upanisad 2.2.13)

The same Vedic truth given to Arjuna is given to all persons in the world who 
pose themselves as very learned but factually have but a poor fund of 
knowledge. The Lord says clearly that He Himself, Arjuna and all the kings who 
are assembled on the battlefield are eternally individual beings and that the 
Lord is eternally the maintainer of the individual living entities both in 
their conditioned and in their liberated situations. The Supreme Personality 
of Godhead is the supreme individual person, and Arjuna, the Lord's eternal 
associate, and all the kings assembled there are individual eternal persons. 
It is not that they did not exist as individuals in the past, and it is not 
that they will not remain eternal persons. Their individuality existed in the 
past, and their individuality will continue in the future without 
interruption. Therefore, there is no cause for lamentation for anyone.

The Mayavadi theory that after liberation the individual soul, separated by 
the covering of maya, or illusion, will merge into the impersonal Brahman and 
lose its individual existence is not supported herein by Lord Krsna, the 
supreme authority. Nor is the theory that we only think of individuality in
the conditioned state supported herein. Krsna clearly says herein that in the 
future also the individuality of the Lord and others, as it is confirmed in 
the Upanisads, will continue eternally. This statement of Krsna's is 
authoritative because Krsna cannot be subject to illusion. If individuality 
were not a fact, then Krsna would not have stressed it so much--even for the 
future.

The Mayavadi may argue that the individuality spoken of by Krsna is not 
spiritual, but material. Even accepting the argument that the individuality is 
material, then how can one distinguish Krsna's individuality? Krsna affirms 
His individuality in the past and confirms His individuality in the future
also. He has confirmed His individuality in many ways, and impersonal Brahman 
has been declared to be subordinate to Him. Krsna has maintained spiritual 
individuality all along; if He is accepted as an ordinary conditioned soul in 
individual consciousness, then His Bhagavad-gita has no value as authoritative 
scripture. A common man with all the four defects of human frailty is unable 
to teach that which is worth hearing. The Gita is above such literature. No 
mundane book compares with the Bhagavad-gita. When one accepts Krsna as an 
ordinary man, the Gita loses all importance.

The Mayavadi argues that the plurality mentioned in this verse is conventional 
and that it refers to the body. But previous to this verse such a bodily 
conception is already condemned. After condemning the bodily conception of the 
living entities, how was it possible for Krsna to place a conventional 
proposition on the body again? Therefore, individuality is maintained on 
spiritual grounds and is thus confirmed by great acaryas like Sri Ramanuja and 
others. It is clearly mentioned in many places in the Gita that this spiritual 
individuality is understood by those who are devotees of the Lord. Those who 
are envious of Krsna as the Supreme Personality of Godhead have no bona fide 
access to the great literature. The nondevotee's approach to the teachings of 
the Gita is something like that of a bee licking on a bottle of honey. One 
cannot have a taste of honey unless one opens the bottle. Similarly, the 
mysticism of the Bhagavad-gita can be understood only by devotees, and no one 
else can taste it, as it is stated in the Fourth Chapter of the book. Nor
can the Gita be touched by persons who envy the very existence of the Lord. 
Therefore, the Mayavadi explanation of the Gita is a most misleading 
presentation of the whole truth. Lord Caitanya has forbidden us to read 
commentations made by the Mayavadis and warns that one who takes to such an 
understanding of the Mayavadi philosophy loses all power to understand the
real mystery of the Gita. If individuality refers to the empirical universe, 
then there is no need of teaching by the Lord. The plurality of the individual 
soul and of the Lord is an eternal fact, and it is confirmed by the Vedas as 
above mentioned.


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