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Re: Peaceful compromise on the Horizon (round and round)

GOPAL  Ganapathiraju Sree Ramana (gopal@ecf.toronto.edu) wrote:

: [i strongly decided to desist from participating on the thread,
: but it has become an addiction for me!]


: This debate will never end, and *no* useful purpose will be served
: if we go on conceding the points after a long debate and fruitful
: discussion, *only* to claim later *again* that we never conceded,
: and continue our  arguments ab-initio.

I have also said in SEVERAL posts of mine, (being a net-illiterate
I cannot reproduce them), that the much advocated dis-association 
of religion and politics is NOT feasible. And as far as I recollect,
I had said pretty much the same in the article, which Gopal has
re-produced below in parts.  

The demarcation line, (between politics and religion and esp. Dharma)
at the best, is a VERY fuzzy one. So, it would not be proper to
advocate the divorce of religion and politics. 

For example, the Gita as told by Krsna has BIG political 
implications. That does not change, whether you like the
msg. of Gita or not. Similarly, the Artha-Shaastra of Kautilya
has a lot of politics, and a lot of religion. The two get
intermingled, almost, always. So, if you start banning 
politics from religion groups (which does not happen in
religion groups like, s.r.islam, s.r.sikhism, s.r.christ*)
you would be just indulging in debates, which at the
best will be academic, and useless at the worst.

For instance, howsoever good your spiritual thoughts may
be, to ensure that these noble ideals can be practiced 
in reality, you need to have a social and political 
structure, which is conducive to the growth of your
lofty ideals. Otherwise, the ideals will just that:
ideals.

However, I do not see why I shud oppose a talk group,
but the fact that I advocate its creation DOES NOT
imply that I also advocate a version of s.r.h which
rejects articles on the basis that they are a mix
of religion and politics.

So here is where I stand:

* have a talk group.

* also, permit articles, which have anything to do with
  hinduism (whether or not they have political implications) 
  in the s.r.hindu ng.

: =============================================================


: In article <4e15jv$lj9@babbage.ece.uc.edu>,
: N. Tiwari <ntiwari@rs3.esm.vt.edu> wrote:
: >GOPAL  Ganapathiraju Sree Ramana (gopal@ecf.toronto.edu) wrote:

: >: (3) N Tiwari has supported the concept of talk.religion.hindu
: >: unmoderated for posts such as muslim demolition of temples,
: >: india-pakistan tensions etc. i dont remember to have seen
: >: serious objections to this proposal, from others either.
: >
: >No I did not. 
: [.....]


: you did. actually you said even more. you said  you will support 
: not only with a vote but with your *writing* skills too.  
: see below. 


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: Re: Why we need the SRH reorganization
:   From: ntiwari@rs3.esm.vt.edu (N. Tiwari)
:   Date: 1995/12/20
:    MessageID: 4b99vm$mqc@solaris.cc.vt.edu
: newsgroups: news.groups

: Mani Varadarajan (mani@srirangam.esd.sgi.com) wrote:

: :    4. There is a definite need for a newsgroup where topics of
: :       interest to devout Hindus and Indologists can be discussed
: :       in a non-inflammatory manner.  Currently, the charter of
: :       soc.religion.hindu discourages such dialogue from taking place.

: :       The correct place for inflammatory discussions of
: :       Hindu holocausts, Muslim destruction of ancient temples, etc.,
: :       is in an unmoderated talk.religion.* group, where opposing
: :       viewpoints can be freely aired.  Topics related to Hindu dharma,
: :       God, shaastra, and Hindu literature should be discussed in a
: :       non-inflammatory forum such as the proposed
: :       soc.religion.hinduism.moderated newsgroup.

:         So, just create a talk.religion.* ng. That solves the purpose.
:         I will support it. With my vote and with my writing skills,
:         whatever little I have.

: Nachiketa Tiwari

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