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Re: ARTICLE : Who decided that all vaishnavs are not hindus?
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Subject: Re: ARTICLE : Who decided that all vaishnavs are not hindus?
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From: rajaroy@ecf.toronto.edu (Roy Raja)
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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 17:29:28 -0400
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In article <ghenDvCC1H.HyG@netcom.com>,
Rabeh Younes <cz186@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote:
>I am a moslem born vaisnava who worship Visnu as the Supreme Personality
>of Godhead. I am certainly not a hindu. Vaisnavas worship one God, but
>nowadays most hindus worship many gods. a hindu might worship Lord Siva or
>Goddess Kali or cosider all gods are inferior to the formless Brahman.
You may believe that you are not a Hindu, but in fact you are. Anyone
who worships Visnu is a Hindu. Pick up any book on Hinduism, and it will
tell you that Vaishnav, Shakt, Shaiv etc. are different sects of Hindus.
Hindus are free to worship anyway they want, so just because some hindus
worship one God and some another does not mean that Vaishnavs can't be
Hindu.
>So technically the very word hindu is a persian invention . Hindus are
The word Hindu may be Persian, but it does not mean that Hindus had no
sense of who they were. By what we mean by Hinduism , had a word for
it in India for thousand of years : Sanatan Dharma. Vaishnavs are also
following Sanatan dharma so are other hindus.
>followers of varnasram, which is a gradual process of elevating civilized
>human beings to the level of satva guna. yet vaisnavism is beyond the
>three gunas. It is as Srila Prabhupad said on the pure satva. So vaisnavas
>are not to be labelled as a designation under tri guna. Pure vaisnavism is
>transcendental.
Not all hindus follow varnasram.
> even mixed vaisnavas who perform bhakti under the three
>modes of material nature are more elevated than non vaisnavas.
>So vasnavism in that sense transcends hinduism . Hindus are born hindus
>yet anybody can become vaisnavn transending the bodily designation.
Not all hindus are born hindus. You can become a hindu, and hare krishna
vaishnavs are only one of them.
>Namacharya Haridas Thakur was a moslem vaisnava and not a hindu. He didn't
>even enter the temple of Lord Jaganath.
You do not need to enter the temple of Lord Jaganath to be a hindu. You
are thinking you are not a Hindu because you do not understand what Hinduism
encompasses.
Raja
